1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf thanks to Joyce Main Darwin 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Homes owned Stuart Highway Berrimer. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: We've had a lot of political discussion this morning. Obviously 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: the Health Minister Natasha Files on the show with us 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: earlier this morning. We just spoke to Jamie de Brenny 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: about this situation with accusations that Senator Sam McMahon intoxicated 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 2: earlier in the week and well. Now joining us in 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: the studio is the Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Maylee. Good 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: morning to you. 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners. 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: Now we have been speaking quite extensively throughout the week 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: about some of the comments that were made by the 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: IKA Commissioner in the estimates process last week. Now the 14 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: colp is demanding a full scale parliamentary probe now into 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: the ikak Act, not a closed door in house audit 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: by the Gunner government. Jered, why do you think this 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: is important? 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: Okatie? 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: Look, this is important because I think Territorians have lost 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 3: confidence in the Commissioner and the Commission. The Commissioner the 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: Commission was set up as a very important body to 22 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: stamp out any corruption or have an avenue for investigation 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: of corruption, and I think that's in a very important 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: job and it should be a very high standing of 25 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 3: the Commission and the Commissioner. Unfortunately there's been eras of judgment, 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: lost emails, outspoken statements. I really believe that the Commission 27 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: should be a person who's sitting behind there doing the 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: work and not outgrandstanding and making statements, and unfortunately the 29 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: Commissioner has done that. 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: I know he's going and he's moving on. 31 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I've never met the new Commissioner, but 32 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: I think the Commission itself has been damaged and now 33 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: it's time for a review because we need that confidence back. 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: And the only way to get the confidence back is 35 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 3: to a full scale review, to allow people public people 36 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: to come in and make submissions, different organizations and stakeholders 37 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: to make submissions, because maybe there's a different model that 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: the IK could be put in foalse here because quite frankly, 39 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: the Commission at this as it stands, over the last 40 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: two and a bit years hasn't really performed to what 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 3: I expected. 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: Well, I know that there were serious concerns earlier in 43 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: the week and late last week, I should say, or 44 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: even early last week, following on from those comments that 45 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: were made by the KA Commissioner inside estimates. Now we 46 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: know that Matt Cunningham today is reporting that the whistleblower 47 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: who reported allegations of inappropriate conduct within the anti corruption 48 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: watchdog has asked to formally respond to the K Commissioner 49 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: Ken Fleming during Well hope, during a parliamentary hearing. Do 50 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: you have any idea when that's going to happen or 51 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: if that's going to happen. 52 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: No, Okay, I'm not really sure. 53 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: I understand that there has been an application made and 54 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: I think there was a meeting between the Estimate Committee 55 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: and I'm not sure if the outcome is yet, but 56 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: I know that there is a process where that that person, 57 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 3: if the committee accepts it, can come in and give 58 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: evidence and that evidence can be done in the public 59 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: eye or it can be in camera, which is in private. 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how what's going to work. 61 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: All right, we will wait and see exactly what the 62 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: situation is there. We're going to catch up with Matt 63 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: Cunningham after ten o'clock this morning as well. But just 64 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: on these calls obviously from the COLP for a full 65 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: scale parliamentary probe, what would this look like? 66 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 3: Well, we could have a select committee made up in 67 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: the Parliament to be able to hold public hearings, take submission, 68 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: consider evidence to really work out what's the best way 69 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: to put the ICAK back up where it should be 70 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: as an institution with a very high standing and well 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: regarded within the Northern Territory. 72 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: Now, the Health Minister Natasha Files was on the show 73 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: earlier this morning. I asked her about this. She said 74 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: that she believes the report by Greg Shanahan is going 75 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: to be adequate. What would you say to that. 76 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: Well, it's really about what's in the best inche of 77 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: territori ins Kadie. Territorians have lost confidence in the IKAQ 78 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: and that needs to be rebuilt and it's not going 79 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: to be rebuilt by a closed door review with one 80 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: person we don't even know have the terms or that 81 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: condition of that review is. So it really needs to 82 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: be out there in the open start again and do 83 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: it for territory and have some countability, have them say 84 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: about how this all works and to put that confidence 85 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: back into the to the IKAK. 86 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: Jared, what's going to be the process from the colp's 87 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: perspective today in terms of pushing for this to happen. 88 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to move a motion to form a 89 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,679 Speaker 3: select committee today and then there will be a vote 90 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: on that. And I'm not sure how their vote's going 91 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: to be, but the CELP will be certainly voting for it. 92 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: And it will really be in the hands off. 93 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: The Labor government whether they are open to accept it 94 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: and accept the scrutiny or they're going to just close 95 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: the door and say we can do it in the 96 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: House and not listen to territories and more important, not 97 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: allow territorians to make submissions to this review. 98 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: Realistically, you'd need someone to cross the floor, wouldn't you to, Like, 99 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: you'd need someone from the Labour Party to vote with 100 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: you guys to have the numbers for this to happen. 101 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: We would, But ultimately it's not really about crossing for 102 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: Labour need to do the best for the territories, not 103 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: for themselves here. They really need to make sure that 104 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: they're acting in the best interests of all Territorians and 105 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: not in the best interests off the Labor Party. The 106 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 3: sealper out there trying to talk to territories and listen 107 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: to territorians and that's what Labour need to do as well. 108 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: Jared it has been a big few days or a 109 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: big couple of weeks. I guess you'd say in parliamentary estimates. 110 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 2: You were in there yesterday, anything interesting that our listeners 111 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: should be aware of. 112 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: Okay, there's been all sorts of questions asked, and we asked. 113 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: I asked some questions yesterday on about the youth of 114 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: venders having bail and guess what taken on notice? So 115 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: you know, there's no way that the Labor government couldn't 116 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: anticipate these questions are coming. And again there's just been 117 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: questions taken on notice left, ron and center, and again 118 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: just answering the questions with I see is it read? 119 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: And they talk it's about something blue, So it's just 120 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: not getting to the bottom of it. And unfortunately we 121 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: asked the question again and again, and then the answer 122 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 3: is I've already answered the question. 123 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: Hey, with those questions on notice, how long does the 124 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: government have to be able to provide you answers to those? 125 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: And then obviously I'm assuming they'll get made public, like 126 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: there's a period of time, yes. 127 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: And look, I'm pretty sure it's see in January, so 128 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 3: I think it's a month after it. Yeah, because it 129 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: was in January last time, so it's about a month 130 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 3: to get in. 131 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: Notice. 132 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: Hey, one of the other things I'm keen to just 133 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: speak to speak to you about. And Sarah who's on 134 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: breakfast here on Mix and she and Andrew have been 135 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: talking about this over the last couple of days. She 136 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 2: lives out in the rural area. It's something you and 137 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: I have discussed before, and Keesier Puric and I a 138 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: couple of times. We know that the government has released 139 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: that discussion paper on the use of land around Palmerston 140 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: and it also includes Holts and Kwandy. Where are we 141 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: at with this and do those submissions actually close? Are 142 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: they closing this weekend? 143 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're closing tomorrow, Ocadion, just go back one step 144 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: the nineenth of July when those questions are noticed, are. 145 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: You oh nineteenth of July? Okay? Cool? 146 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 3: So look, so back to the rural area. Yes, we're 147 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: talking about the Holts and Kuwandi area. Michael Gonna came 148 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: out and said there's going to be over five thousand 149 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 3: residents in that area and made a public statement around 150 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: budget time. And what I'm worried about is that he's 151 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: just the Planning commissioner just going to rub a stamp 152 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: that deal I've met. I've had three public meetings myself. 153 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: I've been to another one. I've been to four public 154 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: meetings of concerned rural residents and there is a genuine 155 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: concern out there about what's happening in our area. People 156 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: don't want another small parmesan backing up because remember, there's 157 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 3: a whole range of rural blocks or in that area 158 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: we're talking over on stow Row, we're talking about Howard 159 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: River Park, and then we're talking about in general that 160 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: all the extra traffic that's going to flow around that 161 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: area due to that population. We're talking ten thousand people there. 162 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: Right, So, so have people gotten toil? When have they 163 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: gotten to to make sure that their voices are heard 164 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: in terms of an actual sort of submission or you know, 165 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: making sure that they jump online and have their say. 166 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, there's the planning Commission. Wh've got to have 167 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: their say. 168 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: Website which closes the tomorrow, the twenty fifth, And I 169 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: encourage as many people as possible to make a submission. 170 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: And even if you're not confident and you don't need 171 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: heaps and heaps of words, some dot points just put 172 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 3: your view across too. So the territories can say we've listened. 173 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: I know, so we've spoken and it's up to the 174 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: Planning Commission to make a report to the government and 175 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: then the government need to listen to. 176 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: That well, Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley, we always appreciate 177 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: your time this morning. Thanks so much for coming into 178 00:07:59,440 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: the studio. 179 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: Thank you and thank you for listeners.