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Speaker 1: A fresh way to drive home with Will and woody woods.

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Speaker 2: You are undeniably attracted to women who dominate you.

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Speaker 1: Have we got a whip sound effect or something?

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, not not necessarily physically, although you know

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Speaker 2: we don't have to delve into there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that is the case too.

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Speaker 3: But what what I want to ask you?

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Speaker 1: Because I was talking to a friend about you the

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Speaker 1: other day.

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Speaker 2: Also, you're single, you're dating, You're not that you actually

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Speaker 2: self imposed ban on dating recently. But whenever you do

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Speaker 2: end up liking a woman, I always get the sense

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Speaker 2: that the real clincher is whether or not she whether

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Speaker 2: or not you get the sense that she's going to

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Speaker 2: be able to boss you around and tell you what

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it, Will, Yeah, why, I absolutely love Why?

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Speaker 1: What is it about? What is it about that you're

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Speaker 1: so attracted to?

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Speaker 2: Because you and I haven't had this conversation off air,

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Speaker 2: This is literally the first time we've spoken about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, this could get pretty hectic. Actually, I

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Speaker 4: know this has been a thing for a very long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and I started realizing that it was because.

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Speaker 1: It's existed in past relationships as well.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: It's a common thread which is happening, and on the

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Speaker 2: other side, you'll often meet a really lovely woman who

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Speaker 2: like chicks all the boxes, but she's not mean enough.

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Speaker 3: And I have had that this year.

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Speaker 4: I've had that this year where I have been with

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Speaker 4: some I had a few days with it with incredible

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Speaker 4: women and when they are really really nice to me,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what, well, I sort of do know now,

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Speaker 4: but it was weird to me that I would find

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Speaker 4: it like, oh, it's sort of lost the spark, so

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Speaker 4: to speak. So well, I've been I read a lot

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Speaker 4: of self help books, and that's at as a little

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Speaker 4: cat out of the bag there for everyone. I love them,

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed them. And this came up in one of

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Speaker 4: these self help books that I was reading, and I

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Speaker 4: am of the view now that it is because I

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Speaker 4: have quite low self worth, yes, and low self esteem,

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Speaker 4: and because of that, I am most comfortable when someone

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Speaker 4: is treating me in a way that I.

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Speaker 3: Think I deserve.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, And I'm so interesting and subconsciously I lived

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Speaker 4: my life believing I deserve to be treated like dirt.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And when you treat me like dirt, yeah, I am

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Speaker 4: happy because that's what I think I deserve. So as

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Speaker 4: soon as someone is nice to me, yeah, I get

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Speaker 4: very overwhelmed and well, what are you doing? Don't don't

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Speaker 4: be nice?

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Speaker 1: But you feel uncomfortable when somebody's being cruel to you.

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Speaker 3: And I actually I love it. Yeah, And I find that.

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Speaker 1: Like nourishing for you.

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Speaker 4: Totally nourishing. Wow, it's my absolute comfort zone and very

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Speaker 4: nourishing for me. And then I also because of that,

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Speaker 4: I find that's when I connect with someone really well,

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Speaker 4: I have great chemistry with someone.

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Speaker 1: Because the roles are very easily filled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so you just go straight into the submissive

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Speaker 2: position and then they go straight to the dominant position.

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Speaker 2: And often for these women, I thinking of the types

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Speaker 2: that they are, that's quite a natural spot for them.

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Speaker 2: So it's a natural groove for you both. I would

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Speaker 2: love to give some more people about this, by the way,

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Speaker 4: I sure there are heaps of other men out there

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Speaker 4: that are hopefully. I think it is a pretty common

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Speaker 4: thing for men to enjoy being dominated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, it's not it's not talking.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking physical necessarily.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, just in everyday life. And so do

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Speaker 4: you like being social settings. Do you like being told

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Speaker 4: what to do as a guy? Yeah, And maybe there

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Speaker 4: are women out there who are in that position with

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Speaker 4: their guy where they're like because you know, sometimes I

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Speaker 4: notice that within my relationship, not necessarily to your extremes.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to be tied down, but

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Speaker 4: I will, I will often defer to. And I'm wondering

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Speaker 4: whether this is a masculine trait in general. I feel

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Speaker 4: like when you guys have been in a relationship for

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Speaker 4: a while, they just lose their decision making ability. Women

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Speaker 4: in general often are very very good at making decisions

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Speaker 4: when they have to, and men often when they get

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Speaker 4: into relationship, they just.

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Speaker 2: Stop being independant. So I wonder if that's a part

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Speaker 2: of it as well. We'll talk about it more up next.

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Speaker 2: I think I want to six five is the phone number?

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Speaker 2: Please get involved? And there are other men out there

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Speaker 2: like women telling them what to do. Maybe you're a

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Speaker 2: woman you've experienced this before, or maybe you want to

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Speaker 2: just give as a call and you know, because you

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Speaker 2: want to give a good whipping. Who knows, please join

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Speaker 2: the conversation. Is there's such a thing as being too

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Speaker 2: nice in the dating game?

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Speaker 1: Woods?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm finding out through you right now that you're.

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Speaker 1: Undeniably attracted to two women that will tell you.

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Speaker 4: What to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's not it's

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Speaker 4: not it's not mean people that I'm attracted to. It's

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Speaker 4: just people that like to take on the dominant role

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Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, bark at me a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But do you think that.

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Speaker 2: You could ever be with someone that that's not like that?

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. I don't know if I can

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Speaker 3: see past it.

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Speaker 4: But someone is too nice to me, Yeah, that's when

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Speaker 4: I start feeling like the chemistry's not there or the

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Speaker 4: spark's not there because it's a groove.

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Speaker 1: That you're not used to being in with someone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not comfortable.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, we'll talk to Sarah here on thirty one

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Speaker 1: or six five. Sarah, You've got a.

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Speaker 5: Theory on this, Yes, I do, and I am actually

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Speaker 5: living proof that this is so real. But like, my

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Speaker 5: boyfriend is only up my ass s excuse my language

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Speaker 5: if I am mean to him, unavailable, and sometimes like

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Speaker 5: I actually cause problems on purpose just to get his attention.

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Speaker 2: So so so you're saying he loves it, so much.

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Speaker 2: He loves you being mean to him so much that

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Speaker 5: He actually told me to treat him like. He actually

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Speaker 5: tells me it turns him on. When I get attention

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Speaker 5: from other guys, or when I'm not nice dream or

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Speaker 5: when I missed like four or five of his calls.

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Speaker 5: He actually loves it. Yeah, a point of it. I'm like,

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Speaker 5: you guys are stick in the head.

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Speaker 2: We are, we are. We won't pain us all with

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Speaker 2: that brush. Can you associate with that?

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Speaker 4: Have you?

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Speaker 2: Have you been with someone before and like actually been

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Thats not not not not Oh no, it's a fine

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Speaker 4: line between like it's literally been mean or just it's

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Speaker 3: It's almost like unintentionally mean. Is that hard to understand?

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Speaker 1: Not really it is. It's not hard to understand. I

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Speaker 2: But that gets your going. Yeah, if they're mean to

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Speaker 2: you're dismissive of you. You're saying that you almost like

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Speaker 2: the challenge of like getting back in the good books

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Speaker 2: sort of thing, or do you just like the do

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Speaker 2: you like getting whipped? Mate?

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Speaker 4: I mean, and it doesn't necessarily translate to the physical stuff.

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Speaker 3: Why don't remember under Melissa? Melissa, what are your thoughts

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Speaker 6: I'm in the exact same position, but I'm a woman

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Speaker 6: being insecure and I always went for men that were really,

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Speaker 6: really controlling.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, didn't chair put me down?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Actually when i've I'm with my partner for two years now. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and he's absolutely loving.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is great, This is great.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about this because so you've

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Speaker 2: stepped out of that phase. Witness. I want to talk

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Speaker 2: I want to try and talk to Woody about as well.

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Speaker 2: Was it scary adjusting though? Was there a period where

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Speaker 2: you were like, oh god, I don't feel comfortable not

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Speaker 2: being told what to do and how did you get

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Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, No, it was crazy. I was constantly saying

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Speaker 6: what frustrates you about me? Or what don't you like

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Speaker 6: about me? Or doesn't that piss you off? Or you know,

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Speaker 6: It's like I was trying to gain something mean coming

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Speaker 6: sort of jeopardizing the relationship.

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Speaker 2: That is amazingly stuff. Thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting stuff. But she got through it. She got

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Speaker 6: We got it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's like anything where you're trying out

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Speaker 2: a new personality, trade or something like that.

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Speaker 1: It's always a little bit scary. But I was interested

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Speaker 1: in this view because I'm just.

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Speaker 2: I just want you to be able to look outside

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Speaker 2: of you know, but that are telling you what to do.

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Speaker 4: But when you've losed that spark in a relationship, like

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Speaker 4: you've got to end things right then and there.

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Speaker 1: You might be able to find the spark somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we've got Andy here now and another bloke here. Andy.

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Speaker 3: Are you like me?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not quite like you, but I think I've

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Speaker 4: got a solution for you. So your thing is you

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Speaker 4: like spending time with girls that don't treat you very nicely?

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Speaker 6: Do you want to spend some time with my missus

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Speaker 6: for me?

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Speaker 1: See what you're hearing.

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