Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch Up podcast. It is Flex and Frooms
Speaker 1: on Cada. And I've had one of the coolest experiences
Speaker 1: in the whole wide world. Long story short, I went
Speaker 1: to a dinner party with a friend I haven't seen
Speaker 1: in so long. It was me, my friend, her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and her. Is it a coworker when you're both actors?
Speaker 2: I guess so yeah, Pier Pier Peer peer Pier.
Speaker 1: And I brought up Divergent because I really do enjoy
Speaker 1: young adult dystopian novels because I think they create this
Speaker 1: really amazing framework for us to see where we're going.
Speaker 2: Why is dystopia so popular for younger doctors.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't read it now, But
Speaker 1: when I was younger, like in high school, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of what I read was like dystopian novels. And
Speaker 1: so I was thinking about how I remember I told
Speaker 1: you that all of digital data are stored in a
Speaker 1: physical place. Talk to travel long about it, and it's
Speaker 1: and we were saying that one of two things are
Speaker 1: going to happen. It's going to become really really expensive
Speaker 1: to store data. Right now, it's a couple of dollars
Speaker 1: on iCloud per month, So it's going to be limited
Speaker 1: to those who are you know, really rich, or those
Speaker 1: who can afford it, or we're going to get to
Speaker 1: a point of maximum saturation where you just have to
Speaker 1: delete the data. And I was like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have another burn the books moment. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have another burn the books. When like, it's you're the information, babe.
Speaker 1: You want to save the world, so you are the information.
Speaker 1: And then together we well, basically I started talking about
Speaker 1: a book concept that I want to write, and they
Speaker 1: kept asking me questions about the book and I was
Speaker 1: ideating with them, and.
Speaker 2: Now I have a manuscript.
Speaker 1: Amazing, So I'm going to be an amazing dystopian fiction author. Babes,
Speaker 1: I'm cooking, I'm cooking.
Speaker 2: I'm cooking. I'm cooking. I'm cooking and cooking. It's going
Speaker 2: to change my life. I look forward to it. It's sick.
Speaker 2: Any updates to me. Nah, I'm chilling. Okay, let's get
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: Okta, Flex and Frooms. You're listening to Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 3: What the frick? I'm not sure about you. Flex, But
Speaker 3: when I'm thinking about the topic of babies. You have
Speaker 3: sex with somebody, or perhaps you have artificial insemination, and
Speaker 3: together it's possible.
Speaker 2: To create a baby.
Speaker 3: Okay, correct, This has occurred through time, immorial. I think
Speaker 3: the first baby was created in a tube, a test
Speaker 3: tube baby in the nineties in Australia. Thank you to
Speaker 3: Monash IVF the first and it's kind and since then
Speaker 3: leaps and bounds have been made when it comes to
Speaker 3: assisted reproduction. But of course as technology continues to evolve,
Speaker 3: there's the ability to edit the genes and edit your baby.
Speaker 2: So I subscribe for a newsletter called New World, Same Humans.
Speaker 2: What are you going about? You just about this break?
Speaker 3: And this guy writes about like new technologies and then
Speaker 3: gives his two cents every week and it's really great.
Speaker 3: It's called New Week, Same Humans.
Speaker 2: Substack.
Speaker 3: You can google it and.
Speaker 2: You can google it and sign up.
Speaker 3: He was talking about a peace that was published in
Speaker 3: the Journal of Science this week, and the study asked
Speaker 3: respondents if they'd use embryo selection and or gene editing
Speaker 3: technologies to create children who are smarter and more likely
Speaker 3: to get into a top ranked college. The respondents were
Speaker 3: told to imagine that these techniques are free and safe,
Speaker 3: neither of which is currently true, and a full thirty
Speaker 3: eight percent said they'd use embryo selection and twenty eight
Speaker 3: said they use gene editing, Which means that our data
Speaker 3: suggests that it would be unwise to assume that the
Speaker 3: use of PGTP, which is gene editing, even for controversial traits,
Speaker 3: will be limited to idiosync critic individuals, or that it
Speaker 3: has little potential tocourse or contribute to society wide changes
Speaker 3: in inequities. In other words, gene editing humans may be
Speaker 3: just around the corner. So get ready for some seriously
Speaker 3: weird and terrifying implications.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this more on the podcast.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you, FLEXI, if you had the
Speaker 3: ability to edit your child, you would be spawn and
Speaker 3: make it smarter, cleverer, hotter, insert quality that you want here.
Speaker 2: Would you do it? It's a big question.
Speaker 3: So, despite the fact that it was a real struggle
Speaker 3: for me to get that last few sentences out.
Speaker 2: First time you read the article, you know I have.
Speaker 3: Busy weeks, I'm busy rollerblading. So do you think that
Speaker 3: you would edit your baby if you have the chance. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's start with like the first what do you think
Speaker 3: of this? Let's sart with the first hear of this?
Speaker 3: If you wanted your baby no, okay.
Speaker 1: You go, no, you go. I'm doing this thing where
Speaker 1: I make rooms form her own thoughts.
Speaker 2: That's not true and that's not nice. I'm literally doing it.
Speaker 1: You'll notice every day today, You'll you'll for all of
Speaker 1: your breaks that it's a question.
Speaker 2: You'd be like what do you think? Flex? Like what
Speaker 2: do you think for me?
Speaker 3: And then answer a question because I love to hear
Speaker 3: you speak, because usually just default to what do you think?
Speaker 2: Flex? And then you're like, okay, I agree.
Speaker 3: No, I don't, that's untrue. You are biased. And you
Speaker 3: also think before made me do that? Fucked would you bother?
Speaker 3: And then you didn't answer it? So yeah, checkmate, that's
Speaker 3: how the game goes, respectually. Checkmate. Well, I'm asking you,
Speaker 3: would you choose a gene editor to baby if you
Speaker 3: had the option?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Why? Because I don't think it's smart to play god.
Speaker 2: It never works.
Speaker 1: And I also think that these things with the best intentions,
Speaker 1: I think evil always prevails, and I think we get
Speaker 1: to the slippery slope quicker than we think that we're
Speaker 1: going to It's like we talked before about deep fakes.
Speaker 1: It's ha ha ha funny until you know you're now implicated.
Speaker 1: And it's not just Donald Trump being deep faked Robert
Speaker 1: Pattinson in a funny way, it's you being put in
Speaker 1: precarious situations, or your voice or your likeness being put
Speaker 1: in a situation where you can't defend yourself or opt out.
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, people have talked about how
Speaker 1: people have spoken for years and years and years how
Speaker 1: you can have the best intentions with eugenics and like.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, but I'm just gonna give my baby
Speaker 2: blue eyes.
Speaker 1: Why why I'm just gonna make sure my baby doesn't
Speaker 1: have any diseases, which ones I'm just gonna be my
Speaker 1: best baby, the best fighting chance of being you know, intelligent?
Speaker 2: How how you know?
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna quote unquote breed out qualities or
Speaker 1: we're gonna create homogenized race. And also the people who
Speaker 1: are gonna have access and the resources and the money
Speaker 1: to be able to do this does mean the same
Speaker 1: white people, the same like hectic uh Nazi fucking Ariyan
Speaker 1: community being like we're just gonna breed more of ours.
Speaker 1: I was reading about because there's this new philosophy called
Speaker 1: long termism.
Speaker 2: Let me find the Google place the Google definition.
Speaker 1: So, long termism is the ethical stance which gives priority
Speaker 1: to improving the long term future. It's an important concept
Speaker 1: in effective altruism and serves as a primary motivation for
Speaker 1: efforts that claim to reduce existential risks to humanity. So
Speaker 1: there's this group of billionaires who've created this elite club
Speaker 1: of basically encouraging other billionaires and elite to procreate and
Speaker 1: to commit to giving birth to at least ten children
Speaker 1: to essentially nurture and create and raise the type of
Speaker 1: people who be able to save the world. They're kind
Speaker 1: of like, you can't rely on the common man. We
Speaker 1: elites need to commit to extending our bloodline and being
Speaker 1: here and not falling to the trap of not wanting
Speaker 1: to have kids for whatever reason. It's not about us,
Speaker 1: it's about the future, etc. So No, I don't want
Speaker 1: to play god. I just don't think it's good, and
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of us are, and I
Speaker 1: would take even me, like, I'm not at the place
Speaker 1: where I've fully decolonized my mind and what I think
Speaker 1: and how I feel enough to be parenting let it
Speaker 1: alone enough to be choosing what I want my kid
Speaker 1: to look like and be made up of facts.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, Like it's I just immediately think of
Speaker 3: like the funny things about it. But of course it's
Speaker 3: it's like AI, how it has all of these un
Speaker 3: what funny things like the idea of being like in
Speaker 3: the sims, like picking what your baby looks like, like
Speaker 3: I imagine in a funny way. I don't think of
Speaker 3: it in an actual practical way. But yeah, you're so
Speaker 3: right about how, like we talked about with AI, it's
Speaker 3: like a particular type of person that's making it so
Speaker 3: they're going to have like unconscious bias that bleeds into it,
Speaker 3: et cetera.
Speaker 2: That's why I, like you.
Speaker 3: Say, even with like us talking to smarter child on
Speaker 3: MSN and ow like how I'm not very nice to
Speaker 3: my Siri. I don't actually use Siri because I don't
Speaker 3: find that it works very effectively. Like the other day
Speaker 3: I was messaging flex and it put us in a
Speaker 3: group chat with another random chick that I haven't spoken
Speaker 3: to in ten years.
Speaker 2: You can't blame.
Speaker 3: That's so funny, Yeah, gene editing, it's shocking to me.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not really shocking that it's happening, Like,
Speaker 3: I guess people are always going to be playing with
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So which.
Speaker 3: No, I think as well, because I wouldn't say I'm superstitious,
Speaker 3: but I think if you did that and intervened, well,
Speaker 3: I've got no issue with. Like, I think it's cool
Speaker 3: to see technology like this happen, Like if people didn't
Speaker 3: start going down this route, then they wouldn't be like
Speaker 3: egg freezing and insemination all that kind of stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Even that back then I think was considered a bit
Speaker 3: like is this even like ethical to be making a
Speaker 3: baby in a lab?
Speaker 2: Per se?
Speaker 3: So I think it's like interisting from a technological point,
Speaker 3: but it's very dystopian and I can imagine. Yeah, they've
Speaker 3: obviously been problems with different things being preferential, and it's
Speaker 3: not really like how humans were designed, right, it's not regular.
Speaker 3: We'll watch this space. We are every day a step
Speaker 3: closer to Black Mirror. And once I watch too much
Speaker 3: Black Mirror in the school holidays that it sent me
Speaker 3: into a exidential crisis.
Speaker 2: So real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll maybe just pick other things from this newsletter
Speaker 3: that aren't super scary.
Speaker 1: It's literally going to cost us millions of dollars to
Speaker 1: have a kid, and I plan to have a spoiled
Speaker 1: nepotism baby. I just can't afford to also be doing
Speaker 1: tweaks before it evening exists.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I like it.
Speaker 3: We'll do tweaks on the ground, post production, tweaks, after care,
Speaker 3: after care.
Speaker 2: Add on tin. You're listening to Flex and Frooms on Cada.
Speaker 3: You're on Cada. It's Flex and Froomes. We're with you
Speaker 3: from three to five pm. Welcome back. Something that we
Speaker 3: talk about on the show, whether I like it.
Speaker 2: Or not, is dating.
Speaker 3: And I have a love line someone who sent in
Speaker 3: this dilemma to us, and we're going to listen to
Speaker 3: it and perhaps provide answers that are either illuminating or
Speaker 3: totally ridiculous. True you decide. This title is Queen of
Speaker 3: the lead on. I went off for dinner and drinks
Speaker 3: with the guy for the first time and had a
Speaker 3: really good night. Normally on the type to chat with
Speaker 3: them a little more before meeting up straight away, but
Speaker 3: we had mutuals and he seemed normal enough. That's fair,
Speaker 3: I guess it. It can the badly, but we'll go
Speaker 3: with that. Things were going so well, so I invited
Speaker 3: him back to my place for the night overall good night,
Speaker 3: so we know the deed was done. Fast forward a
Speaker 3: week later and I hung out with him again, same
Speaker 3: good vieb and good time, and he said he had
Speaker 3: a surprise for me. It was something that I'd mentioned
Speaker 3: I was going to buy myself but never got around
Speaker 3: to it. I was shocked and it was really sweet.
Speaker 3: I've since been looking up gifts online, ah, because it
Speaker 3: was an antique and it's possible that he spent up
Speaker 3: to three hundred dollars on them.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I'm touched that he potentially spent quite a fair amount
Speaker 3: of money on me so early on, and I get
Speaker 3: the vibe he may not be on the same page
Speaker 3: as me, although I thought I'd been pretty honest. I'm
Speaker 3: keen to see where things go, but don't know if
Speaker 3: I ready to jump into the deep end with anything
Speaker 3: too serious. Am I overthinking this or do I have
Speaker 3: to keep stating that I'm a casual girly.
Speaker 1: As stated during our previous hangout.
Speaker 3: We have since messaged her to ask her what it
Speaker 3: was that the gift would be because I'm thinking this
Speaker 3: is jewelry, sis, you gotta run for the hills, Okay,
Speaker 3: but if it's maybe something a little bit more like
Speaker 3: I think buying jewelry is like bfgfgfgf bfbf status. Apparently
Speaker 3: it was a set of Lee Lee Crusette, those like
Speaker 3: beautiful Dutch ovens, and he sounds a lead French Lee Crusette. Continue, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: deer lingo secret sidekiing and it was sentimental with her
Speaker 3: for her because her grandmother loved to use la croquettes.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you.
Speaker 3: Think that it's too much?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think that if you've said that you want to
Speaker 3: keep things casual, if we're going by the law of
Speaker 3: like what books tell you to do to make it
Speaker 3: look nothing like I'm either all in or all out
Speaker 3: if I'm not into you, and then you start doing
Speaker 3: real sweet stuff like I'm freaking out, I'm feeling trapped,
Speaker 3: I'm feeling claustrophobic, and it sounds like you're not into
Speaker 3: this guy, like you're looking for something casual, which you've
Speaker 3: been very clear about, and he's taken that as a
Speaker 3: sign of need to win this chickover. I would say,
Speaker 3: take the la crusette. Okay, they're expensive and you've got something.
Speaker 3: Once a guy gave me a Shane Warn cricket ball
Speaker 3: whoa and I am a big Shane Warn fan. So
Speaker 3: it was a really beautiful moment. But of course, like
Speaker 3: if you break up with the person, what do you
Speaker 3: do with it? Does it have to do you have
Speaker 3: to keep it? Do you have to change the story up?
Speaker 3: I say, just accept.
Speaker 2: It for what it is.
Speaker 3: I know that gifts do not equate to ownership.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm likely to agree. I have been thinking
Speaker 1: recently that a lot of us don't allow ourselves to
Speaker 1: enjoy the benefits of romance for fear of it coming
Speaker 1: across as wanting more. So it's like you're only in now.
Speaker 1: You're only allowed to be really intimate with a person
Speaker 1: and buy gifts and be romantic if you're going to date,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like you're going to date more
Speaker 1: people than you You're going to casually see more people
Speaker 1: than you end up partnering with, And so why can't
Speaker 1: you enjoy the experience of extreme intimacy without the title
Speaker 1: like your gift, make it fun, take the gift, enjoy.
Speaker 1: I don't say you have to keep emphasizing you've already
Speaker 1: done more than en half, which is, you know, set
Speaker 1: your intentions early on. But I think if you start
Speaker 1: getting uncomfortable with it because you feel as that this
Speaker 1: person's not respecting your boundaries, then obviously be like, hey, babe, back.
Speaker 2: Off, happen. Something's gonna happen. Yes, something's gonna give. This
Speaker 2: is flex and firms on Kata.
Speaker 1: Has technology gone too far? Some might say it's not
Speaker 1: gone far enough, considering that back in my day when
Speaker 1: we were talking about the future, we expected keyless entry.
Speaker 1: Why do we have keys in twenty twenty three? Why
Speaker 1: isn't everything I need my doors to be pushed to
Speaker 1: start and good pook open?
Speaker 3: Where are the flying cubs?
Speaker 1: But even then, like I just feel like there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of cyber anything. The fact that I don't
Speaker 1: know what don't know what my vitals are by just
Speaker 1: like scanning the chip in my wrist, it feels our cake.
Speaker 1: Why do you want us to be caven so badly?
Speaker 1: But in good news? Because we are making progress in
Speaker 1: the death industry when it comes to so thank you
Speaker 1: for stepping up, you know, the overlords of the funeral
Speaker 1: environmental anyway, the digital anyway. According to Body and Soul,
Speaker 1: the digital eulogy era is here thanks to tombstone QR codes.
Speaker 1: Did a gen z write that headline? Someone over the
Speaker 1: age of forty did not pen that one, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate that they've said. A new way to learn about
Speaker 1: your ancestors could become commonplace. Thanks to the merging of
Speaker 1: technology and grave sites, gravesite QR codes are officially becoming
Speaker 1: a way to pay tribute and share the stories of
Speaker 1: a person's incredible life beyond the grave. This idea came
Speaker 1: to be by this US based engineer and inventor, Michael
Speaker 1: bork bourk b o u r Que, who decided to
Speaker 1: make a QR code for his late father's headstone as
Speaker 1: a way to honor his dad's incredible life with others
Speaker 1: who may be passing by the grave. So he was like,
Speaker 1: there's so much to know about my dad. He lives
Speaker 1: such a rich life, and nobody knows that aside from
Speaker 1: me and the people who lived with him. I want
Speaker 1: to do this small thing so people can honor him
Speaker 1: in the way that he deserves.
Speaker 2: To be honest.
Speaker 1: So, if you scan the QR code on Michael's dad's grave,
Speaker 1: it'll link to a website that goes through his life bio,
Speaker 1: the fact that he lived through the Great Depression, and
Speaker 1: he served in the Korean War and he worked on
Speaker 1: nuclear testing sites in the Cold War. Like, okay, that's CVCV,
Speaker 1: my Kay's king and so it's just a modern take
Speaker 1: on keeping the memories alive for loved one. Sounds great
Speaker 1: in theory. In practice, I'm a bit confused. If something
Speaker 1: happened to you through me untimely of course, and someone's
Speaker 1: gonna make a digital gravestone, I'm very concerned about what
Speaker 1: they would gather and put front and center, because even
Speaker 1: though you're not living a double life, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: like you're gonna want a few professional accolades, not you
Speaker 1: doing like Shrek cosplay and talking about ghosting on CATA.
Speaker 1: It's like, could we nominate and is this something that
Speaker 1: you need to like self curate before you die, because
Speaker 1: I don't know were like the main image updating that.
Speaker 3: So my current Instagram picture is weak of me with
Speaker 3: a Karen haircut, and honestly, people say that it looks
Speaker 3: like Balahad did, so that's why I've kept it there.
Speaker 3: I have like a lot of future proof things that
Speaker 3: I've done, like on Facebook, my best friend like gets
Speaker 3: it if I die in an untimely manner. Also, digital
Speaker 3: wheels are happening, and my mum just added me to
Speaker 3: her will.
Speaker 1: Damn your mom's text savvy.
Speaker 3: Literally, and I just thought, I don't know how she
Speaker 3: did that.
Speaker 2: So what it did?
Speaker 3: I got this email saying you've just been added to Xyza.
Speaker 3: You don't have to do anything with this, but this
Speaker 3: is the email that's on file, And I'm like, that's crazy,
Speaker 3: Like we're really making this stuff digital, which feels so
Speaker 3: antithetical to what death is.
Speaker 1: I can't access that email account.
Speaker 3: Literally, what if my internet's down? But yeah, it's good
Speaker 3: to know that we're making how do you say? We're
Speaker 3: making waves in the death industry, which is very important?
Speaker 1: Okita flex and fromes flex and froms. Everybody thinks they
Speaker 1: have the capacity to participate in hypergamy. That is the
Speaker 1: act of dating or marrying up, marrying rich, marrying successful, capitalistic.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I'm not gonna say you don't,
Speaker 1: but I will say, have you ever seen a prenup
Speaker 1: of a billionaire? Have you ever seen what's required? Because
Speaker 1: I managed to get my hands on. Mark Zuckerberg's through
Speaker 1: a friend with a friend, and I want you to
Speaker 1: listen to this and tell me if you have the capacity.
Speaker 1: This is a TikTok from Hello, prenup.
Speaker 4: What does someone like Mark Zuckerberg put in their prenup? Well,
Speaker 4: from what we've heard, he's got some pretty interesting clauses,
Speaker 4: like the alleged clause that mandates the two of them
Speaker 4: spend of one hundred hours of a long time per.
Speaker 2: Week outside of the office.
Speaker 4: But outside of those more quirkier terms, what are the
Speaker 4: financial terms we think he has in the prenup. Well,
Speaker 4: to no one's surprised, it's likely that he's kept his
Speaker 4: interest in Facebook separate, and the majority of Facebook assets
Speaker 4: are said to be in intellectual property. This includes designs,
Speaker 4: this processes, algorithms, and more. So we believe it's highly
Speaker 4: highly likely that he's included a clause to protect his
Speaker 4: intellectual property to ensure that it's stays separate in the
Speaker 4: event of a divorce.
Speaker 2: He really said hands off my pokes, sis.
Speaker 1: Said, I want quality time.
Speaker 2: That's my level.
Speaker 1: One hundred hours that's more than a full time job,
Speaker 1: and it's contractual that we do two and a half
Speaker 1: full time jobs of quality time together a week. You
Speaker 1: don't want to do that.
Speaker 2: How does he get the time?
Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing. He's kind of like you.
Speaker 1: It's the clause that you have to spend time with
Speaker 1: him so he can be doing what he needs to
Speaker 1: be doing. You just need to be present at all
Speaker 1: times accessible.
Speaker 2: That can't be real. Why not you see the source?
Speaker 1: Hello, Prina. On a competitive side, I've cited my sources. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a lot like I feel like even if let's
Speaker 1: say that was the only clause. If you want access
Speaker 1: to this wealth, if you want access to any IP
Speaker 1: that's not Facebook and meta related, if you want to
Speaker 1: share your life with me, clock on to full time jobs.
Speaker 2: What's one hundred divided by seven seventy? No, fourteen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirteen ish. So every waking moment you're going to
Speaker 1: be spending with your king.
Speaker 2: I mean, the billions are billioning it all.
Speaker 3: I'll say, if you're with someone in Hawaii, doesn't really
Speaker 3: matter who the person is, Just like, dissociate and enjoy
Speaker 3: the fartestar accommodation and the nobrew dinners.
Speaker 1: Get room clover, what's the big deal anyway?
Speaker 2: Look your stuff in the bathrooms. You've been listening to
Speaker 2: the Flex and Frooms Daily podcast.
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