1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: What you're listening to today is the latest episode of 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: the show. I want to share something special with you. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm excited to tell you about. The new season of 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Stuff of Legends is back. Back in twenty twenty one, 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: I released a new podcast called The Stuff of Legends, 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: and it's a very simple idea. I chat to people, 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: and this is a storytelling show. You know, we share 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: our stories to get your stories, and so I wanted 9 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: to do something where it wasn't just another guy interviewing 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: comedians and famous people. Wanted it to be where we 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: were going to get stories out of these comedians and 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: interesting people. And so Stuff of Legends is a very 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: simple idea. Each guest just tells me about the three objects, 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: the three things in their life that really mean something 15 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: to them. And it's not about how much they're worth. 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: It's nothing to do with that. So the first season, 17 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: which has came out two years ago, I had some 18 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: brilliant people, Ricky Gervais, Russell Brand, Matthew McConaughey, Hamish Blake. 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: It is back and we've got some great ones lined up. 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: Kicking off with Hollywood star Jamila Jamil. I love to 21 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: chat with her. It's quite a different kind of chat, 22 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: but really really jaw dropping. I would say, actually, some 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: of the stuff we got into the great thing about 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: when you ask people about the things in their life, 25 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: they start to share these stories that they haven't normally 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: shared before. Because you know what it's like if you're 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: flicking up and down the radio dial. Here the people 28 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: being interviewed sharing the same stories. There's none of that anyway. 29 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: First episode is out now wherever you get your podcasts. 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: Jamila Jamil you might have seen her in The Brilliant 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: Good Place or she Hulk. He has an incredible energy 32 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: and lust for life, a man alive. One of the 33 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: stories that she wasn't even going to tell us at 34 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: the beginning is unbelievable. I hope you enjoy It's got 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: the stuff of legends out now on the iHeart app 36 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Sometimes the amount of 37 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: stuff we own can film overwhelming. I'm always being told 38 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: to declutter to marry Condo, it bits and Beats's parlor, 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: And the next time we know, everything is just full 40 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: of junk everywhere. Jewels won't close, sometimes you can't even 41 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: open them. Our garages are for the things we swear 42 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: we needed, but we're never going to get around to using. 43 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: But I believe that our belongings, the things we have 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: sometimes they tell the stories of who we are, where 45 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: we come from, and where we're going. I'm Christian O'Connell, 46 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: and this is the stuff of legends. It's a very 47 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: simple idea. I ask interesting people to tell us a 48 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: story of the three most treasured items, three things that 49 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: might tell us the story of who they are. So 50 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: many times we've been doing this show, I find that 51 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: guests that I'm in front of actually surprise themselves with 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: how much that object actually meant them because they've never 53 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: really shared it out loud. They're kind of like sharing 54 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: a secret out loud with us, and you and I 55 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: we just get to sit back and hear it. Maybe 56 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: it makes you think about some of the items in 57 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: your life. Let's get into today's guest. I'm in awe 58 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: of her. You might want to play to Harni on 59 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: Netflix is Awesome, The Good Place, or seen her as 60 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: a Marvel villim Titania in Shee Hulk. 61 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Jamila Jamil. 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: A fierce activist. In twenty eighteen, launched eyeweight, a radically 63 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: inclusive online platform. There's also now a brilliant podcast that 64 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: I love, well worth checking out. There's some really funny 65 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: chats on there. I want to add in a content 66 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: warning here we do start to talk about suicide and 67 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: self harm. Now, if that is too much for you today, 68 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: I completely understand that maybe today's show isn't for you, Jamida. 69 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: In this though is always open and honest and insightful, 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: and today is no different. This is a great conversation. 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it all right, Jamda. So are 72 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: you somebody that does collect quite a few things over 73 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: the years. Are you a hoarder? Or was this quite 74 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: difficult to find the objects? 75 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: It was actually very difficult to find the objects because 76 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm not a sentimental person at all, and so you know, 77 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: I don't really have fears of anything burning down in 78 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: a fire. Like I'm just it's not attached to any things, 79 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: not anythings, but like I'm not attached to many things. 80 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: So it's a fucking nightmare to buy me presents. You know, 81 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: I've been with my boyfriend for eight years and he 82 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: knows he's had to come to accept at this point. 83 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: I just want meals, like I really like that. That 84 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: is the only thing that moves me. Food is love. 85 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: It's very South Asian of me. 86 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's what you're giving some one then if 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: you're going out for food, because some of your best 88 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: conversations in life are over a meal, aren't they. And 89 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: it isn't just about the quality of food. It's about 90 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: so much more than that. You're giving them an amazing 91 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: experience when you go out and have a really great 92 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: meal with good company. 93 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, exactly. I think I live from experience to experience. 94 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: So I'm very kind of focused on what if I 95 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: know this sounds really dark, but what if I die today? 96 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: And so that gives me this kind of drive to 97 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: do exactly what I want every single day and to 98 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: make the most of every conversation, every meal. It's made 99 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 2: me quite a cutthroat person. 100 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: I don't think about what. 101 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: I wear, because you know your ghost is going to 102 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: be wearing whatever you've died in forever, in perpetuity. So 103 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: I'm very thoughtful about that. If I haunt people, I 104 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: want to look chic. It's dark inside this head. 105 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: No no, no, it's not all I You're right, there's 106 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: not enough consideration about the afterlife and outfit options are there. 107 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: You know, we don't. No one ever talks about that 108 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: side of it. You know, you don't want to be 109 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: shabbily dressed for the afterlife or a possible haunting. You 110 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: want to be an outfit that actually you're very happy with. 111 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: And actually I don't think there's anything wrong with her 112 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: on actually just crystallizing that time is precious and why 113 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: waste it? And I always think, if I'm lucky enough 114 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: to be on my deathbed and saying goodbye to all 115 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: the people I love, and you've got like that highlight 116 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: reel of your life, it is going to be the scenes, 117 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: those experiences, those meals. It isn't going to be the things, really, 118 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: is it. 119 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: No? No, definitely not, definitely not. The most clutter I 120 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: have in my house is takeaway boxes. 121 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: All right, So is this mainly going to be three 122 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: different takeaway boxes? 123 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: Oh? No, it isn't. 124 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: All right, let's find out what was the first item 125 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: you chosen to share with us today? 126 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: Speaking of things that I would be worried about in 127 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: a fire, the only thing I care about is making 128 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: sure that I can protect my dog, get my dog 129 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: out of them. My dog is like my most prize. 130 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: It feels a little bit weird to call a living 131 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: being a possession, but he is mine. He has got 132 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: my surname, and so I think I think my dog 133 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: might be my most prized thing, the thing that I 134 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: care about the most, the thing that I would do 135 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: anything to preserve. 136 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: All right, So is this one of the one of 137 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: the things. Then is this the first one? Shall we say? 138 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: Is it your dog? 139 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: I think it is my dog? 140 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: You know, well it sounds like it is. Tell me 141 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: about your dog then, so what breed have you got? 142 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: He's a poodle spaniel mutt type. He's extremely cute, like 143 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: oddly like, sort of Kate Moss level. Photogenic, is devastating. 144 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: He eats me up in every photograph. You know, you 145 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: can't be photographed with this dog. Just went back to 146 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: London and I used to be relatively well known in 147 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: London because I had a big career there for eight years. 148 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: And no one recognizes me anymore. But everyone wants to 149 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: stop the dog. It's like going out with Billy fucking Eyelish. 150 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: It's mad. 151 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: And you're clipsed by the dog. 152 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And he was given to me as a 153 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: present to try to make. 154 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: Me feel but that feels like some sort of intervention. 155 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: What do you mean to make. 156 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: I'm quite a pragmatic, detached person. I'm sure I'm coming 157 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: across as incredibly charming right now, but I can be 158 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 2: I can be quite a detached person. And I don't 159 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: like and I'm not sentimental, and this is kind of 160 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: this is demonstrated by how hard it was when I 161 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: was asked for these three things to come up with, 162 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: because I don't feel these attachments, and so I think 163 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: it was it was probably a test by my boyfriend 164 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: to find out if I'm actually a sociopath, Like if 165 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: I actually feel something for an adorable creature. And I'm 166 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: completely in love with the dog, and the dog has 167 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: softened me up as a person so much, kind of 168 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: opened up this sort of maternal side to me that 169 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: has also ensured that I will never have children. Like 170 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: that's it. If the hope of everyone was to get 171 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: me to feel maternal and then want a baby, that 172 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: has backfired immensely, and he's filled the void. 173 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: So what is the dogs? And he said he's got 174 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: your surname? Is that his actual name? 175 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: His first name is stupid? No, that's not his actual name. 176 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: His first name is Barold, which is like Harold would 177 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: bee because a friend of mine is so overly posh 178 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: that when I said I wanted to call him Barry, 179 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: with Barry being my favorite name in. 180 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: The world's the greatest name, she was like, oh. 181 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: Is that short for Barreld? Because of Harry and Harold, 182 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: this is an infinitely stupid name known with this And 183 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: so now now I have this dog that sounds like 184 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: a dusty old professor and he's fantastic. 185 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: He sounds like a Harry Potter sort of character, doesn't 186 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: he Barald Professor Barred? 187 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he is, and he's you know, he's gay. 188 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 2: He's in a relationship with her, and he's got a 189 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: sort of sexy bisexual French boyfriend, a French bulldog called Bo. 190 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: He's living the West Hollywood high life in Los Angeles. 191 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: Bo and Barreled feels like a movie that needs to 192 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: be made by jud Appatoo. 193 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: I know, no, he's he's really great, and he's just 194 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: he means more to me than I ever knew an 195 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: animal could. I've never been a big animal person, and 196 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: now that's it. I'm just a melted pot of good. 197 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they give you this amazing unconditional love They 198 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: require next to nothing from you. They just transmit love, 199 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: don't they. 200 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 2: It's like getting a standing ovation every time you walk 201 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: in the room. They have to have a distorted sense 202 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: of time. It's very rare that a human will as 203 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: soon as they see you start screaming and piss themselves 204 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: and then just all over you. Look you on your face. 205 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: And that's probably a good thing. 206 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: This is an elderly confused. 207 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: It's something that I expect. 208 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Yes, And so where does Barald sleep? Has he got 209 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: his own bed? Or was he on the bed in 210 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: the bed with you? 211 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no, no, no no no, that would 212 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: be the death of the sex life. 213 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: Yes. 214 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: So he's in a little cute den that he's got 215 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: that he stays in until the morning. 216 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: And has he got treats, the collar, everything. 217 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: Oh he's got all the shit? Yeah yeah, Oh, I 218 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: poured all of my life. I'm probably one of those 219 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: truly unhinged people who treats their dog like their child, 220 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: the worst kind of people, the people that I swore 221 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: I would never become. I'm fully there. He's got all 222 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: the newest toys. I spent hours browsing for things to 223 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: bring him toy and they don't mean anything to him. 224 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: He's got no frontal lobe. He doesn't give a shit. 225 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: No, they don't. 226 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 2: They but it makes me happy. It's a bit sad, but. 227 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: Now it's not. I've got two dogs and they are 228 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: they're just such great company because they don't require anything 229 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: from you other than just can you just be around 230 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: can you just be around me? That's it. 231 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: They're so much better than people, aren't they. 232 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but yes, sometimes words and 233 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: that get in the way. You just intimacity's silence. 234 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: The frontal lobe was the worst thing about to society. 235 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: Your boy boyfriend, I'm thinking you must be looking at 236 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: going if only you would have a frontal lobotomy and 237 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: this relationship would be amazing. 238 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: Oh god, it was great. It's like it was just 239 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: the most brilliant gesture from him. Although you know, it 240 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: came point where I became, you know, a little bit 241 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: too fixated with the dog. I forgot about him for 242 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: a little while. But no, he's he's great. We love 243 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: we love this this little rotter. 244 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: All right, So we got barrels, Yeah, we got back. Okay, 245 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: what is your next item? 246 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: The dog that taught me how to feel my next 247 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: item is and this is terribly boogie of me. It's 248 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: going to sound boogie, but it's not. It's a bit dark. 249 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: Can I go darker? 250 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: You as dark as you want? 251 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: Okay? 252 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: There is no duartness on this show. There's any light. 253 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: Okay. So I tried to take my own life when 254 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: I was twenty six years old, and I did it 255 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: in this kind of very It wasn't the first time 256 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: I tried, but this time I was sure it was 257 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: going to be it. I was like, right, I'm going 258 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: to do everything I've wanted to do, just kind of 259 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: just like sort of silly, frivolous things. I'm going to 260 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: spend all of my life savings on this kind of 261 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: final week of my life. Just do everything I want 262 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: to do. I did this, I lived it up, and 263 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 2: yet still was very dedicated to ending it at the 264 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: end of that week because I just was living a 265 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: life that I was completely unable to survive. At the 266 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: time I attempted to take my life and had this 267 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: word with myself in which I thought, Okay, well, this 268 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: is twice now that I've tried. Perhaps I'm supposed to 269 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: stick around, and so if I am going to stay here, 270 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to do everything in my human power to 271 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: change every single aspect of my life that has gotten 272 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: me to this low point. I'm going to use myself 273 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: as a full crash test dummy to try anything and 274 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: everything for as long as it takes, however selfish it is, 275 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: however chaotic it is, I'm going to save my own life. 276 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: And so I went and I bought myself this tiny 277 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: Tiffany's diamond necklace as a little reminder to myself that 278 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: I wore have one every day for about seven years, 279 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: to remind myself of this honor that I have to 280 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: myself to save my life. I think a lot of 281 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: us don't realize that we have more agency, especially those 282 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: of us with children. I think it gets harder when 283 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: you have people who depend on it. But there is 284 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 2: more agency than you think. And a lot of us 285 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: over extend ourselves for our families, or for loved ones, 286 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: or for bosses. We allow these figures in our life 287 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: to dictate the decisions that we make, and I think 288 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: that can be incredibly and very literally dangerous. And I 289 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: had been pushed to a point where I didn't want 290 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: to be here anymore, and I had all the things 291 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: that you're supposed to want. I had the money, I 292 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: had the fame, I had the you know, the praise 293 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: of everyone around me. I was sort of like this 294 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: like DJ, this model, this it girl, and yet the 295 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: people around me were destroying my life. 296 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: Was it like you, you felt like you were giving 297 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: too much of yourself away, and what you did, or 298 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: what you learned, was to call yourself back, almost bring 299 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: yourself back to you, your own sovereignty, your power. 300 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Yeah, I was just being taken advantage 301 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: of and emotionally abused in a way that just felt 302 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: like like nothing can fix this, nothing is worth sticking 303 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: around in this, and I felt like I had no 304 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: way out. And so often we actually do have a 305 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: way out, we're just afraid of being self serving enough 306 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: to take that selfish step. And I think selfishness has 307 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: got a really bad reputation. I highly advocate for some selfishness, 308 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: some levels of like manageable selfishness, manageable self servingness. And 309 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: so this diamond necklace was this kind of pledge to 310 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: myself of like it's a new day, and so I 311 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: treated myself as if I was almost newly born. And 312 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: it's been a kind of experiment to do whatever I 313 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: want in order to save my life. So I've stopped 314 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: holding anything in. I get literally everything on my chest 315 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: to mixed results on Twitter. I've learned the power of 316 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: the word no. I have invested in the things that 317 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: bring me joy. I've cut off, whether it be family members, 318 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: loved ones, friends, cut off anyone who oversteps my boundaries 319 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: and causes me pain and isn't willing to change. And 320 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: I think that low point was one of the best 321 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: things that ever happened to me. 322 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: Wow, what a beautiful thing to say. You literally brought 323 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: yourself back from the dead. 324 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: I did. I did, And this, this tenure experiment seems 325 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: to have worked, because I'm still here, and I'm actually 326 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: the happiest I've ever been. I'd never been happy before. 327 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: You know, I had an incredibly tough childhood, incredibly abusive childhood. 328 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: Grew up caring for so many like deeply, deeply mentally 329 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: ill people. I wish it can't have been easy for 330 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: them either, But it's extraordinary to know. And I'm so 331 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: glad I hung on, and I urge anyone else to 332 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: hang on. Shit can't get worse than this. You have 333 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: nothing to lose. Throw everything at saving your own life. 334 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: I beg of you because it can get better, and 335 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: my life has. I'm finally happy. One funny thing about that, though, 336 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: is that because I thought I was going to die, 337 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: I did burn through all of my money, including that 338 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: fucking diamond necklace to say, so that was the only 339 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: flip side of that, you know, I really I spent 340 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: it like I wasn't taking it with me and I 341 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: didn't pass it on to so I really fucked myself there. 342 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: To be honest, listen, I just have to bow down 343 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: and respect your story of redemption. It's like your own resurrection. 344 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: There's something incredibly You're right. A very close friend of 345 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: mine took his life a couple of years ago, and 346 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: we we thank you. We were devastated. But I always 347 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: think that he just wanted the pain in that moment 348 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: everything because he couldn't simplify it all. Everything was too much, 349 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: was unbearable, and I think he'd lost himself. He didn't 350 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: know where he'd begun, and the end he sort of dissolved. 351 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: He can't work out how to get himself through it. 352 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: I think he wanted to end it in that moment. 353 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he wanted to end his life. But 354 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: to me that thank you for trusting me with that story. 355 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: It's an amazing story. And just I can hear it, 356 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: I can feel it, I can see what you've made 357 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: from that moment. Is it's almost like your life begun again, 358 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: or actually properly begun. Then the real you found the 359 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: right it. 360 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 2: Feels like, Yeah, it feels like I'm ten years old now. 361 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: It feels as though that was my first experience of 362 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: ever living a life. I've never ever been given permission 363 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 2: to live my life for myself, and it was the 364 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: first time I did, and it completely changed the way 365 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: that I saw everything. And now I'm kind of on 366 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: a mission with my podcast and with all of the 367 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: work that I do to make sure no one hits 368 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 2: the depths that I've hit, and if they do, hopefully 369 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 2: they won't feel so alone. 370 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sometimes the breaking apart that we have is 371 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: necessary and vital because you kind of reveal the real 372 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: you that's just waiting there, like a sort of pearl, 373 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: just waiting to be sort of opened up and emerging 374 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: into the world. And You're right, sometimes it we feel 375 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: like we need someone else's permission to do that. Okay, 376 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: do you mean it's so far? Then you've shared with 377 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: us that you've chosen your dog barreled, your diamond necklace. 378 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: What is the third and final item you've got today? 379 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: On Stuff of Legends? 380 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: My next item again not terribly frivolous, but it's all 381 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: the scars all over my body, including the massive stretch 382 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: marks are above my tits, on my tits, I oddly 383 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: love them. I hated all my scars so much. I 384 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: have this condition called alis down loasundrome. It's a lack 385 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: of collagen. It means that anything that even grazes me 386 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: will scar me. It kind of means that, like, while 387 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: my body looks like I've had sex with Edward Susan's, 388 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: it's just I'm just covered in scars. It's kind of 389 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 2: become this amazing scrapbook of my life and some of 390 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: these injuries that I have like these forever minders of 391 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: like as you grow older, you grow this kind of affection. 392 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: I don't take a lot of photographs. I wish i'd 393 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: took more, but I always forget to capture the moment, 394 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 2: and so it's almost like my skin has been capturing 395 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: some of the funniest and stupidest and chaotic moments of 396 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: my life for me. 397 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: Yeay, kind of your own walking photo album away of 398 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: like the moment you like your own museum. 399 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: Oh it's fantastic. I mean, talk about my love for Takeaway. 400 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: Right. 401 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: I've got this incredible scar across my knee. I'm looking 402 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: at it right now, and it's clear that I've had 403 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: a lot of stitches on it. And it's this brilliant 404 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: crisscross from when I was running for a lamb curry 405 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 2: at at light speed because there really is nothing I 406 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: won't do for food. And it was about eleven PM 407 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 2: and the curry mundle was about to close and I 408 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 2: was running like my life depended on it, and I 409 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: fell over and split my knee up and had to 410 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: go to the hospital instead and never got a curry, 411 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 2: But just silling things like that. I've got sex accidents. 412 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: I have multiple scars from being a super villain in 413 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: Marvel of course, playing Titania, and so I've got kind 414 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: of little marks and scars from doing that. That's a reminder. 415 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: I've got places where my dog scratched me that remind 416 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: me of him. It's this weird new way I've kind 417 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: of twisted my thinking around my body getting bigger, meaning 418 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: I'm taking up more space in the world. And that's 419 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 2: kind of cool and revolutionary for someone who's been in 420 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: this industry that's been telling me to shrink myself my 421 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: whole life. Yeah, I kind of love it all. And 422 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 2: I find scars so sexy on other people, and so 423 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 2: I don't know why I was so ashamed of mine 424 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: when I was younger, but I've grown to think they're 425 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: fucking fantastic. 426 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: You're right these scars. Are they your own? They're part 427 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: of the store of your life, aren't they. 428 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: Do you have any like big scars that from like 429 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: a significant thing that you can like, Do you have 430 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: any any kind of massive scars or you're not terribly scarry? 431 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: No, I've actually got I've got quite a few now 432 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: I think about it. I've literally got a scar on 433 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: my knuckle from after seeing the Rocky movie going home 434 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: and trying to turn my beanbag into a Rocky mate 435 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: shift improvised punch bag and hoisted it over my bedroom door, 436 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: went to throw it's kind of punch and hit my 437 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: bedpost and broke two of my knuckles. And men have 438 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: to go to a and E and because I was 439 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: just a kid, I told them actually, rather make a 440 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: story up. And I remember I heard the doctor go 441 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: out from this little cubicle tell somebody else, and I 442 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: heard them laughing, and someone come in just to clearly 443 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: have a look at the idiotic thirteen year old who 444 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: thought he was Rocky Balboa. But yeah, you're right, the 445 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: scars have got these stories. When you say you're not sentimental, fantastic. 446 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: They're fantastic. Yeah. I mean, I've got so many stretch 447 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: shots across my ass it looks like an at 's 448 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: of London. 449 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: Taxi drivers could have to study you for the knowledge. 450 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, it's like hieroglyphics or something. Though, it's just bonkers. 451 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: These are my own. These are my own weird cave paintings, 452 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: I think. And so you know, I'm I'm just gonna 453 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: keep living my life now without being so fucking concerned 454 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: about it. It's just a free tattoo. It's really a 455 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 2: free tattoo. 456 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: I've got to say, right as well. I just think 457 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: for someone who began this by saying they're not very sentimental, 458 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: I think you're incredibly sentimental. I think you're more more 459 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: in your heart. Yeah, way more to see when you 460 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 1: talk about these and the affection for them, I think 461 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: you're way more well. Listen, Jimeda, thank you so much 462 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: for your honesty and sharing some beautiful moments with us 463 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: as well. I've got so much from this chat. I 464 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: hope you have as well. I've really really enjoyed it. 465 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: Thank you. 466 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a lovely, lovely time. Thank you so much. 467 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: Hobe, I speak for you as well. But every time 468 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: I do stuff of legends, I leave the conversation with something, 469 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: but it's stirred up on me. And today so much 470 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: has come out of the chat with Jamila. The scars 471 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: on our bodies can be cherished. I'm looking at some 472 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: of them. Ones on my body as well were a 473 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: great reminder, tiny reminder us to live every day like 474 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: you're actually dying, and to always wear a great outfit 475 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: just in case ghosts ever stuck wearing it for eternity. 476 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: Just reminder. 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