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Speaker 1: This is gem Nation with Jones. Well, nine days until

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Speaker 1: Australia decides who the next prime minister will be. Some

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Speaker 1: people like you, Brendan, are still undecided. Many people, I

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Speaker 1: think have probably made up their minds already. But we

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Speaker 1: are in the midst of debate Territory. We've seen a

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Speaker 1: really missy debate just the other night with the politicians

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Speaker 2: That's what a political debate is.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's find out because we're about to talk to

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Speaker 1: Mark Riley. The final debate is on tomorrow night. The

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Speaker 1: moderator is Channel seven's Mark Riley. Hello, Mark, how are

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Speaker 1: you morning?

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Speaker 3: Guys? Never better?

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Speaker 2: You very well? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Are you going in there with a giant whistle saying

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Speaker 3: No? No, a chair and a whip though, I mean, really,

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Speaker 3: we have a night was we needed a bit of

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Speaker 3: I guess it needed some structure that allowed people to

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Speaker 3: understand what the leaders were saying. I felt sorry for

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Speaker 3: Sarah Arbo. It was very difficult to control two a

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Speaker 3: type personal is when they go at each other like that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I don't think I'll let them get

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Speaker 3: away with that on tomorrow night.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought Sarah did a great job.

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Speaker 4: And really, whenever we have any politician on this show,

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Speaker 4: they always crap on it. And you've got to say, okay,

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Speaker 4: we come and put Daniel Andrews on our show, because

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Speaker 2: You just got to and you've got to actually say

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's it. I mean, particularly in election

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Speaker 3: periods like this and when you're just eleven days away

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Speaker 3: and they get the tack lines in. You know, the

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Speaker 3: answers to questions are really in the same postcode as

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Speaker 3: the question itself, and I think that's the art, just

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Speaker 3: people are interested in their personalities and their character and okay,

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Speaker 3: we get it. They don't like each other, it's pretty obvious.

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Speaker 3: But we want to know what their plans are for

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Speaker 3: the future of the country, doesn't we. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this campaign, the coverage a lot about has obviously

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Speaker 1: been about the two main parties, but the independents are

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Speaker 1: going to play a big role in the outcome of

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Speaker 1: this How important will they be you think.

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Speaker 3: Crucial, and that's a really good point. I think there's

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Speaker 3: because the most likely outcome is a minority government either way.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the most likely outcomeers, let's face it, according

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Speaker 3: If it's a minority government, then these so called teal

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Speaker 3: of Representatives. That really means something, and that means that

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Speaker 3: the government will need to negotiate every single piece of

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Speaker 3: legislation with those independents. And that means everything from supply

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Speaker 3: bills that's the economy, to climate change, to education to jobs,

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Speaker 3: to all those issues. They'll all have to be negotiated

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Speaker 3: through the crossbench and there'll be a lot of horse

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Speaker 3: training that's done. We've had it before in the Gillard

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Speaker 3: people say that was a messy time politics was. It

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Speaker 3: you think about it, there was some big reform, the

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Speaker 3: Not bad for democracy, frankly, but you need to know

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Speaker 3: where the independents stand on major issues. I think that's

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Speaker 3: the point that both the majors are saying, Okay, we

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Speaker 3: we get that, but you know where are they on taxation?

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Speaker 2: Have too much information these days?

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Speaker 4: It's almost like we're at a barbecue and there's just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite a bit in there, Jonesy. I noticed,

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Speaker 3: that you see so many signs. You get smashed with advertising,

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Speaker 3: You're getting bombarded with information. So it is really difficult

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Speaker 2: Have you got a big got your question? What's your

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Speaker 2: big got your question? Mark?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't have a big gotcha question. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think there's a place for all that

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Speaker 3: I think I'll steer away from that. I think I'll

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Speaker 1: I saw someone saying yesterday it might have even been

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Speaker 1: Betrudor Advocate all the shovel saying, all right, Anthony Albanezy,

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Speaker 1: you say you want more policies for women, can you

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Speaker 1: name every woman in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Starting with parent?

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Speaker 3: Well, Marca, Yeah, it's great. You know it's not it's

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Speaker 3: not a parrot hut. You know, it's not about reciting things.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel what's your what do you believe? What

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Speaker 3: your vision is? That's what it's about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: It's great to talk to you again.

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Speaker 4: The Great Debate the final showdown tomorrow night after Big

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Speaker 4: Brother on seven and seven plus.

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Speaker 2: Mike Riley good luck with the chair and the whip.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks very much, guys, thank you Mark,