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Speaker 1: Black Cast Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges

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Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this

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Speaker 1: episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land

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Speaker 1: where you, the listener ofvier are tuning in from. We

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Speaker 1: would like to pay our respects to our elders past

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bales.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me for another deadly episode of

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Speaker 1: the Black Magic Woman Podcast. Here on the beautiful unseeded

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Speaker 1: lands of the Wadjack Nungar People's or Wadjack Nungar Budja,

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Speaker 1: I'm learning some language, and I think it's so important

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Speaker 1: that wherever we go that we learn at least how

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Speaker 1: to greet people. Is a kaya. Yes, there's some little

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Speaker 1: words that I've been picking up because I've had some

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Speaker 1: deadly guests on this couch while i've been here. And

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Speaker 1: today we're going to talk to two more deadly people

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Speaker 1: about their lives, their business, what they're doing, their kids.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to tell you too much. I'm

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Speaker 1: to say thank you for taking time to come here

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Speaker 1: and be part of this deadly podcast for my listeners

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Speaker 1: and also viewers on YouTube. Can you introduce yourself? So

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Speaker 1: what's your name? Are your mob is a little bit

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Speaker 1: about where you grew up.

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Speaker 3: I've got evening ladies and gentlemen. My name is Walter

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Speaker 3: Maguire Jr. My my bush name younger name is jindin Ye. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm a young bidman man and we also have family

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Speaker 3: ties with the bunch of my people and the Purbral

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Speaker 3: But all the other old people are young people. Yes.

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Speaker 3: So my parents are Wally and May McGuire, and I'm

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Speaker 3: from a family of seven siblings, six brothers and one sister.

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Speaker 3: She's my favorite sister, of course I always say that,

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Speaker 3: and I'm her favorite brother. But yeah, I grew up

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Speaker 3: in in neng Our Country, battle Doong Old people have

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Speaker 3: moved around through colonization invasion time and so yeah, we

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Speaker 3: grew up in Balladon Country just over east of watch

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Speaker 3: in the mid to late seventies and so been here

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that late half hoars ballad from here, yeah area.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. You had an easterly direction on the

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Speaker 3: there Kara Muda or the Darling's carp you come to

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Speaker 3: a certain point and cross over into battleline country.

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Speaker 1: And for people like myself and also people that are

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Speaker 1: tuning in or watching anywhere in the world, what does

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Speaker 1: a country look like if I could picture it or

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Speaker 1: if you could describe it?

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Speaker 3: Oh, paradise, Yeah country, What can I say? I'm biased anyway,

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Speaker 3: so I do apologize. I've seen some beautiful country my

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Speaker 3: wife's country, of course, better say that very close. But

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Speaker 3: sorry for that. She'll get to tea tell her story short,

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Speaker 3: I suppose, but yeah, no, it's it's like I suppose

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Speaker 3: the many countries of the many average and language nations

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Speaker 3: on what is now called Australia, we have beautiful countries,

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Speaker 2: And over here my sister, hey oh, look at and

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Speaker 2: Guinea Angar. I am Kungarakan on my mother's side, English

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Speaker 1: And he was only about three then A yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow do you remember yeah, oh.

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Speaker 1: When we were yawning last night and you mentioned a name,

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Speaker 1: Joe McGinnis. And when I was studying at Bachelor, that

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Speaker 2: He was very instrumental, you know, workers' unions back in

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Speaker 2: So yeah, really that that kind of drives out. There's

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Speaker 2: Lucy was just straight from the bush, so allian double.

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Speaker 1: Her name was Yeah, don't go judge and a book

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful a sister. So all I can.

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Speaker 1: Say, I don't undercover unless I put a beautiful dress

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Speaker 1: you could just be yarning about those experiences you know,

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Speaker 1: but we grew up in Redfern, which is very same

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Speaker 1: So that's the McGinnis name. Yeah, yeah, it comes from that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Jack Jack mcginner's was the first. Who's Joe's brother

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Speaker 2: my now get it in order. That's my grandmother, my

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Speaker 2: mother's mother's brothers. So Joe was your little brother. Jack

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Speaker 2: Jack McGinnis, John Jack McGinnis was the first half cast

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Speaker 2: a big, splashy newspaper article in the People magazine that

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Speaker 2: Jack McGinnis was the first half cast union boss.

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Speaker 1: That was the title, was a big that was a

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was the wording.

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Speaker 1: Wow. See these conversations that we having today, you just

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Speaker 1: don't know where it's gonna go. Yep, letting me people

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Speaker 1: grandchildren of which one one, yeah, one recently three months old.

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Speaker 2: Two years congratulations, Yeah, thank you to two daughters thirty

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Speaker 1: Don't forget me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think this year she's twenty seven. I

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Speaker 2: Really proud of them, both very very musical, very arty,

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Speaker 2: where they where they get proud of.

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Speaker 1: Them, where they get the music and the art from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my mum was a good artist. But you know,

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Speaker 2: having said that, I mean that's yeah, they're living my

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Speaker 2: life as musicians and actors and the best. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: one that I thought I could have. But you know,

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Speaker 1: A librarian. Yeah, look at that. Well, I'll be riching

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to forget about that. No, No, I mean

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Speaker 2: I've been lots of things. Librari and research officer, worked

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Speaker 1: All that is that really, I was Matt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we met in the Department of Aboriginal Affairs, didn't

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Speaker 2: we hunt, Yes, we decided to have.

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Speaker 3: One thirty six years later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to still going and now you're here

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Speaker 1: I first heard about you, in particular, while I heard

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Speaker 1: about you through our tours at Blackheart because my best

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Speaker 1: curate some cultural immersions on country cultural immersions with traditional

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Speaker 1: connect with local traditional owners, not just any business. And

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Speaker 1: I got my best friend that was doing the tours

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Speaker 1: at the time to start looking around the whole country

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Speaker 1: to curate these experiences for a client of ours. So

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Speaker 1: you came up, you know, being oh, yep, let's go

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Speaker 1: and engage with him. And then my sister Yarick has

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Speaker 1: a big shout out to Yarika, who also is a

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Speaker 1: trainer at Black Cat and tour guide. You know, with

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Speaker 1: And Yarick has said that she met you had a

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Speaker 1: tourism Indigenous Tourism conference in Lawn, Victoria. And when she

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Speaker 1: my itinery. He's already checkers And she said, well, if

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Speaker 1: So here we are Jaika sitting on this cat, having

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Speaker 1: this yard. So what made you go from indigenous affairs

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Speaker 1: to tourism.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we pretty much run out of employers, state and

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Speaker 1: I didn't want you anymore.

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Speaker 3: Working with our present corporations too, and some of the

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Speaker 3: private sector. But mind you, we we had have and

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Speaker 3: had at the time enough qualifications experienced up our sleeves

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Speaker 1: This is true story. Real have black filers. We're proper hustling.

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Speaker 1: I say to people all the time, you know, to

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Speaker 1: the videos.

436
00:26:12,871 --> 00:26:15,191
Speaker 2: Jindo and Jennung look to the Stars. That was our

437
00:26:15,231 --> 00:26:20,391
Speaker 2: stargazing event we are put together. We've got a really deadly.

438
00:26:21,791 --> 00:26:22,111
Speaker 1: Lady.

439
00:26:22,191 --> 00:26:26,511
Speaker 2: She helps us just as our right hand woman. She's

440
00:26:26,551 --> 00:26:30,231
Speaker 2: an environmental scientist, so we work really closely with her

441
00:26:30,271 --> 00:26:33,231
Speaker 2: and she just encourages us all the way and we

442
00:26:33,311 --> 00:26:35,751
Speaker 2: come up with these things and go now help us

443
00:26:36,071 --> 00:26:37,951
Speaker 2: just you know, we need a team now to put

444
00:26:37,991 --> 00:26:41,071
Speaker 2: this all thing together. So every now and then we

445
00:26:41,151 --> 00:26:43,671
Speaker 2: call on people like her and the young people to

446
00:26:44,551 --> 00:26:48,151
Speaker 2: dance operate the Wargle, which is a thirty five meter

447
00:26:48,271 --> 00:26:53,351
Speaker 2: long inflatable which was actually was it Mateing Melbourne or

448
00:26:53,431 --> 00:26:58,911
Speaker 2: Queensland Rainbow the Rainbow Serpent. Yeah, he's got lights inside

449
00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:03,351
Speaker 2: him and Walter designed the outside skin, so it's Walter's

450
00:27:03,391 --> 00:27:07,871
Speaker 2: joy of the Wargle lights lights up. He's been to

451
00:27:08,391 --> 00:27:12,791
Speaker 2: stadium during the dog Nichols round. He's been at Genda

452
00:27:12,871 --> 00:27:17,511
Speaker 2: and Jennung and all around the city. So Raw Perth,

453
00:27:18,151 --> 00:27:22,631
Speaker 2: who Raw Perth. We're all Perth Agricultural Society of w

454
00:27:22,751 --> 00:27:31,271
Speaker 2: a Royal Agricultural Society of way. They put it together.

455
00:27:31,351 --> 00:27:37,391
Speaker 2: They sponsored that and then donated Wagle to us after

456
00:27:37,431 --> 00:27:39,751
Speaker 2: the fact. But he appeared at the Royal Perth show

457
00:27:39,871 --> 00:27:44,271
Speaker 2: for seven nights running and to fireworks in the background

458
00:27:44,351 --> 00:27:49,631
Speaker 2: and everyone putting their light, camera, phone, camera lights on

459
00:27:49,711 --> 00:27:53,471
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was was good fun. We've done some

460
00:27:53,511 --> 00:28:01,111
Speaker 2: really fun stuff like that and also run nightly shows ourselves,

461
00:28:01,151 --> 00:28:05,871
Speaker 2: produced it and stage managed it ourself a series at

462
00:28:06,311 --> 00:28:07,191
Speaker 2: Jagan Square.

463
00:28:07,871 --> 00:28:12,191
Speaker 3: So the girls they did all the girls engineered all

464
00:28:12,191 --> 00:28:17,751
Speaker 3: the music that garage band app and know how they

465
00:28:17,751 --> 00:28:22,111
Speaker 3: did it to get the background and then you added

466
00:28:22,151 --> 00:28:24,751
Speaker 3: to that and so it was just off the charts.

467
00:28:24,791 --> 00:28:28,111
Speaker 3: And we just come in and with a couple of

468
00:28:28,151 --> 00:28:30,711
Speaker 3: sticks and made some fires and they just smoking ceremony

469
00:28:30,751 --> 00:28:31,391
Speaker 3: walk in the country.

470
00:28:31,471 --> 00:28:32,991
Speaker 1: We just whipped all together just like that.

471
00:28:33,071 --> 00:28:38,071
Speaker 2: An't call on the heap, No, it's good fun when

472
00:28:38,111 --> 00:28:41,591
Speaker 2: you're when you're doing. It's fantastic knowing that that's your show.

473
00:28:42,231 --> 00:28:48,351
Speaker 2: You know, We've done T shirts, We've sold little gift packs.

474
00:28:49,631 --> 00:28:51,791
Speaker 2: We do a thing called the message scrolls, which are

475
00:28:51,791 --> 00:28:53,911
Speaker 2: good at conferences and everything like that.

476
00:28:54,271 --> 00:28:59,471
Speaker 1: And just just for one moment, these message scrolls are

477
00:28:59,351 --> 00:29:03,791
Speaker 1: a beautiful, beautiful like that in terms of creativity and

478
00:29:05,271 --> 00:29:09,071
Speaker 1: like innovation, I was just blown away when I saw

479
00:29:09,111 --> 00:29:10,671
Speaker 1: some of those pictures. We're gonna have to share some

480
00:29:10,751 --> 00:29:13,671
Speaker 1: of those pictures for this episode, so I'll have to

481
00:29:13,671 --> 00:29:17,191
Speaker 1: reach out to you, and they.

482
00:29:17,071 --> 00:29:19,591
Speaker 3: Are available and customize to their client's needs.

483
00:29:19,671 --> 00:29:21,431
Speaker 1: That's what we need to do. We need to let

484
00:29:21,471 --> 00:29:23,671
Speaker 1: people know because a lot of people listening and watching this,

485
00:29:25,031 --> 00:29:30,551
Speaker 1: you know this yarn probably people who have you know,

486
00:29:30,631 --> 00:29:34,551
Speaker 1: decision making power in some of these organizations and are

487
00:29:34,591 --> 00:29:39,031
Speaker 1: looking for corporate gifts or looking to increase this band

488
00:29:39,151 --> 00:29:42,951
Speaker 1: with indigenous suppliers yes, or looking to bring their staff

489
00:29:43,111 --> 00:29:47,271
Speaker 1: or people to a conference over on your country, and

490
00:29:47,831 --> 00:29:50,591
Speaker 1: you could create a whole experience from look after the

491
00:29:50,631 --> 00:29:54,431
Speaker 1: corporate gifts. Do they're welcoming, bring them on country, do

492
00:29:54,551 --> 00:29:57,631
Speaker 1: the tours. There's nothing that you followers can't do. You're

493
00:29:57,671 --> 00:30:00,871
Speaker 1: like a one stop shop. Thank you yeah, thank you.

494
00:30:01,391 --> 00:30:07,911
Speaker 1: What's missing. What's missing is one of the challenges as

495
00:30:07,951 --> 00:30:12,631
Speaker 1: a small, family owned Aboriginal business that's got probably more

496
00:30:12,671 --> 00:30:16,471
Speaker 1: awards than any other Abriisinal tourism business in this country.

497
00:30:16,711 --> 00:30:17,871
Speaker 1: What's some of the challenges.

498
00:30:18,031 --> 00:30:21,871
Speaker 2: I think resourcing and staffing. It's an issue for everyone.

499
00:30:21,991 --> 00:30:26,991
Speaker 2: I realized that the demand for what we offer is

500
00:30:27,471 --> 00:30:30,871
Speaker 2: so we actually have to turn business away. Not not

501
00:30:30,951 --> 00:30:33,431
Speaker 2: a good position to be in, but it's a lovely

502
00:30:33,471 --> 00:30:38,351
Speaker 2: position to be in that position of being desired I

503
00:30:38,391 --> 00:30:42,231
Speaker 2: guess as a as a tourism product, and we really

504
00:30:42,311 --> 00:30:46,431
Speaker 2: value that reputation. So I think the biggest thing, the

505
00:30:46,431 --> 00:30:50,431
Speaker 2: biggest challenge is getting staff on who kind of see

506
00:30:50,431 --> 00:30:52,871
Speaker 2: it as a career choice really and it's it is

507
00:30:52,911 --> 00:30:56,071
Speaker 2: a damn good one in what we do.

508
00:30:56,151 --> 00:31:01,311
Speaker 1: So especially if you've got the goal awards. Yes, right,

509
00:31:01,391 --> 00:31:05,671
Speaker 1: Like there's like you said, that's a career choice. There's

510
00:31:05,911 --> 00:31:09,791
Speaker 1: nothing that we can't achieve in terms of creativity, innovation,

511
00:31:10,711 --> 00:31:15,911
Speaker 1: the cultural knowledge, everything you know that we offer as

512
00:31:15,951 --> 00:31:21,591
Speaker 1: black Fils and what we can offer, but it's limited,

513
00:31:21,671 --> 00:31:24,271
Speaker 1: you know, we're limits said because of the resource thing.

514
00:31:24,631 --> 00:31:27,751
Speaker 2: Yes, so that's probably one of the ideas we just

515
00:31:27,791 --> 00:31:30,711
Speaker 2: haven't brought to fruition yet. We keep thinking of them

516
00:31:30,711 --> 00:31:33,991
Speaker 2: and stop. We've got stop. Do this one first, you know.

517
00:31:34,911 --> 00:31:38,391
Speaker 2: But you know, if if we had unlimited resources, you

518
00:31:38,631 --> 00:31:41,671
Speaker 2: you would not see that. Yeah, you wouldn't see us

519
00:31:41,711 --> 00:31:44,271
Speaker 2: for dus because we're just we just want to make

520
00:31:44,311 --> 00:31:47,471
Speaker 2: it all happen and with respect. Because we don't just

521
00:31:47,711 --> 00:31:50,391
Speaker 2: go at bullet agate and go we can do this.

522
00:31:50,751 --> 00:31:52,631
Speaker 2: We don't just do it because we can do it.

523
00:31:52,711 --> 00:31:55,831
Speaker 2: We think about it first. Is it respectful? Is it sustainable?

524
00:31:55,911 --> 00:31:58,951
Speaker 2: Is it Is it something that you know, the elders

525
00:31:58,991 --> 00:32:01,271
Speaker 2: would approve of or our ancestors would like.

526
00:32:01,791 --> 00:32:03,271
Speaker 1: There's that cultural integrity.

527
00:32:03,671 --> 00:32:07,231
Speaker 2: It's cultural integrity for sure, and we really take that

528
00:32:07,311 --> 00:32:09,951
Speaker 2: quite seriously. We're afraid of what will happen if we

529
00:32:09,991 --> 00:32:10,391
Speaker 2: don't do.

530
00:32:10,391 --> 00:32:13,351
Speaker 1: It right, and something will happen. We know them, our people,

531
00:32:13,431 --> 00:32:17,151
Speaker 1: they're always watching. So if you could share your kind

532
00:32:17,191 --> 00:32:20,631
Speaker 1: of I don't know what's one of the career highlights

533
00:32:20,631 --> 00:32:23,711
Speaker 1: for you, fellas before we wrap up this yarn or

534
00:32:23,791 --> 00:32:26,351
Speaker 1: something you might be able to leave our listeners and

535
00:32:26,431 --> 00:32:30,311
Speaker 1: viewers with for being, you know, one of the most

536
00:32:30,311 --> 00:32:34,231
Speaker 1: awarded black tourism businesses in the country like this is

537
00:32:34,311 --> 00:32:41,311
Speaker 1: unbelievable and you just walking around here just nobody. This

538
00:32:41,471 --> 00:32:44,391
Speaker 1: is amazing and we need to really celebrate.

539
00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:47,911
Speaker 2: We're humbled by that, you know, and we we just

540
00:32:47,991 --> 00:32:52,231
Speaker 2: that's why we tread quite carefully and sustainably. And I

541
00:32:52,231 --> 00:32:56,791
Speaker 2: think do you want to answer that one? Yeah, because

542
00:32:56,831 --> 00:33:01,951
Speaker 2: I think a lot like I really and wanted about

543
00:33:01,991 --> 00:33:05,111
Speaker 2: the awards. We didn't get into this business for the awards.

544
00:33:05,431 --> 00:33:10,111
Speaker 2: What I after seeing hundreds or thousands of tourists at

545
00:33:10,111 --> 00:33:15,511
Speaker 2: this point from probably thirty different countries over the eight

546
00:33:15,591 --> 00:33:19,191
Speaker 2: years that we've been operating and done, I don't know,

547
00:33:19,911 --> 00:33:22,871
Speaker 2: we've probably seen hundreds of thousands of people at welcomes

548
00:33:22,911 --> 00:33:28,711
Speaker 2: and events that we've been part of. I think the highlight,

549
00:33:29,151 --> 00:33:32,551
Speaker 2: I guess is that the profile we've seen, this wave

550
00:33:32,871 --> 00:33:38,071
Speaker 2: of awareness and respect and despite what the bad stuff

551
00:33:38,111 --> 00:33:42,391
Speaker 2: that we've seen, we also find real hope and joy

552
00:33:42,671 --> 00:33:47,231
Speaker 2: in seeing people light up and really appreciate the information

553
00:33:47,391 --> 00:33:50,151
Speaker 2: that they've been pretty too.

554
00:33:50,191 --> 00:33:51,311
Speaker 1: And I guess it's.

555
00:33:51,231 --> 00:33:53,911
Speaker 2: Gifted with and it is it is sometimes hard to

556
00:33:54,831 --> 00:33:58,031
Speaker 2: talk about the stuff that we talk about, especially in

557
00:33:58,071 --> 00:34:02,191
Speaker 2: the city situation, So just to see that kind of

558
00:34:03,311 --> 00:34:05,111
Speaker 2: in life and not I guess on their face or

559
00:34:05,111 --> 00:34:07,871
Speaker 2: they're lighting up with that information. They've never kind of

560
00:34:08,151 --> 00:34:12,991
Speaker 2: heard it that way before. And we're not guilt tripping them,

561
00:34:13,071 --> 00:34:15,551
Speaker 2: I guess, because that's not going to do anyone any.

562
00:34:16,231 --> 00:34:17,191
Speaker 1: I love that approach.

563
00:34:18,111 --> 00:34:25,751
Speaker 3: What about for you, I suppose the don't go into

564
00:34:25,791 --> 00:34:27,391
Speaker 3: tourism if you want to make money.

565
00:34:27,791 --> 00:34:31,511
Speaker 1: That's a good piece of advice, because you're not going

566
00:34:31,551 --> 00:34:33,111
Speaker 1: to house tomorrow.

567
00:34:32,911 --> 00:34:37,991
Speaker 3: No, not even ten years or twenty years. If you

568
00:34:38,031 --> 00:34:40,791
Speaker 3: want to tell your stories, then you're a good storyteller.

569
00:34:42,111 --> 00:34:44,391
Speaker 3: You want to share yours that are you know, and

570
00:34:44,431 --> 00:34:47,911
Speaker 3: you may be the that that person in your family,

571
00:34:48,551 --> 00:34:50,071
Speaker 3: you know, do it. It's and it's not going to

572
00:34:50,111 --> 00:34:52,671
Speaker 3: be easy. Don't expect any help from any of your family.

573
00:34:53,831 --> 00:34:56,471
Speaker 3: And if you want to do it, you love it

574
00:34:56,511 --> 00:35:02,431
Speaker 3: so much, give it a crack, and but also make

575
00:35:02,471 --> 00:35:05,511
Speaker 3: sure that you take the time out your need to also,

576
00:35:07,751 --> 00:35:12,231
Speaker 3: you know, rest your spirit and your whole being. You

577
00:35:12,351 --> 00:35:13,871
Speaker 3: have to sit down on the country you get to

578
00:35:13,911 --> 00:35:16,831
Speaker 3: take yourself away from because people will be dragging you

579
00:35:16,871 --> 00:35:20,311
Speaker 3: from all over the place and pulling you apart, and

580
00:35:20,351 --> 00:35:24,351
Speaker 3: you've got to put yourself back together. But it's it's

581
00:35:24,391 --> 00:35:27,391
Speaker 3: a it's a hard yard. And I know that some

582
00:35:27,431 --> 00:35:29,631
Speaker 3: of the old people that have tried to do tourism

583
00:35:30,031 --> 00:35:36,671
Speaker 3: in the past. Some times this country wasn't ready for him.

584
00:35:36,711 --> 00:35:40,431
Speaker 3: And when we came along we started. One of the

585
00:35:40,551 --> 00:35:42,991
Speaker 3: very first things that at a meeting of tourism meeting

586
00:35:43,071 --> 00:35:47,231
Speaker 3: was somebody said, you know, you're lucky to be sitting

587
00:35:47,271 --> 00:35:48,991
Speaker 3: here in this meeting because a couple of years time

588
00:35:49,031 --> 00:35:52,431
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have had an aboriginal sitting here. And I said,

589
00:35:52,471 --> 00:35:55,711
Speaker 3: looked at this person, I sort of smiled, yeah, and

590
00:35:55,751 --> 00:35:57,951
Speaker 3: this is a while ago now when we first started,

591
00:35:57,951 --> 00:36:00,751
Speaker 3: and I looked at this blank and smiled. I said, well,

592
00:36:01,111 --> 00:36:03,311
Speaker 3: watch this space, mate, because we're not going anywhere like

593
00:36:03,351 --> 00:36:06,591
Speaker 3: we have been anywhere, and we're here and this stream

594
00:36:06,551 --> 00:36:08,951
Speaker 3: has always been here, and we'll be back here for

595
00:36:08,991 --> 00:36:12,351
Speaker 3: the next meeting. So what's this space? And I mean

596
00:36:12,351 --> 00:36:15,151
Speaker 3: even people in the early days, nobody would not to

597
00:36:15,151 --> 00:36:18,951
Speaker 3: say that. People need to talk to us, but we

598
00:36:20,231 --> 00:36:22,591
Speaker 3: nobody didn't want to say anything to us or talk

599
00:36:22,631 --> 00:36:25,671
Speaker 3: to us. And then soon as we won our started

600
00:36:25,671 --> 00:36:29,071
Speaker 3: winning the awards, it was like everyone wanted to photo.

601
00:36:28,991 --> 00:36:38,151
Speaker 1: Yes, photos everywhere with your fellows. What friend, what that interesting?

602
00:36:38,351 --> 00:36:40,791
Speaker 3: Yeah? Two dollars seventy five was two hundred and fifty dollars.

603
00:36:42,271 --> 00:36:44,431
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, no, we don't charge anything photos if

604
00:36:44,431 --> 00:36:47,551
Speaker 3: you want to take parto yeah no. Worries always kept

605
00:36:47,591 --> 00:36:48,471
Speaker 3: on my left side.

606
00:36:48,271 --> 00:36:49,631
Speaker 1: You know, the best side.

607
00:36:49,751 --> 00:36:57,071
Speaker 3: Yeah there. But yeah, look, I mean like when I

608
00:36:57,191 --> 00:37:00,151
Speaker 3: follow Recond he said, you know, he said, you got

609
00:37:00,151 --> 00:37:07,831
Speaker 3: a story, you tell it, and that story has been

610
00:37:07,831 --> 00:37:11,391
Speaker 3: told for a millennia and people need to hear it.

611
00:37:12,071 --> 00:37:15,751
Speaker 3: So you've got a story, that's your people story, you

612
00:37:15,791 --> 00:37:18,991
Speaker 3: tell it because the country needs to hear.

613
00:37:18,871 --> 00:37:21,951
Speaker 2: It, and tell it on your terms, in your way.

614
00:37:21,951 --> 00:37:24,311
Speaker 3: Your way, and your language, on your country, and then

615
00:37:25,671 --> 00:37:29,431
Speaker 3: that country will wake up and realize that the people

616
00:37:29,431 --> 00:37:30,031
Speaker 3: are still there.

617
00:37:30,511 --> 00:37:33,271
Speaker 1: I love it. What a beautiful way to wrap up

618
00:37:33,311 --> 00:37:35,351
Speaker 1: our yann even though we could be here all night.

619
00:37:35,991 --> 00:37:40,391
Speaker 1: Don't need to get on a plane. For anybody coming

620
00:37:40,431 --> 00:37:43,951
Speaker 1: over to this beautiful country, please like, call ahead, don't

621
00:37:43,951 --> 00:37:45,911
Speaker 1: come here and try and book on the spot. These

622
00:37:45,951 --> 00:37:47,791
Speaker 1: fellows have won too many awards to be able to

623
00:37:47,831 --> 00:37:51,231
Speaker 1: be available within an hour, so you're going to miss out,

624
00:37:51,551 --> 00:37:53,831
Speaker 1: so make sure that you bring a head, get online,

625
00:37:53,831 --> 00:37:57,511
Speaker 1: do your research, get on Instagram, social media, and follow

626
00:37:57,511 --> 00:38:00,511
Speaker 1: these fellows, which is go culture Tours and everything will

627
00:38:00,591 --> 00:38:04,431
Speaker 1: be in the show notes if I could, yeah wrap up,

628
00:38:04,551 --> 00:38:07,111
Speaker 1: if there's any last words to leave my listeners with,

629
00:38:07,151 --> 00:38:08,031
Speaker 1: what would it be.

630
00:38:09,351 --> 00:38:11,991
Speaker 3: When you come to the West. The West Australian Indigenous

631
00:38:12,031 --> 00:38:15,311
Speaker 3: Tourism Operators Council has a beautiful map of Western Australia

632
00:38:15,951 --> 00:38:18,791
Speaker 3: with all the details of all the Aboriginal tour operators,

633
00:38:18,991 --> 00:38:23,111
Speaker 3: the owners of their own companies and built on country location.

634
00:38:23,471 --> 00:38:26,471
Speaker 3: And we can make that available on your podcast.

635
00:38:26,631 --> 00:38:29,231
Speaker 1: Easy as a resource as a going together.

636
00:38:29,631 --> 00:38:31,871
Speaker 3: That's free talk. That's free to everybody.

637
00:38:32,111 --> 00:38:34,911
Speaker 1: There you go. See I heard it here. I didn't

638
00:38:34,951 --> 00:38:37,711
Speaker 1: even know that was available and I'm in tourism in Queensland,

639
00:38:38,151 --> 00:38:39,231
Speaker 1: so thank you for sharing.

640
00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:40,831
Speaker 2: Chairperson of Talking.

641
00:38:41,111 --> 00:38:43,351
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. So that's where the knowledge is.

642
00:38:43,791 --> 00:38:44,391
Speaker 2: Reach out to.

643
00:38:45,671 --> 00:38:48,671
Speaker 1: Reach out to these fellows and make sure, especially if

644
00:38:48,711 --> 00:38:52,111
Speaker 1: you're a corporate or even any kind of organization and

645
00:38:52,191 --> 00:38:55,351
Speaker 1: you want to immerse your people or even your family.

646
00:38:55,351 --> 00:38:58,991
Speaker 1: If you're coming over here, then these fellows. There's no where.

647
00:38:58,991 --> 00:39:01,431
Speaker 1: There are other people to go to, but we want

648
00:39:01,471 --> 00:39:04,591
Speaker 1: you to come to these fellows here. There's a reason

649
00:39:04,591 --> 00:39:06,711
Speaker 1: why they've won the awards. They're really good at what

650
00:39:06,751 --> 00:39:10,031
Speaker 1: they do and I think we need to support more

651
00:39:10,471 --> 00:39:14,631
Speaker 1: Aboriginal organizations and traditionalon or organizations in their own country

652
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Speaker 1: to be able to succeed and make sure that these

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Speaker 1: tours are available for the next generation. So thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for everything you fellows have been doing and

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Speaker 1: don't give up. Can't wait to see next time with

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Speaker 1: part of it and meet your daughters as well.

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Speaker 3: You girls, so I'd love to meet your family. And

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Speaker 3: like we say, we're family connected now. So good luck

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