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Speaker 1: Mix one O four point nine dot com for all

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Speaker 1: the latest news and information. Now three sixty with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 1: Everyone is listening Mix one oh four point nine one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Percent n Joining me live in the studio is the

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Speaker 2: opposition leader, Leofanoki Airo. Good morning, Good morning Katie and

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Speaker 2: your listeners. Now, Leah, let's talk firstly about these hotspots.

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Speaker 2: We know that the City of Brisbane, Morton Bay Region,

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Speaker 2: City of Ipswich, Logan City, Redland City, to Woomba Region

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Speaker 2: and now the Byronshire Local Government Area in New South

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Speaker 2: Wales are all declared hotspots. In addition, we've got a

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Speaker 2: watch and wait which has been issued.

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Speaker 3: For the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 2: Leah, I think we all agree we need to be

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Speaker 2: vigilant and adhere to the health advice when it comes

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Speaker 2: to these hot spots. But there are concerns from businesses.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the way in which we're managing

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Speaker 2: these borders at the moment is the best way of

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Speaker 2: doing things.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think hotsplit management has been incredibly effective and

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Speaker 4: we've led by example.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 4: It is a terrible thing though, I mean, into one

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Speaker 4: day everything's okay, to the next day all of a

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Speaker 4: sudden hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people are

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Speaker 4: cut off from their plans to travel within our country.

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Speaker 4: That obviously has a huge impact on local businesses, whether

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Speaker 4: it's the flight industry, the hotel industry, you know, restaurants

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Speaker 4: and other tool providers. So it's hugely disruptive, there's no

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Speaker 4: question about that. But I think, you know, it just

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Speaker 4: reinforces for me that we can't get this vaccine roll

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Speaker 4: out out quick enough. You know, we really have to

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Speaker 4: just smash that out and get people vaccinated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there has been questions raised nationally today as to

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Speaker 2: whether that vaccine rollout is sort of happening as quickly as.

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Speaker 3: It should be.

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Speaker 2: I haven't got the most up to date numbers for

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Speaker 2: the territory, but I can only assume that we are

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Speaker 2: keeping up with things in the way in which we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have the latest figures for the territory either, Kadi,

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure if we had the government on, they'd

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Speaker 4: say everything was fantastic, and look, maybe it is.

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Speaker 5: We'll never know because they'd never tell us the truth.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if there is any way to fast

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Speaker 4: track some of that stuff, all the better, because you know,

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Speaker 4: we really need to ensure that we've got that level

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Speaker 4: of immunity in our community, and that in turn, I

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Speaker 4: suppose we'll ease off this pressure of having to react

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Speaker 4: as dramatically to hot spots and hopefully level everything out

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Speaker 2: I mean, really, though, even as that vaccine rolls out,

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Speaker 2: is it going to give us a certainty that we want?

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Speaker 2: I mean, earlier this week the Chief Minister still went

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Speaker 2: did ask the Health Minister about that yesterday and she

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Speaker 2: said that, look, you know, obviously it's got to have

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Speaker 2: the second phase of that vaccine and you've got to

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Speaker 2: make sure that you're doing everything appropriately. But it does

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Speaker 2: sort of beg the question as to whether we are

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Speaker 2: going to see that certainty that we're all hoping for

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Speaker 2: once the population's vaccinated.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's certainly the message we've been sold, and I

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Speaker 4: would like to think that that is true. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if we have whatever the critical mass of Australians is

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Speaker 4: I thought the whole idea was then that we can

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Speaker 4: I'm certainly very supportive of the vaccine. I would encourage

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Speaker 4: everyone that second category of Territorians is now open. I

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Speaker 4: think if you are over seventy and a bunch of

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Speaker 4: other factors, but please get in touch with your GP

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Speaker 4: and get vaccinated as soon as you can so we

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Speaker 2: Now, Leah, as these you know, as we have these

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Speaker 2: situations and these hotspots have declared as we've touched on,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's obviously a health issue, but it's also

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Speaker 2: an issue for the economy, and it's also very much

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: It's not an either all. I feel like we've said

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Speaker 6: this before, but it's health and the economy together jointly.

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Speaker 6: And we do believe now that the MTG, the government

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Speaker 6: of all Territorians, then now that job keepers ended, they

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Speaker 6: overnight without some level of government support a commensurate to

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Speaker 3: I mean, lea, is something like this even viable.

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Speaker 4: Well, look not when you have an eight point four

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Speaker 4: billion dollar debt. And that's a really important part of

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Speaker 4: managing the books. You know, when you are a government,

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Speaker 4: you have to manage things responsibly because you.

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Speaker 5: Don't know what rainy day money you're going to need.

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Speaker 4: And perhaps if our books were in a healthier position,

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Speaker 4: we would have that opportunity to back in and support

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Speaker 4: businesses even more than you know, the federal government already has.

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Speaker 4: But I think that's you know, I think it's a

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Speaker 4: valid point that Alex makes. And obviously the industry is,

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Speaker 4: you know, really at crisis point when these things happen

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Speaker 4: in our tourism industry, you know, are struggling immensely with

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Speaker 4: you know, you add crime then on top of that

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Speaker 4: and it's a perfect storm. But you know, it really

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Speaker 4: comes back to this is why you have to manage

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Speaker 4: your books. Really, we because you never know when you

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Speaker 4: need that money in your back pocket to come in

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Speaker 4: and support different initiatives.

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Speaker 2: Speaking about business and some of those tourism operators that

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Speaker 2: are finding it quite tough at the moment, the situation

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Speaker 2: with the expedition cruise ships is another one which is

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Speaker 2: creating concerns for the tourism sector. Perciently, the Minister all

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Speaker 2: but ruled out allowing these smaller ships to the top end.

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Speaker 3: Is this the right decision?

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Speaker 2: I mean we're talking here about juggling health and obviously

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Speaker 2: juggling the needs of our different sectors who require support.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really don't understand this one. And again, you

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Speaker 4: know we've seen really inconsistent rollout of the rules around COVID.

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Speaker 4: So right now, you know, a whole planeload, what's three

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Speaker 4: hundred people can fly in from Adelaide land and walk

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Speaker 4: I think that's the contrast. And people can understand that

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Speaker 4: perhaps being on a boat is a slightly higher risk

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Speaker 4: profile because if someone does have it, it could be transmitted faster. Equally,

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Speaker 4: we know that that industry is put in place such

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Speaker 4: It doesn't really make sense.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that this is one of those decisions

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Speaker 2: it maybe needs to be reviewed?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 4: If there are one hundred and five people on an boat,

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Speaker 4: Australian people on a boat coming to Darwin using that

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Speaker 4: we're treating them so differently. And at the same time,

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Speaker 4: we can have international vessels arriving at Culum Bay to

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Speaker 4: understand this is a very complex and difficult thing to manage,

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Speaker 4: and we've done an excellent job and keeping territory and

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Speaker 4: safe as our absolute priority. But we're talking about Australians

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that it is one of those ones

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Speaker 2: also comes down to resourcing. If there was a breakout

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Speaker 2: it would be quite a difficult thing to be able

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Speaker 2: why can't we allow a smaller vessel into the territory

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Speaker 2: is one which I know the sector is going to be.

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Speaker 4: Asking and it's it's concerning as well. I mean, what

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Speaker 4: is our outbreak capacity? Then? You know, if one hundred

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Speaker 4: territories need to better understand that because you know, Heaven forbid,

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Speaker 5: Of those things.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it just seems quite inconsistent and a missed opportunity.

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Speaker 4: And people are very respectful and understanding of the processes,

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Speaker 4: but it just seems very inconsistent when you've got flights

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Speaker 2: Lea, I do want to ask you, I mean you

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Speaker 2: for youth legislation. You know how it's going to exactly

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Speaker 2: come into play now. On Monday, the Chief Minister, Michael

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Speaker 2: Gunner said that he hoped that May would be when

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's possible?

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Speaker 4: Look, you know, anything's possible. But it just again reinforces

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Speaker 4: that this government hasn't actually prepared anything. I mean, Monday

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Speaker 4: the week before the Chief Minister alluded to in something

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Speaker 4: similar to ours, our legislation, which obviously was very specifically

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Speaker 4: They on Monday announced this suite of hodgepodge things that

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Speaker 4: you know, they matched a heap of strong words together

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Speaker 4: to be in the detail, and the reality is nothing

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Speaker 4: is drafted. So yes, they could possibly have some laws

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Speaker 4: drafted by May. We know not all of them will

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Speaker 4: be ready, and they could move that on urgency. But

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Speaker 4: again it just takes me back to the fact that

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Speaker 4: our legislation was ready to go. We spent months drafting

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Speaker 4: could see a completely different approach to that revolving door

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Speaker 4: debating either legislation until May.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we have.

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Speaker 2: Still got the likes of Naja nt course and others

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Speaker 2: and things like that are a much better approach. That's

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Speaker 2: obviously the recommendations of the Royal Commission as well. I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously you've got the Association, the Police Association saying look,

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Speaker 2: we really need a clear timeline here so that police

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Speaker 2: and can't deal with some of these issues. But then

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Speaker 2: on the other side, you've obviously got the likes of

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Speaker 2: nahja're an nt cost saying hang on a second, we're

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Speaker 2: taking a step backwards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, and they'll always be that, you know, the furs

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Speaker 4: and against. But the reality is this. We know that

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Speaker 4: seventy percent of all people arrested by Strikeforce VIPER were

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Speaker 4: repeat offenders. We know that fifty percent of all youth

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Speaker 4: arrested across the territory last year were on bail at

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Speaker 4: the time of their arrest.

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Speaker 5: Something needs to be done.

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Speaker 4: People are being victimized at alarming rates. This government has

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Speaker 4: taken only a therapeutic approach and that has driven up crime.

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Speaker 4: So yes, we need a therapeutic approach. We need to

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Speaker 4: be doing that generation or change. We need all that

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Speaker 4: work in the background, but it can't be done to

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Speaker 4: the exclusion of dealing with people who are repeat offenders,

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Speaker 4: have absolutely no regard for the law and are happy

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Speaker 4: to go along every night, be arrested, be bawd, and

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Speaker 4: go and commit further crimes. And that's they're the people

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Speaker 4: our laws were targeting, those people who have constant disregard

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Speaker 4: for the law and for other people's right to live

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Speaker 4: a safe and quiet, peaceful life where they just go

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Speaker 4: about their business.

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Speaker 5: So the gun and government.

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Speaker 4: Their laws do not go as far as ours. And

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Speaker 4: of course the devil will be in the detail. They're

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Speaker 4: going to spend the next two months trying to make

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Speaker 4: it sound super tough. I think what will happen is

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Speaker 4: they will cave under the pressure from the organizations who

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Speaker 4: are saying, no, we're moving too far away from the

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Speaker 4: Royal Commission. And I think what we can expect to

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Speaker 4: see and may will be pretty pathetic.

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Speaker 2: So you reckon, they're not actually going to do what

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Speaker 2: they've said they're going to do. You reckon, They're going

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Speaker 2: to take a step back.

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Speaker 4: I think they'll take a step back. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: be comparing what they've said and what they actually do,

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Speaker 4: very very closely, Katie, and I will certainly let you

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Speaker 4: and your listeners know what I uncover.

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Speaker 5: But there's a lot of water to go under this bridge.

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Speaker 4: May is a long time away for the Gun government

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Speaker 4: to get shaky at the knees with what it already

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Speaker 4: is pretty weak reform, So I'm not holding my breath,

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Speaker 4: that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Time will tell. Leah Finocchiaro, always good to catch up

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Speaker 2: with you. Always appreciate your time on a Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thanks Katie. Take care everyone,