1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and coming up on today's show, Indie Clinton 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: hunts down trolls with the help of a PI so 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: for Dopha Islam for being clueless after her kmart Hale, 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Tullie Smythe and Michael Staples surprise passed, and Ella Ding 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: defends her decision to monetize her pregnancy announcement. But first, 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has taken a dig at her husband Matsakowski 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: while she's away in Egypt. 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Isn't his Egypt trip very random? 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: She is currently there hosting fans on an aw Adventurer event. 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: It is the second trip that she's done with the 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: travel company, and listeners will remember that late last year 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: she hosted fans on a trip in Greece, which got 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: a lot of flat for being very expensive. Now, Matsakowski 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: didn't attend the trip to Greece, and it's clear he's 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: not in Egypt at the moment with Tammy. He's in 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: Melbourne hanging out with his family and his sister's Golden retriever. 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: It's like he wants everyone to know he's in Melbourne. 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: That's the vibe that I'm getting now going back to 21 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: this trip, it spans eight days and it is incredibly 22 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: expensive for fans, so a private room will set you 23 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: back over seven five hundred dollars, whilst a twin room 24 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: costs around six thousand dollars. I mean, you may as 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: well go for the private room. I don't really get 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: the connection between Tammy and Egypt because it's being promoted 27 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: that she's going to be helping guide the tour. I 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: laughed when I read that, because she is going to 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: be appearing alongside an Egyptologist. I believe that's how you 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: renounce it, so basically someone who is an expert in 31 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Egyptian history. And it's funny because on the website it 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: says that they will ensure an unforgettable adventure filled with history, 33 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: culture and connection. I'm assuming that Tammy's role is bringing 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: the connection amongst the group, not the history side of things. 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: It seems like she's learnt a lot already on this trip. 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: She's been gushing about a lot of the historical facts 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: that she's learned along the way, because they've been doing 38 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: a lot of activity. So they've included explore wearing the 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: Pyramids of Geezer, sailing the Nile at sunset, They've done 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: a traditional dinner, they visited temples. 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: They've also done a. 42 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: Cooking class and enjoyed a sunrise over the Sphinx. 43 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: So it seems like it's been a very cultural trip. 44 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: Was the traditional dinner that thing where I saw there 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: was this guy making some sort of meal and he 46 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: spoonfed Tammy hembro. I must have miss that. It was 47 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: rather awkward. I was surprised it ended up on her story. Well, 48 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: Tammy has been sharing about all of the women on 49 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: the trip, so she put up a post where she 50 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: tagged every single follower slash fan who was there. I 51 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: wonder if that is part of what they're paying for, 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: exposure to her millions and millions of followers, or just 53 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: the fact that they get to hang out with her. Oh, 54 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: it's definitely just hanging out with Tammy. I wonder if 55 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: they're trying to get all the details on the potential 56 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: marriage breakdown. I mean, she has been wearing her rings 57 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, I was surprised to see she was 58 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: wearing her rings. Also from a safety perspective, I wouldn't 59 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: want to be traveling with that massive diamond on my finger. Now. 60 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: While exploring the temples, Tammy appeared to make a subtle 61 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: dig at her austraynge her husband, Matt Sakowski. So she 62 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: shared a photo of a tomb and wrote, he built 63 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: this temple dedicated to his wife because he loved her 64 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: so much. Okay, I want to point out that I 65 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: am nowhere close to being an Egyptologist, but I did 66 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: do a bit of research into this tomb, and apparently 67 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: the pharaoh in question who helped build it described his 68 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: wife as his favorite wife. I mean, that's a good thing, 69 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: and referred to her as the one whom the sun 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: shines for. So it was very romantic. So on one hand, 71 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: we've got this guy four thousand years ago building a 72 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: temple out of sand to show how much he loved 73 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: and respected his wife. Fast forward to twenty twenty five, 74 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: and we've got Matt Szakowski and Tammy hembro unfollowing each 75 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: other weeks before their nupt she was not living in 76 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: the same state, and Matt, who was sliding into girls 77 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: dms after the Grand Prix. So romance seems to be dead. 78 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: This century. 79 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: I do have to stick up for Matt at least 80 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't have multiple wives like the pharaoh. Home back 81 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: online for good and and that's that's what I'm doing. 82 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: Tiktoki. 83 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: Indy Clinton has put her trolls on warning after experiencing 84 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: relentless online harassment over her recent nose job. The mother 85 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: of three has called in reinforcements Gate. Now, we have 86 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: spoken in length about how awful the trolling of Indy 87 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: Clinton has been, so if you wrote an article about 88 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: it for Mama Mia, it got to a point where 89 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: other content creators and media organizations had to step in 90 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: and call the behavior out. I just haven't been able 91 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: to comprehend how nasty people have been. The commentary has 92 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: been next level, particularly when Indy has been so vulnerable 93 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: and honest about the procedure in the first place. She 94 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: didn't have to share the news with her audience. In fact, 95 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: she said that she was actually considering hiding it from 96 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: her audience because she didn't want to look like she 97 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: was promoting plastic surgery as something that. 98 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: Was just normal and every day to do. 99 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, and due to the trolling, she went on a 100 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: social media hiatus, but she returned about a month ago, 101 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 1: and she's been posting as normal. And she actually shared 102 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: a Q and A this week and addressed a followers 103 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: question about the recent trolling incident. So in it, she 104 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: revealed that she's been working with a PI for a 105 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: few months to find out who are behind the accounts 106 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: who continuously bullied to fame and harass her and her family. 107 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: Do we think that these are tattle life accounts? 108 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: Well? She referenced that the behavior is happening on Instagram, TikTok, 109 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: Reddit and other forums. I noticed that no one ever 110 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: wants to name tattle Life. I can see why. Yeah, well, 111 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: she wrote, The anonymous accounts and the faceless people hiding 112 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: behind them need to be held accountable. I'm here to 113 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: make a change for my children, your children, your nieces 114 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: and nephews. She went on to say, no change is 115 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: made if no change is done. I'm here to make 116 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: an impact and a difference. I'm absolutely shocked who these 117 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: people are. That's all I can say for now, as 118 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: it's an ongoing investigation. This is quite interesting because a 119 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: couple of months ago, we were approached by some influencers 120 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: who I'm not going to name who they are they 121 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: were micro influencers who have been harassed on Tattle, and 122 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: they too were doing their own the investigation and deep 123 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: dive into some of these faceless trolls on these sort 124 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: of forums. So it seems like influencers are really hitting back. Well, 125 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: I can see why they're going to these measures to 126 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: try and protect themselves because there isn't actually a specific 127 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: anti trolling law. Back in twenty twenty one, there was 128 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: hope that the government will pass this specific social media 129 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: anti trolling bill which would protect social media users from 130 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,559 Speaker 1: online harm. And the whole preface was that social media 131 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: companies were going to be held accountable for the defamatory 132 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: content posted by users, and it was also going to 133 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: make it easier for victims to identify anonymous trolls because 134 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: social media companies were going to be forced to unmask 135 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: them so that the victims of trolling could pursue legal action. Unfortunately, though, 136 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: that bill was not passed and it's no longer being 137 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: considered because there was a lot of criticism around it. 138 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: People said it was rushed, it wasn't comprehensive enough, and 139 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: it was too narrowly focused on defamation. So I can 140 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: see why influencers are now saying, well, I've got to 141 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: take it into my own hands and unmask the troll 142 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: because once you actually know who the people are, there 143 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: are legal avenues you can go down. So of course 144 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: you can sue for defamation. You can also report trolls 145 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: to the police for things like cyberstalking, threats of violence, 146 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: or repeated unwanted contact. I also think when it comes 147 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: down to it, that if you are unmasked and you're 148 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: named and shamed online, or have the prospect of being 149 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: named and shamed, you're probably going. 150 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: To back off from doing well. 151 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: It's not so much about unmasking them to name and 152 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: shame them, it's unmasking them so that the person who's 153 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: being harassed can actually take legal action. Yes, and I 154 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: also think that some influencers like Indie are speaking publicly 155 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: about the lengths they're going to in order to scare 156 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: people into stopping and thinking about what they're doing. Even 157 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: how she said that you will be absolutely shocked to 158 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: see that these are just everyday people. I mean, I 159 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: recently jumped onto a tattle thread and I saw one 160 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: of the users outlined that they worked as a doctor. 161 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: Now they weren't necessarily bulling or harassing anyone. But they 162 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: were contributing to a thread about some local influences and 163 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: basically saying well, calling into question their work ethic and 164 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: saying it's hard when you have a proper job like 165 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: a doctor's. I mean, it was interesting their perspective. But 166 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: again I think that people aren't actually aware that a 167 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: lot of people who were trolling others, they have very 168 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: professional backgrounds. They work in high paying and high flying jobs. 169 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: We do need to remember they're not everyone that participates 170 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: on tutle life is a troll. There is a difference 171 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: between people that are constantly abusing and harassing influencers and 172 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: then people that want to hold maybe some bad behavior 173 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: that they did to account. But I think the issue 174 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: with tatle is it becomes an echo chamber and the 175 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: people who may have just jumped on because oh I 176 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: didn't like how that influencer did this or that, then 177 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: they become radicalized in a way. 178 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: Well, remember there was a. 179 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: Woman behind an account which was born basically off tatle 180 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: Life called Salty's Day, where it just focused on Sarah's 181 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: Day's indiscretions, and it was later revealed that the woman 182 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: who run was actually a teacher and everyone was shocked 183 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,599 Speaker 1: to hear that that was her job. And also I 184 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: think her husband or boyfriend had no idea that she 185 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: was running this account and someone actually docks her to 186 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: her partner and that's why she shut it down in 187 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: terms of Indie when I was looking into the legalities 188 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: around what she can do, it's quite interesting the fact 189 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: that she lives in New South Wales because there's also 190 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Dolly's Law which was passed by the New South Wales 191 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: government in twenty eighteen. So the law is named in 192 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: memory of Dolly Everett, who very tragically died by suicide 193 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: after sustained cyberbulling. So this new law criminalizes cyberbullying and 194 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: has strengthened penalties for online abuse. Surely, if you're one 195 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: of these cretins who's been trolling Indie Clinton, you'd be sweating. 196 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 3: Okay, I have a bone to pick with all of you, 197 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: because who was going to tell me the Kmart clothes eight. 198 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: Kmart's PR team is rejoicing after jen z It Girl 199 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: Sofa Dofer declared the store is officially in its slay 200 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: era when it comes to fashion. Whilst it's a win 201 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: for the discount department store. The fashion TikToker was slammed 202 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: for being late the party, with many labeling her clueless 203 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: and out of touch. So if it's quite clear that 204 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: Sofa isn't on the same side of TikTok, that the 205 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: rest of us are no bless her though, because she 206 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: seemed genuinely excited to break this news about Kmart to 207 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: her followers. It was as though she thought that she'd 208 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: uncovered some sort of hack or this well kept secret. 209 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: I mean, when it comes to fashion, generally she is 210 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: the one who is dictating the trends and jumping on 211 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: things first. But in this case, it was just so 212 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: awkward how much of a late comer she was to 213 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: this one. I mean, she seemed to be in disbelief 214 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: that some of the dupes on offer, and she even 215 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: asked her followers why people have been gatekeeping Kmart's clothes. 216 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: She also put together a hole to show her followers. 217 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to some of what she said. 218 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 3: Okay, I have a bone to pick with all of you, 219 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 3: because who was going to tell me the Kmart clothes eat? 220 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 3: Why are we all gatekeeping? Orso? Why do I look 221 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: like this I'm so sorry. I'm going to do a 222 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: hall because I was in Ka yesterday getting homewares and 223 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: I checked it out. I was leaving and I was like, okay, 224 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: because I never go through the kmart clothes because random, 225 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 3: and I was like literally picking up everything. So I 226 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: want to do a hat because I'm like a little 227 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: bit shoogar, like, okay, came out, Capriz Okay, like cutest 228 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: bag I've ever seen, for like eight dollars? Do you 229 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: hear me? How much was this twenty dollars? This would 230 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 3: cost like one hundred dollars anywhere else? Who was gonna 231 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 3: tell me? Who was gonna tell me? Why are you 232 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: all gate keeping? 233 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: Hello? 234 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 3: Like, why is anyone talking about this? How much was 235 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 3: this twelve dollars? Twelve dollars? 236 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: Well? Might it not mind? Tom? It was so awkward 237 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: because the general consensus in the comments section was that 238 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: nobody has been gatekeeping kmart clothes. In fact, there are 239 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: quite a number of TikTokers who have literally built followings 240 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: from sharing their Kmart fashion fines. 241 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 242 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: One user wrote, literally, no one was gatekeeping. I thought 243 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: this was common knowledge, to which Sofa replied what another said, Babe, 244 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: everyone is talking about it, to which Sofa replied, I've 245 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: been living under a rock. It's just so surprising for 246 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: someone like Sofa Dofer, who practically lives on TikTok, for 247 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: her not to come across any of these videos. I 248 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: question how Kmart's blue shirt dish Jube has not made 249 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: its way into her for U page. Maybe because fashion 250 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: TikTok is her job. When she is taking a break 251 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: and having a scroll on the app, maybe she's looking 252 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: at completely different style. I'm interesting to know what her 253 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: algorithm is actually made up of. 254 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: Now. 255 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: Her seemingly innocent hale seem to also elicit a very 256 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: angry response from some followers, who felt her video proved just. 257 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: How out of touch she's become. 258 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: One user wrote, normal living Australians who aren't rich know 259 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: that Kmart has good clothes with a laughing face now. 260 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: That comment received over five thousand likes, whilst another said 261 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: our tax bracket differences are showing, which got over three 262 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: thousand likes now. Sofa actually responded to that comment, writing 263 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: how I just didn't realize that they had nice. 264 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: Clothes with a crying face. 265 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: In response to Sofa, another user hit back saying because 266 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: none of US can shop anywhere but here, So this 267 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: is giving clueless to the current money situation in this country. 268 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: There was also a lot. 269 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: Of comments regarding Sofa being so flippant about the cost 270 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: of things, because she was like, oh, this was just 271 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: oh hang on, let me check the price. Twelve dollars. 272 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: Can you believe it. A lot of people were saying, 273 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: oh God, when I go clothes shopping, I'm having to 274 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: memorize exactly how much things are so I can see 275 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: if they can fit into my budget. Even when she 276 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: was showing this particular bag, she's like, oh, this bag 277 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: was about eight dollars, and then she's like, oh, no, 278 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: actually it was twenty dollars, Like obviously that's not expensive. 279 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: But she's like, oh, generally a bag like this would 280 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: cost one hundred dollars, and. 281 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: I thought yeah. 282 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: And the fact that she said she was so busy 283 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: that she just grabbed all of these clothing and it 284 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: all came to one hundred and fifty dollars, which is 285 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: like nothing. It's like, well, yes, in the scheme of 286 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: getting i don't know, six or seven items, yes, that's 287 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: pretty good when you compare it to other shops. But 288 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: then being able to drop that money so easily, like 289 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: so many of us. 290 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: Would have had to budget for that whole. Yeah. 291 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: Whilst this hasn't been a particularly good PR move for 292 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: Sofa Dofa, it's been great for Kmar. And there's been 293 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: a lot of cynics who have questioned is this an 294 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: orchestrated PR campaign by Kmart? I mean, all I can 295 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: say is it doesn't appear to be. I think that 296 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: this was a genuine post. She didn't use any paid 297 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: partnership tools. Kmart hasn't commented on the post. It seems 298 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: to have. 299 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: Been an organic discovery. 300 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: I think she was just trying to create content that 301 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: resonated with people, and she's known for creating so many 302 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: halls yeah, just random things. I mean, it just shocks 303 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: me that she has her own clothing line called All 304 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: for Mimi, and she hasn't really done any research into 305 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: the market, into competitors, Like I understand that her clothing 306 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: is sold at a higher price point, but you think 307 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: you would look at it and say, okay, so these 308 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: are this is where kmart sits, This is where you 309 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: sit on the scale, and this is like a higher 310 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: end brand now, particularly when Jupe fashion is so popular. 311 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Kmart and Targets seem to be 312 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: doing best of at the moment. I do think it 313 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: was a clever way, though, to try and initiate a 314 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: deal with Kmar in the future. I wonder if this 315 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: will lead to a partnership deal. I think if I 316 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: was Kmart, I'd jump on the opportunity, particularly to get 317 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: some more gen zetters into the store. Many people also 318 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: did point out in Sofa's comment section the Target is 319 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: also popping off. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. 320 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really love Kmart's clothes. I know 321 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: you got around that Jupe dish shirt. 322 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: Oh I was so quick to get that. 323 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: But I'm not someone I don't have an eye for fashion. 324 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: I need someone to say this item at KMA is 325 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: really good. That's what everyone is doing online, you know 326 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: what I mean. People are taking the guess work out 327 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: for you, which is why people are like, how a 328 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: Sofa do for not being. 329 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: Aware of this? 330 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I managed to go on Target's website and 331 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: actually open things and be like, oh, I actually genuinely 332 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: like that. 333 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, Target's great at the moment. 334 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: The thing is, it's not just k Mart's pr team 335 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: who's had a big win over this post. The store 336 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: design team would be celebrating after hearing that Sofa only 337 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: made the chance discovery about Kmart's clothes as she was 338 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: checking out. So those of us trendsetters who have been 339 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: in on kmart secret for quite a while now know 340 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: that the store has been specifically designed to have the 341 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: cash registers slap bang in the middle of the store. 342 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: I actually hated it when they changed the store up 343 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: like that. It's so clever because it means you have 344 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: to go into the heart of the store, You're more 345 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: likely to walk past something that you like, and it 346 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: increases your chances of impulse buying. So I've never really 347 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, like with the impulse buying with kids, but 348 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: now that I have a kid, I'm like, this is 349 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: fucking cruel. My Jack at at the stage now where 350 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: he loves pointing at things. I haven't had an instance 351 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: where I've had to buy him anything from the shop yet, 352 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: but I feel like it's just coming. Well. I'm not 353 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: even thinking about kids. I'm thinking about myself as a magpie. 354 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: Anything shining I see, I'll take that. I'll take that. 355 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: The thing with Sofa is she may have never bothered 356 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: to venture into what she presumed was daggy Kmart clothes 357 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: if it wasn't for how the. 358 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: Shop was laid out. So hats off to them. 359 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: It's paid off for them, But it's not like it's 360 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: a new store layout, like it's been like that for 361 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years now. Yeah, but it's paying off 362 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: of them. Is she just not shopping at Kmart a lot? 363 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: I would like to know how many of the pieces 364 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: that sofa showed in the hole are now sold out, 365 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: because I feel like Kmart would be experiencing the full. 366 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: Sofa do for effect. 367 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm such a sheep. I was like pausing hanging, 368 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 1: like which one was it? What? Which one? 369 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 3: Does? 370 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: She say? Is cool, because I've got no idea. See 371 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: I looked at those clothes, tho not for me. They're 372 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: definitely Jens clothes. 373 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: Well I thought they were ugly. 374 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: But I'm like, I really don't know anything about fashions. 375 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: I discovered that burgundy and marone apparently the colors of winter. 376 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: I actually none of those in my wardrobe. I knew 377 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: that and that chocolate brown. I met Michael, my husband, 378 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: when he was working at Channel nine this week we 379 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: shared an influencer family tree of sorts. Amy ended up 380 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: creating this in between her feeds, so she wanted to 381 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: demonstrate the six degrees of separation between some of Australia's 382 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: top influencers. And what seemed to shock a lot of people, 383 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: including myself, was the revelation that former Big Brother contestant 384 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: Tully smythe to date love islander Anna Macavoy's husband Michael Staples. 385 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: When I saw that, I was like, hang on, it 386 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: kind of does make sense. I thought he looked familiar, 387 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: but I couldn't quite put my finger on white. Before 388 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: Amy posted it, I had to confirm with it. I'm like, 389 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: are you sure that you're not confusing him with her 390 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend Daniel because I saw work the saying they do. 391 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: Look very similar. 392 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: Well, it's clear that Michael also has a type for 393 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: blonde reality stars. So Tully and Michael actually started dating 394 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty during the Melbourne Lockdown, and Tully 395 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: soft launched the relationship several times during the pandemic, gushing 396 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: that she couldn't survive Lockdown without him. I think I 397 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: would like to be reincarnated as one of Tully's Smyth's 398 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: boyfriends because the way she gases them up when she's 399 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: dating them is next level. Like this guy's sweet. Yeah, 400 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: it's so sweet. Like the guy that she's dating at 401 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: the moment. Ned he's a dentist from Melbourne. Oh my god. 402 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: She literally just. 403 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: Worships the ground he walks on. I mean, he seems 404 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: like a lovely guy. To Fair, I'm like, oh, this 405 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: guy lovely? What a sweetheart? 406 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: She really like? 407 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: She's well, I think she has got a marketing degree, 408 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: but she'd be great for public relations. She's almost doing 409 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: herself a disservice, though, because I'm sure that there's a 410 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: lot of single girls who were like, maybe I should 411 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: slide into his DMS like, oh lovely. Well, anyway, since 412 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: her breakup with Michael, all of the photos of them 413 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: were swiftly deleted, which I personally was gutted about because 414 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: I had this real sick thing where I'm like, I 415 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: just want to see a photo of them together. I 416 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: can't even imagine them together because I look at Michael 417 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: Staples and I'm like, that's Anamacvoy's husband. Like, I can't 418 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: even imagine him with someone else. It's not like he's 419 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: a public figure himself. Yeah, I was wondering how has 420 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: he met these reality TV stars? And it turns out 421 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: that he used to work for Channel nine in Melbourne 422 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: as a group business manager, so he started working there 423 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. He stopped in twenty twenty three. So 424 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: with Big Brother moving to Channel nine in twenty twelve, 425 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: you'd assume that Tully, who was one of the biggest 426 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: faces of the program, would have been invited to a 427 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: lot of Channel nine events and that's where she presumably 428 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: met Michael. He also appeared on Big Brother again recently, 429 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: but that was in twenty twenty two, once they'd broken up. 430 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I see, but we know that Anna met 431 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: Michael at a Channel nine function. So Love Island Australia 432 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: is a Channel nine program, and she explained recently on 433 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: her podcast that she and Matt Zukowski were appearing together 434 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: at a promotional event for Channel nine and she actually 435 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: spotted Michael across the room and she had this instant 436 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: connection with him and said, I've got to go up 437 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: to him, I've got to approach him. And it's lucky 438 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: she did, because Michael assumed that she and Matt were 439 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: one of the couples off Love Island and that they 440 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: were together. So he thought obviously that she was very attractive. 441 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: But though I've got no chance here, they actually do 442 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: look good together Anna and Matt. I remember when they 443 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: first launched their podcast, they drew people in by pretending 444 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: that they were getting together. Yeah, I know, there was 445 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: a lot of confusion about that at the time. They 446 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: really played into it. Now I want to finish on 447 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: a bit of a fun fact here. Before Michael met Tully, 448 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: he was actually working over in the UK as a 449 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: group head for ESPN. And when we reflect on Tully's 450 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: most recent ex Daniel, who again looks very similar to Michael, 451 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: it's quite interesting because he actually ended up moving to 452 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: the US to work for ESPN, and that's why their 453 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: relationship eventually ended. 454 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: So did he take his job? 455 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: Well, no, because Michael was working in the UK. Oh 456 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: us UK. Okay, Well, god, they're very similar. 457 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: Are you nervous We're having a baby? How does that 458 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: feel for you? 459 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: Ella Ding has defended her decision to monetize her pregnancy announcement. 460 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: Last week, the former Maths contestant revealed she was expecting 461 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: her first baby via a sponsored post with. 462 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: Clear Blue okay. 463 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: Now. The backlash was swift, with even her former bestie 464 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: Dom criticizing Ellert for monetizing her pregnancy announcement. Ello responded 465 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: to the criticism in an interview, saying it was a 466 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: no brainer. She went on to say, when the opportunity 467 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: came to me, I was like, well, Clear Blue literally 468 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: told me I'm pregnant. Like, I don't really know how 469 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: much more you can align with a brand. Side note, 470 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: how expensive pregnancy tests Like, Oh my god, I just 471 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: when I had to get one, I just went to 472 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: Woolies and said, what is the fucking cheapest one? Oh? Really, 473 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: I was the opposite. I got the most expensive one 474 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: that was the digital test that said pregnant or not, 475 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: because I knew I would not be able to read, 476 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: like I'd be very funny about is that a line. 477 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: Isn't it? Well? 478 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: I got the cheapo ones that have the lines initially 479 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: because I just was so curious. I'm like, I want 480 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: to know whether I'm pregnant or not. And then I 481 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: thought I'm going to buy the expensive one. 482 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: When I reveal it to Brandon. 483 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: Oh well, then didn't you actually screw yourself over? Like 484 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: if you just bought the expensive one. Well, true, but 485 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: I just wanted to know straight away, and I thought, 486 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: well I don't want to buy several Yeah, the ones 487 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: to say pregnant. In terms of Ella, it's interesting that 488 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: she said the opportunity came to her. It's like, was 489 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: her manager shopping it around, like, oh. 490 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: Definitely, I'm in clear blue. 491 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: Just didn't go, oh my god, I've got a feeling 492 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: that Ella Ding may be pregnant and potentially she used 493 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: our pregnancy test. Generally, when an influencer falls pregnant, their 494 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: manager will put out a message to a number of 495 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: pregnancy brand saying, hey, there's an opportunity here, because when 496 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: it comes to pregnancy, there's only such a small window 497 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: of when those influencers can actually. 498 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: Promote those hook can promote them. 499 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: I remember Chloe Zeppa mitch Orville got called out for 500 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: being opportunistic for doing that with their first son. But 501 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: it makes sense. I mean, influencers usually monetize these big 502 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: life events. So as Ella said, having a baby is 503 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: fucking expensive and the cost of living is fucked so 504 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: she's like, who wouldn't do it? Yeah, I thought that 505 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: criticism of mitch Orville and Chloe was pretty unfair. Particularly 506 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: because it's not as though it's a one way exchange, 507 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: like the brand is actually getting huge value in working 508 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, the brand definitely does get stuff. I 509 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: think people are just uncomfortable with people monetizing pregnancies and babies. 510 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: It's a really. 511 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: Fine line getting it right and not expoiting a child. 512 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: Ella seemed to be quite surprised that there was a 513 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: negative response to this sponsorship, and she said that if 514 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: anyone else got offered the deal, they would take it. 515 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: It's clear that La has been working with her manager 516 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: on this pregnancy announcement because she's just off the back 517 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: of launch a solo podcast called the Ella Era and 518 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: her first episode was a pregnancy Q and A. So 519 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: she of course used to do a podcast with Dom 520 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: off Maths as well. Dom has come out and it 521 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: seems like she's also trying to get coverage from Ella's 522 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: pregnancy announcement because she said she's working on something that 523 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: will divulge the tea about her friendship breakdown with our Wow. Okay, 524 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: so they aren't doing their joint pregnancy podcast then, No, 525 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: just two separate ones where they have it goes at 526 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: each other. Let's get into our Friday debrief now. So 527 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: if we're recording at your house and I'm surrounded by 528 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: boxes at the moment, what is going on. Yeah, We've 529 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: had to pause recording a couple of times for online 530 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: deliveries that have been arriving. I'm in full nesting mode, 531 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: which means that I've been spending most of my nights 532 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: online shopping for baby stuff and also cleaning. I've been 533 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: sending you guys so many snapchats of my little projects 534 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: I've been doing after work. So I on Friday night, 535 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: I did a ten and I want to put that 536 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: out there. Only bec because some nay essay has said 537 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: that I would stop tanning during my pregnancy, so I 538 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: couldn't be bothered. 539 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: You pulled up your top before. 540 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, God, you're very glowing and bronzed 541 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: under there. Yeah, your belly. Brandon dropped to me because 542 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: I had an ultru sound yesterday. He's like, I have 543 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: to say, when you put up your shirt, I was 544 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: quite shocked at how brown your bump. You do know 545 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to scrub that off for the 546 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: ces areas. Yes, I do know that, but anyway, that 547 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: is not part of this story. But I did do 548 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: a tan on Friday night, and as I was drying, 549 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: because what I says, you have to dry, like you 550 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: have to give that shit time to soak in. 551 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm standing there in the nude in my bedroom 552 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: letting it dry. Quite a sight, and I. 553 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: Was like, oh, maybe I'll just start rearranging some of 554 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: my wardrobe, Like maybe I just folded some extra clothes. Anyway, 555 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: I ended up redoing the whole wardrobe, getting rid of 556 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: all of these clothes. It's so organized at the moment. 557 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: It made me feel so much better. The next night, 558 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: I then decided to tackle the bathroom, so I cleaned 559 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: out all of the drawers. I've got everything organized. It 560 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: was actually disgusting how many bin bags of old products had. 561 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 2: To be removed. 562 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Your nesting must be rubbing off on me because I 563 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: did the same thing. I'm like, why am I holding 564 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: onto all of these products that I don't use? 565 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 566 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: I think it also has to do with winter, because 567 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: you spend a lot more time at home and you 568 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: just want everything to be organized and nice like a hotel, 569 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: like Hotel Handcock, well at Hotel Hancock. I think it's 570 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: our last little reno before the baby gets here. Because 571 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: we are finally having our carpets put in, so we 572 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: have to haul all of our bedroom furniture out. Please 573 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: don't lift anything now, I'm not going to be lifting anything. 574 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: So are you going to be sleeping somewhere else? 575 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: No, because they do it that day. I only takes 576 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: a couple of hours. 577 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: Now I had an epiphany this week. I did not 578 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: realize how much I relied on technology while being a mum. 579 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: I woke up on Tuesday morning to a panicked message 580 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: from you saying that your street's power was out and 581 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: you didn't know what to do because you couldn't get 582 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: Jack's bott already. Well, we were the only street in 583 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: our area affected because a power land came down. It's crazy, though, 584 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: because it was only half the street. So the other 585 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: half of the street, who have newer houses, their electricity 586 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: cables are underground because that area actually used to be 587 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: a farm and that's now turned residential. Well, it's funny 588 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: because we lived ten minutes down the road from you, 589 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: in a different suburb, and the night before when the 590 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: storm was sort of hitting, our television went off for 591 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: probably thirty seconds, and we looked at each other and 592 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: were like no, and it immediately flicked back on and 593 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: being the dinks that we are for the next couple 594 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: of weeks, we're like phil thank God, Like that was 595 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: about concerns. This is the first blackout I've experienced as 596 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: a parent, and God it hit differently in a very 597 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: bad way because I rely on having access to electricity 598 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: to look at Jack's baby monitor, his sound machine, you know, 599 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: the kettle for his bottles to be prepared. I had 600 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: a stash of food frozen that's now been ruined for him. 601 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: So yesterday I, you know, as most mums do, around 602 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: down to my parents' house and asked them to help me. Well, 603 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: I felt hopeless because again I live down the road, 604 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: but we don't have our nursery setup yet. 605 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: Will we do? 606 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: It'll be much better because we'd actually have somewhere that 607 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: Jack could sleep. Yeah. Well, we were so lucky because 608 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: it went on. I think it was after eighteen hours. 609 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: I had to do the big clean out of the fridge. 610 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: That was a task. I just feel so bad for 611 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: everyone affected by the flooding in New South Wales. I mean, 612 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: my day was impacted for eighteen hours by the power 613 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: not being on. I mean, I can't imagine dealing with 614 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: treacherous conditions when you're looking after children. So my heart 615 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: goes out to all of those people. That is all 616 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: we have time for today. Thank you again for tuning 617 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: into Outspoken. 618 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 2: If you do love the show, we would really appreciate it. 619 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: If you could leave us a review and make sure 620 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: you are subscribed on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Before we go, 621 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: I have to give a plug for our subs episode 622 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: which dropped yesterday, Honor. We discuss rumors that Sarah's Day 623 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: and White Fox Boutique have parted ways after there has 624 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: been quite a strange chuck out sale going on on 625 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: their website. 626 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, all of her old stock bizarrely from twenty twenty 627 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 2: on there. 628 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. We also spoke about how Sammy Gugenheim is. He's 629 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: definitely a boost juice girl. 630 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. People who get it will get it. Yeah. 631 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: And we also chatted about what's been going on with 632 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: Jojo Siwa and Chris Hughes. I was trying to explain 633 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: that whole scenario to my husband when we were going 634 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: to bed last night, and he could not care less 635 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh my god. 636 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: And she sung Betty Davis' eyes. 637 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: And she changed the lyrics to Chris Hughes and I 638 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 1: could just tell, had no idea who Chris Hughes was 639 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: and didn't care. Now this podcast was recorded on the 640 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: judisial land of the Ghana people of the Adelaid Plains. 641 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: We pay respect to Elder's past and present