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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's Well, just as we're dealing with the

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Speaker 1: fallout of allegations of sexual abuse in the offices of

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Speaker 1: Parliament House, the Sidney Morning Herald has been highlighting disturbing

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Speaker 1: stories of abuse perpetrated by boys from some of our

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Speaker 1: most prestigious private boys' schools. How is this happening? And

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Speaker 1: is that the same thing? School boys and parliament houses

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Speaker 1: at the same male behavior. Brent Sanders is an educator

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Speaker 1: who speaks to workplaces and schools about all kinds of topics,

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Speaker 1: including consent. Brent joins us now, Hollo Brand, how are

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Speaker 1: you nice to talk to you? Is this the same thing?

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Speaker 1: We're seeing petitions from girls from private girls' schools saying

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Speaker 1: here's how we're being treated by the boys, and we're

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Speaker 1: seeing this in the offices of Parliament House. Is this

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Speaker 1: the same issue?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess they're certainly in the connected, Amanda, you know,

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Speaker 2: any sort of behavior along these lines, i'd be sexual

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Speaker 2: harassm under or in the recent House issues of what

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Speaker 2: seems to be serial offenses by actual one individual, they're

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Speaker 2: certainly interrelated. And the boys' schools look to be fair.

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Speaker 2: The ones that I go into have been for quite

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Speaker 2: some time doing a lot of work in this space,

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Speaker 2: but of course more needs to be done, definitely.

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Speaker 1: So's where's the disconnect? You do go and talk into boys' schools.

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Speaker 1: I've got teenage sons, i'd like to think, and I

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Speaker 1: know that they are well mannered young men, and I

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Speaker 1: talk to them about this. They do know where the

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Speaker 1: line is. Who's falling through the cracks here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's a really good question about it. And

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Speaker 2: I think, I mean, you know, I've been going in

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Speaker 2: and out of school for over twenty years. I've spoken

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Speaker 2: to nine hundred thousand students about sexual assault, sexual crime,

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Speaker 2: and I speak to as many young men as I

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Speaker 2: do young women. And look, I agree with you. I

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Speaker 2: think overwhelmingly young men at school and at university a

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Speaker 2: good decent young blokes who make good choices, but sadly

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Speaker 2: been amongst them, there are others who who don't. And

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Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a very it's really disturbing. And

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Speaker 2: the girls' schools that kind of are mentioned in the

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Speaker 2: survey and the boys' schools, I go into all of them,

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Speaker 2: and I know that a lot of the boyish schools,

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Speaker 2: you know, run talks on consent and relationships and sexual

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Speaker 2: assault from quite a young age, from her night up.

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Speaker 2: But it's just evidence that you've just got to keep

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Speaker 2: tipping weigh at this and I think I think one

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Speaker 2: area that probably requires a little bit of work is

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Speaker 2: work with the parents so that parents can have these

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Speaker 2: discussions with their with their sons and their daughters as well.

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Speaker 2: I think there's probably a lack of knowledge around what

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Speaker 2: consent actually is, what it means legally, what constitutes a

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Speaker 2: sexual offense, and so it's a difficult subject approach. I

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Speaker 2: guess the parents with some young men.

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Speaker 3: And we're more connected with our kids than perhaps back

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Speaker 3: in my day. My father didn't have to lecture me

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Speaker 3: about how to treat women and stuff. I just learned

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Speaker 3: from him.

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Speaker 1: Well, now things are learning from social media as well,

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Speaker 1: aren't they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, there's a lot of different influences out definitely.

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Speaker 2: I guess for me, you know, our generation, we you know,

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Speaker 2: there was a percentage of people who did the wrong thing,

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Speaker 2: and it's the same now we do. Hear a lot

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Speaker 2: more about it, and I guess, well, look, we've just

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Speaker 2: got to keep talking to these young folks about I

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Speaker 2: was at Send University last night I'm back there again today,

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Speaker 2: and these are older students obviously, but overwhelmingly those students

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Speaker 2: that you speak to at that age have had this

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Speaker 2: education coming through. But you know, sadly, when you sometimes

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Speaker 2: get young boys together and you add alcohol and you

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Speaker 2: put peer pressure in there, even things like fear of

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Speaker 2: losing faith in front of their mates, and how that

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Speaker 2: can then transition into a you know, six exchanges. It's

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Speaker 2: multi faceted. I think to be to.

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Speaker 1: Be honest, and also is the modern social playground harder

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Speaker 1: these days? The girls, there's everyone's drinking. Some of these

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Speaker 1: lines are being blurred.

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Speaker 2: You think, oh, yeah, look I do. And you know

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Speaker 2: what's interesting too, I think, Amanda, is a lot of

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Speaker 2: and talk to students. In year twelve and year eleven,

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Speaker 2: those students themselves were saying to the school, hey, look,

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Speaker 2: this is a really good message. It's a really important message,

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Speaker 2: but we need to get that younger. And I have

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Speaker 2: found over the years that the kids are really not

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Speaker 2: that much different to what they've always been, but I

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Speaker 2: think they're exposed to the type of things that maybe

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Speaker 2: back in our day you were sort of seventeen and eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Now they're sort of, you know, fourteen and fifteen, where

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Speaker 2: they're going out and about and socialized and more so,

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Speaker 2: I think the exposure to the type of thing that

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Speaker 2: I talk about is definitely happening young now than what

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Speaker 2: it was fifteen or twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're doing great work there. To find out more

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Speaker 3: on how you can book Brent for a talk at

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Speaker 3: your school, head to Brent Sanders Consulting dot com dot

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Speaker 3: A you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Brent, Thanks Brent, thank you, no word.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys Jonesy and Amanda's Gamation