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Speaker 1: But joining us in the studio right now for the

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Speaker 1: big issues. Well, I have got Matt Cunningham this morning.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, mattdo Wolfe. How are you very well?

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Speaker 1: And I've also got the big man himself in his

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump shows.

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Speaker 2: Don't Talma, why wouldn't I be?

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Speaker 3: Katie, Great to be with you, good morning.

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Speaker 4: It's a good day to be supporting Orange Jesus. You

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Speaker 4: know he's been out there spreading peace and delivering miracles.

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Speaker 2: Goodness Jim for another miracle.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly going to be an interesting day.

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Speaker 2: Matt. You've been keeping a really those on things, haven't you.

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Speaker 5: Well. I've been trying to Okatie.

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Speaker 3: It's very He's a news hound, that's what he does.

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Speaker 6: It's very difficult to follow, but I would say that

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Speaker 6: early on what's interesting is watching what's happening in Florida,

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Speaker 6: and it is a neck and neck race in Florida,

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Speaker 6: although on the latest votes, look looks like Donald Trump's

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Speaker 6: just got his nose in front in Florida. Now, if

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Speaker 5: But he is, he does have his nose in front

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Speaker 6: And what's interesting in Florida as well is that in Miami,

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Speaker 6: while Biden is winning in Miami, he's not winning by

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Speaker 6: Clinton was winning Miami by in twenty sixteen. Now, that

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Speaker 5: But as I say, it's very early days.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I just I was watching how mate, tim Avia,

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Speaker 3: He's in some tally rooms.

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Speaker 7: Ever, come on, you're not really journalists. But I take

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Speaker 7: that bank, I take that bank. That was That was

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Speaker 4: tim Arvia was saying that this is dreadful news for

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Speaker 1: Say, I'm not I won't be overly surprised if he wins.

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Speaker 1: And you know I'm not a big Donald Trump supporter.

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Speaker 2: They vote for him. And I was watching one.

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Speaker 1: Well, it drives a lot, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: And it is time for the big issues. And you

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Speaker 1: of course is Dave Tolner and Matt Cunningham. Now, just

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Speaker 2: To go, there is certainly a long way to go.

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Speaker 1: Liberal National Party leader deb Frecklington well, she stood down,

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Speaker 2: Usually it's Daves wait for it, his alarm.

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Speaker 2: It's not sure how to do it.

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Speaker 3: About But I'll.

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Speaker 6: You know, something you got to say about Danny is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well and then and yeah, then when you I

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Speaker 1: And she was one of the ones that had sent

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Speaker 4: It seems to me an awn goal by Scam. One

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really had no idea how much support Christine

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Speaker 6: And from a business point of view, I mean, she's

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I've had mates who work in the banking industry

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Speaker 4: And I think the other thing too, is that the

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Speaker 4: And I don't know whether sco May was thinking that

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Speaker 1: Well, let's head back to the US briefly, and it

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Speaker 2: They're no doubt about it. In Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: She'd send us a video of, you know, of people

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Speaker 2: I think the worry is going to be the reaction

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Speaker 4: Going to be keeping a very close I don't know

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Speaker 3: I think they will. These shopkeepers with their shops.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, they're worried if Trump gets elected, because I

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Speaker 6: I think there's a legitimate concern if Trump loses and

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Speaker 5: But I think there's also a problem if Trump wins.

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Speaker 4: We've just had four years of people not accepting the result,

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Speaker 1: So I do reckon that if Biden were to win, that,

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Speaker 4: In fairness matter. You know, social media has bled into

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Speaker 5: I don't disagree with that.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've got such a divided media, Like you

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Speaker 3: On the most amazing show. But that's really the last joy.

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Speaker 4: Can you believe that a rural commission on Rupert Murdock?

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Speaker 6: Why?

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Speaker 4: Because Rupert Murdock sells a lot of newspapers and aims

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Speaker 6: It's absolutely that is absolutely absurd. But you do see

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Speaker 1: I think I just think it's unbelievable because.

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Speaker 5: I'm on Twitter, Guardian journalists.

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Speaker 6: The consensus for you on Twitter is generally the opposite

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Speaker 2: Creeping in on this show.

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Speaker 1: Well, Maddie and I aren't even journalists, so we don't

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Speaker 3: Sticking up for me in fairness, I stick up for

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Speaker 4: At least there's some effort, well at least there's some

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Speaker 3: I acknowledge it.

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Speaker 4: I a skew a little bit to the right. Well,

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Speaker 4: we just enough to wear a Trump T shirt into

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Speaker 1: I'm going to have to leave it there. Always great

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Speaker 1: to have you both in the studio. Dave Tolner and

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Speaker 1: very near future and keeping a very close eye on

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Speaker 1: the US election, the afikay, the Donald.

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Speaker 2: Out of control, out of control.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine's

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