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Speaker 1: Now Opposition leader Lea Fanocchiaro joins me in the studio

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Speaker 1: right now. Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, firstly, a fleeting visit from the Prime Minister late

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Speaker 1: yesterday for an important announcement.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think we all.

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Speaker 1: Understand that no one's disputing the work done at the

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Speaker 1: Allen Walker Kansas Center. I want to say that right

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Speaker 1: from the get go. Obviously my dad go through that

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Speaker 1: center and had friends do the same. There are so

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Speaker 1: many people though, that are this morning questioning how the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister could come to the Northern Territory and not

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Speaker 1: actually announce anything or speak about any plans to support

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory through the crime crisis that we're experiencing

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Speaker 1: right now. Leah, do you think that the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: should have done more yesterday?

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Speaker 4: I think it just shows when Natasha Farz's priorities are

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Speaker 4: at now. Health is critical and no one's taking that away.

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Speaker 4: But equally, we had a Prime minister fly into Alice

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Speaker 4: Springs for four hours and now it's two hundred and.

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Speaker 2: Fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 4: This is months ago, Katie and that community are still

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Speaker 4: wondering where that money is and so to come to

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Speaker 4: Darwin and just sort of fob off the one issue

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Speaker 4: that is on every single person's mind just shows that

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Speaker 4: Labour want to talk about anything other than the biggest

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Speaker 4: issue affecting all of our health, all of our safety,

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Speaker 4: all of our lives, all of our workplaces, and that

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Speaker 4: is crime.

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Speaker 1: Now speaking of obviously, I understand that you were in

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs on the weekend. There is unbelievably bad vision

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Speaker 1: that has emerged from Alice Springs over the weekend of

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Speaker 1: really very violent fighting on the streets in Alice.

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Speaker 3: It's mortifying stuff. Did you see of that?

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Speaker 4: Very difficult to watch, actually, Katie, really horrific, and that's

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Speaker 4: a lived experience of so many people in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 4: It was really important for me to go on the weekend.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to catch up with every day Alice Springs residents.

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Speaker 4: Normally I sort of meet with a lot of businesses

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Speaker 4: when I go during the week but this was an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to get out on the doors and door knock

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Speaker 4: to people coming through there and talk to people at

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Speaker 4: the Alice Springs Cup and what was really clear is

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Speaker 4: that crime is really taking its toll.

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Speaker 2: People were saying that the.

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Speaker 4: Turnout at the races was low, and some people really

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Speaker 4: attributed that to just significantly low morale in that community.

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Speaker 4: But equally, cost of living is playing havoc on that town,

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Speaker 4: the cost and infrequency of flights, the inavailability of childcare,

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Speaker 4: all of these things that meaning people are going And

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Speaker 4: I just spoke to so many people who were telling

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Speaker 4: me they're not going to see out there end of

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Speaker 4: the year.

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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister had said at that press conference yesterday

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Speaker 1: that some of that two hundred and fifty million dollars

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Speaker 1: has already been invested in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 3: Has there been any improvement.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about that, because of course there

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Speaker 4: was fifty that got initially put up, and then there

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Speaker 4: was the two fifty. Now I've spoken to people who

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Speaker 4: said that money hasn't flowed just a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: I'm confident the federal government said that the detail would

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Speaker 4: be in the budget, which obviously hasn't had to Minister

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Speaker 4: had told me that last week exactly exactly. So I

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Speaker 4: think there's a bit of, you know, bit of bending

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Speaker 4: of the truth here. I think the optics that they're

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Speaker 4: trying to achieve is that two fifty has hit the ground,

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Speaker 4: but I would say that it hasn't, Katie, And the

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Speaker 4: fact that the Chief Minister can't commit to how much

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Speaker 4: of that is going to support a police response or

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Speaker 4: any response at all is pretty shocking. And when I've

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Speaker 4: spoken to agencies in Alice Springs who have bid for

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Speaker 4: parts of that money, they certainly haven't heard back on

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Speaker 2: So it's a pretty interesting process.

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Speaker 4: Basically, two point fifty was put on the table and

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Speaker 4: various things. So there's really no strategy around how that

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Speaker 1: Lea are weird a state of emergency when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the crime situation that we are experiencing across the.

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Speaker 4: Territory without question, and that deadline has come and gone.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we're in a prolonged state of emergency. This

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Speaker 4: is an absolute crisis. People are are desperate for action,

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Speaker 4: the devastation, the impact on people's health and well being.

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Speaker 2: I mean, people can't sleep at night. They're going to

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Speaker 4: Barricade their homes, their businesses, protect their children, protect their animals.

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Speaker 4: I was speaking to someone who is very supportive of

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Speaker 2: So this is now becoming.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a point where people, will I go

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Speaker 4: to the shops, what time will I go? Which shot

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Speaker 4: will I go to? Will I bring the kids? Where

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Speaker 4: will I park? Is my car going to be there

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Speaker 4: when I come back with the shopping? This is all

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Speaker 4: the things in people's minds. We saw John John's have

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Speaker 4: It's just the hideous levels of violence.

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Speaker 1: All the while we know that the situation with the

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Speaker 1: Police Commissioner, it's been fascical. There's no other way to

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Speaker 1: put both the Northern Territory government and mister Talker issuing

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government. How much do you you think

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Speaker 1: that this has caused the territory taxpayer.

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Speaker 4: It would be an enormous amount, Katie I would imagine,

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Speaker 4: I would imagine.

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Speaker 2: So who knows.

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Speaker 4: And that's the point, you know, Territorians may never ever

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Speaker 4: find out. We've got a Chief Minister who totally bungled

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Speaker 4: the exit strategy for Jamie Chalker. He's then taken her

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Speaker 4: to court. She's then done anything she could to end

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court, and who knows what would have come

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Speaker 4: out of that. I think one of the saddest parts

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Speaker 4: of this story is not only the lack of leadership

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Speaker 4: was it that the government Was it that Jamie Chalker

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Speaker 4: the government said no, And that was something that came

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Speaker 4: out in the reporting over this dispute in court, And

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Speaker 4: of if the Natasha File's government stopped police from asking

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Speaker 1: Now, how important do you think that it is at

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Speaker 1: comes to the recruitment of a new commissioner. We know

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Speaker 1: How important do you think it is though, when it

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Speaker 3: Job, Well, it's critical.

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Speaker 4: It is just one of the single most important jobs

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Speaker 4: in our jurisdiction. You know, you've got the government, then

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Speaker 4: you've got the police force who are out there working

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Speaker 4: build them back up and bring them together. We've got

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Speaker 4: a crisis of health and well being, a morale crisis.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that need to be done

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Speaker 4: to support our police, including adequate resourcing. The new Police

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Speaker 4: that they should not be stripped of their powers anymore,

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Speaker 4: that they need their power back to deal with criminals.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is a really critical time for the territory. Ultimately,

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Speaker 4: we certainly hope that the best person for the territory

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Speaker 4: gets the job, not the best person for Natasha Files.

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Speaker 1: Now, what did you make then of the fact that

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister had held a press conference earlier in

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Speaker 3: What did you make of all of that?

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Speaker 4: This is a cover up of a cover up, Katie.

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Speaker 4: Of course, this entire management of this saga has been

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Speaker 4: on Sunday that you know, Jamie Chalk is left with,

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Speaker 4: you know, you know what's entitled to him, only to

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Speaker 4: have clearly been put under pressure by him or his

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Speaker 4: that's not really true, and she's had to come out

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Speaker 1: Now I'm going to get to Howard Springs another debacle

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Speaker 1: when it comes to those pods in just a couple

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Speaker 1: get there. We saw over the weekend more ram raids,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately in the city, that attitude for men. You know,

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Speaker 1: serious damage as well to a beautiful building that they

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Speaker 1: one example of some of the crime that we've seen

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Speaker 1: set to introduce some draft legislation on ram raids. What

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Speaker 4: This is something we've been working on for a long time,

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Speaker 4: and of course the CLP has been leading from our

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Speaker 4: I have instructed Parliamentary Council to create specific legislation here

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Speaker 4: there is no specific offense for doing a ram raid.

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Speaker 4: There's offenses for stealing cars, there's offenses for robbery, but

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Speaker 4: nothing for ram raids, and of course it doesn't matter

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Speaker 4: if you're in Alice Springs, Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 2: Catherine Palmerston, Darwin.

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Speaker 4: Ram raids are just increasing in severity, they put people's

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Speaker 4: lives and livelihoods at risk and we think there should

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Speaker 4: be a separate offense for that, with a maximum penalty

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Speaker 4: of fourteen years.

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Speaker 3: So if somebody commits a ram raid, if.

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Speaker 1: They are behind the wheel of a car, they ram

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Speaker 1: raid a business, you reckon, they should get maximum fourteen years.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right about.

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Speaker 4: The minimum minimum will be up to the courts, but

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Speaker 4: we certainly are of the view that this needs to

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Speaker 4: be a standalone offence. It also means that then that

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Speaker 4: to really clearly see, you know, what is.

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Speaker 2: Going on with people using vehicles as weapons.

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Speaker 4: That's on top of the fact that hopefully in the

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Speaker 4: next two weeks in Parliament our bail legislation will actually

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Speaker 2: We're calling on.

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Speaker 4: Government to back in making it a starting point of

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Speaker 4: no bow for any violent offender. We saw a tinkering

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Speaker 1: Last week you and I had spoken about the situation

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Speaker 1: They continued by that the sixty commissioned pods are being

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Speaker 1: Two of those pods were utilized, four of them didn't

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Speaker 3: The government sees two.

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Speaker 1: Of the pods were utilized, the other four weren't needed

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Speaker 4: I think this shows just how disastrous and chaotic the

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Speaker 1: Or a step further and say that when the CELP

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Speaker 1: it was literally done only for a media event. You know,

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Speaker 1: I would question why have these demountables been sent all

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Speaker 4: Here, exactly. That's exactly right. We have a nine billion

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Speaker 4: that is your money.

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Speaker 2: It is not her money. There is no money tree.

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Speaker 4: And ultimately that means it's money not going into education,

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Speaker 4: you would be better of spending money than you are,

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Speaker 4: just literally because you know, you are an incompetent government with.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, She's been focused on other things.

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Speaker 4: She's been focused on making sure she doesn't see her

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Speaker 4: we could only imagine what would happen after that, Katium

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Speaker 4: and this is a result of that.

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Speaker 1: It is it's honestly, it is quite a debarkle. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know where we go to from here, but

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Speaker 3: I think that they're fed.

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Speaker 1: Up with the misuse of taxpayers dollars and we really

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Speaker 1: just want, whether it's the COLP, the ALP, whoever is

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Speaker 2: And this government came to power on that promise.

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Speaker 4: But what we're seeing more than, even more than a

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Speaker 4: this whole Howard Springs debarkle, the Jamie chalk or debarcle

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Speaker 4: is really highlighting just how fun Natasha Files is willing

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Speaker 2: People are very very angry about it.

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Speaker 4: It's symbolic of someone who is really more about politics

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, before I let you go.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm not sure whether this is correct or not,

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Speaker 3: Is that correct? Did that happen?

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Speaker 4: But ultimately, Katie, I'm focusing on the job. Territory are

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Speaker 3: Are you in a.

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Speaker 1: Situation though, where there are branches of the CLP that

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there are some individuals who you know, don't

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Speaker 4: ultimately that's a matter for them. Our doors are always

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Speaker 4: Expect us to do that as well. I mean the

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Speaker 4: internal massinations of the CLP should be something for meeting rooms,

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Speaker 4: because there is too much to do. Crime is out

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Speaker 1: Leo, we better leave it there. Thank you as always

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Take care,