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Speaker 2: Good ay, Katie. How are you going?

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Speaker 1: Not too bad now, Minister the portal it's primarily targeted

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Speaker 2: More than happy to help with that. But you'd remember

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Speaker 1: Curbs, do we know what areas of work they've sort

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think all of those those policy settings, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Makes a big difference. Hey, before I let you go,

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Speaker 2: Look, As Natasha and other people have repeatedly gone out

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Speaker 1: had a really good read through it all yesterday and

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Speaker 1: totally understand that. But it is more of a you know,

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Speaker 1: a question I guess of integrity as to whether it's

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Speaker 2: So you have one, you have, so you have one

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Speaker 2: entitlement for your vehicle, so you use that if you

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Speaker 2: drive into state, you take your private vehicle, if you know,

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Speaker 2: if you drive to the Sound Australian border.

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Speaker 1: I can understand, well, if the issue is not with

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Speaker 1: using the vehicle. It's with using the fuel card.

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Speaker 2: So what why is it not with using the vehicle

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Speaker 2: if that's part of your package.

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Speaker 1: Well, because if you if it's part of your if

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Speaker 1: it's part of the package, and you're entitled to that vehicle,

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Speaker 1: I get that. You you know, you can't really expect

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Speaker 1: someone then to you know, if they've if they have

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Speaker 1: used that part of their you know, of their entitlements

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Speaker 1: might need to use that interstate, but to me, it

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Speaker 1: is more about you literally using a taxpayer funded fuel

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Speaker 2: In the car that you're interstate paying. You're genuinely paying

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Speaker 2: for with the entitlement that you get.

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Speaker 1: So clearly by what you're saying, you think it's all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's a part of the entitlements that we get, Katie.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, there's there's a range of things.

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Speaker 1: Changed as well recently, because I did speak to the

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Speaker 1: something that you used to be allowed to do, to

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Speaker 1: use that fuel card interstate for travel. That wasn't you know,

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Speaker 1: for business, for Northern Territory business, and so it is

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Speaker 1: something that's only recently changed. So I think that that's

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Speaker 1: another element of it why people are questioning why and

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Speaker 1: again from you know, from what I can gather, that's

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Speaker 1: and it's more so something a decision that the Speaker

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Speaker 2: Well no, no, no, no, the Speaker doesn't set the

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Speaker 2: entitlement but for.

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Speaker 1: The fuel card, for the usage of the fuel card.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't set. The Independent Tribuneal sets those entitlements. The

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Speaker 2: Speaker doesn't set those. And I had a discussion with

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Speaker 2: and yes, you couldn't get you were restricted about the

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Speaker 2: an urban seat and what the what the regional members

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Speaker 2: big range of things that have happened. There oday a

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Speaker 2: big range of changes that has happened, and some of

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Speaker 1: I am going to have to wrap up. Where do

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Speaker 1: people scrutinize abuse? Thing like where's the line drawn?

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Speaker 2: Were? I'm not sure what you mean about if what

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Speaker 2: I if you mean I'm using my fuel car? Oh? Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I get one card allocated for my car. If I'm

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Speaker 2: doing a range of your scrutinized, I guess through a

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Speaker 2: range of different methods that ato scrutinize a range of

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Speaker 2: different things. All of your electorate allowances, all of your

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Speaker 2: vehicle allowance, all of those are scrutinized through all of

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Speaker 2: those normal business measures.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Curbs, we are going to have to wrap up.

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Speaker 1: I've got a chough off. We've got quite a few

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Speaker 1: others lined up this morning for interviews. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time though. Thank you very much for having a

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you,