1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Runda 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Bungelung Calcoton woman from Gadigl Country. I like the Daily 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: oz acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on the lands 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: of the Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and Torres Strain island and nations. We pay our respects 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: to the first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os It's Monday, 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: the fourth of September. I'm Sam Kazlowski. 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: I'm Zara Seidler. 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: It is a big week for the Daily Oas because 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: this week we officially go from a media company with 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: an Instagram, TikTok website and podcast to a media company 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: with our very own book. 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 3: That's right, we share the news with you a few 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: weeks ago that pre sales were open. We've been absolutely 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: blown away by the numbers we've seen on those pre sales. 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: But this week the book will finally be hitting the 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: shells at your favorite bookshop. To celebrate, we thought that 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: in today's Deep Dive, we share a little sneak peek 20 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 3: into the audiobook of chapter one and talk you through 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: what that process was like before we get into that, Sam. 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: What's making headlines this morning. 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: Opposition leader Peter Dudden has said he will hold a 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: referendum on constitutional recognition if the upcoming referendum fails and 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: the Coalition wins the next election. The Coalition supports the 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: recognition of first Nation's people in the Constitution, but not 27 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: the establishment of a constitutionally enshrined voice advisory body. 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: Australian house prices have risen for the sixth consecutive month. 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: According to property data firm core Logic. Property values rose 30 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: by zero point eight percent in August, with Brisbane, Sydney 31 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: and Adelaide experiencing the biggest growth. Hobart was the only 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: capital city where property values fell. 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: About seventy thousand people are stuck at the Burning Man 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: Festival in Nevada after heavy rain caused flooding across the site. 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: In the statement, festival organizes told participants to conserve food, 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: water and fuel and shelter in a warm, safe space. 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: The festival is scheduled to wrap up today. 38 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 3: And the good news. A volleyball game in the US 39 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: state of Nebraska has set a new world record for 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: the highest attended women's sport match in history. Over ninety 41 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 3: two thousand people watch that volleyball game between the University 42 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: of Nebraska and Omaha. 43 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: So we are just super excited to finally get to 44 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: the week where the little no silly questions book that could, 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: the little wood idea in our brains is actually going 46 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 2: to make it into bookshops. 47 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: We're going to feel it, look at it, sign it 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: when no one's looking. 49 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: Is that what you're planning on doing in airports or 50 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: in bookshops that kind of think? 51 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 3: I mean, you're going to kill time somehow. And you 52 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: have seen my signature. We actually signed a few hundred 53 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: books the other day for book Topia, and by the 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: end of it, I was writing someone else's name. 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: It was nice to start with Zara and then with Janis. 56 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: That was really lovely. But it's actually a really exciting 57 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: week for us. 58 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: We thought that a nice way to introduce you to 59 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: the book itself would be to play you a little 60 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: snippet of the audiobook and Sam, what was recording an 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: audiobook like for you? 62 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: So? 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: I have half diagnosed EDDIEHD. 64 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 3: Do you want to talk us through what are half diagnosed? 65 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 2: Casually diagnosed? Okay, the idea of sitting in a small 66 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: studio box thing. 67 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: It's really small for reference, it's like a single person. 68 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: Booth, and you can't really miss a word, like you 69 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: have to go on each individual word and nail It 70 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: took a long time and took a long time of 71 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: focusing very hard, and actually that night I sounded a 72 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: bit like. 73 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a bit like that. I have a 74 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: couple of friends who are also publishing books around this time, 75 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: and I really really resonated with something that Chanel Kontos said, 76 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: which was that she couldn't stop burping. I don't know 77 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: what it is. One of our listeners can explain that 78 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: to me, but it was a really strange thing to experience. 79 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: We're going to stop rambling now. You're also going to 80 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: hear my voice for the next couple of minutes, so 81 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 3: I'm especially going to stop rambling. But if you like 82 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: what you hear and you want to hear more or 83 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: read more, please go out and buy our book. We're 84 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: really proud to have it out in the world, and 85 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 3: we're really thankful for all your support. Without further ado, 86 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 3: here is the introduction to No Silly Questions. Hi Wizara 87 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: and Sam co founders of The Daily ods, there are 88 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: no silly questions. That's where we want to start this 89 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: news journey with you today with a very simple fact 90 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 3: that any question you have about the news is a 91 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: good one, a worthy one, and we're going to try 92 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: really hard to answer your questions in this book. The 93 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: news shouldn't feel overwhelming. Overwhelming either because you're struggling to 94 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 3: understand some of the key ideas that lie behind a 95 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: recent development. Why should I care about interest rates going 96 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 3: up when I don't know why interest rates matter, or 97 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: because you're reading so much that. 98 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: It's all getting on top of you. 99 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: The news can, in fact feel like a space you're 100 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: meant to be in, a space where it's okay for 101 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 3: ideas to develop, to be challenged, and where no question 102 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: is a silly one. Why are two twenty year olds 103 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: telling me how to feel about the news, we hear 104 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 3: you mutter from the other side of this book, A 105 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: very good question, dear listener. Well, the answer to that 106 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 3: is that we've been trying for the past few years 107 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 3: to build a media company that makes everyone feel like 108 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: the news is for them, even if they're not newspeople. 109 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: Building the Daily Ohs. In twenty seventeen, we started the 110 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: Daily Ohs. The mission back then and the one that 111 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: still drives us today, was to create a news service 112 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 3: that empowers young people to engage with the world around them. 113 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: For years, we'd heard things like young people are lazy 114 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: and they don't realize how good they've got it. Yet 115 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: when we were talking to our friends, all in their twenties, 116 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: the reality was different. Many felt like there was nowhere 117 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: for them to get information that was clear, concise, and 118 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: in their language. Importantly, they weren't out buying papers or 119 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: surfing the web, and there were no news outlets catering 120 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: to a social first generation. And so the Daily ODS 121 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: was born, the antidote to the opinion first, noisy news cycle, 122 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 3: a digestible and bite sized way to consume news which 123 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: explained the context behind a story, not just the headline 124 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: of the day. We weren't trying to make people change 125 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: their daily routines or consumption habits. 126 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 4: Instead, we wanted. 127 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: To meet young people where they were and ensure that 128 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: accurate and factual news was intercepting people mid doom scroll. 129 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: At the beginning, that looked like uploading five news items 130 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: to Instagram stories every single day. Despite both of us 131 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 3: working in other jobs. Crucially, the fifth story of every 132 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: bulletin would be a good news story, ensuring the reader 133 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: ended each interaction with the new news on a positive note. 134 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: In those early days, though our audience remained very small, 135 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: they were phenomenally engaged. This was our training ground where 136 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: we learned what young people need from their news, how 137 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: they best understand complex ideas, what traditional outlets expect them 138 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: to know, and how an issue moves from being a 139 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: story for the diehard current affairs consumer to a part 140 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: of everyday conversations we want to take part in. When 141 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: the COVID nineteen pandemic hit, we knew what to do. 142 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: We knew we had to bring the same level of 143 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: clarity to pandemic news as we had to other stories, 144 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: and we had to make sense of a seemingly incomprehensible news. 145 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 4: Event for our audience. 146 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: Rightly or wrongly, the pandemic forced everyone, regardless of their age, 147 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: socioeconomic status, race, or religion, to pay attention to the news. Suddenly, 148 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: news outlets had the answers about where you could go, 149 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: who you could see, and what you could do. The 150 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: exponential growth of our audience was a huge responsibility that 151 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: we didn't take lightly. We wanted to get it right 152 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: for them, keep them informed with the facts, but also identify. 153 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 4: When something was noise and not news. 154 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: It was about towing the line between informing and overwhelming, 155 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: and it relied on us listening and responding to our audience. Today, 156 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 3: that audience has grown considerably, with the Daily Os reaching 157 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 3: over one million young Australians every month. We have a 158 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 3: daily podcast, newsletter, TikTok video channel, website, and now a book. 159 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: Our intention for this book is for it to be 160 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 3: the world's best cheat sheet for understanding how the world works. 161 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 3: Think of it like a friend in your pocket that 162 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: you can whip out to explain all the big concepts 163 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: in life, but in a way that makes sense to you. 164 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: One challenge with writing the book is the ever changing 165 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: nature of news. We know how fast things move, from 166 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: changes in governments and regimes around the world to understanding 167 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,599 Speaker 3: pa endemics, science and technology. We've tried to include explainers 168 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: that will stay relevant and to which you can refer 169 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: when you need to. 170 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 4: Brush up on a topic. 171 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: Part of the problem, and therefore part of the reason 172 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: we wanted to write this book, is that most of 173 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: us weren't really taught a lot of this stuff growing up. 174 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 3: Unless you took an economic subject at high school or university, 175 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: it's not easy to understand superannuation, tax GST, inflation, GDP, 176 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: interest rates, tariffs, all currencies. That's not your fault, but 177 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: it's a problem that can be fixed by taking time 178 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: to read explainers on the big questions. You might feel 179 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: silly asking or don't even know how to go about asking. 180 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: So we hope you can use this book when you're 181 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 3: reading a news story about climate change, politics, technology, war 182 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: or money. Keep it handy and come back to a 183 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 3: specific chapter when you need to. For now, make yourself 184 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: a cup of tea, find yourself a sunny spot. Let's 185 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: get into all your questions, the ones you might think 186 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: are silly. 187 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the Daily OS. If you 188 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: want to grab a copy of the book, I've put 189 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: a link in today's show notes. Otherwise you can head 190 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: to your favorite real life bookstore from tomorrow. We'll be 191 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: back with a normal episode of The Daily OS tomorrow. 192 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: Until then, have a great week.