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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation. I've been loving this show. I

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Speaker 1: think it's on stand called Prosper. I have you heard

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Speaker 1: about Prosper. We spoke to Rebecca Gibney when this show started.

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Speaker 1: She's brilliant in it. Richard Roxburgh is brilliant in it.

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Speaker 1: It is a show about a pastor. I can't watch

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Speaker 1: it after eight because I'm off the cars. It's about

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Speaker 1: a pastor and his wife and their evangelical church, and

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Speaker 1: it's loosely based on the rise and fall of Hillsong.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to glean out of the Hillsong's story.

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Speaker 1: Frank Houston, the founder of the church, has been moved aside.

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Speaker 1: I think he may have died. I'm not sure that's

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Speaker 1: ultimate moving aside, but his son, Brian took it over

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Speaker 1: and their children are all involved in it. Brian Houston

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, was found guilty of and

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Speaker 1: inappropriate behavior and Code of Conduct breach inappropriate text messages

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Speaker 1: to a staff member, leading to the employee's resignation. He

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Speaker 1: said because of his sleeping tablets. Then there were charges

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Speaker 1: relating to concealing child sexual abuse. He allegedly, well, I

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Speaker 1: guess he's been charged. Knew that his father was a

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Speaker 1: sexual abuser and concealed the information. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: all tax free because it's a so called church. Also

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Speaker 1: other allegations of threatening other European pastors, etc.

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Speaker 2: Et cetera, really threatening European past.

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Speaker 1: He has two former European passes accused, Brian Houston and

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Speaker 1: the church's general manager of sending threatening emails during a

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Speaker 1: dispute over a transfer of church property in cash. So

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of conjecture about the nature of

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Speaker 1: this church, which is what makes this show prosper so

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Speaker 1: interesting because Cal, who's Richard roxborrough head of the church,

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Speaker 1: and his wife and their children. Well, Cal wants to

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Speaker 1: expand into America, but he can't get away from his

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Speaker 1: Shakespearean demons and this video of him doing drugs, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. He has a crisis of conscience. And you

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Speaker 1: wander through this as you do with other evangelicals. Are

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Speaker 1: they true believers or are they believers in the ego

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Speaker 1: of the position therein?

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Speaker 2: I think they'll start off with that Jim Jones from

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Speaker 2: famously from Jonestown. He started off and he was quite altruistic,

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Speaker 2: well he was.

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Speaker 1: He was a humanitarian.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to and he was ahead of his time

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Speaker 2: in America where there was segregation and things like that.

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Speaker 2: He was ahead of his time with getting black and

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Speaker 2: white together and he wanted people to not live in poverty.

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Speaker 1: Then expanded into jonestown in the Congo. Yeah, and how

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Speaker 1: it got to that and group poisoning.

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Speaker 2: That is that is quite a thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, interestingly, Brian Houston has been in the news again

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Speaker 1: just just last week. Well, what he's done is he

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Speaker 1: has typed something into a search engine but has pressed

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Speaker 1: the wrong button and it's gone on Twitter or x.

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Speaker 1: This is what he typed in Ladies and Girls kissing

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Speaker 1: and that's gone public kissing. What that's all it says,

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Speaker 1: So presumably he was trying to access that. Sixteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: After sixteen minutes of exposure, the post was deleted and

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Speaker 1: another tweet replaced it saying I think my Twitter may

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Speaker 1: have been hacked.

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Speaker 2: Y get tacked all the ault thing.

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Speaker 1: And then of course people have said, how did Brian

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Speaker 1: get his account back so quickly? Why did the hacker

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Speaker 1: only post four words and do nothing else? Did the

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Speaker 1: hacker think they are entering something into a search bar?

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Speaker 1: Didn't know that? What they were doing because they're clueless

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Speaker 1: about technology, so give them the benefit of the doubt. People,

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Speaker 1: it's just research, it's just research. But I recommend prosper

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Speaker 1: You fight it on Stan. The cast are amazing. A

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Speaker 1: very interesting story, as I say, based on this intriguing

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Speaker 1: family