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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is the opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leah Finocchio.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah, Good.

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Speaker 3: Morning Katie in to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Aaliah. There is a lot to cover off on this morning.

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Speaker 1: I might just start with the situation that we've seen

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Speaker 1: overnight at the Marara subway. Some terrible photos, of course,

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Speaker 1: have emerged on social media of that subway well smashed up.

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Speaker 1: They have had the panes of glass obviously broken. They

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Speaker 1: say that, you know that there are more videos they've got.

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Speaker 1: They've got six stores and they've got quite the collection

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Speaker 1: and it's time to make some noise. They are obviously

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Speaker 1: quite over it.

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Speaker 2: Leah. Have you seen what's happened out there at Marara Subway?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I have, and you can just reading that Facebook post

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Speaker 4: that they put out, you can hear the exasperation in

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Speaker 4: their voice.

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Speaker 3: I mean, people just don't know what to do anymore.

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Speaker 4: It's costing business and absolute fortune in what is already

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Speaker 4: a very difficult time with cost of living and everything

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Speaker 4: else that's happening. And they just want government to listen

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Speaker 4: to them and do something. But you know, it's been

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Speaker 4: six long years where we continuously talk about crime stats

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Speaker 4: going up every single month, breaking enters happening, recidivist defending,

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Speaker 4: and that repeat defending, and nothing ever getting done. And

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Speaker 4: I think today's announcement around increasing bit securities again, it's

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Speaker 4: just that the band.

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Speaker 3: Aid it's not actually fixing the problem.

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Speaker 1: I will get to that in just a moment, but

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Speaker 1: I just want to point out that Subway Marara, they

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Speaker 1: say they've been targeted six times this year for similar

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Speaker 1: damage and it's only July. In the past week alone,

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Speaker 1: they've had thousands of dollars of damage done at this.

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Speaker 2: Store, not once, but twice.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention that these kids with ankle bracelets pulled

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Speaker 1: a knife, scissors and through multiple glass bottles at staff

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Speaker 1: to clean up and discard contaminated food.

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Speaker 2: The thing is here, though you're.

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Speaker 1: Actually talking about it being incredibly unsafe as.

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Speaker 2: Well for the staff member.

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Speaker 3: Z exactly.

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Speaker 4: And we tried just last settings to pass life legislation

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Speaker 4: that protects frontline workers because of course, what we're seeing

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Speaker 4: with an increase in violent offending, particularly and as you

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Speaker 4: just describe people using weapons, I mean in broad daylight

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Speaker 4: in shops, and that's why we wanted to pass legislation

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Speaker 4: to ensure that anyone who assaulted a person in their

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Speaker 4: place of work saw actual imprisonment. Now that was not

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Speaker 4: backed by government for you know, no real explanation as

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Speaker 4: to why they wouldn't support something like that. But the

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Speaker 4: concern is as crime increases, violent offending is increasing, the

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Speaker 4: resources it's taking with police means they're not able to

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Speaker 4: get around and take care of everything that needs to

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Speaker 4: be done. People are left victimized and they're left carrying

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Speaker 4: the baby. I mean, they've got the bills to pay,

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Speaker 4: they've got traumatized staff, they've got products they have lost

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Speaker 4: or stolen that they have to remove. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: is just an unsustainable situation, and yet they're not there's

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Speaker 4: no respite insight. You know, there's just no plan coming

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Speaker 4: forward from government about what they're going to do to

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Speaker 4: cause a circuit breaker so that this just stops.

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Speaker 1: Well today they haven't our It's what I guess they

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Speaker 1: might think is a circuit breaker, and that is you know,

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Speaker 1: what they say is focused on creating safer communities with

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Speaker 1: a number of initiatives aimed at preventing crime and anti

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Speaker 1: social behavior. So they're announcing this cross agency collaboration, which

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Speaker 1: is obviously, they say, established to provide a holistic and

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Speaker 1: behavior across the region. Now, I'm obviously just going through

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Speaker 1: all this information and you're hearing it firsthand, but what

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Speaker 1: it's essentially going to see is police officers and those

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Speaker 1: have new CCTV installed in Alice Springs along with Jingly

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Speaker 1: expand those CCTV networks. They're also announcing a public Order

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Speaker 1: It is going to be wild in Palmeston and the

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Speaker 1: They're also then announcing those changes to be secure. Lea,

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Speaker 1: do you think that these initiatives are going to make

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Speaker 4: I've read this morning, Katie, these initiatives, there is absolutely

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Speaker 4: nothing new in it. The security patrols have been happening

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Speaker 4: for quite some time now. Certainly I'm sure they are

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Speaker 3: So that's not new CCTV.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: If the government wants to put in more CCTV, that's great,

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Speaker 4: but what they need to be doing is funding more

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Speaker 4: only as good as proactive as you can be. So

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Speaker 4: But if it's just a tool for after the event,

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Speaker 2: And actually, would you not implement these changes?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think my point is they're already there. Everything

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Speaker 4: that's been in place for years, that has really been

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Speaker 4: something government has tried very hard to work.

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Speaker 1: On I'm sure there's seen something that police have said

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Speaker 1: before that you know, they've not been able to, like

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Speaker 1: that it's quite difficult for the police then to be

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Speaker 2: So surely that's a good thing. Yeah, it is there.

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Speaker 4: They're all good things, but they've all been happening for

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Speaker 4: a long time. So again, there's nothing new today. I

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Speaker 4: know is that Natasha Files has been the Alcohol Minister

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Speaker 4: for six years she was the Attorney General. Alcohol is

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Speaker 4: a major part of all of this antisocial behavior and

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Speaker 3: And so until the.

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Speaker 4: Governments start to really look at alcohol as a major

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Speaker 4: issue and do something differently there, none of these other

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Speaker 2: Leah.

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Speaker 1: One of the other topics that we have spoken about

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of days, we caught up, of course,

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Speaker 1: with the see of Central Property Group to talk about

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Speaker 1: issues with crime and anti social behavior. They obviously want

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Speaker 1: to see changes to the trespass legislation which would allow

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Speaker 1: Do you think that those businesses should be able to

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Speaker 1: here that there is already that legislation in place but

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Speaker 1: we're not using it.

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Speaker 4: Look, we know that the legislation is already there. We've

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Speaker 4: gone back and had to look at that. Now if

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Speaker 3: Like they're doing something.

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Speaker 4: If it is that they're doing a review and looking

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Speaker 4: at toughening trespass laws, then we will back that all

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Speaker 3: Katie.

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Speaker 4: We believe in the rights of property owners and we

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Speaker 4: it's just really basic fundamentals about putting victims first. And

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Speaker 4: so if government are going to be toughening trespass laws,

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Speaker 4: then great, But so far all they've announced is a

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Speaker 4: current provision which means businesses and property owners can kick

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, that's going to be the difficult part.

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Speaker 3: It's a hard time.

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Speaker 1: You know. We'd heard from Warren Ebbert yesterday, the see

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Speaker 1: of Centinel Property Group that they're spending an enormous amount

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Speaker 1: of money on private security, a lot more than what

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Speaker 1: that it is an issue. Now. I do want to

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Speaker 1: TiO Stadium. We know that that sporting stadium has yet

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Speaker 1: to be certified under the Building Act of nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 4: I think everything we've talked about today, including these, is

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Speaker 4: I mean, this issue with TOO and other buildings has

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Speaker 4: seen to be taking steps. We've said all along. You know,

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Speaker 4: the government needs to be the model proponent in our community.

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Speaker 4: And so if it's good for the government not to

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Speaker 4: have to have an occupancy permit, why is the private

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Speaker 4: coming to the table very late in the piece. This

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Speaker 4: seems very superficial to me.

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Speaker 2: It most certainly has.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's something that's been dragging on throughout both

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Speaker 1: sides of government, particularly with TiO Stadium. Should we be

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Speaker 1: doing more though right now when it comes to Toios Stadium.

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Speaker 4: Oh, without question, And this is something we've tried to

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Speaker 4: uncover in Parliament.

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Speaker 3: We've looked at it during estimates.

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Speaker 4: We have tried as have media outlets to get to

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Speaker 4: the bottom of what is going on with TiO Stadium

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Speaker 4: and what is the plan. But the government just continues

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Speaker 4: to treat Territorians with contempt around this issue. There's no

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Speaker 4: real information around whether it's safe, whether games should still

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Speaker 4: be being held, what the plan is, what the pathway

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Speaker 4: to an occypency permit is, and so Territorians continue to

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon we should still be having events?

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Speaker 3: Well again, we just don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, presumably it's safe enough, but then how can

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Speaker 4: it be safe enough if they can't have an occupancy permit.

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Speaker 4: So this is where government needs to start stop worrying

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Speaker 4: about you know how it looks, and start actually expressing

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Speaker 4: can have confidence. If it's just a paperwork issue, then

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Speaker 4: let's sort the paperwork out. But if it's a health

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Speaker 1: Now. We have learned as well this morning that the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Government is defending its decision to spend almost

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Speaker 1: half a million dollars repairing the Howard Springs Quarantine Facility.

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Speaker 1: The center officially closes, as we know, on Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: according to a report by the ABC, less than three

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, the Northern Territory Government awarded a four hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars tender to replace damage flooring in the kitchen

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Speaker 1: and common areas, saying that as the facility is on

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Speaker 1: standby to be stood up at any time, that those

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Speaker 1: repairs needed to take place and had to be done

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Speaker 1: at a time when the facility was empty.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that this is money well spent?

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Speaker 4: Well, my understanding is it's federal government money, and you know,

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Speaker 4: money well spent.

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Speaker 3: Who really knows, Katie. I mean we've been trying to.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately it's tax pased.

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Speaker 4: It is, it's a territory absolutely absolutely. I mean it

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Speaker 4: sounds dubious to me. What is the future of this facility.

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Speaker 3: We don't know.

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Speaker 4: We know it costs the territory government five million dollars

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Speaker 4: so I know the FEDS are tipping in just in

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Speaker 4: case we have another pandemic type situation. But that can't

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Speaker 4: continue on forever. And I think government need to sort

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Speaker 4: are for because of course Impacts was always supposed to

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Speaker 4: and so what is the future of that facility going

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Speaker 4: to be? But we've certainly been trying to uncover where

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Speaker 4: we've heard stories of significant damage in that facility well

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Speaker 4: beyond the flooring, so you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: Why people who've stayed there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it'd be interesting to see really if this

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Speaker 4: is just four hundred thousand dollars in those common areas,

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Speaker 4: of whether it's actual destruction everywhere Apple.

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Speaker 2: To get any of that info throughout the estimates, so

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Speaker 2: not that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 4: We're combing back through estimates obviously and all of the

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Speaker 4: answers to global questions, and we'll be submitting a lot

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Speaker 4: of questions has written questions now that estimates has closed.

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Speaker 4: But we're certainly keen to look at that. And I

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Speaker 4: think the government needs to be very transparent around what

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Speaker 4: is federal money and what is territory money, because of

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Speaker 4: course we had half a billion dollars given to the

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Speaker 4: territory government by the fence, so that money needs to

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Speaker 4: be used wisely.

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Speaker 1: Well opposition ly to Leo Fanocchiaro, we better leave it there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Take care everyone,