WEBVTT - Melbourne's war against e-scooters

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is this is the daily This is

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<v Speaker 1>the daily. Ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Thursday, the

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<v Speaker 1>fifteenth of August.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm billy, I'm Zara.

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<v Speaker 1>Rented e scooters. If you live in Melbourne, it is

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<v Speaker 1>hard to go a day without seeing one. But this

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<v Speaker 1>week the City of Melbourne Council has voted to ban

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<v Speaker 1>hired e scooters due to what it says is an

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<v Speaker 1>unacceptable safety risk. It has caused a fierce debate, with

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<v Speaker 1>the state government now pleading with the council to change

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<v Speaker 1>their decision. So where are we at with the exponential

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<v Speaker 1>rise of rental scooters and how has this debate been

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<v Speaker 1>settled elsewhere in the world. In today's Deep Dive, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to tell you what you need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, Sara, what is making headlines today.

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<v Speaker 2>A forty six year old woman has been charged with

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<v Speaker 2>murder after her take one year old daughter was found

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<v Speaker 2>dead in a Gold Coast home this week. Emergency crews

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<v Speaker 2>were called to a property in the suburb of Karra

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday night. A woman was located nearby and has

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<v Speaker 2>since been arrested and charged. The Gold Coast school attended

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<v Speaker 2>by the girl has released the statement, saying she was

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<v Speaker 2>a beloved member of the school community.

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<v Speaker 1>Japan's Prime Minister Fumiro Kashida has announced he will step

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<v Speaker 1>down at next month. Kashida told reporters he won't contest

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<v Speaker 1>the leadership for his party, the Liberal Democratic Party, when

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<v Speaker 1>it holds a vote next month. Kashida has been the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime minister of Japan since twenty twenty one. His approval

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<v Speaker 1>ratings have slumped in recent months, with one poll showing

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<v Speaker 1>support for his government had dropped to fifteen point five percent.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes amid ongoing national economic and social challenges, including

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<v Speaker 1>a low birth rate, high inflation, and concerns about corruption

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<v Speaker 1>in politics.

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<v Speaker 2>MPUs has been declared as a public health emergency in

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<v Speaker 2>Africa as CA base numbers continue to soar across the continent.

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<v Speaker 2>Empox is a viral disease that can cause skinner muscle lesions,

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<v Speaker 2>high temperature, headache, muscle lakes, and swollen lymph nodes. Thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of cases have been recorded this year, mostly around Central Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>including in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Africa Centers for

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<v Speaker 2>Disease Control and Prevention said the virus was spreading rapidly,

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<v Speaker 2>with cases detected in sixteen countries, up from ten earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this month.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's good news, scientists have found a new way

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<v Speaker 1>to recycle microplastics for use in batteries. Researchers at James

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<v Speaker 1>Cook University in Queenslance successfully used microwave technology to convert

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<v Speaker 1>can be used to develop solar power cells and batteries.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Mowe and Jacob said the discovery could help reduce

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<v Speaker 1>the adverse effects of microplastic pollution on our ecosystems.

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<v Speaker 2>So believe there have been of headlines over the last

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four to forty eight hours about rented et scooters

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<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne, and I want to talk about what's happened there,

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<v Speaker 2>But then I also want to take a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a broader look as to what the state of play

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<v Speaker 2>is when it comes to east scooters around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get there, though, tell me what happened in

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne this week.

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<v Speaker 1>So on Tuesday night, the City of Melbourne Council, so

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<v Speaker 1>the local council for that area in the CBD, they

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<v Speaker 1>voted to ban rental e scooters. So normal e scooters

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<v Speaker 1>that you own are completely fine. It's just the rented ones.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably recognize, the bright grain scooters, the lame ones, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that are literally everywhere in the Melbourne Seed.

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<v Speaker 2>Drop it exactly where I park and therefore need to

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<v Speaker 2>just climb over there to reach wherever them going.

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<v Speaker 1>So what it would mean is that the council would

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<v Speaker 1>end its contracts with e scooter companies, which are mostly

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<v Speaker 1>Lime and Neuron, nearly six months before they were due

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<v Speaker 1>to expire. So right now we're in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>trial and I'll get into that, but basically they are

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<v Speaker 1>ending that and you basically won't see them anymore because

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<v Speaker 1>of this decision, and the companies have thirty days to

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<v Speaker 1>remove their scooters from Melbourne's CBD. There are other councils

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<v Speaker 1>where they still will be fine, but in Melbourne CBD.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is a really large council area, it needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be said. Okay, So I mean I spend a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time in Melbourne, and so when I saw this headline,

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<v Speaker 2>when I saw that the Lord Mayor had announced that

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<v Speaker 2>this was going to happen, I just thought of all

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<v Speaker 2>of my melbourney and friends. You know, you just can't

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<v Speaker 2>go fifteen minutes without seeing an e scooter or a

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<v Speaker 2>Lime or whatever it is. They are everywhere in Melbourne, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the intro, I use the word exponential rise

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<v Speaker 1>because it really has been like that in the past

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<v Speaker 1>two years. I've been there twice and both times, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these scooters have kind of been a key part of

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<v Speaker 1>my trip because they're so much fun. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I've ever shared this story with you, but one

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<v Speaker 1>time I was in Melbourne for work and I was

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<v Speaker 1>using one of the scooters to get to the office

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<v Speaker 1>where I needed to go, and I was on a

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<v Speaker 1>footpath just briefly and I got completely shouted at. It

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the most humiliating experiences of my life

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<v Speaker 1>when it was the first time I realized that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>these weren't the most popular locals.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was clear that there was a lot of frustration,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was clear that I hadn't been the first

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<v Speaker 1>person that that person had compatively obliterated.

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<v Speaker 2>Hilarious. I mean, it's very clear that there are two

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<v Speaker 2>sides to this argument. What is the history, Like, how

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<v Speaker 2>did Melbourne become so littered with these e scooters? Because

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney doesn't feel like it has the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, Sydney has the bikes, but we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the scooters yea. So rented e scooters were first introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to Melbourne in February or twenty twenty two, so about

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half years in now. When they were

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<v Speaker 1>first introduced, they were just a trial, like I mentioned before,

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<v Speaker 1>and that trial has just been extended several times since now.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout the trial there have been concerns raised about dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>behaviors by riders, and there have been many fines that

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<v Speaker 1>have been handed out to riders for their failure to

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<v Speaker 1>comply with rules like wearing helmets, running red lights, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, in my defense, when you get

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<v Speaker 1>on those scooters, I mean, apart from needing to wear

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<v Speaker 1>a helmet, there wasn't anything that told me you absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>cannot go on footpaths, you can't go in this place

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<v Speaker 1>like I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so I think a bit of a free

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<v Speaker 2>for all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think enforcing the rules has been a real

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<v Speaker 1>concern for many and in May there was a blitz

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<v Speaker 1>from the Victorian Police of trying to hand out several

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<v Speaker 1>fines to show that they are trying to enforce these rules.

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<v Speaker 1>There have also been serious concerns about people getting injured.

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<v Speaker 1>A Royal Melbourne Hospital study reported that there were over

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred e scooter related head injuries in the trial's

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<v Speaker 1>first year.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and those injuries cost the economy just under two

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, which is not insignificant at all. Although I

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<v Speaker 1>have just gone straight to the negatives, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should also mention some of the positives.

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<v Speaker 2>So what are the positives then, because there are many.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of the obvious ones, like I said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really fun. When I went on, it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of joy. There was a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wind in my hair, enjoying my ride to work. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is a positive that a lot of Melbournians have

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<v Speaker 1>embraced it. Yeah, Melbourne actually has one of the highest

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<v Speaker 1>rates of e scooter uptake in the world. They have

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<v Speaker 1>about six thousand trips occurring a day on these rented

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<v Speaker 1>e scooters. Another positive is that it is good for

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<v Speaker 1>the environment, So according to the state government, as of

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<v Speaker 1>August last year, the trial had resulted in the city's

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<v Speaker 1>carbon emissions being reduced by more than four hundred tons.

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<v Speaker 1>Again not insignificant and part of The reason for that

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<v Speaker 1>is because it has encouraged more people to use public transport,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's because people are using it as a way

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<v Speaker 1>to connect their commute, so for example, from a train

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<v Speaker 1>to a tram, they're using these scooters in between that.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know that that is good for the environment

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<v Speaker 1>as well, which goes back to the four hundred tons

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<v Speaker 1>of carbon et missions being reduced, and that has also

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<v Speaker 1>helped alleviate traffic with less cars on the road, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. And another positive is that it has actually

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<v Speaker 1>contributed more than one hundred and seventy million dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>the local economy since twent twenty two, and that's according

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<v Speaker 1>to the state government.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I feel myself flip flopping on this issue

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<v Speaker 2>as you speak. When you were talking about the negatives,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, they shut When you talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the positive, I was like, I love them. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>go to the professionals and the experts. Why did the

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<v Speaker 2>council make this decision? What was their reasoning?

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<v Speaker 1>So essentially, the Melbourne Lord Mayor Nicholas Reese, who brought

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<v Speaker 1>this motion to the council, said that he has basically

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<v Speaker 1>just run out of patients with the scooters and said

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<v Speaker 1>that they pose an unacceptable risk to people's safety. Here

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit of what he said during the

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<v Speaker 1>council meeting on Tuesday night.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, so Lord Mayor Nicholas raised absolutely not mincing

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<v Speaker 2>his words there. What have some of the responses to

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<v Speaker 2>the announcement been.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go straight to the Victorian Premier, Jacinta Allen, who

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<v Speaker 1>isn't the happiest and I think she's a pretty important

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<v Speaker 1>person in this, I thought, senior leaders in the state.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is kind of an awkward one because this

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<v Speaker 1>trial of e s scooters that I've been mentioning that

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<v Speaker 1>was a state government initiative. But in order for hired

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<v Speaker 1>e scooters to operate in an area, the companies need

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<v Speaker 1>the explicit approval of the relevant local council.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So there's those overlapping responsibilities of and local government.

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<v Speaker 2>So you both need to kind of be on the

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<v Speaker 2>same page for this to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and so the state government isn't as you would expect,

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<v Speaker 1>Please that the Melbourne CBD's local council isn't now cooperating

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<v Speaker 1>with the state government's initiative. So the Premier, Jacinta Allen

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<v Speaker 1>said yesterday that she hopes that the local council is

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<v Speaker 1>going to change their mind. Here is a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of what she said in her press conference yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>I really hope that the City of Melbourne can have

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<v Speaker 3>a change of heart on this decision. It was only

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<v Speaker 3>two or three weeks ago that the Lord Mayor was

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<v Speaker 3>pretty keen to be out talking about the benefits of

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<v Speaker 3>a scooters in the City of Melbourne. There are trials

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<v Speaker 3>going on in other parts of the city and state.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're here there that she mentioned something that happened

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks ago. There she's referring to when the Victorian

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<v Speaker 1>government announced in July that e scooters would be permanently

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<v Speaker 1>legalized in Melbourne from this October with additional safety and

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<v Speaker 1>compliance measures right there. Okay, Yeah, so literally three weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago the Victorian government held a press conference and said

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<v Speaker 1>e scooters are here to stay in Melbourne. What's also

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<v Speaker 1>interesting about that is that the Lord Mayor, Nicholas Reese,

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<v Speaker 1>was at that press conference, standing next to the minister

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<v Speaker 1>who was announcing it. And so I think that also

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<v Speaker 1>goes to why the Victorian government is a bit confused

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<v Speaker 1>now because what they're saying is just three weeks ago

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<v Speaker 1>you are helping us say that these scooters were here

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<v Speaker 1>to stay, and now you're saying that we're actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to take them away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean, just to add another level of

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<v Speaker 2>complexity to the political arena that this is playing out in,

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<v Speaker 2>there's actually a local election happening soon. So Lord Mayor

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas Race he has assumed that position because previous Lord

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor Sally Caps stepped down and now he's contesting that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's so much to this it's really quite fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Can always trust you to have election knowledge of local

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<v Speaker 1>councils in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite thing to do. Okay, so let's move now

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<v Speaker 2>to Line because I imagine that they haven't taken to

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<v Speaker 2>this announcement too well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So Lime is one of the biggest stakeholders in this debate.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't recognize a name I said before, you

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<v Speaker 1>might recognize their really bright green coloring.

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<v Speaker 2>Or the noise. I was recently walking with my partner

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<v Speaker 2>and someone was activating a line bike and you know

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<v Speaker 2>it like do do do oh, Yes, I was that

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<v Speaker 2>is the noise of a generation. I could hear that

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<v Speaker 2>in my sleep and not be confused. But anyway, Lime

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<v Speaker 2>very widespread.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and not very happy with this announcement, as you

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<v Speaker 1>would expect. So they responded to this in a statement

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<v Speaker 1>saying that they appreciate that counselors are hearing from what

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<v Speaker 1>they say is a very vocal minority. Interesting and they

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<v Speaker 1>also said that removing the service in Melbourne could actually

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<v Speaker 1>lead to more dangerous outcomes. So in a statement, they said,

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<v Speaker 1>if higher schemes aren't around, riders will turn to unregulated,

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<v Speaker 1>privately owned scooters that can be modified to travel at

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<v Speaker 1>the same speeds as cars and without the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>imply meant geo fencing, slow zones and helmets.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's just the typical black market argument. Yet if

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<v Speaker 2>you ban something, people still do it, but it just

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<v Speaker 2>becomes more dangerous. I mean, obviously we'd have to wait

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<v Speaker 2>and see if that rings true, but it's an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>argument there from a company that has a lot to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I want to turn really quickly before we

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<v Speaker 2>end to the rest of the world, because Melbourne is

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<v Speaker 2>by no means unique. You know, we said that there's

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<v Speaker 2>been a lot of uptake, but these e scooters are

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<v Speaker 2>all around the world. Can you tell me what has

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<v Speaker 2>happened elsewhere?

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<v Speaker 1>So Another city where these rented scooters have been really

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<v Speaker 1>popular is Paris, and they have gone through these.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time of my life on an e scooter there,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, there is nothing better in

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<v Speaker 2>this world than being in summer in Paris on an

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<v Speaker 2>e scooter.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that is not a luxury. You can have any mine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll explain why. So they have gone through the

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<v Speaker 1>exact debate that Melbourne is having right now, and the

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<v Speaker 1>way they settled this debate is actually by putting it

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<v Speaker 1>to a public poll last year, and that pole resulted

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<v Speaker 1>in ninety percent of people who responded, So not everyone

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<v Speaker 1>responded and you're not quite a citizen or a resident,

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<v Speaker 1>but that poll resulted in ninety percent of respondents voting

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<v Speaker 1>to remove scooters. So again I think it comes back

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<v Speaker 1>to it's not really the most popular thing for locals

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<v Speaker 1>in these cities where it is really popular. And so ever,

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<v Speaker 1>since September last year, scooters have been banned in the

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<v Speaker 1>city and Zara most importantly hasn't been able to ride

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<v Speaker 1>her scooter through the streets of Paris.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, Niche experiences they're coming to light on this podcast. Billy,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for explaining that I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed like a fairly straightforward story, but there are so

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<v Speaker 2>many layers to it, and I think it will be

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting. This is a precedent that's being set in

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne and seeing what happens elsewhere will be fascinating too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's you know, it's an economic story, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a safety story, it's a political story, it's a tourism story.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I want to go to Melbourne now.

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<v Speaker 2>That they don't know really, draw card is gone.

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