1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day's Stolen Prata, Sunni's Tammy, 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Hembro's Confusing Relationship Timeline, Sophie Keasha and the Secondhand Engagement Ring, 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: and all the Revelations from nineteen eighty nine Taylor's version. 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Sophie Torbert, and I have a burning question when is 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: too early to put up. 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: Your Christmas tree? 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: Because all over Instagram I'm seeing influencers and everyday people. 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: I think it's because Halloween is officially over, so people 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: seem to have the green light now to start putting 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: up the Christmas decorations. I think it's too early. And 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: I am someone who loves Christmas, but in Adelaide we 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: usually wait for the Christmas Pageant and that is this weekend. 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: But still I think it doesn't seem Christmas y yet. 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: I love the people that are putting up their Christmas 17 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: tree now, though, because I think you almost need a 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: bit of time to feel like you're. 19 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: Getting into the Christmas spirit. 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: And when I start seeing Christmas content online, it makes. 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: Me feel so Christmas y. 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: I loved seeing Courtney Mangnan putting up her tree this 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: year because I think this is a third tree I've 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: seen her put out for the past three years, and 25 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, it's starting. It's a sign, and you're right, 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: Christmas is a mindset, so it might not feel Christmas 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: y now. 28 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: But you've got to make it Christmas. 29 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: See you really upset because I would be putting up 30 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: my tree in the next few days, but I've got 31 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: to wait until I move into my house. We were 32 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: joking that maybe I'd just put it up and we'd 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: carry it in the delivery truck fully decorated, but. 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: That might be a bit ridiculous. 35 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: I would advise against that because we did that one year, 36 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: I think like five years ago when all of us 37 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: moved and it was hell. All of the ballbles were 38 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: falling off in the delivery truck. We're going to start 39 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: a thread in our Facebook group so people can start 40 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 1: sharing their Christmas trees and get into the festive spirit. 41 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: This thread went off last year. 42 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: It was so exciting to see the different themes that 43 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: people had picked. I think you can tell a lot 44 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: about someone by the theme of their Christmas tree. Amy, 45 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: I'm also tasking you on creating a video about what 46 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: your Christmas tree says about you, because you were so 47 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: great at picking what people's frank green drink bottles. 48 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: That's a good one. 49 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: I just want my Sunny's back. 50 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: The hunt is on for Sarah's days stolen sunglasses. The 51 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: fitness influencer was posing with a fan at the post 52 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: office when a thief took them from right under her nose. 53 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: So these weren't your run of the mill survey station sonnies. 54 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: No, they weren't. 55 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: They were six hundred and fifty dollars prior a sunglasses, 56 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: and they're the most expensive pair that Sarah says she owns. 57 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: She was quick to point out, though, that she has 58 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: a range of sunglasses with the cheapest starting at fifteen dollars, 59 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: all the way up to these ones. Now, these had 60 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: the ones she was spoking a couple of years ago, 61 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: her own line, and Sunny's. 62 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: The cheaper one. 63 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: They went fifteen dollars. They definitely weren't fifteen bucks. But 64 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: I feel like she had to preface that she has 65 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: cheaper pairs due to this range of sunglasses that she 66 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: brought up with White Fox Boutique a couple of years 67 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: ago to be one of the people. Yeah, so, how 68 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: did someone manage to steal the sunglasses from her at 69 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: the post Yeah? Well, Sarah had popped into the post 70 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: office to send off her little sister Taralia's Christmas present 71 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: to London, and she sort of wanted props over the 72 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: fact that she got it in so early. Anyway, she 73 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: said that she was struggling a bit as she walked 74 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: in because she had her toddler, Malachai, on her hip 75 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: and she was also holding the large present in her 76 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: other arm, so she was already quite flustered. And when 77 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: she walked in, she was wearing her prior to sunglasses 78 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: and proceeded to put them on her head as she 79 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: entered the store. Now, while she was filling out the 80 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: postal slip at one of those little booths, she put 81 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: her sunglasses down alongside her handbag and her mobile phone. Now, 82 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: at this stage, a follower recognized her and came up 83 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: for a photo. And while she was having a photo 84 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: taken with this fan, her son Malachi was roaming the aisle, 85 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: so Sarah had to chase after him and left all 86 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: of her stuff at the booth. And when she came back, 87 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: the sunglasses were gone, so she went up to the 88 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: front desk and asked if anyone had seen them, and 89 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: even asked the customers in the store if they'd them 90 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: as well, and everyone was like, nah, nap, I haven't 91 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: seen anything. That would be the worst feeling, because I 92 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: did this with my computer the other day. I'm like, 93 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's been stolen from my car. 94 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: Where is it? 95 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: I definitely had it and it ended up that I'd 96 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: left it at Amy's house. So you'd probably have that 97 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: moment where you're like, did I even have my sonnies 98 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: with me? You're accusing everyone anything? God, did I even 99 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: walk in with them? I feel like a terrible person. 100 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: But this story just sounds so funny to me because 101 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: it just seems like such first world problems for an 102 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: influence of por to Sunny's a binge. I would definitely 103 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: be pissed off if someone stole my sun glass. 104 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but her reaction has been. 105 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: A little bit cringe on social media. Yeah, Well, she 106 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: has preface that she thinks it is first world problems 107 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: and she understands that there's a lot going on. I 108 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: think that she probably feels quite violated that someone stole 109 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: them right when. 110 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: She was there. 111 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: And this has created great content though for her channel, 112 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: because it's the most exciting thing that's happened to her 113 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: in a while. Yeah, and I think that she knows 114 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: it and that people are invested in the story, and 115 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: that's why she's putting out so much content about it, 116 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: because the next day, when new details emerge, she posted 117 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: an update on her story as well as a five 118 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: minute TikTok story time and that now has two hundred 119 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: and seventy four thousand views, And she put these huge 120 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: words across it, which said police report in bold letters. 121 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: So she clearly knows that people are going to be interested. 122 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: And the way that she presented these updates was very theatrical. 123 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: In parts, it. 124 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: Seemed like she was half joking, but then in other 125 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: parts you could tell just how pissed off she was. 126 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: That really came across she is furious over this, and 127 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: it kind of reminded me of what she used to 128 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: be back in the day when she wasn't really wealthy, 129 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: Because yes, she does have a lot of money now, 130 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: but if you've grown up with not a lot and 131 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: you're a bit of a budgeter and bit of a 132 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: Penny Pincher, I can see why this. 133 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: Would piss you off. 134 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: Well, she did use the update on Instagram to threaten 135 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 1: the suspective thief, so she revealed that the post office 136 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: had trawled through CCTV and they had vision catching the 137 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: thief in the act. 138 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: That's what she said to the lady who stole my 139 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: prit of sunglasses, which has been captured on security footage. 140 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: When you stole my glasses, I was in the post office, 141 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 4: you knew they were mine. I asked everybody in the 142 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: post office has. 143 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: Anyone seen my sunglasses? And you responded with no, even 144 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: though you just slid them in your bag. It's on 145 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: security footage if that is you. I simply just want 146 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: them back. You have forty eight hours to return them. 147 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: That is more than enough time. 148 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 4: You can return them to Cronulla Post Office, Cronella Health, 149 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: Fred Store, Nourish, Blackwood Pantry, Cronella Ham Cronala. All of 150 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 4: these places are my friends. They all have my number. 151 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 4: They can all get in contact with me. Um where 152 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: else police station, they have my contact details. Now after 153 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 4: the report, just drop them back book, no questions asked. 154 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 4: I just want my Sonnies back. 155 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: I find it so interesting that in her clap back 156 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: to this woman, she has listed all of the places 157 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: that she frequents. Doesn't that make her more of a 158 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: target for theft or even you know, she's outlining the 159 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: places that she hangs out with her kids. It just 160 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: seems to bit Dangerous's pretty obvious if you look at 161 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: her vlogs, like everyone knows she's from Crinulla, you can 162 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: sort of yeah, she's eventuallying a blueprint out of where 163 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: she goes. She also mentioned that the people that own 164 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: those stores are or her friends. If I've stolen someone's 165 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: sunglasses and the person seemed quite pissed off about it, 166 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be going in and being like, here you go. 167 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: Plot twist. It was the fan that she had a 168 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: photo with the She actually did say that one of 169 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: the videos that she had questioned if the fan was 170 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: some sort of decoy. Can you imagine how awkward that 171 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: would be if you just genuinely approach someone for a 172 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: photo and then this turn of events had happened. Sorry, 173 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: there's only a six hundred dollars pair of sunglasses. Like 174 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: she's acting like she's had diamonds. Rob, I don't think 175 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: it's the sunglasses itself. I think it's the fact that 176 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: she feels violated, and I do feel sorry for her 177 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: because she was in. 178 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: A vulnerable state. 179 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: She's literally having a photo with a fan, She's got 180 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: a toddler who's running all over the store, She's trying 181 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: to get her jobs done. I'm not saying I don't 182 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: feel bad to her. I definitely don't think it's fair 183 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: that someone stolen her sunglasses, but it seems a little 184 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: bit over the top to suggest that there is this 185 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: whole decoy and this strategy behind no pinching someone's glass. 186 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: This person who took them, they might not even realize 187 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: that she has this huge they're like, fuck. Imagine like 188 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: just stumbling across that TikTok, but oh my god, I've 189 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: messed with the wrong person. She was questioning whether the 190 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: person did follow her channel and if they're watching this, like, 191 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: I just found that funny. It was quite interesting to 192 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: see that the post office did go above and beyond 193 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: for Sarah. So the young post office worker. She contacted 194 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: Sarah on Facebook and gave her a big rundown of 195 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: what had transpired, and Sarah she did yeah, And Sarah 196 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: did ask the post office worker if she could get 197 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: a screenshot of the woman's face who stole the glasses, 198 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: because she wanted to try and solve the crime herself, 199 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: so she's. 200 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: More like name and chat. 201 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, she wanted to upload it to her socials and 202 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: ask if anyone knew the woman. However, the post office 203 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: said that they're not allowed to do it and the 204 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: police would be collecting the vision, and they also urged 205 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: her to make an official police report. I am shocked 206 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: the effort the police and the post officer put into 207 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: this because I feel like if it was just a 208 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: normal person that didn't have a following, no fox would 209 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: be given. Yeah. Well, it was very theatrical again because 210 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: she uploaded an Instagram story outside the police station and 211 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,359 Speaker 1: wrote it's happening, And this caused a lot of confusion 212 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: for followers who weren't across the whole stolen sunglasses thing. 213 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: And she did say that when she went into the 214 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: police station she felt a bit embarrassed and she knew 215 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: that the sunglasses being stolen were first world problems, but 216 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: apparently the police officer reassured her that it wasn't dumb 217 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: and they would do their best to look into it. 218 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: I have been to the police before about my wallet 219 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: being stolen from a car. However, obviously nothing was really done. 220 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: You know, they apparently followed up a few of the 221 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: service stations that the robbers used my card at. But 222 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: in saying that, what's different in this case is the 223 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: fact that they actually have CCTV of the person committing 224 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: the crime, so it makes it more tangible. I just 225 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: want to know what's going to happen next. This is 226 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: the twist and turns of a TV crime drama. Yeah. Well, 227 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: some of her followers said, Oh, Sarah, you'll have to 228 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: keep an eye out for the glasses in your area 229 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: and see if you can spot anyone wearing them. And 230 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: I think this is where some people got their noses 231 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: out of joint because Sarah said, it's quite a popular 232 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: sunglass design and a lot of people in their area 233 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: have them, you know, sort of indicating that it's an 234 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: affluent area. Well, she has said that before, she said, 235 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: because she's got a land Rover, and she's like everyone 236 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: has a land Rover where I'm from. It it's like, 237 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: hang on, but this is not realistic to what's actually 238 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: going on in Australia at the moment. Like this has 239 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: really rubbed people up the wrong way due to the 240 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: cost of living crisis as well. And it's kind of 241 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: like crime a river. A rich influencer has had her 242 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: sunglasses stolen. How would you guys feel though, if she 243 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: had received that image from Australia Post and plastered all 244 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: around her socials. Do you think that would have been 245 00:10:59,559 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: going too far? 246 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: No, I actually don't. 247 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: I am more on Sarah's side in this incident because 248 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: I get it that, you know, it's first world problems. 249 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: But at the same time, if I had a design 250 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: a pair of sunglasses stolen that I'd worked hard to 251 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: purchase and some absolute scum bags stole them whilst I 252 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: was running after my child in a post office, I 253 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: would be out for vengeance. And I want to post 254 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: their photo everywhere, because if you're willing to steal from 255 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: someone in broad daylight, then you should expect to have 256 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: your photo plasted everywhere. But on the flip side, the 257 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: person who stole the sunglasses might really be struggling. It's 258 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: a bit of a low act to just pinch them, 259 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: but maybe they truly needed the money. I mean, we're 260 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: going through a cost of living crisis. Yeah, we can't 261 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: expect everyone to just be stealing because we're going through 262 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: a hard time. But we don't know the circumstances and 263 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: the fact that Sarah is so jumping on this and 264 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: trying to shame this person. What if it turned out 265 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: to be a single mother that can't feed her children, 266 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: there's going to sell these on Facebook marketplaces. I still 267 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: don't think it's right. I still don't think that we 268 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: should be. I mean, Sarah a victim in this story. 269 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: She's had her possession be stolen in broad daylight in 270 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: front of her quite an affluent area. No one's actually 271 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: discussing whether it's right or wrong to steal. We're discussing 272 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: if we think Sarah's reaction to the crime actually fits 273 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: the crime. Look, I think it was quite fitting because 274 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: she was in a vulnerable state. 275 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: She feels violated. 276 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: It's something a possession of hers that she's clearly worked 277 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: hard for. 278 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: I don't think we should be on the side of 279 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: the post it's on the thief side. 280 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: But we're saying, for example, she did name and shame 281 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: over those Moroccan rugs, and remember how awful that was 282 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: for the person involved, and it turned out she'd got 283 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: it wrong. Imagine if this person like they're pretty desperate 284 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: to be stealing sunnies, this could push someone. 285 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: Over the edge. 286 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think like it's not really proportionate to 287 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: the item that was. 288 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: Couldn't she not have dealt with this private? 289 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: At the local shopping center that I go to, they 290 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: have printed off photos of people who have stolen from 291 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: their store, and I don't see what the difference. But 292 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: she's got millions of followers, and the huge stop is 293 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: when they put up video of people anyway, So I 294 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: don't have an issue with it. I personally don't have 295 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: an issue with it. 296 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: Thanks for getting a tatoo? Do you want to tell 297 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: everyone what you get it? 298 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: Everyone is talking about Tammy Hembro and Matt Zukowski's relationship. 299 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: They went Instagram official around two weeks ago, and Tammy 300 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: has just confirmed that she did get Matt's name tattooed 301 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: on her at the White Fox Boutique event. Yeah, there 302 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: was a bit of contention as to which Matt she 303 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: did have tattooed on her, and we've just discovered now 304 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: through m Davies' blog at the White Fox Boutique event 305 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: the Tammy actually got it done at the birthday bash 306 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: because we were talking about how there was a pre 307 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: event where all of the influencers went out and picked 308 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: their clothes and there was a little pop up tattoo 309 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: caut there and that's where she got it done. And 310 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: in the video she's saying, Oh, I'm a bit crazy 311 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: for doing it. 312 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: Let's throw it to exactly what she said, I'm getting 313 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 2: my boyfriend's name because I'm actually. 314 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: I know this pop up tattoo parlor seems to be 315 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: creating a lot of buzz for White Fox because last event, 316 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester actually got the White Fox brand tattooed on her, 317 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: and now Tammy is causing chaos by getting Matt's name 318 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: on her. Plot twist, they are not actually real tattoos publicity. 319 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: How would you feel if you'd been dating someone for 320 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: two weeks and they got your name tattooed. Well, they've 321 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: clearly been dating for longer than two weeks. They've been 322 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: official for two weeks. But it does seem pretty free. 323 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: But m Davey says to her in the clip, Oh, 324 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: after two weeks, you've got your boyfriend's name on you, 325 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: so it's confirmed. It'd probably be two weeks of being official. 326 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: I probably would be a bit put off if after 327 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: two weeks a guy got my name tattooed, but it 328 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: would depend how many tattoos they had. 329 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 2: They're freaked out. 330 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: I'd be thinking, Wow, is this relationship moving a bit quickly? 331 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: Of things getting a bit too serious all at once? Yeah, 332 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: it's a bit like love bombing, isn't it. Well. On 333 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: the latest series of Love Island Australia, there is a 334 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: contestant that has not one, but three of her ex 335 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: partner's initials tattooed on her. To make things worse, she 336 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: actually did one of the tattoos herself, so she says 337 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: she used a needle and a permanent texter and I 338 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck. The guy that she's coupled 339 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: up with is like, this is a big radar flag. 340 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: It appears that things are moving pretty quickly because it 341 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: looks like Matt has now met Tammy's kids. So on Sunday, 342 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: Tammy shared an Instagram story of her and Matt dancing 343 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: romantically next to a pool at her home on the 344 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: Gold Coast, and in the video you can see Tammy's 345 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: eight year old son Wolf in the background. Well dancing 346 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: seems to be very on theme for the couple at 347 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: the moment, because Tammy also shared a video of her 348 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: and Matt doing a parody of the Posh and Becks 349 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: dance scene from the doco that's just gone absolutely viral. 350 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: I really shared this on our Instagram story and I 351 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: got one of two responses because I wrote love this, 352 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: and people are like, are you taking the piss? 353 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: I hate this? 354 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: And then other people are like, oh my god, they're 355 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: so cute. I'm just loving it because I think that 356 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: we have had a couple of months, maybe six months, 357 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: where a lot of influencers really aren't sharing much about 358 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: their personal lives, and while this seems like perhaps a 359 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: shit storm that's going to explode, I am here for 360 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: the ride, I'm here for the tattoos, I'm here for 361 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: the funny dancing parody videos. And I just put it together. 362 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: They look cute together. 363 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the video has attracted over two point five 364 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: million views, and as you can imagine, just like we 365 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: experienced on our Instagram page, the commentary has been mixed. 366 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: So while a lot of people are happy for Tammy, 367 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: there was a lot of mum shaming and also slut 368 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: shaming going on. So the comments included people saying they 369 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: couldn't keep up with all the men, that Tammy just 370 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: had kids with anyone, How confusing it must be for 371 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: Tammy's kids and how does she move on so fast? 372 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: I did see a couple of people writing where's Posey's dad? 373 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: And whilst I think that that is quite slut shamy 374 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: if you haven't checked in, if you're not someone who's 375 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: invested in her life, I can see how it would 376 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: be a little bit confused, but it's just so sexist. 377 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: Don't see people writing it on Reese Hawkins or Matt 378 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: Paul well in Tiktoks. Yeah, Matt Paul did move on 379 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: way faster than Tammy Hambro and people didn't seem to 380 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: have a problem with that. And Reese Hawkins literally has 381 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: the same situation as Tammy. He got two kids with 382 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: Tammy and a kid with. 383 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: London, So why are people having more of a go 384 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: at him. 385 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I know some people have been calling him 386 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: a deadbeat dad, but that's because he's been in a 387 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: different country to his kids. Doesn't seem to be back 388 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: in their life more recently, though, because he did attend 389 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: Wolf's birthday party a couple of months Ago and Tammy 390 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: and he seemed to be on good term. So hopefully 391 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: this new relationship doesn't impact things. Can I point out, Sophie, 392 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: it's wolf. It annoys a lot of people when you 393 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: say it, and annoying me. But anyway, I was gonna 394 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: say that I noticed Tammy was clapping back at a 395 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: few of the comments because someone who said, oh who 396 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: is this and she goes, well, third times a charm. Yeah. Well, 397 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: she did tackle it head on, so she said that 398 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: she doesn't normally respond to negative comments, but she was 399 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: feeling spicy and she thought it would be fun. So 400 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: she did come across as a little bit defensive, which 401 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: I can totally understand, but some of her comebacks were 402 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: absolutely brilliant in terms of the most interesting things. 403 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: That she said. 404 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: She did say that she was the one that ended 405 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: her relationships, which I thought, well, is this new information 406 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: because that's both relationships Matt Paul. Yeah, so she essentially 407 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: confirmed that she was the one that broke up with 408 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: both Reese and Matt. It was also funny because she 409 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: reiterated that she'd only been with three men and said 410 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: people who couldn't keep up with the three of them 411 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: needed help with their memories. This is what love does, though, 412 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean Tammy's saying that she doesn't usually clap back, 413 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: but now she's on the defensive getting interesting on her channel. Well, 414 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: she even said that she never planned on sharing this 415 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: relationship online, but because she's so happy, she couldn't help 416 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: herself and she wants to shout it from the rooftops. Also, 417 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: they were exposed from you know, general member of the 418 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: public taking a photo of them, so that must have 419 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: really accelerated their relationship because it would have been hard 420 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: to hide it. Yeah. Well, the other thing she said 421 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: that caught my attention was that she shut down that 422 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: she had moved on too quickly. So she said she 423 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: didn't consider a year and a half to two years 424 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: as too fast, and she did regiterate that she wasn't 425 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: short on the exact timing. This piqued my interest, so 426 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: I did a bit of research. So Tammy and Matt 427 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: Paul actually got engaged in November twenty twenty one, so 428 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: that's nearly exactly two years ago, and Tammy gave birth 429 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: to her and Matt's daughter, Posey in June twenty twenty two, 430 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: so that's around sixteen to seventeen months ago. So, while 431 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: it is unclear when they actually broke up, Matt was 432 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: in the birth flog and also in the birth post 433 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: that she shared when she announced the news, so that 434 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: sixteen months ago. Yeah, so that's about a year after though. 435 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 2: Perfect. 436 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I know, but a lot of people thought 437 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: they were together then, so I can see why there's 438 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: some confusion and why people think they have moved on 439 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: quickly because no one knows the exact timeline of when 440 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: they broke up. Do you think, though, that she should 441 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: be on there responding to troll comments or just leave it? 442 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: I actually really like. 443 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: That, Tammy responded. Firstly, it's making things more interesting. As 444 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: you said, Sophie, I feel like a lot of influencers 445 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: have just shut up recently because they're scared of creating drama. 446 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: I actually saw Martha Calla Fetita say that she hasn't 447 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: posted organically on her story for ages because she's scared 448 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: that she's going to say something that upsets people. 449 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: She did then go. 450 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: On to share Mary doing a wanker sign and she 451 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: was taking photos of her food, and she's like, Mum, 452 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: you've already offended everyone. But I think it's great because 453 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: we get little tidbits that we wouldn't normally get. This 454 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: is why we follow influencers because we feel like they're 455 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: our friends, the girl a boy next door, and we 456 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: want to know what's going on in their relationships. So 457 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: I personally love when people clap back, and I don't 458 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: think I mean when they do it in a respectful way. 459 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: I mean, look at Sky Wheatley. 460 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: She constantly claps back at people and creates drama, and 461 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: that's what. 462 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: Keeps her relevant. It's entertaining. 463 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, people are going to die off, aren't they. A 464 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: lot of these influencers who are too scared. I mean, 465 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned Martha because I haven't heard or 466 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: seen anything about her for what feels like a year, 467 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: and it seems like since she had her baby, we 468 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: haven't really heard that. But that's more difficult for young mums. 469 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: But because a lot of moms get so heavily criticized 470 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: when they have a newborn and literally everything that they 471 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: share is wrong, so I can understand why she'd want 472 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: to take a step back. Well, Tammy's got a relatively 473 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: young child as well, and it seems to be her 474 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: children keep getting dragged into this. 475 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: I do think it's. 476 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: Only human nature to want to respond to these comments 477 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: because she does get a lot of negative commentary on 478 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: her social media, so I think it's just reached a 479 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: point where she's like, fuck off. Everyone can't get. 480 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: Enough of Outspoken. 481 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: If you're left wanting more each week, then it might 482 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: be time to subscribe to Outspoken Plus. 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For those who have already subscribed 492 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: to Outspoken Plus, we want to say a big thank you. 493 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: It means a well to us that you're supporting our content, 494 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: and it really does help us to be able to 495 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: invest more time in creating more content. 496 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 2: So thank you. 497 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: I don't care enough about you to be hiding things 498 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 3: from you or I'm going to get caught out. 499 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: I'm simply just keeping some things private. If anyone is 500 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: in the market for a secondhand engagement ring, then you 501 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: need to hit Sophie kesher up. The pajama mogul is 502 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: selling the engagement ring she gave to her now ex fiance, 503 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: Maddie Garrick. She announced his news on her Instagram story 504 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: and told genuinely interested people to email her manager. This 505 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: story probably sounds familiar to you because Sophie actually advertised 506 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: the same engagement ring back in January, so at the time, 507 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: it was pretty clear that this breakup was very raw 508 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: for Sophie because she said that she needed to get 509 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: rid of the ring because it hurt her heart. Apparently, though, 510 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: her mum was trying to convince her to keep the 511 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: ring because she's like, will you work so hard for it, 512 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: maybe you can give it to your daughter. 513 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. 514 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: As soon as you try and resell an engagement ring, 515 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: it loses all of its value. I just don't know 516 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: why she'd do this so publicly. Why don't you go 517 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: to a jeweler and try and sell it back to them, 518 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: or try and get something else made from it. It's 519 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: really difficult to also try and sell something on social 520 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: media when you don't put up a price unless there's 521 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: a super fan that's like, I really want that ring. 522 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: Well, the ring is. 523 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: Really personal as well, because it's got three diamonds and 524 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: Sophie had it designed that way to represent her and 525 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: her two children. It's pretty sad because it's quite clear 526 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: how much this ring actually meant to Sophie, and she 527 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: said that she felt so sad that it was clear 528 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: that Maddie didn't see any worth or meaning in the ring, 529 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: considering she broke up with her within six months of 530 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: the proposal. Well back when they did get engaged, Sophie 531 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: shared a post thanking the jeweler, which is Unique Diamonds Australia, 532 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: for creating the ring, and this led people to wonder 533 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: if the ring was gifted. Yeah. I wonder if that 534 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: changes anything in terms of when you try and resell 535 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: a ring, like. 536 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 2: Is it morally okay? 537 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: I reckon for tax purposes, it might change things because 538 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: if that's a gifted item, then you have to declare 539 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: that on your tax. 540 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 2: See. 541 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: I think that maybe the jeweler gave her a bit 542 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: of a discount but the fact that Sophie's mum said, well, 543 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: why don't you keep it because you've worked really hard 544 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: for it. And Sophie also mentioned in the recent advertisement 545 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: that the ring was exy, but she is selling it 546 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: heavily discounted and for half the price. Well, she did 547 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: mention that she's selling it in time for the festive season, 548 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: and I think that's because a lot of people pop 549 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: the question over Christmas time. I have spoken to a 550 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: few jewelers about my wedding band, and they're all saying, 551 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: you've got to get it in quickly, all your designs quickly, 552 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: because it gets so busy over Christmas. So I think 553 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: if you're thinking of proposing over Christmas, you should have 554 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: bought the ring a couple. 555 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 2: Of months ago. 556 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: Well, this might be good for someone that's panic buying. 557 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: Can you imagine getting it though, Like, imagine seeing this 558 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: advertised online for half the price and you know the backstory. 559 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: Your partner's like. 560 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, this ring signifies me and our dog our 561 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want a secondhand engagement ring. I 562 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: think it's already got a bit of a backstory. I mean, 563 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: it's slightly different. If you're getting your partner's grandmother's ring, 564 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: and it's had a successful marriage behind it. I mean, 565 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: still I wouldn't want it. 566 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: Is there a bit of bad karma on this ring 567 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: because there's been a break up? 568 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: Well, Sophie said that she wanted to get rid of 569 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: it because it's got bad juju? So like, really, it's 570 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: not advertising ju juju. 571 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: I never heard real bad juju. 572 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like bad vibes about the bad luck. 573 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: I mean, that's not really selling it isn't. 574 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: No, she hasn't mentioned the bad juju in the most recent. 575 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 4: Harry swift really just drapt the most iconic harrysales distract 576 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: ten years later and I'm freaking out. 577 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: It's been a week since nineteen eighty nine Taylor's version 578 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: came out, and I feel like we're ready to talk 579 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: about it. 580 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: I wanted the new Vault songs to sink in. 581 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to love them, and I am absolutely obsessed 582 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: with Is it over now? I know? 583 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 2: So for you came in, you have made a big call. 584 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: You said it's your favorite song. 585 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: Ever. 586 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: It has been stuck in my head consistently, and I 587 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: think that that is a sign of a great song. 588 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: I just wish it came out in twenty fourteen because 589 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: that was my era of my breakup song. So I 590 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: got broken up with in twenty fourteen and that's when 591 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine came out. So all of those songs 592 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: are really nostalgic to me, and I felt like I 593 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: needed that one to get. 594 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 2: Through the breakup. 595 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: It is interesting because Taylor Swift was pretty nice to 596 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 1: Harry Starle in nineteen eighty nine the first edition that 597 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: came out, and a lot of people were speculating, are 598 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: we going to see a collaboration with Harry on this album? 599 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 2: Well that was a big fat no. 600 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: What we got was so much better because we actually 601 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: got an insight into what went on during their breakup. 602 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: Everyone is ninety nine percent sure that this song Isn't 603 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: Over Now is about Harry Styles, and there was confirmation 604 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: within this verse. So it says, when you lost control 605 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: red blood, white, snow blue dress on a boat, your 606 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: new girl is my clone now. The first part is 607 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: in reference to the snowmobile accident that Taylor wrote about 608 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: and Out of the Woods, so that was when Harry 609 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: and Taylor were on. 610 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: A ski trip. 611 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: Out of the Woods is also one of my favorite songs. 612 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: And that is because my ex boyfriend who broke up 613 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: with me that year, he also had an accident, but 614 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: when we were away in Thailand, so he had to 615 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: get all of these stitches. So that song out of 616 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: the Woods, it's like twenty stitch, Yeah, twenty stitches in 617 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: a hospital room. 618 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: That reminds me. So maybe Taylor Swift to night. 619 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: I live in these parallel fucking except it's Harry Styles, 620 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: not my experts, and sat see Timany's similarities between your 621 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: ex and Harry Styles. Isn't it the worst thing though? 622 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: Because I know you love that song out of the Woods, 623 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: and you know when you listen it together and you 624 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: kind of cringe some of the lyrics because you realize 625 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: why someone really resonates it. Back to this other song, 626 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: Back to Taylor swith yeah, back to is it over now? 627 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: The second part of that verse is in reference to 628 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: Taylor being spotted alone on a boat during her trip 629 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: with Harry Styles to the Virgin Islands. She of course, 630 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: in that photo was wearing a blue dress, and they 631 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: did break up after this trip, so Harry basically abandoned 632 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: Taylor and she was spotted by paparazzi sitting on this 633 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: boat all alone. She looks so sad in the photo. 634 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: It's a pretty iconic photo. Now, the last bit of 635 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: that verse reference is that Harry started dating a clone 636 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: of Taylor. Now. I always thought that he cheated on 637 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: Taylor with Kendall Jenner, but it was actually Kimberly Stewart, 638 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: which I found very odd. I also love that Taylor 639 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: went as far as calling him a lying trader and 640 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: said that he found love in every model's bed for 641 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: something greater. Those are epic lines, and it's so funny 642 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: because TikTok and jen Zed as a millennials were so 643 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: conflicted because we love Harry and we love Taylor. And 644 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: I saw a few tiktoks where they're like, I'm sorry, Harry, 645 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: I've got to put my love for you on hold 646 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: for a second whilst I belt. 647 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: Out this song. 648 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: I saw some people like turning their posters of Harry 649 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: around while they were listening to nineteen eighty nine. Didn't 650 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: he lose one hundred thousand followers in one day due 651 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: to this song dropping? 652 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 2: Oh wow? 653 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Well, I do feel a little bit bad for Harry 654 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: in a sense because he was only eighteen when they 655 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: started going out. 656 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: Oh they looked like babies. 657 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much vision that's popping up 658 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: of when they dated. 659 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 2: They look so incredibly young. 660 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: Have you seen the video of them at the zoo 661 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: with a little kid? And Taylor is just she looks 662 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: transfixed by Harry. 663 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: Well, wouldn't you be? 664 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: I really related to the lyric when she spoke about 665 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: how she the more she gave him, the less he 666 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: wanted of her, Like that just captured a feeling of 667 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: those shitty relatesationship so well. It just still blows my 668 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: mind that someone would treat Taylor Swift so badly, because 669 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: even in my mind, I just have her up so 670 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: high and I just think, why would you want to 671 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: date some model? Inside of Taylor Swift? I think she's 672 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: a bit perplexed as to that as well. Well yeah, well, 673 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: what did you guys think about slut? Because everyone was 674 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: expecting a very punk pop style for this song when 675 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: the name was released, because it had an exclamation mark 676 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: at the end. It seemed like she really wanted to 677 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: make a statement with it. However, it was quite surprising. Yeah, 678 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: it's quite whimsical. I wasn't expecting it to be a 679 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: sort of tender love story sort of vibe. Yeah. I 680 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: think people were expecting it to be a real statement, 681 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: because in the last couple of years, Taylor has spoken 682 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: about experiencing slut shaming in her career, particularly around the 683 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: time that she recorded nineteen eighty nine the first time. 684 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: It would have been interesting to see the reaction though, 685 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: if she did bring it out originally with her album, 686 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: because I feel like it might have been a bit 687 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: more shocking. I think it would have been quite different 688 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: because it's only recently that the word slut has kind 689 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: of been empowered and people are using it in more 690 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: of a positive light and they know more about the 691 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: impact of slutshading. I did find the prologue from the 692 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: physical copy of nineteen eighty nine really interesting, So, Taylor wrote, 693 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: it became clear to me that for me, there was 694 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: no such thing as casual dating or even having a 695 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: male friend who you platonically hang out with. If I 696 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: was seen with him, it was assumed I was sleeping 697 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: with him, and so I swore off hanging out with guys, dating, flirting, 698 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: or anything that could be weaponized against me by a 699 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: culture that claimed to believe in liberating women but consistently 700 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: treated me with the harsh moral codes of the Victorian era. 701 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: Being a consummate optimist, I assumed I could fix this 702 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: if I simply changed my behavior. So I swore off 703 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: dating and decided to focus only on myself, my music, 704 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: my growth, and my female friendships. If I only hung 705 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: out with my female friends, people couldn't sensationalize or sexualize that, right. 706 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: I would learn later on that people could and people would. Now, 707 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: this seems to be a direct response to the people 708 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: who keep trying to push that she was in a 709 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: romantic relationship with Carlie Klass the Gala community. Kate, you mean, 710 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: and I think they've taken this prologue very personalized. 711 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: I don't even think it was just the Gala community. 712 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: I think it was directed at a lot of journalists 713 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: who have tried to click bake this story. I mean, 714 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: I didn't understand why it was such an appropriate topic 715 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: of conversation, because. 716 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 2: Why are we trying to out someone. 717 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: Who has flatly refused and said no, I'm straight. I 718 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: don't quite understand how that's acceptable or appropriate. Yeah, I've 719 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: been really annoyed by this commentary, and it is the 720 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: first time that Taylor has addressed these rumors directly. Well, 721 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: she was also talking about her famous friendship groups because 722 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: at the time, a lot of people had an issue 723 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: with that, saying that she was only befriending gorgeous and 724 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: glamorous women and that she wasn't relatable to her fans anymore. 725 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: And for her, she's probably thinking, can I do anything right? 726 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: It is interesting that she's almost got some of the 727 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: clique back together. So we did see that Carl was 728 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: at one of the Era's tour concerts, and she has 729 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: been photographed a lot with Blake Lively and Sophie Turner. 730 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: So I just want to know. 731 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: What she's up to because she's been doing so much recently. 732 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: And I think it's all gonna make sense very soon. 733 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 1: I've been saying that for quite a while. Yeah, well, 734 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I could be any more excited about 735 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift tour in February, but this is just 736 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: amping things up even more. Well, everyone is saying that 737 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: there's going to be another album released very soon. What 738 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: do you guys think about that? I did see a 739 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: meme of her walking hand in hand with Travis Kelcey 740 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: and it said Taylor Swift walking out with her new album. 741 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll get songs about him that quickly, 742 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: but perhaps we'll get some banger breakup songs about Joe 743 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: Allen Well. I could talk about Taylor Swift all day, 744 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: but we will end things there. This podcast was recorded 745 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the 746 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present.