Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Indie Clinton
Speaker 1: hunts down trolls with the help of a PI so
Speaker 1: for Dopha Islam for being clueless after her kmart Hale,
Speaker 1: Tullie Smythe and Michael Staples surprise passed, and Ella Ding
Speaker 1: defends her decision to monetize her pregnancy announcement. But first,
Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has taken a dig at her husband Matsakowski
Speaker 1: while she's away in Egypt.
Speaker 2: Isn't his Egypt trip very random?
Speaker 1: She is currently there hosting fans on an aw Adventurer event.
Speaker 1: It is the second trip that she's done with the
Speaker 1: travel company, and listeners will remember that late last year
Speaker 1: she hosted fans on a trip in Greece, which got
Speaker 1: a lot of flat for being very expensive. Now, Matsakowski
Speaker 1: didn't attend the trip to Greece, and it's clear he's
Speaker 1: not in Egypt at the moment with Tammy. He's in
Speaker 1: Melbourne hanging out with his family and his sister's Golden retriever.
Speaker 1: It's like he wants everyone to know he's in Melbourne.
Speaker 1: That's the vibe that I'm getting now going back to
Speaker 1: this trip, it spans eight days and it is incredibly
Speaker 1: expensive for fans, so a private room will set you
Speaker 1: back over seven five hundred dollars, whilst a twin room
Speaker 1: costs around six thousand dollars. I mean, you may as
Speaker 1: well go for the private room. I don't really get
Speaker 1: the connection between Tammy and Egypt because it's being promoted
Speaker 1: that she's going to be helping guide the tour. I
Speaker 1: laughed when I read that, because she is going to
Speaker 1: be appearing alongside an Egyptologist. I believe that's how you
Speaker 1: renounce it, so basically someone who is an expert in
Speaker 1: Egyptian history. And it's funny because on the website it
Speaker 1: says that they will ensure an unforgettable adventure filled with history,
Speaker 1: culture and connection. I'm assuming that Tammy's role is bringing
Speaker 1: the connection amongst the group, not the history side of things.
Speaker 1: It seems like she's learnt a lot already on this trip.
Speaker 1: She's been gushing about a lot of the historical facts
Speaker 1: that she's learned along the way, because they've been doing
Speaker 1: a lot of activity. So they've included explore wearing the
Speaker 1: Pyramids of Geezer, sailing the Nile at sunset, They've done
Speaker 1: a traditional dinner, they visited temples.
Speaker 2: They've also done a.
Speaker 1: Cooking class and enjoyed a sunrise over the Sphinx.
Speaker 2: So it seems like it's been a very cultural trip.
Speaker 1: Was the traditional dinner that thing where I saw there
Speaker 1: was this guy making some sort of meal and he
Speaker 1: spoonfed Tammy hembro. I must have miss that. It was
Speaker 1: rather awkward. I was surprised it ended up on her story. Well,
Speaker 1: Tammy has been sharing about all of the women on
Speaker 1: the trip, so she put up a post where she
Speaker 1: tagged every single follower slash fan who was there. I
Speaker 1: wonder if that is part of what they're paying for,
Speaker 1: exposure to her millions and millions of followers, or just
Speaker 1: the fact that they get to hang out with her. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's definitely just hanging out with Tammy. I wonder if
Speaker 1: they're trying to get all the details on the potential
Speaker 1: marriage breakdown. I mean, she has been wearing her rings
Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, I was surprised to see she was
Speaker 1: wearing her rings. Also from a safety perspective, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be traveling with that massive diamond on my finger. Now.
Speaker 1: While exploring the temples, Tammy appeared to make a subtle
Speaker 1: dig at her austraynge her husband, Matt Sakowski. So she
Speaker 1: shared a photo of a tomb and wrote, he built
Speaker 1: this temple dedicated to his wife because he loved her
Speaker 1: so much. Okay, I want to point out that I
Speaker 1: am nowhere close to being an Egyptologist, but I did
Speaker 1: do a bit of research into this tomb, and apparently
Speaker 1: the pharaoh in question who helped build it described his
Speaker 1: wife as his favorite wife. I mean, that's a good thing,
Speaker 1: and referred to her as the one whom the sun
Speaker 1: shines for. So it was very romantic. So on one hand,
Speaker 1: we've got this guy four thousand years ago building a
Speaker 1: temple out of sand to show how much he loved
Speaker 1: and respected his wife. Fast forward to twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: and we've got Matt Szakowski and Tammy hembro unfollowing each
Speaker 1: other weeks before their nupt she was not living in
Speaker 1: the same state, and Matt, who was sliding into girls
Speaker 1: dms after the Grand Prix. So romance seems to be dead.
Speaker 2: This century.
Speaker 1: I do have to stick up for Matt at least
Speaker 1: he doesn't have multiple wives like the pharaoh. Home back
Speaker 1: online for good and and that's that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Tiktoki.
Speaker 1: Indy Clinton has put her trolls on warning after experiencing
Speaker 1: relentless online harassment over her recent nose job. The mother
Speaker 1: of three has called in reinforcements Gate. Now, we have
Speaker 1: spoken in length about how awful the trolling of Indy
Speaker 1: Clinton has been, so if you wrote an article about
Speaker 1: it for Mama Mia, it got to a point where
Speaker 1: other content creators and media organizations had to step in
Speaker 1: and call the behavior out. I just haven't been able
Speaker 1: to comprehend how nasty people have been. The commentary has
Speaker 1: been next level, particularly when Indy has been so vulnerable
Speaker 1: and honest about the procedure in the first place. She
Speaker 1: didn't have to share the news with her audience. In fact,
Speaker 1: she said that she was actually considering hiding it from
Speaker 1: her audience because she didn't want to look like she
Speaker 1: was promoting plastic surgery as something that.
Speaker 2: Was just normal and every day to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and due to the trolling, she went on a
Speaker 1: social media hiatus, but she returned about a month ago,
Speaker 1: and she's been posting as normal. And she actually shared
Speaker 1: a Q and A this week and addressed a followers
Speaker 1: question about the recent trolling incident. So in it, she
Speaker 1: revealed that she's been working with a PI for a
Speaker 1: few months to find out who are behind the accounts
Speaker 1: who continuously bullied to fame and harass her and her family.
Speaker 2: Do we think that these are tattle life accounts?
Speaker 1: Well? She referenced that the behavior is happening on Instagram, TikTok,
Speaker 1: Reddit and other forums. I noticed that no one ever
Speaker 1: wants to name tattle Life. I can see why. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: she wrote, The anonymous accounts and the faceless people hiding
Speaker 1: behind them need to be held accountable. I'm here to
Speaker 1: make a change for my children, your children, your nieces
Speaker 1: and nephews. She went on to say, no change is
Speaker 1: made if no change is done. I'm here to make
Speaker 1: an impact and a difference. I'm absolutely shocked who these
Speaker 1: people are. That's all I can say for now, as
Speaker 1: it's an ongoing investigation. This is quite interesting because a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, we were approached by some influencers
Speaker 1: who I'm not going to name who they are they
Speaker 1: were micro influencers who have been harassed on Tattle, and
Speaker 1: they too were doing their own the investigation and deep
Speaker 1: dive into some of these faceless trolls on these sort
Speaker 1: of forums. So it seems like influencers are really hitting back. Well,
Speaker 1: I can see why they're going to these measures to
Speaker 1: try and protect themselves because there isn't actually a specific
Speaker 1: anti trolling law. Back in twenty twenty one, there was
Speaker 1: hope that the government will pass this specific social media
Speaker 1: anti trolling bill which would protect social media users from
Speaker 1: online harm. And the whole preface was that social media
Speaker 1: companies were going to be held accountable for the defamatory
Speaker 1: content posted by users, and it was also going to
Speaker 1: make it easier for victims to identify anonymous trolls because
Speaker 1: social media companies were going to be forced to unmask
Speaker 1: them so that the victims of trolling could pursue legal action. Unfortunately, though,
Speaker 1: that bill was not passed and it's no longer being
Speaker 1: considered because there was a lot of criticism around it.
Speaker 1: People said it was rushed, it wasn't comprehensive enough, and
Speaker 1: it was too narrowly focused on defamation. So I can
Speaker 1: see why influencers are now saying, well, I've got to
Speaker 1: take it into my own hands and unmask the troll
Speaker 1: because once you actually know who the people are, there
Speaker 1: are legal avenues you can go down. So of course
Speaker 1: you can sue for defamation. You can also report trolls
Speaker 1: to the police for things like cyberstalking, threats of violence,
Speaker 1: or repeated unwanted contact. I also think when it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, that if you are unmasked and you're
Speaker 1: named and shamed online, or have the prospect of being
Speaker 1: named and shamed, you're probably going.
Speaker 2: To back off from doing well.
Speaker 1: It's not so much about unmasking them to name and
Speaker 1: shame them, it's unmasking them so that the person who's
Speaker 1: being harassed can actually take legal action. Yes, and I
Speaker 1: also think that some influencers like Indie are speaking publicly
Speaker 1: about the lengths they're going to in order to scare
Speaker 1: people into stopping and thinking about what they're doing. Even
Speaker 1: how she said that you will be absolutely shocked to
Speaker 1: see that these are just everyday people. I mean, I
Speaker 1: recently jumped onto a tattle thread and I saw one
Speaker 1: of the users outlined that they worked as a doctor.
Speaker 1: Now they weren't necessarily bulling or harassing anyone. But they
Speaker 1: were contributing to a thread about some local influences and
Speaker 1: basically saying well, calling into question their work ethic and
Speaker 1: saying it's hard when you have a proper job like
Speaker 1: a doctor's. I mean, it was interesting their perspective. But
Speaker 1: again I think that people aren't actually aware that a
Speaker 1: lot of people who were trolling others, they have very
Speaker 1: professional backgrounds. They work in high paying and high flying jobs.
Speaker 1: We do need to remember they're not everyone that participates
Speaker 1: on tutle life is a troll. There is a difference
Speaker 1: between people that are constantly abusing and harassing influencers and
Speaker 1: then people that want to hold maybe some bad behavior
Speaker 1: that they did to account. But I think the issue
Speaker 1: with tatle is it becomes an echo chamber and the
Speaker 1: people who may have just jumped on because oh I
Speaker 1: didn't like how that influencer did this or that, then
Speaker 1: they become radicalized in a way.
Speaker 2: Well, remember there was a.
Speaker 1: Woman behind an account which was born basically off tatle
Speaker 1: Life called Salty's Day, where it just focused on Sarah's
Speaker 1: Day's indiscretions, and it was later revealed that the woman
Speaker 1: who run was actually a teacher and everyone was shocked
Speaker 1: to hear that that was her job. And also I
Speaker 1: think her husband or boyfriend had no idea that she
Speaker 1: was running this account and someone actually docks her to
Speaker 1: her partner and that's why she shut it down in
Speaker 1: terms of Indie when I was looking into the legalities
Speaker 1: around what she can do, it's quite interesting the fact
Speaker 1: that she lives in New South Wales because there's also
Speaker 1: Dolly's Law which was passed by the New South Wales
Speaker 1: government in twenty eighteen. So the law is named in
Speaker 1: memory of Dolly Everett, who very tragically died by suicide
Speaker 1: after sustained cyberbulling. So this new law criminalizes cyberbullying and
Speaker 1: has strengthened penalties for online abuse. Surely, if you're one
Speaker 1: of these cretins who's been trolling Indie Clinton, you'd be sweating.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a bone to pick with all of you,
Speaker 3: because who was going to tell me the Kmart clothes eight.
Speaker 1: Kmart's PR team is rejoicing after jen z It Girl
Speaker 1: Sofa Dofer declared the store is officially in its slay
Speaker 1: era when it comes to fashion. Whilst it's a win
Speaker 1: for the discount department store. The fashion TikToker was slammed
Speaker 1: for being late the party, with many labeling her clueless
Speaker 1: and out of touch. So if it's quite clear that
Speaker 1: Sofa isn't on the same side of TikTok, that the
Speaker 1: rest of us are no bless her though, because she
Speaker 1: seemed genuinely excited to break this news about Kmart to
Speaker 1: her followers. It was as though she thought that she'd
Speaker 1: uncovered some sort of hack or this well kept secret.
Speaker 1: I mean, when it comes to fashion, generally she is
Speaker 1: the one who is dictating the trends and jumping on
Speaker 1: things first. But in this case, it was just so
Speaker 1: awkward how much of a late comer she was to
Speaker 1: this one. I mean, she seemed to be in disbelief
Speaker 1: that some of the dupes on offer, and she even
Speaker 1: asked her followers why people have been gatekeeping Kmart's clothes.
Speaker 1: She also put together a hole to show her followers.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to some of what she said.
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a bone to pick with all of you,
Speaker 3: because who was going to tell me the Kmart clothes eat?
Speaker 3: Why are we all gatekeeping? Orso? Why do I look
Speaker 3: like this I'm so sorry. I'm going to do a
Speaker 3: hall because I was in Ka yesterday getting homewares and
Speaker 3: I checked it out. I was leaving and I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: because I never go through the kmart clothes because random,
Speaker 3: and I was like literally picking up everything. So I
Speaker 3: want to do a hat because I'm like a little
Speaker 3: bit shoogar, like, okay, came out, Capriz Okay, like cutest
Speaker 3: bag I've ever seen, for like eight dollars? Do you
Speaker 3: hear me? How much was this twenty dollars? This would
Speaker 3: cost like one hundred dollars anywhere else? Who was gonna
Speaker 3: tell me? Who was gonna tell me? Why are you
Speaker 3: all gate keeping?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 3: Like, why is anyone talking about this? How much was
Speaker 3: this twelve dollars? Twelve dollars?
Speaker 1: Well? Might it not mind? Tom? It was so awkward
Speaker 1: because the general consensus in the comments section was that
Speaker 1: nobody has been gatekeeping kmart clothes. In fact, there are
Speaker 1: quite a number of TikTokers who have literally built followings
Speaker 1: from sharing their Kmart fashion fines.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One user wrote, literally, no one was gatekeeping. I thought
Speaker 1: this was common knowledge, to which Sofa replied what another said, Babe,
Speaker 1: everyone is talking about it, to which Sofa replied, I've
Speaker 1: been living under a rock. It's just so surprising for
Speaker 1: someone like Sofa Dofer, who practically lives on TikTok, for
Speaker 1: her not to come across any of these videos. I
Speaker 1: question how Kmart's blue shirt dish Jube has not made
Speaker 1: its way into her for U page. Maybe because fashion
Speaker 1: TikTok is her job. When she is taking a break
Speaker 1: and having a scroll on the app, maybe she's looking
Speaker 1: at completely different style. I'm interesting to know what her
Speaker 1: algorithm is actually made up of.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Her seemingly innocent hale seem to also elicit a very
Speaker 1: angry response from some followers, who felt her video proved just.
Speaker 2: How out of touch she's become.
Speaker 1: One user wrote, normal living Australians who aren't rich know
Speaker 1: that Kmart has good clothes with a laughing face now.
Speaker 1: That comment received over five thousand likes, whilst another said
Speaker 1: our tax bracket differences are showing, which got over three
Speaker 1: thousand likes now. Sofa actually responded to that comment, writing
Speaker 1: how I just didn't realize that they had nice.
Speaker 2: Clothes with a crying face.
Speaker 1: In response to Sofa, another user hit back saying because
Speaker 1: none of US can shop anywhere but here, So this
Speaker 1: is giving clueless to the current money situation in this country.
Speaker 2: There was also a lot.
Speaker 1: Of comments regarding Sofa being so flippant about the cost
Speaker 1: of things, because she was like, oh, this was just
Speaker 1: oh hang on, let me check the price. Twelve dollars.
Speaker 1: Can you believe it. A lot of people were saying,
Speaker 1: oh God, when I go clothes shopping, I'm having to
Speaker 1: memorize exactly how much things are so I can see
Speaker 1: if they can fit into my budget. Even when she
Speaker 1: was showing this particular bag, she's like, oh, this bag
Speaker 1: was about eight dollars, and then she's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: actually it was twenty dollars, Like obviously that's not expensive.
Speaker 1: But she's like, oh, generally a bag like this would
Speaker 1: cost one hundred dollars, and.
Speaker 2: I thought yeah.
Speaker 1: And the fact that she said she was so busy
Speaker 1: that she just grabbed all of these clothing and it
Speaker 1: all came to one hundred and fifty dollars, which is
Speaker 1: like nothing. It's like, well, yes, in the scheme of
Speaker 1: getting i don't know, six or seven items, yes, that's
Speaker 1: pretty good when you compare it to other shops. But
Speaker 1: then being able to drop that money so easily, like
Speaker 1: so many of us.
Speaker 2: Would have had to budget for that whole. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Whilst this hasn't been a particularly good PR move for
Speaker 1: Sofa Dofa, it's been great for Kmar. And there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of cynics who have questioned is this an
Speaker 1: orchestrated PR campaign by Kmart? I mean, all I can
Speaker 1: say is it doesn't appear to be. I think that
Speaker 1: this was a genuine post. She didn't use any paid
Speaker 1: partnership tools. Kmart hasn't commented on the post. It seems
Speaker 1: to have.
Speaker 2: Been an organic discovery.
Speaker 1: I think she was just trying to create content that
Speaker 1: resonated with people, and she's known for creating so many
Speaker 1: halls yeah, just random things. I mean, it just shocks
Speaker 1: me that she has her own clothing line called All
Speaker 1: for Mimi, and she hasn't really done any research into
Speaker 1: the market, into competitors, Like I understand that her clothing
Speaker 1: is sold at a higher price point, but you think
Speaker 1: you would look at it and say, okay, so these
Speaker 1: are this is where kmart sits, This is where you
Speaker 1: sit on the scale, and this is like a higher
Speaker 1: end brand now, particularly when Jupe fashion is so popular.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Kmart and Targets seem to be
Speaker 1: doing best of at the moment. I do think it
Speaker 1: was a clever way, though, to try and initiate a
Speaker 1: deal with Kmar in the future. I wonder if this
Speaker 1: will lead to a partnership deal. I think if I
Speaker 1: was Kmart, I'd jump on the opportunity, particularly to get
Speaker 1: some more gen zetters into the store. Many people also
Speaker 1: did point out in Sofa's comment section the Target is
Speaker 1: also popping off. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really love Kmart's clothes. I know
Speaker 1: you got around that Jupe dish shirt.
Speaker 2: Oh I was so quick to get that.
Speaker 1: But I'm not someone I don't have an eye for fashion.
Speaker 1: I need someone to say this item at KMA is
Speaker 1: really good. That's what everyone is doing online, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. People are taking the guess work out
Speaker 1: for you, which is why people are like, how a
Speaker 1: Sofa do for not being.
Speaker 2: Aware of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I managed to go on Target's website and
Speaker 1: actually open things and be like, oh, I actually genuinely
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, Target's great at the moment.
Speaker 1: The thing is, it's not just k Mart's pr team
Speaker 1: who's had a big win over this post. The store
Speaker 1: design team would be celebrating after hearing that Sofa only
Speaker 1: made the chance discovery about Kmart's clothes as she was
Speaker 1: checking out. So those of us trendsetters who have been
Speaker 1: in on kmart secret for quite a while now know
Speaker 1: that the store has been specifically designed to have the
Speaker 1: cash registers slap bang in the middle of the store.
Speaker 1: I actually hated it when they changed the store up
Speaker 1: like that. It's so clever because it means you have
Speaker 1: to go into the heart of the store, You're more
Speaker 1: likely to walk past something that you like, and it
Speaker 1: increases your chances of impulse buying. So I've never really
Speaker 1: you know, like with the impulse buying with kids, but
Speaker 1: now that I have a kid, I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: fucking cruel. My Jack at at the stage now where
Speaker 1: he loves pointing at things. I haven't had an instance
Speaker 1: where I've had to buy him anything from the shop yet,
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's just coming. Well. I'm not
Speaker 1: even thinking about kids. I'm thinking about myself as a magpie.
Speaker 1: Anything shining I see, I'll take that. I'll take that.
Speaker 1: The thing with Sofa is she may have never bothered
Speaker 1: to venture into what she presumed was daggy Kmart clothes
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for how the.
Speaker 2: Shop was laid out. So hats off to them.
Speaker 1: It's paid off for them, But it's not like it's
Speaker 1: a new store layout, like it's been like that for
Speaker 1: a couple of years now. Yeah, but it's paying off
Speaker 1: of them. Is she just not shopping at Kmart a lot?
Speaker 1: I would like to know how many of the pieces
Speaker 1: that sofa showed in the hole are now sold out,
Speaker 1: because I feel like Kmart would be experiencing the full.
Speaker 2: Sofa do for effect.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm such a sheep. I was like pausing hanging,
Speaker 1: like which one was it? What? Which one?
Speaker 3: Does?
Speaker 1: She say? Is cool, because I've got no idea. See
Speaker 1: I looked at those clothes, tho not for me. They're
Speaker 1: definitely Jens clothes.
Speaker 2: Well I thought they were ugly.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I really don't know anything about fashions.
Speaker 1: I discovered that burgundy and marone apparently the colors of winter.
Speaker 1: I actually none of those in my wardrobe. I knew
Speaker 1: that and that chocolate brown. I met Michael, my husband,
Speaker 1: when he was working at Channel nine this week we
Speaker 1: shared an influencer family tree of sorts. Amy ended up
Speaker 1: creating this in between her feeds, so she wanted to
Speaker 1: demonstrate the six degrees of separation between some of Australia's
Speaker 1: top influencers. And what seemed to shock a lot of people,
Speaker 1: including myself, was the revelation that former Big Brother contestant
Speaker 1: Tully smythe to date love islander Anna Macavoy's husband Michael Staples.
Speaker 1: When I saw that, I was like, hang on, it
Speaker 1: kind of does make sense. I thought he looked familiar,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't quite put my finger on white. Before
Speaker 1: Amy posted it, I had to confirm with it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you sure that you're not confusing him with her
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend Daniel because I saw work the saying they do.
Speaker 2: Look very similar.
Speaker 1: Well, it's clear that Michael also has a type for
Speaker 1: blonde reality stars. So Tully and Michael actually started dating
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty during the Melbourne Lockdown, and Tully
Speaker 1: soft launched the relationship several times during the pandemic, gushing
Speaker 1: that she couldn't survive Lockdown without him. I think I
Speaker 1: would like to be reincarnated as one of Tully's Smyth's
Speaker 1: boyfriends because the way she gases them up when she's
Speaker 1: dating them is next level. Like this guy's sweet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so sweet. Like the guy that she's dating at
Speaker 1: the moment. Ned he's a dentist from Melbourne. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: She literally just.
Speaker 1: Worships the ground he walks on. I mean, he seems
Speaker 1: like a lovely guy. To Fair, I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: guy lovely? What a sweetheart?
Speaker 2: She really like?
Speaker 1: She's well, I think she has got a marketing degree,
Speaker 1: but she'd be great for public relations. She's almost doing
Speaker 1: herself a disservice, though, because I'm sure that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of single girls who were like, maybe I should
Speaker 1: slide into his DMS like, oh lovely. Well, anyway, since
Speaker 1: her breakup with Michael, all of the photos of them
Speaker 1: were swiftly deleted, which I personally was gutted about because
Speaker 1: I had this real sick thing where I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just want to see a photo of them together. I
Speaker 1: can't even imagine them together because I look at Michael
Speaker 1: Staples and I'm like, that's Anamacvoy's husband. Like, I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine him with someone else. It's not like he's
Speaker 1: a public figure himself. Yeah, I was wondering how has
Speaker 1: he met these reality TV stars? And it turns out
Speaker 1: that he used to work for Channel nine in Melbourne
Speaker 1: as a group business manager, so he started working there
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. He stopped in twenty twenty three. So
Speaker 1: with Big Brother moving to Channel nine in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: you'd assume that Tully, who was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: faces of the program, would have been invited to a
Speaker 1: lot of Channel nine events and that's where she presumably
Speaker 1: met Michael. He also appeared on Big Brother again recently,
Speaker 1: but that was in twenty twenty two, once they'd broken up.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I see, but we know that Anna met
Speaker 1: Michael at a Channel nine function. So Love Island Australia
Speaker 1: is a Channel nine program, and she explained recently on
Speaker 1: her podcast that she and Matt Zukowski were appearing together
Speaker 1: at a promotional event for Channel nine and she actually
Speaker 1: spotted Michael across the room and she had this instant
Speaker 1: connection with him and said, I've got to go up
Speaker 1: to him, I've got to approach him. And it's lucky
Speaker 1: she did, because Michael assumed that she and Matt were
Speaker 1: one of the couples off Love Island and that they
Speaker 1: were together. So he thought obviously that she was very attractive.
Speaker 1: But though I've got no chance here, they actually do
Speaker 1: look good together Anna and Matt. I remember when they
Speaker 1: first launched their podcast, they drew people in by pretending
Speaker 1: that they were getting together. Yeah, I know, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of confusion about that at the time. They
Speaker 1: really played into it. Now I want to finish on
Speaker 1: a bit of a fun fact here. Before Michael met Tully,
Speaker 1: he was actually working over in the UK as a
Speaker 1: group head for ESPN. And when we reflect on Tully's
Speaker 1: most recent ex Daniel, who again looks very similar to Michael,
Speaker 1: it's quite interesting because he actually ended up moving to
Speaker 1: the US to work for ESPN, and that's why their
Speaker 1: relationship eventually ended.
Speaker 2: So did he take his job?
Speaker 1: Well, no, because Michael was working in the UK. Oh
Speaker 1: us UK. Okay, Well, god, they're very similar.
Speaker 2: Are you nervous We're having a baby? How does that
Speaker 2: feel for you?
Speaker 1: Ella Ding has defended her decision to monetize her pregnancy announcement.
Speaker 1: Last week, the former Maths contestant revealed she was expecting
Speaker 1: her first baby via a sponsored post with.
Speaker 2: Clear Blue okay.
Speaker 1: Now. The backlash was swift, with even her former bestie
Speaker 1: Dom criticizing Ellert for monetizing her pregnancy announcement. Ello responded
Speaker 1: to the criticism in an interview, saying it was a
Speaker 1: no brainer. She went on to say, when the opportunity
Speaker 1: came to me, I was like, well, Clear Blue literally
Speaker 1: told me I'm pregnant. Like, I don't really know how
Speaker 1: much more you can align with a brand. Side note,
Speaker 1: how expensive pregnancy tests Like, Oh my god, I just
Speaker 1: when I had to get one, I just went to
Speaker 1: Woolies and said, what is the fucking cheapest one? Oh? Really,
Speaker 1: I was the opposite. I got the most expensive one
Speaker 1: that was the digital test that said pregnant or not,
Speaker 1: because I knew I would not be able to read,
Speaker 1: like I'd be very funny about is that a line.
Speaker 2: Isn't it? Well?
Speaker 1: I got the cheapo ones that have the lines initially
Speaker 1: because I just was so curious. I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: to know whether I'm pregnant or not. And then I
Speaker 1: thought I'm going to buy the expensive one.
Speaker 2: When I reveal it to Brandon.
Speaker 1: Oh well, then didn't you actually screw yourself over? Like
Speaker 1: if you just bought the expensive one. Well, true, but
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know straight away, and I thought,
Speaker 1: well I don't want to buy several Yeah, the ones
Speaker 1: to say pregnant. In terms of Ella, it's interesting that
Speaker 1: she said the opportunity came to her. It's like, was
Speaker 1: her manager shopping it around, like, oh.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I'm in clear blue.
Speaker 1: Just didn't go, oh my god, I've got a feeling
Speaker 1: that Ella Ding may be pregnant and potentially she used
Speaker 1: our pregnancy test. Generally, when an influencer falls pregnant, their
Speaker 1: manager will put out a message to a number of
Speaker 1: pregnancy brand saying, hey, there's an opportunity here, because when
Speaker 1: it comes to pregnancy, there's only such a small window
Speaker 1: of when those influencers can actually.
Speaker 2: Promote those hook can promote them.
Speaker 1: I remember Chloe Zeppa mitch Orville got called out for
Speaker 1: being opportunistic for doing that with their first son. But
Speaker 1: it makes sense. I mean, influencers usually monetize these big
Speaker 1: life events. So as Ella said, having a baby is
Speaker 1: fucking expensive and the cost of living is fucked so
Speaker 1: she's like, who wouldn't do it? Yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: criticism of mitch Orville and Chloe was pretty unfair. Particularly
Speaker 1: because it's not as though it's a one way exchange,
Speaker 1: like the brand is actually getting huge value in working
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, the brand definitely does get stuff. I
Speaker 1: think people are just uncomfortable with people monetizing pregnancies and babies.
Speaker 2: It's a really.
Speaker 1: Fine line getting it right and not expoiting a child.
Speaker 1: Ella seemed to be quite surprised that there was a
Speaker 1: negative response to this sponsorship, and she said that if
Speaker 1: anyone else got offered the deal, they would take it.
Speaker 1: It's clear that La has been working with her manager
Speaker 1: on this pregnancy announcement because she's just off the back
Speaker 1: of launch a solo podcast called the Ella Era and
Speaker 1: her first episode was a pregnancy Q and A. So
Speaker 1: she of course used to do a podcast with Dom
Speaker 1: off Maths as well. Dom has come out and it
Speaker 1: seems like she's also trying to get coverage from Ella's
Speaker 1: pregnancy announcement because she said she's working on something that
Speaker 1: will divulge the tea about her friendship breakdown with our Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they aren't doing their joint pregnancy podcast then, No,
Speaker 1: just two separate ones where they have it goes at
Speaker 1: each other. Let's get into our Friday debrief now. So
Speaker 1: if we're recording at your house and I'm surrounded by
Speaker 1: boxes at the moment, what is going on. Yeah, We've
Speaker 1: had to pause recording a couple of times for online
Speaker 1: deliveries that have been arriving. I'm in full nesting mode,
Speaker 1: which means that I've been spending most of my nights
Speaker 1: online shopping for baby stuff and also cleaning. I've been
Speaker 1: sending you guys so many snapchats of my little projects
Speaker 1: I've been doing after work. So I on Friday night,
Speaker 1: I did a ten and I want to put that
Speaker 1: out there. Only bec because some nay essay has said
Speaker 1: that I would stop tanning during my pregnancy, so I
Speaker 1: couldn't be bothered.
Speaker 2: You pulled up your top before.
Speaker 1: And I was like, God, you're very glowing and bronzed
Speaker 1: under there. Yeah, your belly. Brandon dropped to me because
Speaker 1: I had an ultru sound yesterday. He's like, I have
Speaker 1: to say, when you put up your shirt, I was
Speaker 1: quite shocked at how brown your bump. You do know
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to scrub that off for the
Speaker 1: ces areas. Yes, I do know that, but anyway, that
Speaker 1: is not part of this story. But I did do
Speaker 1: a tan on Friday night, and as I was drying,
Speaker 1: because what I says, you have to dry, like you
Speaker 1: have to give that shit time to soak in.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm standing there in the nude in my bedroom
Speaker 2: letting it dry. Quite a sight, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, maybe I'll just start rearranging some of
Speaker 1: my wardrobe, Like maybe I just folded some extra clothes. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I ended up redoing the whole wardrobe, getting rid of
Speaker 1: all of these clothes. It's so organized at the moment.
Speaker 1: It made me feel so much better. The next night,
Speaker 1: I then decided to tackle the bathroom, so I cleaned
Speaker 1: out all of the drawers. I've got everything organized. It
Speaker 1: was actually disgusting how many bin bags of old products had.
Speaker 2: To be removed.
Speaker 1: Your nesting must be rubbing off on me because I
Speaker 1: did the same thing. I'm like, why am I holding
Speaker 1: onto all of these products that I don't use?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it also has to do with winter, because
Speaker 1: you spend a lot more time at home and you
Speaker 1: just want everything to be organized and nice like a hotel,
Speaker 1: like Hotel Handcock, well at Hotel Hancock. I think it's
Speaker 1: our last little reno before the baby gets here. Because
Speaker 1: we are finally having our carpets put in, so we
Speaker 1: have to haul all of our bedroom furniture out. Please
Speaker 1: don't lift anything now, I'm not going to be lifting anything.
Speaker 1: So are you going to be sleeping somewhere else?
Speaker 2: No, because they do it that day. I only takes
Speaker 2: a couple of hours.
Speaker 1: Now I had an epiphany this week. I did not
Speaker 1: realize how much I relied on technology while being a mum.
Speaker 1: I woke up on Tuesday morning to a panicked message
Speaker 1: from you saying that your street's power was out and
Speaker 1: you didn't know what to do because you couldn't get
Speaker 1: Jack's bott already. Well, we were the only street in
Speaker 1: our area affected because a power land came down. It's crazy, though,
Speaker 1: because it was only half the street. So the other
Speaker 1: half of the street, who have newer houses, their electricity
Speaker 1: cables are underground because that area actually used to be
Speaker 1: a farm and that's now turned residential. Well, it's funny
Speaker 1: because we lived ten minutes down the road from you,
Speaker 1: in a different suburb, and the night before when the
Speaker 1: storm was sort of hitting, our television went off for
Speaker 1: probably thirty seconds, and we looked at each other and
Speaker 1: were like no, and it immediately flicked back on and
Speaker 1: being the dinks that we are for the next couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, we're like phil thank God, Like that was
Speaker 1: about concerns. This is the first blackout I've experienced as
Speaker 1: a parent, and God it hit differently in a very
Speaker 1: bad way because I rely on having access to electricity
Speaker 1: to look at Jack's baby monitor, his sound machine, you know,
Speaker 1: the kettle for his bottles to be prepared. I had
Speaker 1: a stash of food frozen that's now been ruined for him.
Speaker 1: So yesterday I, you know, as most mums do, around
Speaker 1: down to my parents' house and asked them to help me. Well,
Speaker 1: I felt hopeless because again I live down the road,
Speaker 1: but we don't have our nursery setup yet.
Speaker 2: Will we do?
Speaker 1: It'll be much better because we'd actually have somewhere that
Speaker 1: Jack could sleep. Yeah. Well, we were so lucky because
Speaker 1: it went on. I think it was after eighteen hours.
Speaker 1: I had to do the big clean out of the fridge.
Speaker 1: That was a task. I just feel so bad for
Speaker 1: everyone affected by the flooding in New South Wales. I mean,
Speaker 1: my day was impacted for eighteen hours by the power
Speaker 1: not being on. I mean, I can't imagine dealing with
Speaker 1: treacherous conditions when you're looking after children. So my heart
Speaker 1: goes out to all of those people. That is all
Speaker 1: we have time for today. Thank you again for tuning
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Speaker 1: I have to give a plug for our subs episode
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Speaker 1: Yeah. We also spoke about how Sammy Gugenheim is. He's
Speaker 1: definitely a boost juice girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah. People who get it will get it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And we also chatted about what's been going on with
Speaker 1: Jojo Siwa and Chris Hughes. I was trying to explain
Speaker 1: that whole scenario to my husband when we were going
Speaker 1: to bed last night, and he could not care less
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And she sung Betty Davis' eyes.
Speaker 1: And she changed the lyrics to Chris Hughes and I
Speaker 1: could just tell, had no idea who Chris Hughes was
Speaker 1: and didn't care. Now this podcast was recorded on the
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