1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It's not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: That is so fatch. 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Thank you. 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: We have actually just gotten back from a very fun 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: lunch time before we started recording this podcast. We checked 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: out a custom cookie cutter shop and we were on 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: the hunt for Christmas decorations. However, we had a revelation 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: whilst in the store. The revelation is that women seem 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: to reach a certain age where they just don't care 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: what other people think anymore. And I really respect it 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: because we were in the store and we were specifically 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: there for Christmas cookie cutters. We wanted a Santa one 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: and a pudding. However, they weren't on display and we 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: really didn't have the balls to ask if they were 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: out the back. But this woman came in. She was 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: just literally knew what she wanted, she asked for it 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: very assertively. She also put down the cookie cutters. Yeah, 22 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: oh this one's not big enough. Yeah, I loved it. 23 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: It was hilarious and it was great because we piggybacked 24 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: off the back of her asking for things well like yeah, 25 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: can we have one of those as well? Don't you 26 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: find though, when you are with a person who has 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: hit that age where they don't really care anymore what 28 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: people think, you find yourself almost having to apologize for them. 29 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: You become extra nice to shop assistance. Oh my god. 30 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: I had this when I went for breakfast with a 31 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: former colleague of mine. She is so lovely. However, there 32 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: wasn't a table available for us inside, so she gave 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: this way to hell and I had to be like, 34 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Oh yes, this is perfect and everything. 35 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: And then he asked us if we wanted coffees, and 36 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: she's like, I don't drink coffee. And it was just like, 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. You feel so bad because they're not 38 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: actually doing anything wrong. But I feel like, as you 39 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: were saying, when you're in your twenties and thirties, you're 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: kind of apologetic to those people serving you because you 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: remember what it was like having to serve people. Kate, 42 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Can I just say, though, I think you're going to 43 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: hit that age of not caring pretty soon, because remember 44 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: when we went to Singapore. We went Kate O'th and 45 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: I and our two male cousins, and we went to 46 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: this restaurant and they served us these horrible dishes, and 47 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: we all made Kate complain because she was the only 48 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: one who had the balls, and you were so rude 49 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: to the people that wasn't rude. The food was inedible 50 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: and it was expensive. So I just said, look, no 51 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: one's eating the food. Literally, my poor cousin Stewie, who 52 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: was I think like fifteen at the time, was left 53 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: with me. Amy, Sophie Cameron just bolted out of there. 54 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: But also remember you had to rearrange what rooms we 55 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: had when we went to Penang. You demanded that we 56 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: have the top level room because you'd been there seven 57 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: times before. I had literally been there. I think this was, 58 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: as Amy said, my seventh or eighth time at the hotel. 59 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: And normally I get a room on the fourth floor. 60 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Now this room was on the first floor with a 61 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: restricted view. Now I don't think that's how you treat 62 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: returning customers. See what I mean. I feel like Kate's 63 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: only a few years away from being like fully blown, 64 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: not caring what any shop assistance think. Well, Kate is 65 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: very close to the name Karen, so I hope that 66 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: doesn't turn into that sort of middle age complaining to 67 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: the manager name. I would love people to go to 68 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: the outspoken Facebook community and share what age you think 69 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: it is where women just stop caring what shop assistants think. 70 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: And also i'd love to hear any stories where you've 71 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: been out with somebody who's maybe a little bit older 72 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: than you when they've been rude to a shop assistant 73 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: and you've had to apologize. Well maybe if you've been 74 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: on the other end of it and you are the 75 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: shop assistant having to deal with someone like that, Now 76 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to butt in. I was very flattered over 77 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: the weekend because a listener wrote in asking us how 78 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: old we were, and we replied we're thirty one, and 79 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: quite a few people seem shocked by this, which you 80 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: know was a bit of a pump up the old tires. 81 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: Now having you mean shocked that we didn't we don't 82 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: actually look thirty one. It's not reverse. I wrote in 83 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: asking if we were twenty three, and I think I'm 84 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: going to stick with that age. Can I just say, 85 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: people who are listening and they're in their twenties, their 86 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: early twenties, enjoy it because it quickly. You quickly get 87 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: to thirty and you know you don't feel it. You 88 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: don't feel it at all. I feel twenty three anyway. Yeah, 89 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: but I think your thirties are your best years. I've 90 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed it so far. Yeah, for sure. Can I just 91 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: say something, yes, you can never have enough hats, gloves, 92 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: and shoes. Micro influencer and stylist Caitlin Rodriguez has announce 93 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: she is launching an e commerce platform for fellow influencers 94 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: to sell clothes they've been gifted by brands. She says 95 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: the platform is designed to keep clothes out of landfill. However, 96 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: with influencers happy to take lucrative paychecks to promote fast 97 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: fashion brands, many believe the platform is just an avenue 98 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: for influencers to profit even further. Now, before we get 99 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: into it, for those who don't know Amy, who is 100 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Rodriguez? Well, Caitlyn Rodriguez is the best friend of 101 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: influencer Madison Woolley, and the pair have recently started a podcast, 102 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: so a few people know her from the podcast and 103 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: she lives in a loft apartment, and that's really all 104 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: we know about Caitlyn other than the fact that she 105 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: is also a stylist. Well, she has clocked up over 106 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: twenty seven thousand followers on Instagram, but many people think 107 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: that's just because of her association with influencers like Madison 108 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Woolly and Isabel Clark. She has also attended a brand 109 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: trip recently, however, that's the first time I've seen her 110 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: doing any sort of proper promotion on her Instagram channel now. Interestingly, 111 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: her boyfriend actually runs the Bondi Bizarre Markets, where she 112 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: has been known to sell clothes before, and obviously this 113 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: ties in because she is a stylist. Now, Caitlyn announced 114 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: on her podcast that she is launching a new business 115 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: called Wasteless, and the business is an e commerce platform 116 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: where influencers can sell the free, fast fashion clothes they 117 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: got from brands now. Wasteless is said to take all 118 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: of the hard work out of selling the clothes for 119 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: the influencer, so basically, a courier picks up the clothes 120 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: from the influencer's house. Caitlyn takes all the photos and 121 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: then uploads them to this new platform to sell now 122 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: apparently ten percent of the money goes to charity, and 123 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: it's not disclosed how much of a percentage that Wasteless takes. 124 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: Well all the influencers themselves, because there must be some 125 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: incentive for them to actually provide the clothes to Wasteless. 126 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: So it seems like the influencers are basically double dipping 127 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: into a deal that they've already got because they not 128 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: only get free clothes from the brand, they potentially get 129 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: paid for a brand deal to promote the clothing, but 130 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: then they're also getting money to resell the clothes to 131 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: their impressionable followers. And that's what I felt really uncomfortable about, 132 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: because I feel like this platform has been sold as 133 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: some ethical business that you know, stops clothes from being 134 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: put in landfills, but I just think it's not as 135 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: ethical as it's being made out to be. I find 136 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: it very ironic this ethos behind the ethics of where 137 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: these clothes are going, particularly because the influencers who are 138 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: using this platform are willing to take big paychecks by 139 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: fast fashion brands and promote these brands and essentially drive 140 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: the sales of this fast fashion which is then filling landfills. However, 141 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: there's going, oh no, no, but the clothes I get 142 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm ethically disposing of. And for those who don't know 143 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: what fast fashion is, it is the rapid production of 144 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: low quality clothes that are increasingly treated as though they 145 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: are disposable. And the scary thing is that social media 146 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: is really fueling this consumerism and it's these influencers who 147 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: are being used as poor ones in this game. If 148 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: you take a look at fashion over, this is the 149 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: most popular fashion brand on Instagram. They have over fourteen 150 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: million followers, and they were the first ones to really 151 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: engage influencers in this sort of way, and they've become 152 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: the most googled brand alongside Gucci and Louis Baton. And 153 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: every week they introduce six hundred to nine hundred new 154 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: pieces of clothing. What they're like as in particular, different 155 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: items of clothing that then will they will then sell 156 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: on mass Yes. Yes. So it's absolutely staggering to think 157 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: about how many pieces of clothing just one social media 158 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: post can generate. For instance, you touched on the fact 159 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: that influencers seem to be getting this clout because they 160 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: seem to be recycling these clothes, but one post they 161 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: put up is encouraging hundreds of thousands of women to 162 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: contribute to fast fashion. How can you possibly be the 163 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: face of something and then stand against it. The thing 164 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: I find so funny is that all of this use 165 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: of influencer marketing started because followers were actually genuinely interested 166 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: what these people were using and wearing, so it was 167 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: a lot more organic. And now, obviously Instagram has turned 168 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: into one of the biggest marketing platforms in the world, 169 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: and obviously brands are going to be using influencers to 170 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: promote their clothing. However, I just feel really funny about 171 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, I would used to follow 172 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: Sammy Robinson and I would buy makeup that she used 173 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: because I thought it looked amazing on her. But the 174 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: fact is it's now become so obvious that these influencers 175 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: don't even have a connection with these brands, and the 176 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: fact that they're then willing to say, oh, I'm using 177 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: this platform to then on sell these clothing that I 178 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: clearly don't even wear other than putting on my Instagram feed. 179 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: It's just making that brand collaboration so disingenuine. But they're 180 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: stuffing it up for themselves as well, because they're going 181 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: to become a relevant because they're just like a commercial 182 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: on TV. Now that's not real, and what brand is 183 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: going to want to partner with them. Also, part of 184 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: the marketing of this platform Caitlin's created was centered around 185 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: picking an influencer whose clothes you want, So it's not 186 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: even like influencers can secretly donate. These will not even donate, 187 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: but give these clothes over to Caitlin for her to 188 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: promote and sell. You're literally going, oh, I want to 189 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: buy Madison Woolly's Nasty Goal clothing. I'm going to pick her. 190 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: And that's where the issue lies because these influencers cannot 191 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: be anonymous when giving their clothes, so basically they are 192 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: essentially undercutting the brand who was paid to work with 193 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: them because they are directly selling their product back at 194 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: a cheaper price to their followers who want to get 195 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: that product from the brand. And I want it more 196 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: because that influencer has actually physically touched it and Warner, yeah, exactly, 197 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: well warn it for a split second. Also, can't make 198 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: your point about those clothing holes. Has anyone heard of 199 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: an iron I've seen so many clothing holes and the 200 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: clothing is just crumpled and you think, wow, you guys 201 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: are being paid a lot of money. I would say 202 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: some would be being paid between ten and twenty thousand 203 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: dollars to promote the clothing, which they're then just on 204 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: selling making more money. Well that's all. We have to 205 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: remember that influencing is of course a business. And you know, 206 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: we did touch on the fact that these are free 207 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: gifted clothes. Obviously some of these people don't just get 208 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: gifted clothes. They get paid thousand of dollars to post 209 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: up a photo in the clothes or to do clothing halls, 210 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: and they require the clothes to obviously complete that job. 211 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: So some people have been of the opinion that what 212 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: influencers choose to do with the clothes is their business, 213 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: and they can make a profit if they choose to. However, personally, 214 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: for me, if I was the brand, it would leave 215 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: an incredibly sour taste in my mouth, because, as you 216 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: touched on, people want to actually believe that these people 217 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: are wearing the clothes. They like the clothes. And for me, 218 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: if I was a small business and I thought that 219 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: I had a genuine working relationship with these influences and 220 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: they were simply just tossing my clothes away. I would 221 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: be really pissed off, especially when it's being done so publicly, 222 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: and these influences are earning so much money. Have they 223 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: ever thought of just donating the clothes to charity. But 224 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: the other thing is this business is being promoted as 225 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: very eco friendly and against fast fashion, so they're basically 226 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: you're already labeling the business you're working with as fast 227 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: fashion as someone who's doing the wrong thing. On that 228 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: topic of fast fashion, I watched a documentary recently on 229 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: the fast fashion industry and I was so disturbed here 230 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: that it takes two hundred and thirty thousand liters of 231 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: water to make one cotton shirt. That is just so scary. 232 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: And the thing that discussed me is a lot of 233 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: these fast fashion brands, all they promote is excessive consumption 234 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: and disposal of these goods. Influencers are really adding to 235 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: that notion because they're never seen in a different outfit. 236 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Every Instagram photo they upload, they're in something new, obviously 237 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: because they have these clothes at their disposal. The positive 238 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: thing is there are some influencers who are doing the 239 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: right thing. There's Olivia Rodgers who is often promoting outfit repeating, 240 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: which I love because let's be honest, I usually wear 241 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: the same thing over and over again. I mean I 242 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: do remember back in the day going out and about 243 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: at night, which seems like a very long time ago, 244 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: and I know there was pressure to wear a new dress. However, 245 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: we really need to stop putting that pressure on people. 246 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: And I think, I mean, Instagram just makes it so 247 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: normal to be photographed in a different outfit every day 248 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: and that's just not realistic, nor is it good for 249 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: the environment. Can I just say, has anyone heard of DEEPO? 250 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to know how much Caitlin and 251 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: her wasteless company is going to be paid to pick 252 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: up these clothes and take photos of the clothing. I mean, 253 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, these influences are too busy. What did 254 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: most of them do all day work? Aren't they known 255 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: for taking photographs? So we're made to believe that they 256 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: can't even take a photograph of their own clothes potentially 257 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: put it on deepop or they've already got the photo 258 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: because I've taken it for the brand exactly since already done. 259 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: And as well as Deepop, there's the Hunter Markets in 260 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: Melbourne where a lot of influencers already sell their clothes, 261 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: so it seems like Caitlyn has taken some inspiration from that. 262 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: A number of influencers also have their own wardrobe pages 263 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: where they already sell clothes, so it's obviously not something new. Well, 264 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: of course, for US clubs, there's also Facebook marketplace, which 265 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: I have been known to sell my own clothes on. 266 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: Can I ask a question, is there a difference between 267 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: if an influencer sells something that they've just been gifted, 268 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: so they've been gifted to post about it, because I 269 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: feel like I don't think that that's as bad, but 270 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: you've been paid by the brand to promote it. No, 271 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: but I don't agree because Okay, so maybe if it 272 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: was White Fox had gifted Shiny Grimman something and she 273 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have any kind of relationship with the brand, and 274 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: she just passed it on and sold it. Perhaps, However, 275 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: if it's a small business who probably allocated some of 276 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: their small budget to sending an item of clothing to 277 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: Shany Grimman as an example, and she just then made 278 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: money off it, that would be different to me. But 279 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: what if she shared it, because clearly the brand's getting 280 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: value by that person sharing it. But she's actually not 281 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: physically being paid. She is being paid by the items. 282 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: I think it's a business. I don't think that if 283 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: you're a clothing store and you send an influencer a 284 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: shirt without any payment, I don't think that the influencer 285 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: has to pose in the shirt at all. I don't 286 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: think there's any sort of no. I'm not saying that. 287 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: But if they don't pose in the shirt and then 288 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: they sell the shirt, I think that's wrong. Just give 289 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: it to Vinnie's in the Salvos. They always need stuff. 290 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: Do you know what I find quite funny about this 291 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: whole thing that the idea has been created, well, it 292 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: seems to have been borrowed by the Hunter markets, but 293 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: the idea is being launched by someone who is basically 294 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: known as being an influencer's best Now, doesn't this just 295 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: seem like an idea that one of the influencer's best 296 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: friends does, because it's basically like, I'm going to make 297 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: it really easy for you to sell your clothes. I'm 298 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: going to photograph them, I'm going to put them up, 299 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: and I'm going to make a little bit of money 300 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: off it. But now it's just on a platform. She's 301 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: the Kim Kardashian too, the Paris Hilton maybe going to 302 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: take over. Can I just say though, I think it 303 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: is great for young people to start businesses, and good 304 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: on her for having a go, But I think that 305 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: this business idea is shrouded with so much hypocrisy that 306 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: it seems like she is literally biting the hand that 307 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: is feeding her, which are these fast fashion brands. I mean, 308 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: she was recently invited on a fast fashion trip. Yeah, 309 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: Kaitlyn and Madison recently attended beginning boutique staycation at Whale 310 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: Beach that was only a few weeks ago. Kaitlyn has 311 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: also promoted brands on her Instagram like Oh Poly, Nasty Gal, 312 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: and Princess Polly. So it seems really odd to build 313 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: an influencer career on promoting these fast fashion brands and 314 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: then bring out something that is against these brands. It's 315 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: not so much for me that she seems against these 316 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: fast fashion brands. It kind of seems awkward that she's 317 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: pointing out that the clothing needs to be disposed of ethically, 318 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: and also the fact that she's profiteering and double dipping 319 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: into the profit margins that she's already receiving. From the 320 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: brand that's so great. That is, she is completely double 321 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: dipping into it. I think, though I disagree, I think 322 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: she is actually rivaling the companies because if I'm a 323 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: fan of her or Madison or whoever the influencer is 324 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: that she's got on her platform, I'm not going to 325 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: be buying the clothes from Princess Pots, but I'm going 326 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: to be hopping on to Wasteless and I'm going to 327 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: be buying the cheap version of Yeah. But there's only 328 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: going to be one item of the clothing, like yes, 329 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: of course, there might be one person that then doesn't 330 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: buy from the platform and gets a bit of a discount, 331 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: and I'm presuming they're only going to have a very 332 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: small selection of clothing sizes available. The thing is, Caitlin's 333 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: been quite clever here. She obviously sees that her roommate 334 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: and best friend has been given all of these free 335 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: clothes constantly. You just have to look at Madison Willy's 336 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: Instagram and every day there is a new add up 337 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: for a fast fashioned brand. So she's obviously noticed this 338 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: and seeing that they this is a lucrative market. These 339 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: influencers need to get rid of this stuff. But it's 340 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: just done in a really stupid and hypocritical way. But 341 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: it's not the money, Eddie, how was it. 342 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 2: It's the horrible realization that I must have actually enjoyed 343 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: playing ping pong. 344 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: Let's get into the influencer wrap now. Lily Brown has 345 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: gone on a eight minute rant on her Instagram story 346 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: about her stay at the Ritz Carlton in Perth. So 347 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: she was there with influencer m Davies to celebrate EM's 348 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: birthday and the pair stayed there for two nights at 349 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: the luxury hotel. Now Lily told her followers that the 350 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: hotel cost eight hundred dollars a night. Now, after her stay, 351 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: as I said, she went on a massive rant because 352 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: she wasn't happy with not getting her drinks on time. 353 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Do you know what I loved about the rant? She 354 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: started off the Insta story by saying, now, a lot 355 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: of you guys have been asking me to review the Ritz. 356 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: I felt like saying, no one's asked you. You're clearly 357 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: using it as an excuse for your rant. Now, let's 358 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: just throw you to a couple of key points from 359 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: the rant. 360 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: They took about forty five minutes to come up to 361 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: the room and we tried them, and they tasted like 362 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: straight up mouthwash. That's the first thing that comes to 363 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: my mind. And I'm not being I'm not being pedictic, 364 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: but it was forty seven dollars for two margaritas that 365 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 2: tasted like mouthwash. So obviously I just like was not 366 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: happy with that, naturally, as that's a lot of money 367 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: for two drinks. So I just called them back and 368 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: I said, is it possible to have, like, can you 369 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: take these back or get them remade? Just because they 370 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: just don't taste like a normal margarita. And I would 371 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: consider myself a margarita conoisseur at this point. 372 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes. Has anyone else noticed that influencers keep 373 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: calling margarita's margs now? I don't know if it's just 374 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: because I'm not cooling up with the lingo. I feel 375 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: like the marg is now the apparel spirits of the 376 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty or the spicy mark. I keep seeing these 377 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: margaritas with a little bit of chili in them? Can 378 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: we get back into Lily Brown's marg Yeah? Well, she 379 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: seemed very unhappy with the time it took, but for me, 380 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: it just screamed out of the fact that she wasn't 381 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: happy because she wasn't getting these two for free. Now, 382 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: Lily has received a lot of all expenses paid trips, 383 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: so I know she would have many different trips to 384 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: compare her experience with. But I felt that this seemed 385 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: very out of taste, especially considering the tourism industry is 386 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: really struggling at the moment. That's the thing. They would 387 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: be incredibly understaffed in these hotels. Hotels are struggling so 388 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: much at the moment. It just seemed petty to be honest, 389 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: because you're going to get on your insist story and 390 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: rant about a business for eight minutes. Because the margarita's 391 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: taste are like mouth wash, she claim. What I found 392 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: really in poor taste was the fact that the hotel 393 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: actually gave them the margaritas for free. They then also 394 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: gave them a complimentary glass of wine. Now, there was 395 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: an error with the bill when they went to pay 396 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: for their room, however, they crossed it all off and 397 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: everything was sorted out. So it seemed very unfair that 398 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: she went on this rant. God, I can just imagine 399 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: them would have been like, do you know who we are? 400 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: We want those marks for free. I love this story 401 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: comes off the back of you complaining about not being 402 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: high enough in our hotel room. Infina, that's different. I 403 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: don't have a platform where I can. But you didn't 404 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: go on Instagram and complain about it. You just gave 405 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: them shit and then they Yeah, I's an'thing wrong with complaining. 406 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: But I feel like when you're an influencer who's in 407 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: quite an entitled position to go on and blast a 408 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: company like that because you margaritas weren't to your liking, 409 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: which they refunded, seems a little bit petty. And I'm 410 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: sure that you can afford the forty seven dollars margarita. Yeah, Well, 411 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: the thing that annoyed me it was like, oh, and 412 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: the margaritas were forty seven dollars and there was a 413 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: toasted cheese sandwich for eighteen dollars. Don't tell me you 414 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: can't afford that. How can someone who earns a lot 415 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: of money complain about the cost of a sandwich. They're 416 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: probably one of the only people that can afford a 417 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: bloody eighteen dollar toasty. Let's move on to influencer Shiny 418 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: grimmand And. On Wednesday afternoon, Shiney shared on her Instagram 419 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: that she feared she may have breast implant illness. Let's 420 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: have a listen to what she had to say. 421 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: I've been doing everything necessary to be feeling great, and 422 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: I'm not feeling great. So I need a Google brea 423 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 3: plant illness and like get my bloods done, check what 424 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: the fuck is going on because I am laying on 425 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: the couch at three point forty. 426 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: Just wondering what's happening with my body. 427 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: I have to get my boobs taken out. 428 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: That's not gonna look. 429 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: Oh shit, it's not funny. I just oh, honestly, I 430 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: haven't done any research about how you can get sick 431 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: from having food like fake boobs. But I've been seeing 432 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 3: a couple of people get their implants taken out, and 433 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: it just seems to be floating around the stand a 434 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 3: little bit more, becoming more common or maybe just like, 435 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 3: you know, more notice. So I just am scared to 436 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: go and google right now. I really hope it's not that. 437 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: I think it was very brave of Sharni to share 438 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: how her breast implants are going, because she very famously 439 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: uploaded a vlog about her breast implants in two thousand seventeen. 440 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: Now the vlog got over one point five million views, 441 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: and since then she uploaded several other videos about her experience, 442 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: and the experience so far has been mostly positive. So 443 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: I was quite surprised to hear that Shanny was having issues. Well, 444 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: I think she's so raw and honest about things. I 445 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: think really brave that she opened up about it because 446 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: so many people would try and hide it, and I 447 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: think it shows so many other young women who may 448 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: be experiencing the same symptoms as her to maybe go 449 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: and check it out. Well. Georgie Stevenson is another influencer 450 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: who has shared the experience of fearing that she does 451 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: have breast implant illness. She recently put up a log 452 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: where she talked about her breast implant removal surgery and 453 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: how she felt tired, had brain fog and memory loss. 454 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: And I think that was also really brave of her 455 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: to share because a lot of people would be experiencing 456 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: these symptoms it might be unaware what is actually causing them. Well, 457 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: I think the scary thing is that women get these 458 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: done so young, when they're just gutting onto the pill, 459 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: or they don't really know their bodies yet, so they 460 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: just assume that they're supposed to be this way, and 461 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: I think it is really good that these large influencers 462 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: are speaking about about their issues because it may make 463 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: people click and realize that's why I'm feeling this way. Look, 464 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to be completely honest. When I was doing 465 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: a bit of research into this story, I felt quite 466 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: uncomfortable going onto YouTube when I typed in breast implant vlogs. 467 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: So many influencers that I actually didn't realize had breast 468 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: implants shared their experiences about getting them. And for me, obviously, 469 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: women are allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies, 470 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: and I do feel for influencers because their job is 471 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: literally staring at photos of themselves all day, you know, 472 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: putting them out there onto different platforms and probably getting 473 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: a lot of trolling back. And I know there would 474 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: be a lot of pressure for them to have perfect bodies. 475 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: But I suppose what kind of scared me was the 476 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: fact that I saw the likes of m Davies, Ashley 477 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: Bynes l Darby, Tylia Scaines, Britney Saunders, Brooklyn, Kelly, Tasha Whitmore, 478 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Shan Exo, all these women who have gone onto YouTube 479 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: and shared their breast implant. You know, journeys with us. However, 480 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: it now seems to be emerging a few years later 481 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: that these poor women are now having really bad experiences 482 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: with the breast implant. So to me, I hate seeing that, 483 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: But then I hate to think how many other women 484 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: have been influenced by these initial videos of their breast 485 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: implant surgeries have gone and got them and are now 486 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: feeling really shit as well. Yeah, it is really tough 487 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: because a lot of these influencers are young themselves, so 488 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: they too have been influenced to look this way and 489 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: feel the pressure to look this wa. Well, it's like 490 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: the mold. Like it's funny because I was watching Tylier 491 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: Scain's vlog last night, and I only feel like it's 492 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: when Reese or a male comes in and starts watching 493 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: the vlogs that you realize that these influencers really spit 494 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: a certain mold. So Tylia and all their friends were 495 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: on a brand trip and Reese was like, why they 496 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: were wearing the same thing? Why do they all look 497 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: the same. And it's quite scary because they really do, 498 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: and they obviously really have been influenced to think that, hey, 499 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: we need to have big boobsh it, have blonde hair. 500 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: We need to have tan skin or we will not 501 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: get these big brand deals. All the followers and likes 502 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: that will then help set us up on the right 503 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: path for, you know, to be wealthy. Is that a 504 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: reflection of Instagram or a reflection of society and a 505 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: reflection of a certain age because I feel like a 506 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: lot of the influencers who are looking to cosmetic procedures 507 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: are in their early twenties and they probably do feel 508 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: really bad about themselves, and I think that's really sad. 509 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: But one positive of the experience of them vlogging, because 510 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: I can obviously see the negative side of it, where 511 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: people are feeling influenced to maybe get a boob job 512 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: because they want to look like their favorite influencer, But 513 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: there's also the other side where people might be put off. 514 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I've never personally wanted to get breast implants, 515 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 1: but watching that that confirmed me that I never would 516 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: because it looks like such an awful experience and media 517 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: actual vlogs about it, I know, but to me it 518 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: kind of makes plastic surgery because I mean, we've had 519 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: a discussion about this before, but plastic surgery really there 520 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: used to be something for the rich and the famous 521 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: it was sort of out of reach. However, when the 522 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: girl next door that you follow on Instagram and YouTube 523 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: is getting it done, it seems like something that everyone 524 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: gets done and it's really obtainable. But that's why I 525 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: think it's so equally important that these women do share 526 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: the real stories of what it's been like afterwards. And 527 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: I do think that they do undo some of that 528 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: damage that they did in the first place. Yeah, and 529 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: we've got to remember they were extremely young when they 530 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: got it, and I think it is great that they 531 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: continue to share their experience with their breast implants. Well, 532 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it really is up 533 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: to the individual what they do to their own body. Now, 534 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: moving on Instagram account, Celeb's spellcheck has revealed Sarah's Day's 535 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: big photoshop fail. Now, the influencer who prides herself on 536 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: being raw, was actually caught out photoshopping into her photo 537 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: a thigh gap. Now. Sarah's fiance Kurt, had posted the 538 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: original photo of Sarah in a one piece bathing suit 539 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: holding her son Fox back in May on his Instagram feed. Now, 540 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: in the photo, she has a visible However, on Saturday, 541 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: Kurt posted a video showing off his new Instagram presets, 542 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: which featured the photo from May. However, this time the 543 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: thigh gap wasn't there. The photoshop photo of the thigh 544 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: gap has now been deleted from Kurt's feed, however the 545 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: video with the preset remains. I have to say, I 546 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: thought this was really really sad that this has all 547 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: come out, because, as you said, Sarah does pride herself 548 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: on being real and raw and honest, and I think 549 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: it's really disappointing to see that they are photoshopping these photos, 550 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: because how does that make young, impressionable women feel. I 551 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: think it is disappointing, and she's definitely not the only 552 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: one to do it. We just have to look at 553 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: magazines and Instagram to see that so many people are 554 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: photoshopping themselves and feeling the need to do it. I 555 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: think the awkward thing was the presets Kurt was selling 556 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: were marketed as being designed for those special candid moments, 557 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: and it's sort of like, well, the photo is not 558 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 1: really candid because it's then been put through photoshop and 559 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: face tune and what have you, and then has a 560 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: filter over the top of it as well. The sad 561 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: thing is she looked amazing in the original photo, there 562 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: was no photoshopping that needed to take place at all. 563 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: I found it quite funny because there seems to be 564 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: a lot of influencers following celebs Spellcheck's page, and Sky 565 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: Wheatley commented on the posts that she couldn't actually see 566 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: the photoshopping, which was quite ironic because the photoshop is 567 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: so small, like it was something that was so unnecessary 568 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: to do. Well. I think it's because she looks so 569 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: great in the original photo, which is the really sad point. 570 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: It was good enough to share a lot of more 571 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: promising note. Influencer Steph Claire Smith has announced that she 572 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: will not be using filters on her Instagram story, and 573 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: I really love seeing her makeup free and filter free 574 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: on her story, particularly now that she's pregnant. I feel 575 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: like she seems so real and raw. And I suppose 576 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: that's what everyone was up in arms about Sarah because 577 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: that's kind of her brand, and the fact that she 578 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: has been caught out photoshopping really brings a lot of 579 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: different things into question over Sarah's brand. Now, I don't 580 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: think we can end this podcast without talking about influencer 581 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: Madison Woolly's controversial clothing law launch. Yeah, we had so 582 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: many people messaging us saying, please, we want to hear 583 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: your take on this, and we also had a thread 584 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: in the Facebook community, what are we actually talking about 585 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: the clothing itself or the wanky boat party. Yeah, I 586 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: think we should get into the clothes first. Now. As 587 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: we touched on in the first segment, Madison Mooly really 588 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: is the face of a number of fast fashion brands, 589 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: and that's why it seems so peculiar to me that 590 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: she is launching a brand that is based on very 591 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: timeless pieces that you hold onto for many years. And 592 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: while I think that's really good, it just seems so 593 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: strange to me that she is promoting fast fashion constantly 594 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: on her Instagram. Can I just say, though there is 595 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: no mention on her twenty third and Madison website whether 596 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: the clothes are sustainably made, where they're produced, are they 597 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: fast fashion? There's no answers on the website at all, 598 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: which if I was creating a brand and I had 599 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: gone through all the process of creating something that was sustainable, 600 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: I'd want to be talking about that on my website. 601 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: Especially when she uploaded four videos this week leading into 602 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: the launch of the brand explaining different bits and pieces 603 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: about it. I mean, wouldn't you think if this was 604 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: a main selling point of the brand, you would go 605 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: in depth about the sustainability. Well, I think one of 606 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: the issues has been the cost of the clothing, a 607 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: bit like Madison's coffee table book. These clothes aren't cheap, 608 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: so a lot of questions have been raised about whether 609 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: these clothes are sustainably sourced because of the price tag, 610 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: or whether she's just profiting off cheap fashion, you know, 611 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: putting the prices high and just making an absolute packet. Yeah, 612 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: it's really interesting because she is charging the same prices 613 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: as established brands like Kokai, Beckon Bridge shown a joy 614 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: and there is no story about where this leads goods 615 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: are coming from. Look, I understand with the pricing that 616 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: she's trying to put herself on the same sort of 617 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: pedestal as those brands. She wants to be comparable. I mean, 618 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: on her Instagram stories and her YouTube video, she shows 619 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: a lot of clothes she buys from Kokai, and I 620 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: could not help but see a lot of similarities between 621 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: things that she had bought from Kokai and things in 622 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: her range. Of course, everyone gets inspiration, but I feel 623 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: like she is trying to be a brand like Kokai, 624 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: particularly because because the sizing isn't very inclusive. Well, I 625 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: have to say it was a beautiful event. It was 626 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: held on this huge yacht. It had her branding emblazoned 627 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: on the window. There were balloons with her branding that 628 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: were pillows. It was a seafood buffet. It was a 629 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: very exquisite event. It was like an influencer event on ecstasy, 630 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: Like it was just all everything, Like anything you could 631 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: think of it was there and no expenses were spared 632 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: to put on this party. My favorite part was the 633 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: fact that Sammy Robinson was invited to the event. She 634 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: of course has her label one Mile and Sammy being Sammy, 635 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: missed the boat so she had to get a boat, 636 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: some sort of boat taxi to get up to That 637 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: was quite funny. I feel like that would be us 638 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: if we were ever invited to an event, we would 639 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: be late. I wait, hold my breath. That event, I've 640 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: got to say. In terms of social media presence, it 641 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: did get a lot of attention online, which is great 642 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: brand for twenty third of Madison. However, it did make 643 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: me think how much money was put into the event. 644 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: And how much money is she making off the brand, 645 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: as in, would that event have cost more than the 646 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: profits she'll be making off it. Well, one thing they 647 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: picked up was usually when an influencer sells a very 648 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: consumable product like clothing, it sells out within a day. 649 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: Like when Sarah's Day sells her active wear, it sells 650 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: out an hours. There are cues on the shop Sarah's 651 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: they could far in a bottle and label at White 652 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: Fox and it would sell out. It's kind of like chloe'szep. 653 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: You know, she drops a pair of bike shorts and 654 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: she's made about seventy grand that day. Yeah, and also 655 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: when you go on the website, it usually has crashed 656 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 1: and there's a lineup. However, all of the clothes are 657 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: still available on Madison Willie's shop, but that's because they're 658 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: a pre order. Similar to the book. I think she's 659 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: not taking many risks with these lines, so there would 660 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: be a large weight for those dresses to come in. 661 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: Do you know what I found actually more interesting than 662 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: that is the fact that she and her boyfriend Jonathan 663 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: seem to be really wanting to portray their relationship and 664 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: a very positive light at the moment and that comes 665 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: off the back of her podcast where she has been 666 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: quite open about talking about some of the struggles that 667 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: she's had with him, And I just find it all 668 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: a bit fake. I mean, she's opening up saying, yeah, yeah, 669 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: we struggled so much, I almost cheated on him. Yet 670 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: now they're mystery and missus perfect online. Well, it just 671 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: sort of feeds into that whole Instagram life, doesn't it, 672 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: and that everything has to appear perfect, But it's really not. 673 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: One thing that got under my skin was the fact 674 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: that every time Jonathan posted about Madison's success with launching 675 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: her own brand, he had to keep referring to her 676 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: as boss bitch. Now. I just found this really condescending. 677 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: And I mean, I know we've spoken about it off Mike. 678 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: We don't like the term boss bitch or girl boss. Like, 679 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: why do you have to point out that the boss 680 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: is female? Does this not just denigrate women in leadership roles? 681 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: You would never say, oh, good job, boy boss. How 682 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: patronizing is that you were just a boss? Well, I 683 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: actually think the whole thing's degrading. It's putting down her 684 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: achieved by calling her a boss bitch. I mean, I 685 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: don't actually think that Jonathan was intentionally trying to be 686 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: offensive either, but I think we need to educate people 687 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: that that's really not a term that you should be using. 688 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: And you know, he could have just said, here's the boss, 689 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: Madison Willie, or what's this fascination with being a boss? 690 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: Are you just a business owner? Like? Who were you 691 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: the boss of? Well? Also the whole bitch thing boss bitch. 692 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: It kind of has this connotation that the only way 693 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: women can be in charge is if they're bitchy and 694 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: like domin earring, which sort of annoys me because there 695 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: are so many different female leaders that have different qualities. 696 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: They don't they're not all just bitches. Well, I think 697 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: that's all we've got time for today. Thank you so 698 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: much for listening to the episode. 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