Speaker 1: Hello, they welcome to you ain't seeing nothing yet the
Speaker 1: Movie Podcast. We're our chat to a movie lover about
Speaker 1: a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite got around
Speaker 1: to watching until now. And today's guests writer, comedian, documentary filmmaker.
Speaker 1: Returning guests Alexi Coleopolis.
Speaker 2: All below.
Speaker 3: I want to stay here with you.
Speaker 2: Gays to the jobber, I hate, snake sucked, I hail.
Speaker 4: They couldn't have any right.
Speaker 1: So the great thing about a returning guest is I
Speaker 1: don't have to pump up all their ties as much
Speaker 1: as I did the first time they came home, because
Speaker 1: that gets exhausting. I mean, how many times we have
Speaker 1: to bang on about the guests. But Alexi, let me
Speaker 1: let's say if you don't know, you may have seen
Speaker 1: him on Question Everything with Will Anderson. He's doing The
Speaker 1: Weekly with Charlie Pickering. He is a guy on the rise.
Speaker 1: Alexi is one of the biggest film lovers that I know.
Speaker 4: We covered The Rocky Here a Picture Show last time.
Speaker 1: His three favorite films I should point out were Looking
Speaker 1: for Ala, Brandy, Wayne's World, and Ride of Frankenstein. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he's going to nominate his next three favorite films
Speaker 1: very soon. But you might also know Alexi from his
Speaker 1: documentary web series Finding Desperado, Finding Drago, and the most
Speaker 1: recent is Smash It Fighting Uses. They are so much
Speaker 1: fun in podcast form, but Finding Yeases is video. You
Speaker 1: watch it as a web series with his great mate
Speaker 1: Cameron James, who's a previous guest, and you ain't seen
Speaker 1: nothing yet.
Speaker 4: We did Parenthood together. I love those guys.
Speaker 1: They're a great partnership and also great individually. But they're
Speaker 1: doing really exciting work and really fun work, so get onto.
Speaker 4: Finding Jesus is the most recent one.
Speaker 1: Alexi is joyous, is articulate, he is kind, is good natured.
Speaker 1: He's a presence where he just immediately puts a smile
Speaker 1: on your face. I really like those kinds of people.
Speaker 1: They're my kind of favorite people to hang out with.
Speaker 1: And I'm bloody stoked to be hanging with Alexi Toll today.
Speaker 4: Hello.
Speaker 5: My name is Alexi Tolo, and my next three favorite
Speaker 5: movies are how Do They Night? Fever, Tony, You Know Something,
Speaker 5: The King That Day, You're Great, They Danced, the documentary Catfish.
Speaker 1: There are those people who are catfish and life and
Speaker 1: they keep you on your.
Speaker 5: Toes and Tracy Moffatt's the devil.
Speaker 3: The children in the area have always told tales about him.
Speaker 5: And up until just this very week, I had never
Speaker 5: seen Peterweeze Dead poet Society excrement.
Speaker 3: That's what I think, mister j Evans Pritchard. We're not
Speaker 3: laying pipe. We're talking about poetry. How can you describe
Speaker 3: poetry like American bandstand? I like buyer and give a
Speaker 3: forty two, but I can't dance to it. I want
Speaker 3: you to rip out that page, rip out the entire page.
Speaker 2: Hear me, rip it out, rip it out.
Speaker 1: Yes, before Maverick blasted his way to a billy dollars
Speaker 1: at the box office, there was the original Maverick Maverick
Speaker 1: English teacher John Keating at the Welton Academy in Vermont,
Speaker 1: New England, nine point fifty nine. He was inspiring students
Speaker 1: with his unorthodox teaching methods as he preached the dangers
Speaker 1: of conformity, much to the chagrine of the school's administration.
Speaker 1: Of course, we know that Dead Polt Society represented a
Speaker 1: huge pivot in the Great Robin Williams career, and it
Speaker 1: happened under the direction of the Great Ozzie Peter Weir, Gallipoli, Pickney,
Speaker 1: Hagging Rock Witness, The Truman Show, and many more. It's
Speaker 1: hard to imagine this film having the profound impact it
Speaker 1: does have with anyone else in the lead role. Not
Speaker 1: only did this priven milestone for Williams, Dead Poelt Society
Speaker 1: also introduced the world to Ethan Hawke playing shy teenager
Speaker 1: Todd Anderson, who is arguably the heart of the film.
Speaker 1: Then we have Wanna Be actor Neil Perry, Robert Shawn
Speaker 1: Lennon rallying against his father's more academic demands, the rebellious
Speaker 1: Charlie Gail Hansen, the romantic Knox Josh Charle, studious Meeks
Speaker 1: Alelan Riggerio, and the straight laced and suckas Cameron Dylan
Speaker 1: Cusseman all are excellent. He nabbed first time writing Tom
Speaker 1: Shulman and Oscar for his scripts. Williams missed out on
Speaker 1: the Oscar to Daniel day Lewis for My Left Foot
Speaker 1: in a tough category which also saw Tom Cruise nominated
Speaker 1: for Born on the Fourth of July, Kenneth Branner Henry
Speaker 1: the Fifth, and Morgan Freeman driving Miss Daisy Or nominated.
Speaker 1: It's a movie that stays with you, and it's about
Speaker 1: the power the right teacher at the right time can
Speaker 1: have about making connections and finding your voice.
Speaker 4: Alex Tollyopolis, have you seized a day today?
Speaker 5: I absolutely carpy DMed my freaking ass off this morning.
Speaker 5: I woke up at six a m. I read a
Speaker 5: chapter of a book. I packed my suitcase. I can't
Speaker 5: think of anybody more prepped to discussing them with than
Speaker 5: me today.
Speaker 4: You have definitely sees a day.
Speaker 1: Carp adm to you and to everyone listening, thank you
Speaker 1: for seizing today by listening to this podcast very special edition.
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
Speaker 5: Oh it is my pleasure to once again return captain
Speaker 5: my captain.
Speaker 1: If you could refer to me as I get my captain,
Speaker 1: I will appreciate.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 4: Can come down from the desk, though we don't need
Speaker 4: you standing on the desk.
Speaker 5: Okay, let me shuffle back down. Of course, the conservative
Speaker 5: huddle bubbles at the top of the teep sending me
Speaker 5: back down. They're ruining my inspiration.
Speaker 1: Let me be Alexi, please, Why having you seen this film?
Speaker 1: There are some films where it's like I cannot believe
Speaker 1: you haven't seen Jaws. Silly Baccola or I can't believe
Speaker 1: you haven't seen Star Wars. Relieve that even when we
Speaker 1: did Rocky Horror Picture Show. I think we're both a
Speaker 1: little bit embarrassed we haven't seen this. This one probably
Speaker 1: exists in a slightly different sphere where you know.
Speaker 4: I love this film.
Speaker 1: I watched it in the cinema and it came out
Speaker 1: and it was one of the ones we had on
Speaker 1: DHS VHS. So I feel like I've seen this, you know,
Speaker 1: countless times. Why why having you seen it? And what
Speaker 1: did you know of it?
Speaker 5: I think I hadn't seen it because I think it's
Speaker 5: one of those movies that when did you see Would
Speaker 5: you have seen it quite young?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would have been This comes out in
Speaker 1: eighty nine to ninety, so, yeah, about fourteen fifteen, so
Speaker 1: I was pretty well in the hitting zone for this one.
Speaker 5: That's what I think. I think this is a movie
Speaker 5: that really really strikes a chord with young people, especially
Speaker 5: young men. But I think I just missed it at
Speaker 5: the time. It wasn't like part of a curriculum or
Speaker 5: anything for me to watch. Weirdly, though, the movie Witness
Speaker 5: was part of the school curriculum when I was in
Speaker 5: high school and there was a couple of other Peter
Speaker 5: Weed joints around that I had. I'd seen basically all
Speaker 5: of his movies. This is the only one that I
Speaker 5: had never seen. I really really love Peter Wee, really
Speaker 5: really respect him a lot as a filmmaker. I think
Speaker 5: that I missed it as a kid, And now it's
Speaker 5: one of those films that exists in that space, not
Speaker 5: unlike the films you mentioned before, that is oft parodied
Speaker 5: and exists in in this kind of like realm where
Speaker 5: people know scenes from it so well, like I could
Speaker 5: probably quote this movie without ever having seen it. So
Speaker 5: it always almost felt like I didn't have the urge
Speaker 5: to see it because in a sense, I felt like
Speaker 5: I had seen it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But then recently I put up a thing on my
Speaker 5: Instagram which is like every now every year or so,
Speaker 5: I do like a film Q and a where people
Speaker 5: can ask me questions and I will give my answers
Speaker 5: about films on my Instagram and people ask me like, what,
Speaker 5: what's the biggest movie I haven't seen? And I just
Speaker 5: went through my list and I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 5: is a pretty famous movie. I guess I haven't seen it.
Speaker 5: And people lost their freaking minds that I'd never seen
Speaker 5: this movie. And when you asked me to do this
Speaker 5: podcast again in the email thread, when I just said
Speaker 5: this is probably the biggest mom when I've seen, everyone
Speaker 5: was roasting me, like everyone really yes, everyone that was
Speaker 5: connecting the two of us or making fun of me
Speaker 5: in the email Shane that I hadn't seen this movie
Speaker 5: is I was like, oh my god, I finally got
Speaker 5: to see this movie.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, yeah, it's I'm kind of glad because
Speaker 1: I like this movie. I really like and you know,
Speaker 1: we'll get to your thoughts on it soon, but I
Speaker 1: mean it's kind of known.
Speaker 4: I mean, sees the day in car adm you know, like.
Speaker 5: A captain my captain.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can't. You can kind of pretend, you know
Speaker 4: a little bit of Latin.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't feel a bit smart because you
Speaker 1: know some Latin, of course.
Speaker 4: But it was.
Speaker 1: Really the pivot in these Robin Williams career that kind
Speaker 1: of that was almost a big thing. And I know
Speaker 1: that the writer Tom Shulman had like he had real
Speaker 1: kind of concerns about whether Robin Williams could do the
Speaker 1: job when he was he was cast and we might.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a bit more later on, so
Speaker 1: let's we'll come back. Obviously, lots of talk about dead poets, society.
Speaker 1: Let's away your next three favorite films. We had Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Fever, which I watched only for the first time
Speaker 1: and finally enough of this podcast is because I thought,
Speaker 1: I reckon, we'll do this eventually on this podcast, so
Speaker 1: you know, let's watch it early. And I think it
Speaker 1: has At the time, it had the record for the
Speaker 1: most swearing, I think, the most life bombs. I think
Speaker 1: it's a more if you've only if you haven't been
Speaker 1: paying attention. Saturday Night Fever is a much grittier film
Speaker 1: than you would think because you think Beg's exactly and
Speaker 1: all those you know and Givoltera, you know, you think, well,
Speaker 1: Dan is a Danny Zuko version of you know, it's
Speaker 1: actually pretty gritty.
Speaker 5: That's what I think really draws me to it. I
Speaker 5: think it is one of those great surprises because it has,
Speaker 5: like you said, like this cultural lineage of like what
Speaker 5: that movie exists as, which is like a fun disco movie.
Speaker 5: And the first time I saw it, I was quite young.
Speaker 5: I would have been about fifteen, and I was a
Speaker 5: young buzzing sin the file and I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I've heard great things. It's in the one thousand and
Speaker 5: one Movies You Must See Before You Die, which is
Speaker 5: like my little bible at the time. And I remember
Speaker 5: buying this new special edition DVD and just being absolutely
Speaker 5: flawed by it because you go in thinking it's going
Speaker 5: to be like a fun camp movie. It is absolutely
Speaker 5: not like a really deep character study on this young
Speaker 5: man played by John Travolta in like to me, it's
Speaker 5: my favorite performance ever. I think he is just superb
Speaker 5: in it, and it's all about basically one young man's
Speaker 5: toxic relationship with his masculinity, is toxic relationship with women,
Speaker 5: and trying to find like what platonic friendship is with women.
Speaker 5: And I think it's a really interesting way that does
Speaker 5: it really gritty, really dark, but just like just captures
Speaker 5: something about like that inner city life of like this,
Speaker 5: you know, really hot headed masculine Italian dude. And I
Speaker 5: just think it's so beautiful. I think John Travolta is
Speaker 5: so beautiful in the movie as well. I just love
Speaker 5: this film so much.
Speaker 4: Is it's best do you think?
Speaker 5: I think so? I think he's absolutely his best performance.
Speaker 5: There's a couple of other movies that I put like
Speaker 5: up there, like I love a Blowout as well. Those
Speaker 5: are probably my top two Travolters.
Speaker 4: Blow Out before or after this.
Speaker 5: It's about maybe five years after, five years after this,
Speaker 5: but those are the two that I just really really love.
Speaker 5: And I think he is my favorite actor really, yeah,
Speaker 5: I really do. Every time I watch him, he just
Speaker 5: moves so beautifully and I'm like, no one is as
Speaker 5: physical as that, and I think he's just really he's
Speaker 5: so underrated in my.
Speaker 1: People, well particularly, I think he's underrated. I think he
Speaker 1: suffers from that, you know, for whatever reasons. I don't
Speaker 1: know why he disappeared a little while. Of course Tarantino
Speaker 1: brings him back. Yeah, and very few actors, in fact,
Speaker 1: no act there's no actor in the world that consistently
Speaker 1: hits it out of the park with as far as
Speaker 1: box office and how their movies are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's turkey.
Speaker 1: Everyone's got turkeys, whether it's George Clooney or John Devolda
Speaker 1: or Nick Cage. Nick ca change a lean into it
Speaker 1: a bit more than others. But it's great when you
Speaker 1: are reminded of someone like rolled in Nick cage almost
Speaker 1: put in similar camps, so they actually.
Speaker 5: Although there's same guy, have we known then they swapped
Speaker 5: those faces. You know, you can't help it.
Speaker 1: I set that up to you like a volleyball spike
Speaker 1: that way. That is, that's amazing. But when you see
Speaker 1: young John of Volda and I you know, hey, we
Speaker 1: all get we all get older, and we all age,
Speaker 1: but there's there's something that cinema captures that you kind
Speaker 1: of And I do love going back and often for
Speaker 1: this podcast and watching movies and seeing oh, young Robert
Speaker 1: Redford or you know, and you young Alpacino, young Marl
Speaker 1: Streep and you and when you see young John of Volder,
Speaker 1: you are going, that is a movie star.
Speaker 5: But that is, you know, undeniable. He's just got this undeniable,
Speaker 5: powerful charisma. And I always think I've read about him
Speaker 5: a lot. And when he did Grease the movie, he
Speaker 5: had already done the stage show Grease, but he didn't
Speaker 5: play Danny Sugo. He just played like one of his
Speaker 5: dipstick friends. I'm like, how can you not see that
Speaker 5: guy and not cast him as the lead. It just
Speaker 5: blows my mind because he's amazing in Grease as well.
Speaker 5: But it's just like that's a movie star and you're
Speaker 5: putting him like the third build, like like dipstick friend
Speaker 5: that hangs out with him. It's like, what world do
Speaker 5: you live in? You're not one of the great beauties
Speaker 5: singing in front of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it is amazing, And and he's
Speaker 1: some of them might be you know, yelling at there
Speaker 1: this podcast saying hang on, how could you're not? Grease
Speaker 1: is his finest performance and he's really good as Dan,
Speaker 1: and it's, you know, one of my favorite films Greece.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: I will tell you right now, I'll admit to this.
Speaker 5: I'm wearing pink socks right now because he wears them
Speaker 5: in the movie Grease, and I always go it's I
Speaker 5: love that he wore those pink socks of the matching
Speaker 5: pink shirt and when he does like the big dance
Speaker 5: at the city in the middle, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 5: my favorite outfit in the movie. And I'm wearing like
Speaker 5: an inspired by right now.
Speaker 4: Wow, that is true.
Speaker 5: And I really almost wish you would edit out of
Speaker 5: the podcast.
Speaker 1: Will be taking a photo of your pink socks, because
Speaker 1: that is that is amazing.
Speaker 4: I love this backstory involved.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out the story of You're
Speaker 1: Pink out of that such.
Speaker 4: That is inspired by fantastic choice.
Speaker 1: And if you get the chance to see the Beg's documentary.
Speaker 5: Oh, I love that documentary.
Speaker 1: That was extraordinary and talk about I think it's a
Speaker 1: really good thing to do if you're interested in popular culture,
Speaker 1: if you invest any time in it, and you have
Speaker 1: an interest of what has gone.
Speaker 4: Before because you like the movie.
Speaker 1: We think of the Beg's as you know, staying Alive
Speaker 1: and you know all that stuff, But they are their
Speaker 1: stories way more interesting and they're way more talented than
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: Sometimes I get credit.
Speaker 5: For man in that documentary. How incredible is that sequence
Speaker 5: where they they kind of juxtapose their biggest concert where
Speaker 5: they're singing tragedy or something like that with like the
Speaker 5: disco sucks movement where they're burning all their records. Yes,
Speaker 5: I was like, this is top tier documentary filmmaking. Just
Speaker 5: blew me away.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Check out the BG's documentary. What's it called again,
Speaker 1: It's probably called stand Alive or some shit. I think
Speaker 1: it's a question. I think it's like a question of
Speaker 1: a you may do a little.
Speaker 5: How deep is your love? Perhaps that's a question of
Speaker 5: one of their songs. That is a question.
Speaker 4: I'm going to find it. I'm going to find it.
Speaker 5: It's a what's his name? Directed it? The guy that
Speaker 5: produced Jurassic Park and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called how Can Your Mend a Broken Heart?
Speaker 1: Of course, yes, yes, yes, grab it on Netflix and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's a ripper.
Speaker 4: Let's talk.
Speaker 1: A catfish a documentary, one of the more you know,
Speaker 1: modern documentaries if you like dealing with them, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it was made probably in there fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago, but more of a modern phenomena than catfishing.
Speaker 4: I had no idea what catfishing was.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the documentary that gave it that work.
Speaker 4: Was that it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that comes from that documentary. It's basically a documentary.
Speaker 7: Film two thousand and eleven, yeah, twy ten, twenty eleven,
Speaker 7: and it is very early in like social media days,
Speaker 7: and it is basically chronicling and investigating a relationship building
Speaker 7: between two people over the Internet that have never met
Speaker 7: in real life.
Speaker 5: And at a certain point, while the relationship is building,
Speaker 5: something happens where they realize things are not all what
Speaker 5: they seem, and it really blew my mind and captured
Speaker 5: my attention. I was in film school at the time,
Speaker 5: and I always loved documentary and I just kind of
Speaker 5: had never really thought about becoming a documentary person, but
Speaker 5: I when this documentary came out, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 5: I would love to make something like that, because like
Speaker 5: this investigative documentary into something that's like small and personal
Speaker 5: rather than like a big, large scale thing. And it's
Speaker 5: weird because like, now that's like my job. It's like
Speaker 5: making that stuff.
Speaker 4: Hello, finding us.
Speaker 5: And that's the That was the film that changed all
Speaker 5: for me. I was like, I one day, I want
Speaker 5: to find a story like that. And I was studying
Speaker 5: documentary at the time, and I really embraced it, and
Speaker 5: it was just like this is what I want to do.
Speaker 5: I want to make documentaries. And it's just always stuck
Speaker 5: with me, and every time I had to like go,
Speaker 5: what was my favorite film of the twenty tens, It's
Speaker 5: like Catfish easily came out right at the start, but
Speaker 5: I think it captures so much of like how people
Speaker 5: interacted for that whole decade, which is through social media,
Speaker 5: and it did it so early, so well, and it
Speaker 5: has this beautiful, like kind of mixed media approach where
Speaker 5: they've always got their little cameras on them and they're
Speaker 5: these tiny little digital cameras and they're ready to shoot
Speaker 5: stuff at any moment. And I thought they had just
Speaker 5: so much urgency in so much present tense, and that
Speaker 5: was something I had not seen captured in a documentary
Speaker 5: like that before, and I just it's probably the film
Speaker 5: has had the greatest influence on my own creativity.
Speaker 4: I'd say that is it's an excellent answer.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember watching it and it really enjoying
Speaker 1: it and been kind of quite fascinated mine. It's certainly
Speaker 1: gripping they made Obviously the TV show then the spinoff?
Speaker 4: How did that?
Speaker 1: I quite understand because I like that they caught this
Speaker 1: one thing and then they will they how did that work?
Speaker 5: So the TV show it's so funny because the movie
Speaker 5: is like I think one of the greatest things ever
Speaker 5: great documentary is the TV show is like reality TV, right,
Speaker 5: And the difference is like I think they even say
Speaker 5: something like this at this top of the show where
Speaker 5: they're like, Catfish, the documentary is my story, Catfish, the
Speaker 5: TV show is yours, And so he it's the guy
Speaker 5: from the documentary and another filmmaker finding other people on
Speaker 5: the internet that have had there something that they suspect
Speaker 5: they're being catfished. And they did it for about ten years.
Speaker 5: So it's like hundreds of episodes that are basically identically
Speaker 5: structurally where they just like it's the same thing. They
Speaker 5: meet someone and go, yep, you're probably been catfished. Then
Speaker 5: they meet the person they are being catfished.
Speaker 1: I'm not judging the filmmaker because you know, you make
Speaker 1: something and it's popular and then why not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but has he done anything else?
Speaker 1: Like it just kind of to think that this is
Speaker 1: hamstrung him as far as going there's the Catfish guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, has he made other documentaries?
Speaker 5: So it's interesting because the guy that does the Catfish
Speaker 5: TV show, he's the subject of Catfish and he's the
Speaker 5: brother of the one of the directors of the film.
Speaker 5: So the two directors that made the film have gone
Speaker 5: on to make other films. They did Paranormal Activity three
Speaker 5: and four, which were like using the same kind of
Speaker 5: documentary techniques to make like a found footage movie, and
Speaker 5: I think I'm a big fan of those movies. And
Speaker 5: then they went on to do Zach Efron starring film
Speaker 5: called We Are Your Friends, which is like a DJ movie,
Speaker 5: so they've not gone back to documentary. But then Nive
Speaker 5: who is the subject of that film, he hosts the
Speaker 5: Catfish TV show, so he's not the filmmaker, but he's
Speaker 5: the filmmaker of the TV show, right, So it's a
Speaker 5: very complex low the Catfish universe.
Speaker 1: It's its own multiverse, the Catfish multiverse. Let's not get
Speaker 1: too hung up on.
Speaker 5: I recommend the movie the TV show. You don't need
Speaker 5: to watch the list though, you don't need to go
Speaker 5: in on it. I have watched all you have to.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about this one, Big Deviled. This is not
Speaker 4: Big Devil.
Speaker 1: Sorry, this is not one that I'm immediately familiar with.
Speaker 5: So this is an Australian film from nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 5: and I put this as my favorite because it's one
Speaker 5: of those movies that people don't know about and I
Speaker 5: share a lot because it is by Trassie Moffatt, who
Speaker 5: is an Indigenous filmmaker and photographer, and she has made
Speaker 5: this film that's like a four part anthology ghosts film,
Speaker 5: and it's very surrealistic. It's about like these either Indigenous
Speaker 5: and non Indigenous ghosts in Australia. And it's kind of funny,
Speaker 5: it's kind of spooky, it's very surrealistic. At some points
Speaker 5: it looks like a play. At some points it feels
Speaker 5: like a documentary. It's really really an interesting, beautiful, small
Speaker 5: film and it just looks stunning. It's got one of
Speaker 5: the most unique looks because she's one of those she's
Speaker 5: a really great photographer about like that kind of creates
Speaker 5: like so many interesting, like put together photos. And I
Speaker 5: think with this film, it was so hard to find
Speaker 5: for a long time, and it was one of those
Speaker 5: ones I was like on the hunt for for probably
Speaker 5: like four or five years trying to be able to
Speaker 5: watch this film. And then it has recently gone through
Speaker 5: a bit of resurgence. It plays at film festivals again,
Speaker 5: like on film on print, and now it's on SBS
Speaker 5: on demand currently, and so whenever it's on SPS on demand,
Speaker 5: I always go, well, I got to bring it up
Speaker 5: so people see it. And I always watched it, probably
Speaker 5: end up seeing like once a year now because whenever
Speaker 5: it pops up, I'm like, Okay, I gotta watch this movie.
Speaker 5: Otherwise I never know when I'll get a chance again.
Speaker 1: That is well, I's say, I'm embarrassed and I haven't
Speaker 1: even heard of this.
Speaker 4: This has happened.
Speaker 5: It was beyond air for a long time, like it
Speaker 5: was basically impossible to see it was awake in front
Speaker 5: even kind of not online, fright. Yeah, So it's three
Speaker 5: supernatural ghost stories that are like recounted in this anthology form.
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you who's in it as well, because
Speaker 5: it's got a few people. One of them is Jack Charles.
Speaker 5: Isn't it to greet Jack Charles?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And Lex Marinos. Oh, he's real fun in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great presence on screen. Okay, I'm definitely
Speaker 1: chasing down but devil SBS I'm demand is that webs on.
Speaker 5: The man everyone, If you're listening to it, it's maybe
Speaker 5: your one shot in your life. You have to watch
Speaker 5: this movie.
Speaker 4: You got to take your shot. You got to take
Speaker 4: your shot.
Speaker 1: Listeners to the podcast of this new season may know
Speaker 1: that I'm involved with starting up an app called Sprook,
Speaker 1: which you can get in the app store where you
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Speaker 4: To wear I've moved up in the proje, but haven't
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Speaker 5: and I've been kind of like had a vampire idea
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Speaker 5: all these vampire films and then I was like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I should watch this What We Do in
Speaker 5: the Shadows TV show And I think it's so funny.
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Speaker 5: maybe one season left to go, but I think is
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Speaker 4: The film.
Speaker 1: We are here to talk about the great film from
Speaker 1: ninety ninety Robin Williams Peter were Dead Poets Society.
Speaker 8: Well, I'll read the traditional opening message by Society member
Speaker 8: Henry Deeven.
Speaker 5: I went to the woods because I wanted to live deliberately.
Speaker 4: I wanted to live.
Speaker 5: Deep and suck out all the marrow of life.
Speaker 3: A second that to put to route all that was
Speaker 3: not life, and not when I had come to die,
Speaker 3: discovered that I had not lived.
Speaker 4: We've been hanging out for the last hour before we
Speaker 4: started recording.
Speaker 1: We've avoided the conversation, but I cannot wait to know
Speaker 1: what did you What did you like it?
Speaker 5: I think I liked it. I think I didn't fall
Speaker 5: in love with this movie. I kind of wish I
Speaker 5: had seen it when I was younger, because I think
Speaker 5: I would have been able to identify with those characters
Speaker 5: more with like finding your inspiration for the first time,
Speaker 5: especially like that kind of when you're a young man,
Speaker 5: you've you know, especially you've got those the pressures on
Speaker 5: you to kind of find your path in this world.
Speaker 5: And I think people like you and I that have
Speaker 5: like pursued a creative ambition, we probably would have had
Speaker 5: like teachers, not unlike this, mister Keating, he says, mister Keating.
Speaker 4: Mister Keating, Thank goodness.
Speaker 5: I thought it just made it up, just made up
Speaker 5: a name, like yeah, mister Keating, if you will. But
Speaker 5: you know, we would have had I had the teachers
Speaker 5: like that that inspired me a lot to like pursue
Speaker 5: my creative passions and stuff that meant a lot to
Speaker 5: be that still have like friendships with And I think
Speaker 5: if I had seen that then I would have just
Speaker 5: been like, Wow, that's my freaking life.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 5: But you know, when I watch it now, I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: that's not really my life. I went to a really
Speaker 5: shitty public school. I did not like have like I
Speaker 5: don't even know how to do up a tie on
Speaker 5: my by myself. You know, I haven't worn one in
Speaker 5: a thousand times.
Speaker 1: So I think it's just it's not your life at
Speaker 1: the moment. Ever, reminder everyone that Alexi loves the vampire movies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is my real life.
Speaker 4: He may be a vampire.
Speaker 5: I am a creature of the Nights girl, not unlike
Speaker 5: John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever as well, another kind
Speaker 5: of creature of the Knights.
Speaker 1: Which because I would have seen I think The Breakfast
Speaker 1: Club a few years before this, and and it only
Speaker 1: really occurred to me this morning that this is probably
Speaker 1: a good kind of successor to the Breakfast Club. If
Speaker 1: you're of that age where it's it's like a bit
Speaker 1: of a I went there. It's a higher brow kind
Speaker 1: of you know, so when you are at the next
Speaker 1: step of watching, you know, more adult movies, not those
Speaker 1: kinds of movies.
Speaker 4: So please keep it in the fuse.
Speaker 5: Excuse me, I'm so quite rambunctious today.
Speaker 4: But it felt like a more grown up movie. So
Speaker 4: when I.
Speaker 1: Saw it, or like mature, like a mature yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: And there were concerns from certainly the studio. Well, they
Speaker 1: hated the name Dead Poets Society. And the writer says,
Speaker 1: there's three words you don't want to have in a movie,
Speaker 1: Dead Poets Society. And they try to turn it into
Speaker 1: that Disney try to turn it into a dance dancing movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe that's more at my alley, I guess, Yeah,
Speaker 5: you would have loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to rename. They wanted to rename the
Speaker 1: Sultan of Strut. It was like a suggestion, if.
Speaker 5: I see Solton Strut, I'm like, okay, that's I'm watching immediately,
Speaker 5: the Sultan of Strat.
Speaker 1: It's so funny though, because I I remember thinking, what
Speaker 1: a great name, Dead Poet Society.
Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by that. Peter Weir had the same thought.
Speaker 1: He kind of went, I read the script because of
Speaker 1: the name, and you can't imagine it now with that
Speaker 1: certainly can't imagine there's a Sultan of Strut.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it just it's it's kind.
Speaker 5: Of Peter Weir and Peter Allen. That's my casting for
Speaker 5: the Sultan Atra, but.
Speaker 1: Ap piques the interest, and I think that sometimes what
Speaker 1: you want in a title. Sometimes you see a tole
Speaker 1: of a movie and it's blanned, and you're like, well, because,
Speaker 1: like when you're writing a script, each scene, you're trying
Speaker 1: to ask questions of the audience, and so why not
Speaker 1: start that process with the title of the movie. I
Speaker 1: think sometimes you can ask too many questions where it
Speaker 1: just gets confusing, both when you're writing a scene or
Speaker 1: the title of a movie. I'm sure there are some
Speaker 1: There are some titles of movies where you kind of go,
Speaker 1: I don't think half the audience can pronounce that name.
Speaker 1: So that's going to stop them going up to the
Speaker 1: ticket box office and say, can I have a ticket for?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Where were you in the one putting Schenecticky New York Together?
Speaker 5: You could have saved Charlie Cooff with a few bucks man.
Speaker 4: That's why that's the best thing about ordering online. It's online.
Speaker 1: I can get to those movies now. But it's yes,
Speaker 1: so I and when you said earlier, you said, I
Speaker 1: wish I saw it when I was younger.
Speaker 4: That was my first clue was going to go.
Speaker 1: Okay, you probably haven't had that there's no epiphany going
Speaker 1: on here out like moment.
Speaker 4: But so who was the teacher for you when you.
Speaker 5: Ah, yeah, I had miss Smith my drama teacher.
Speaker 4: Because I had mister Smith. Whoa it was my politics teacher.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, yeah, something in their lineage possibly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And why was miss Smith the one that got
Speaker 4: through to you?
Speaker 5: She she was really really special. She gave us a
Speaker 5: lot of agency as a class, as drama kids, and
Speaker 5: she really like pushed us to like find like meaning
Speaker 5: and stuff, not unlike like I would say, mister keating here.
Speaker 5: I think that she like really kind of helped us
Speaker 5: embrace like finding meaning and finding like the power of
Speaker 5: like artistic expression and stuff. And also like the idea
Speaker 5: of exploration, like actually instilling us like the value of
Speaker 5: exploring texts and exploring stuff and finding the joy in
Speaker 5: like learning about like different types of theater and all
Speaker 5: that stuff. It really really worked. And she was also
Speaker 5: she was a young teacher, so we were like her
Speaker 5: first cohort of students, and we're all still quite close,
Speaker 5: like this group of friends, Like one of my friends
Speaker 5: just got married and she came to the wedding and
Speaker 5: we hadn't seen her for a few years and she
Speaker 5: was just like like holding her hands, like, you guys
Speaker 5: meant so much to me. I was so young, like
Speaker 5: when I had when you were all my students, and
Speaker 5: you know, I still think of everyone and compare them
Speaker 5: to you guys. I go like, whoa, okay, like you
Speaker 5: know you always go like, I guess I probably wasn't
Speaker 5: that special to that teacher. But she was like, no, no,
Speaker 5: you guys are. I promise you guys are. So it's
Speaker 5: really I think it's nice watching this movie now because
Speaker 5: I've recently like kind of reconnected with that teacher and
Speaker 5: I kind of I guess I got some I'm gonna
Speaker 5: cry maybe now talking about this. Maybe I do love
Speaker 5: this movie.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is what often happens.
Speaker 1: We discussed the movie, and because you've only I keep
Speaker 1: pointing it out this podcast is my guess is still
Speaker 1: often still processing a movie.
Speaker 4: So often I'm still grappling. It's happened a.
Speaker 1: Few times where someone's I had in mind, and then
Speaker 1: by the end of the conversation at least they like
Speaker 1: it a bit more. They like it quite a bit more.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I love that. It's a bit
Speaker 1: of a celebration of teachers, and there's one those teachers
Speaker 1: that can connect them and get through to you. My
Speaker 1: mister Smith was who was an act of mister Smith,
Speaker 1: and he was a polity played battle tenor in his head.
Speaker 4: No, he did not go to Washington either, not that
Speaker 4: missus Smith.
Speaker 1: But he he taught me politics in year eleven and twelve,
Speaker 1: and he had a rule which kind of I think
Speaker 1: set me up for my career. He said, at any
Speaker 1: point in the in the class, during the class, you
Speaker 1: can yell out a joke.
Speaker 4: This is to everyone.
Speaker 1: At any point I might be talking, you know whatever,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You can yell out and make a joke.
Speaker 1: But it's got to be funny. It was funny, we
Speaker 1: will laugh. You stay in the class. If it's not,
Speaker 1: you're out.
Speaker 5: WHOA so high risk bombs happening in the class.
Speaker 1: And Jerry Seinfeld talks about this idea of the class
Speaker 1: cloans and those class comedians, and I think with that,
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it in those terms, but I
Speaker 1: did think I'm not necessarily a class clan, but I'm something.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of something in between. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: I was like a class comedian. I knew I knew
Speaker 1: when to go for and when not to it, and
Speaker 1: when the joke was worth yelling out when it wasn't
Speaker 1: quite worth yelling out. Yeah, so all the class class
Speaker 1: got kicked out. I was able to stay in the
Speaker 1: in the class high betting average.
Speaker 4: High betting average. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I had plenty of teachers that kind of
Speaker 1: you know, and I when we shot the last season
Speaker 1: of Had To Stay Married, we shot at my old school.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the actual campus as a new campus, so
Speaker 1: it was a different campus. But but some of the
Speaker 1: teachers were there, yeah, you know who were great to me.
Speaker 1: And you know, Johnny Nichols, if you're listening to the
Speaker 1: mate and he you know, I say, mister Nichols.
Speaker 4: The foot is a mad He's a mad Collingwood supporter.
Speaker 4: So we go really well. So so yeah, it's it's
Speaker 4: It probably.
Speaker 1: Would have been boring if the reason that these students
Speaker 1: got along with mister Keating was the day back for
Speaker 1: the same football team, But that.
Speaker 5: Would be interesting. And I think you should work on
Speaker 5: a remake where it's like, if you want to tell
Speaker 5: a joke, you can do it. It's all about like
Speaker 5: inspiring kids with like the great comedians and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I just like the idea of instead of quoting well,
Speaker 4: women would be like a.
Speaker 1: Good old Collingwood forever. They know how to play the game.
Speaker 1: That's how he gets through.
Speaker 4: But it's a.
Speaker 1: Powerful it's a very powerful thing. And maybe, well there's
Speaker 1: probably two reasons why maybe I still One is obviously
Speaker 1: I watched it at an age where it like it
Speaker 1: got through to me. I watched it a lot because
Speaker 1: we already had we didn't have the access to every
Speaker 1: movie ever made ever, we had our VHS videotape, so
Speaker 1: this was on high rotation.
Speaker 5: You get taken back to your youth when you watch
Speaker 5: this one.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean most movies that the movies that mean
Speaker 1: a lot to me. There's nostalgia is such a powerful
Speaker 1: emotion and state, I think, and I I think I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if it's a post pandemic thing, but I
Speaker 1: feel like there is an people are recognizing that. And
Speaker 1: I think it's ever been reflected in some you know,
Speaker 1: some some TV you know, and and and and film.
Speaker 1: I think there's some more feel good kind of stuff
Speaker 1: going on. I was talking about this the other day
Speaker 1: with somebody. There's a feel good it's kind of it's
Speaker 1: not Ted lassoed, Lao has been Ted Lasto Ship's Creek.
Speaker 1: There's certainly that that's those shows are lent in to
Speaker 1: feel good.
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of shows and stuff where
Speaker 5: people connect to the kindness of the shows. Now, yes,
Speaker 5: and you know that's not every show as has that.
Speaker 5: Not every show should have that exactly right, But I
Speaker 5: think there's like there's people where they want that from
Speaker 5: their comfort watches, which is like some quite warm and kind.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but it it gives you a feeling of
Speaker 1: being in a safe in a safe place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of really does.
Speaker 1: It's got a warm, lovely feeling and this does give
Speaker 1: me that. But also watching it now and I last
Speaker 1: time watched it was I watched it when I had
Speaker 1: Covida for the second time.
Speaker 5: Wow, And I hope it wasn't number three this time
Speaker 5: watching it again, I hope I didn't get you.
Speaker 1: I should have mentioned that before we started the podcast.
Speaker 1: I apologies a LEXI get tested after we finished recording.
Speaker 1: But no, but I watched it so a year or
Speaker 1: so ago, eight months ago, and I hadn't seen it
Speaker 1: for a long time.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I watched this and good morning Vietnam, which
Speaker 1: is another brilliant performance.
Speaker 4: And it really was.
Speaker 1: And I actually had literally because I had had COVI
Speaker 1: was like the first source, you know, the night that
Speaker 1: kind of the COVID kind of kicked it.
Speaker 4: I didn't get it too badly, but what I had was.
Speaker 1: Like the sweats at night and I had like this
Speaker 1: Robin Williams fever a dream and it was like it
Speaker 1: was like I was chatting to Robin Williams and having
Speaker 1: these conversations with Robin Williams.
Speaker 4: It was it was actually quite beautiful.
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't really remember much remember the feeling of
Speaker 1: having those conversations.
Speaker 4: You're too fast from.
Speaker 5: He's doing it.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Peter, And every second joke was about Viagara
Speaker 1: and a little bill.
Speaker 4: But he yeah. So it's hugely nostalgic for me.
Speaker 1: But watching it again, I view it through the eyes
Speaker 1: of a father and seeing it's a very powerful thing
Speaker 1: for me to see. I think, when I see somebody
Speaker 1: getting through and making kids fall in love with the arts,
Speaker 1: really a look bit education is really powerful. And those
Speaker 1: moments where he is making those points, there's a speech
Speaker 1: that he gives about why we love poetry, and you
Speaker 1: see the reactions of the kids, and it's truly pawerfing.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to that same where they get
Speaker 1: into a bit of a huddle and they discuss why
Speaker 1: we actually do love poetry.
Speaker 6: We don't read and write poetry because it's cute. We
Speaker 6: read and write poetry because we are members of the
Speaker 6: human race. And the human race is filled with passion, medicine, law, business, engineering.
Speaker 6: These are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty, romance, love,
Speaker 6: these are what we stay alive for. To quote from whitmen,
Speaker 6: oh me, Oh Life. Of the questions of these recurring
Speaker 6: of the endless trains, of the faithless, of cities filled
Speaker 6: with the foolish, What good amid these?
Speaker 4: Oh me, oh life?
Speaker 6: Answer that you are here, that life exists, and identity,
Speaker 6: that the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute
Speaker 6: a verse, that the powerful play goes on, and you
Speaker 6: may contribute a verse. M what will your verse be?
Speaker 4: Okay, like the answer the question, wow, what will your
Speaker 4: verse be?
Speaker 5: My verse would be probably smoke weed every day man,
Speaker 5: one of my favorite poets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you the I'm not sure if he's name,
Speaker 1: but the Kidder gets up and reads me disinterested kid says,
Speaker 1: the cat sat on the match.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my favorite poets are Snoop Dog again, mister Dre
Speaker 5: or actually doctor I.
Speaker 4: Should say, yeah, please use the great term.
Speaker 5: So sorry, I don't want to make his degrees redne didn't. I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the reacting to that, it's like, and that's
Speaker 1: why when he's funny, when you when we listen to
Speaker 1: these grabs, you know, and obviously watching a movie has
Speaker 1: far better than watching, you know. And then the reason
Speaker 1: is because it's it's not just the lines that have
Speaker 1: been spoken, it's the reacting, you know. And I've been
Speaker 1: thinking a lot recently about that. Movies and you know,
Speaker 1: TV shows are not about necessarily about plot. It's about
Speaker 1: characters reacting the plot, which is amazing. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: in that scene you see you see.
Speaker 4: I think Neil in particular.
Speaker 1: Kind of really take that in and something is shifting
Speaker 1: in him.
Speaker 4: I think it's really powerful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think what you said just there's really poignant
Speaker 5: for me, which is it's not just about plots. And
Speaker 5: I think that's how I approach film as well, is
Speaker 5: like plot is almost like secondary to me. It's all
Speaker 5: about like the artistry coming to get there in like
Speaker 5: the collaboration between people and for me, what I really
Speaker 5: loved most about this movie, I think John Seal, the cinematographer,
Speaker 5: one of the great Australian cinematographers. The way that he
Speaker 5: paints this film I think is just beautiful, Like it's
Speaker 5: so handsome, so warmly lit and so like these beautiful,
Speaker 5: nice brown woods and these kind of like chilly winters,
Speaker 5: but there's all this kind of glowing warmth about it
Speaker 5: as well that I just thought was really really stunning.
Speaker 5: And Peter, we collaborate with some really great cinematographers, but
Speaker 5: I think John Seal he's one of my favorites. Like
Speaker 5: he did Gli John Seal, I think he did do Gallipoli,
Speaker 5: let me double check, but I know that he's like
Speaker 5: the go to collaborator with George Miller, so he just
Speaker 5: did I think it actually his it might be his
Speaker 5: retirement piece was he did three Thousand Years of Longing
Speaker 5: with the great George Miller as well, and he did
Speaker 5: the talented Mister Ripley, mad Max Free Road rain Man
Speaker 5: and Harry Potter and the Philosopher Stone, the English Patient
Speaker 5: Witness as well, and the Hitcher. The Hitcher, I think
Speaker 5: is a really good, weird little horror movie. But I
Speaker 5: think that he's just like one of the great Australian filmmakers,
Speaker 5: John Seal, I think he's just he just really captures magic,
Speaker 5: and especially in films you know, I'm talking about some
Speaker 5: big ones like Mad Max, Free Road and Harry Potter
Speaker 5: where he's like there's literal magic. But I think in
Speaker 5: this one he still kind of captures those same kind
Speaker 5: of like that that warm quality that connects people in
Speaker 5: movies like this as well.
Speaker 1: When I think of Dead Pow Society if only laugh,
Speaker 1: I do think those colors, you know, and it might
Speaker 1: be with the poster, but I think more so it
Speaker 1: is to do with, you know, actually watching the film
Speaker 1: and those those altumn leaves and you know, there's the
Speaker 1: snow when you know that the tragedy happens, and which
Speaker 1: which which was that was supposed to be shot indoors
Speaker 1: and it was snowing, so Peter Weir said, let's let's
Speaker 1: try this outside, but they're losing snow, so they had
Speaker 1: one They had one take that This is where Ethan
Speaker 1: Hawk's character Todd, you know, he breaks down, he's hit hard,
Speaker 1: he seems to be hit the hardest because he was
Speaker 1: a roommate. You gotta argue that the other's new him
Speaker 1: for longer, but it doesn't matter, and then I.
Speaker 5: Will argue it, actually, yeah, the other boys deserve to
Speaker 5: be crying as much as.
Speaker 4: I mean I did.
Speaker 1: I think Charlie or Knox responds by shoving a snowball
Speaker 1: into his mouth, an interesting touch of it. He just vomited,
Speaker 1: so but I yeah, And so he had one take
Speaker 1: to get and knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 5: Ethan Hawk spectacular, spectacular actor.
Speaker 1: I think, so this is his like he did that
Speaker 1: film with River Phoenix, It didn't get much traction before this,
Speaker 1: and he had made a short film, so this is
Speaker 1: his second feature film, but the first one that had
Speaker 1: success in that and he so nobody basically knew him,
Speaker 1: and he knocks it out of the park. I remember
Speaker 1: think for a long time though, because this came out
Speaker 1: they around the same time as Scent of a Woman,
Speaker 1: and Chris O'Donnell played a kind of a similar kind
Speaker 1: of character, and I remember thinking I kind of connect
Speaker 1: both those actors for a long time, and I remember
Speaker 1: thinking for a long time, are they good actors that
Speaker 1: both those performances are great, but are they just playing
Speaker 1: versions of themselves? Like they're quite kind of shy? Are
Speaker 1: they like that he's ating easy? There's what performs to give.
Speaker 5: With something hidden underneath it as well, Like I think
Speaker 5: there's like a lot of brooding hidden underneath those characters,
Speaker 5: and I think Ethan Hawk really captures that.
Speaker 4: And he barely speaks for like the first forty minutes
Speaker 4: or so.
Speaker 5: There's just like a real depth of emotion that he's
Speaker 5: able to capture, like this real sensitivity. And I think
Speaker 5: he has become one of my very favorite actors. And
Speaker 5: I think he also I really really respect him as
Speaker 5: a creative, like he's made it. He's directed a few
Speaker 5: movies as well now, and I think each time of
Speaker 5: I see one of the movies he's directed, I have
Speaker 5: more appreciation for him as a man and as an
Speaker 5: actor as well.
Speaker 4: I completely agree.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think he is a really it's almost
Speaker 5: like he's almost underrated talent. I think, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean in a odd way.
Speaker 1: And it's strange because you've got dead poets, but then
Speaker 1: you got like before Sunrise, you know, with three masterpieces
Speaker 1: later and Julie Delpy and then like Gadika is like
Speaker 1: finally finding I think in the last you know, ten
Speaker 1: or so years Finance audience, it wasn't a big commercial hit,
Speaker 1: but I think people are discovering Gadikha. Yeah, it's great
Speaker 1: training day with Denzel Washington.
Speaker 5: It's amazing training day.
Speaker 4: Boyhood hoood.
Speaker 1: So he does find these projects and he kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think it disappears, you know,
Speaker 1: he disappears into the role.
Speaker 4: And I've heerdly spent quite a few times. I've always
Speaker 4: been really.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he comes off grade in interviews because he kind
Speaker 5: of really proves that he gives like such, he cares
Speaker 5: so much, and I think that is something so commendable,
Speaker 5: like to just be like, yeah, this guy cares so
Speaker 5: much about his craft and like what he does, his
Speaker 5: output as well, the movies that he makes, the projects
Speaker 5: that he does, Like he's quite selective.
Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, yeah, it's right to be still passionate
Speaker 1: after all these years. Is really commendable. And his daughters
Speaker 1: doing great work in Stranger Things, and yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: I think all the all the all the students. Neil Perry,
Speaker 1: the character played by Robert Shawan Leonard is I think
Speaker 1: really just as incredible. And I think they're the two
Speaker 1: kind of the main the students that we're spending time with.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's Robert Sean Leonard. It is quite brilliant.
Speaker 1: I think in this like you feel it's almost like
Speaker 1: a coming out story, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Like I think if it was a if this movie
Speaker 5: were made today, it probably would be.
Speaker 4: I thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: And I wonder, like, even though it's you know, in
Speaker 1: ninety ninety, you know, these kind of coming out stories
Speaker 1: we were being told, But I wonder if it was
Speaker 1: a choice that they made to to not you.
Speaker 5: Know, leave a more subtextual like well.
Speaker 1: Maybe but maybe even like whether it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: part of the you know, the subtext or is it
Speaker 1: was it a decision thinking this could scare Disney Way
Speaker 1: or this could scare you know, so let's just have it.
Speaker 4: But it reads as a coming out story.
Speaker 5: Absolutely because it's all about like the sensitivity because his dad,
Speaker 5: kurtwood Smith is he plays like such a hard man,
Speaker 5: and I think that's the kind of like the main
Speaker 5: key thematic thing in this film is like these are
Speaker 5: the kind of cultural clash between generations of like the
Speaker 5: men that have lost the inspiration in their life as
Speaker 5: they get older, and then the young men that are
Speaker 5: about to find it, and it's about the struggle of
Speaker 5: like to follow that or to lose that, to like
Speaker 5: snuff it out. And I think that the actual scene
Speaker 5: with him and kurtwood Smith, that like that's actual the sequence,
Speaker 5: not just a scene like that like building up of
Speaker 5: scenes that leads to him taking his own life. I
Speaker 5: thought was like magnificent filmmaking, magnificent acting, and there's actually
Speaker 5: was a bit like I've got goosebumps, like and my
Speaker 5: breath was taken a little bit away just with Peter
Speaker 5: Weeeze like sequencing of that I thought was kind of unparalleled,
Speaker 5: where he has this the like you see it all
Speaker 5: building up. You see him like obviously he's looking out
Speaker 5: a window and like he's finding this gun and like
Speaker 5: all this stuff where you're like, oh my gosh, like
Speaker 5: this it feels inevitable. But then the the way that
Speaker 5: the moment actually plays out is it cuts back to
Speaker 5: kurtwood Smith in bed and he just wakes up. You
Speaker 5: haven't heard a sound, he says, I just heard this sound.
Speaker 5: And I thought that was like it's so inspired, like
Speaker 5: I just don't even know how you can even have
Speaker 5: that thought of being like, well, you don't hear a sound,
Speaker 5: but you see a guy waking up because he's heard
Speaker 5: a sound, bes in like that state between like wake
Speaker 5: and sleep where you don't know if the sound exists
Speaker 5: or what it was. And I thought that, like, you know,
Speaker 5: the slow reveal of what has actually happened was just
Speaker 5: it really took me back because I couldn't it's so
Speaker 5: far removed from what the obvious choice is to sequence
Speaker 5: that those moments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was masterful. That shot of
Speaker 4: him walking down the.
Speaker 1: Stairs is amazing, and the tragedy of the father finding him,
Speaker 1: the smoke from a gun, this trickling up from the
Speaker 1: behind the desk, and I think it's such a great
Speaker 1: thing that we don't even see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're behind the desks, cradling beyond it that and
Speaker 5: he's young.
Speaker 4: He's wailing and my son, my son, and.
Speaker 5: The mum's saying stuff like he's going to be okay,
Speaker 5: and it's like he's shot himself in the head. Like
Speaker 5: it's just it's so grim, like it's really really powerfully done,
Speaker 5: very evocative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you kind of think if you're only you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've lost your son. All I wanted to do was act,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's the I mean, that is the
Speaker 1: tragedy of you know, suicide, of the choices that have
Speaker 1: been made that precede it. So yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: extremely powerful, and it's it's so well played by everyone involved.
Speaker 1: I remember, like as that really kind of hit me
Speaker 1: as a and I wasn't in that situation. My parents
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't going to medical school. They were trying
Speaker 1: to make sure I didn't go to medical school.
Speaker 4: It's not for you. Yeah, stick to the art.
Speaker 5: You're cracking some great jokes in missus Smith's class. Why
Speaker 5: don't you pursue that?
Speaker 1: And then we have we have we Have Knocks Over Street,
Speaker 1: And I think that the movies aged quite well.
Speaker 4: Maybe this is a storyline that is a little trickier
Speaker 4: with that getting.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's it's it's interesting now because
Speaker 1: so he falls in love with Chris. I imagine it's
Speaker 1: Christine or Christina based on not much really, based on
Speaker 1: the fact that she's a very attractive blond girl with
Speaker 1: a nice smile, and she seems to have a nice demeanor,
Speaker 1: and it gets to the point where he's invited to
Speaker 1: a party and she's asleep on the couch and he gives.
Speaker 4: Her a kiss. Is it on the forehead? I think
Speaker 4: it is just on the forehead.
Speaker 5: I think so.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: I remember when I watched him as a fifteen year old.
Speaker 1: Then occur to me that you know, but now you're
Speaker 1: going to go, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're freak, brother. It is weird. There's so many
Speaker 5: films and they sat in and Fever is one like
Speaker 5: that as well. But I think it's also like sometimes
Speaker 5: you go back and you play modern context to films
Speaker 5: and it's like maybe they're trying to say something different,
Speaker 5: but maybe they are saying the thing that you're thinking,
Speaker 5: which is like like, yeah, maybe these boys they have
Speaker 5: no female influence in their life. They're away from their mothers,
Speaker 5: they only interact with men. The only mentors are men
Speaker 5: that repress like their sexuality and everything. And I think
Speaker 5: it's like maybe the movie is going like, yeah, look,
Speaker 5: how fucked up this guy is as well. He can't
Speaker 5: even talk to a woman, and he doesn't even see
Speaker 5: her as a person. He sees her as an object
Speaker 5: of his affection and stuff, and so I think it's
Speaker 5: like sometimes you go, well, oh my gosh, this movie
Speaker 5: is wrong, but it's like, well, you don't know, maybe
Speaker 5: the time it wasn't wrong, Like maybe at the time
Speaker 5: was still saying what you're feeling, but you just see
Speaker 5: it as negative and you don't see it as oh,
Speaker 5: this is actually doing what I'm feeling. Like it speaking
Speaker 5: to that.
Speaker 1: I think movies should be allowed to reflect the reality.
Speaker 4: Sometimes of what happens.
Speaker 1: I guess the only thing would be and I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily sign up to the belief that movies are only
Speaker 1: here to teach us. Yes, you know, like we need
Speaker 1: to see bad behavior on screen, we need to see
Speaker 1: people behaving badly and getting it wrong.
Speaker 4: I do like that. I'm pretty sure, and you know, I.
Speaker 1: Feel free to you know, and feel free to write
Speaker 1: anytime he has any he has any podcasts at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com or get on our speak pipe and let
Speaker 1: us know what you thought of that scene. Only of
Speaker 1: the scenes, but I'm pretty sure it's a kiss on
Speaker 1: the on the forehead.
Speaker 4: I'm glad it wasn't. You know.
Speaker 1: There's versions of this where it's it's it's, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot more.
Speaker 5: But when I'm watching, I'm like, yeah, this guy's a
Speaker 5: creep Like, this guy is a creepy and.
Speaker 1: Then and then it kind of goes where he's rocking
Speaker 1: up and kind of enforcing himself in her space, yea,
Speaker 1: with the school and the flowers, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a bit, it's it's and but at
Speaker 1: the time I thought, I certainly thought nothing. I thought
Speaker 1: he's being romantic. And where do you draw the line
Speaker 1: in real life to being pursuing you know, somebody you love?
Speaker 1: And when does it become you know? And I think
Speaker 1: that line is probably we've learned to redefine that line.
Speaker 1: I know with with my wife, we've been married twenty years.
Speaker 1: This year we had a thank you very much, you're
Speaker 1: coming through me. Of course it's just three of us.
Speaker 1: I will officiate the occasion, but we like, we had
Speaker 1: some time off after about a year, my wife and traveling,
Speaker 1: and then we kind of had the we went she
Speaker 1: wasn't going to travel again, so I was kind of
Speaker 1: were in a bit of a holding pattern.
Speaker 4: We didn't know, and I.
Speaker 1: Was in a situation where I thought, do I move
Speaker 1: on with somebody else, or do I you know, or
Speaker 1: do I hang in there, and like I mean, my
Speaker 1: dad saying now you have you know, like don't give up,
Speaker 1: you know, and not in a he wasn't giving me
Speaker 1: ideas of what to do, but like he was almost
Speaker 1: saying be romantic. But you know, which is kind of
Speaker 1: my dad's you know, you know, it's pretty straight up
Speaker 1: and down. So I've never seen him do a lot
Speaker 1: of romantic things with my mum. But you know, I did,
Speaker 1: do you know, I wrote, I wrote a song, you know,
Speaker 1: and got my mat to record it and and played
Speaker 1: it to it and it kind of worked, it kind of,
Speaker 1: And that's not it wasn't the song, just the fact
Speaker 1: that I wrote a song, like there were obviously, you know, feelings,
Speaker 1: and that kind of just was the moment and it works.
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of I'm fascinated with that line.
Speaker 5: I think it's really interesting because films are, to me,
Speaker 5: they don't exist in a vacuum. They are like artifacts
Speaker 5: of the context that they're made in, and I think
Speaker 5: that that is for me, like what makes them interesting
Speaker 5: because it also is you see like societal change and
Speaker 5: you see the changing of attitudes throughout time by like
Speaker 5: the these pieces of art that like speak to those
Speaker 5: moments and stuff. And I think it is interesting when
Speaker 5: you go back and see this because it is like
Speaker 5: probably you know, the intension behind it is quite gentle.
Speaker 5: But then when you see it now with like the
Speaker 5: way that like, you know, even in our lifetimes, the
Speaker 5: way that we talk about like sexuality and the way
Speaker 5: that we talk about consent has changed drastically, even since
Speaker 5: I've become a young like I've come of age, Like
Speaker 5: the conversations that right we have around have changed completely,
Speaker 5: and the way that education works around has changes completely.
Speaker 5: And so it's I think it's really interesting to see
Speaker 5: like those films that their context changes like that, because
Speaker 5: it probably is intended to be like some kind of
Speaker 5: gentle moment and then you watch it and now and
Speaker 5: you're just like, okay, a little bit weird. But I
Speaker 5: think it's like it does speak to those attitudes like
Speaker 5: we're saying of like these these are like concert boys
Speaker 5: that are like crippled by the concern of nature of
Speaker 5: their parents. They don't even know how to fucking interact
Speaker 5: with each other. They don't even know how to express themselves,
Speaker 5: and it comes out in like freaking weird ways.
Speaker 4: In nineteen fifty nine, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Nineteen fifty eight. So it's like, you know, speaking to
Speaker 5: two pieces of like two pieces of history this film.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And for me, the only thing and this
Speaker 1: is not about canceling Pole Society.
Speaker 5: Or you've got to cancel Bitter we and Robin Williams
Speaker 5: and the guys in the scene.
Speaker 1: So it's more I think if you if you just
Speaker 1: kind of you know, acknowledge that if things are, you know,
Speaker 1: how things have changed, I think it makes it a
Speaker 1: more enjoyable experience because you're going to go, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not we.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't do that now, yeah, you know, and that's and.
Speaker 1: You can see the progression and the evolution of mankind
Speaker 1: in a way you're going to go, Okay, yeah, that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, you know, because the only thing I thought
Speaker 1: that was a bit weak about that story was just
Speaker 1: it really did seem that the connection he had was
Speaker 1: the fact that she was energrated, like she didn't outside
Speaker 1: of being an attractive, you know, desirable blonde woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was she really offering him.
Speaker 5: It's also the least interesting storyline in the film because
Speaker 5: I think you're seeing like the way that poetry informs
Speaker 5: these young men into finding their sensitivity and finding their inspiration.
Speaker 5: I think it works more interesting in like that direct
Speaker 5: sense with the the Neil Perry character played by Robert
Speaker 5: Sean Leonard, where it's like him finding his artistic voice
Speaker 5: and wanting to pursue Shakespeare and like wanting to pursue acting,
Speaker 5: and I find that and then also Ethan Hawke just
Speaker 5: like dealing with like this more a morphous thing of
Speaker 5: just like emotion and not really even finding like he's
Speaker 5: his storylineing is so interesting to me because it's so amorphous,
Speaker 5: like it's just like it's just it feels almost so internal.
Speaker 5: And then the other storyline just like where it's to
Speaker 5: me it makes sense on paper where it's like you're
Speaker 5: finding the sensitivity and it's expressed through how you find love.
Speaker 5: But I think it's just the least interesting of those
Speaker 5: because there's something about like it being literal in like
Speaker 5: it being your artistic sense being found. I find quite powerful.
Speaker 5: When it's that mentorship from Robin Williams's character in the film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very good point.
Speaker 1: And yeah it's I say it's five if you take
Speaker 1: Cameron out, who's you know, Yeah, the other guys are.
Speaker 5: Kind of billy there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also there's also Pitts kind of that he's
Speaker 1: a strange So yeah, the five of them, if the
Speaker 1: five of Todd, Neil knocks Charlie and meets they're pretty
Speaker 1: well defined.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Todd is the shy, you know, struggling with his own
Speaker 1: kind of self worth and insecurities.
Speaker 4: Neil has the thing with his father. He wants, he wants.
Speaker 1: To break out and not go down the that the
Speaker 1: part of his father is demanding. Knox is the you know,
Speaker 1: is the nonconformist, a bit of the rebel. Sorry that
Speaker 1: the romance that's Charlie, not just the romantic. And you do,
Speaker 1: I think you do if you're going to make a
Speaker 1: movie about poetry and seizing the day. And obviously these
Speaker 1: guys are being inspired to seize the day.
Speaker 4: And that's why he goes.
Speaker 1: With the flours at the school and the way there
Speaker 1: is Neil, you know, signs up for Midsummer's Night Dream.
Speaker 1: You do you do get a romantic in there, like
Speaker 1: you don't need a romance. So this doesn't feel hatched
Speaker 1: on at all, like sometimes romantic stories are you know,
Speaker 1: to please a certain section of the audience.
Speaker 4: I feel like it is needed. I just think, I
Speaker 4: just think if there.
Speaker 1: Was a scene involving Knox and Christine earlier that where
Speaker 1: we saw the connection and the impact she made on him,
Speaker 1: that would go a long way.
Speaker 5: To next to his inspiration something like that.
Speaker 4: Yes, it kind of felt like he falls in love
Speaker 4: the bond girl. Yeah, you know exactly.
Speaker 5: And in nine fifties many fellows were guilty of that.
Speaker 5: Marilyn Monroe the greatest sex symbol of the era.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So let's have it. Listen to this.
Speaker 1: We'll go back to Ethan Hawk because there is this
Speaker 1: wonderful scene where he finally finds his voice.
Speaker 3: Close him, now, describe what you see.
Speaker 10: I close my eyes, yes, and this image floats beside me,
Speaker 10: sweaty tooth mad man, the sweaty tooth mad man, or
Speaker 10: a stair that pounds my brain.
Speaker 4: That's excellent. Now give him, actually, make him do something.
Speaker 2: His hands me shout and choke me.
Speaker 5: And all the time he's mumbling, what's your mumma?
Speaker 8: Mumbling truth, truth, Like like a blanket that always leaves
Speaker 8: your feet called.
Speaker 4: Forget to forget them, stay with the blanket.
Speaker 8: Tell me about that blanket. You push it, stretch, It'll
Speaker 8: never be enough.
Speaker 2: To kick out and bit it.
Speaker 8: It'll never cover any of us from the moment we
Speaker 8: enter crying to the moment we leave dying. It'll just
Speaker 8: cover your face as you well and cry and scream.
Speaker 4: You forget because I love that last little bit by
Speaker 4: Rob Williams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you ever forget this, because you know, education,
Speaker 1: you educated for you know, twenty years, eighteen years, whatever
Speaker 1: it might be, if if you've got a UNI or
Speaker 1: you know, but sometimes it just comes down to those
Speaker 1: few moments that we remember. Yeah, and we know that
Speaker 1: Todd Anderson remembers that for the rest of his life.
Speaker 5: That's so beautifully port And I think Robin Williams really
Speaker 5: captures something so delicate in this movie. And I think
Speaker 5: it is because he's able to blend the sensitivity with
Speaker 5: humor so well. And was looking at like who the
Speaker 5: other people were. They were like higher up on the
Speaker 5: list for the studio or high up on the list
Speaker 5: for like previous directors or whatever they were attached to
Speaker 5: this film, and it's all people like Mel Gibson or
Speaker 5: Liam Neeson and stuff. And I could kind of see
Speaker 5: something in like maybe there's a softness to their sternness
Speaker 5: those people and there's like a hidden softness to them.
Speaker 5: But I think with Robin Williams, where he like freaking
Speaker 5: oozes that softness and oozes that sensitivity, I think it
Speaker 5: works really nicely having and I can't even I don't
Speaker 5: think this movie becomes special if it's not for him.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 5: I agree, like it might still be a great movie
Speaker 5: with those other actors in it. They will probably be
Speaker 5: fantastic in them, but he is. He's a unique ingredient.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: He arrives on set on the first day of shooting
Speaker 1: and they're shooting a day for one day, then he
Speaker 1: is away for two weeks, and then he's coming back
Speaker 1: to set that finished the rest of the movie, and
Speaker 1: he's quite wooden. And I mentioned earlier that the writer
Speaker 1: was quite concerned because you know, this is Robin Williams
Speaker 1: is a comedic powerhouse, and.
Speaker 5: I think the closest dramatic performance is like probably well
Speaker 5: according to Garp before this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: So he was concerned, and his concerns were not hosed
Speaker 1: down by the fact that the first day he was
Speaker 1: he was quite wooden. And and Peter Weir eventually said, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's just finish up for the day.
Speaker 1: And the writer Tom Schumann went up to him and
Speaker 1: said to Peter will this is you're seeing what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This is not great, and he's not I saw it.
Speaker 1: I saw it. And he says, what are we going
Speaker 1: to do? You guess we've got two weeks to work about.
Speaker 1: So he comes back and he's still a bit wooden.
Speaker 1: So Peter Weir comes in and says to him that,
Speaker 1: Robin Williams, how about they're in the CLIs, what would
Speaker 1: you teach him? You know, what would you what would
Speaker 1: you say to these kids? You know, what would you
Speaker 1: teach them about? And he said, well, maybe Shakespeare. He goes,
Speaker 1: what this, just do a spiel about Shakespeare. So that
Speaker 1: leads to the scene about John Wayne doing Macbeth.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he does his act, a little bit voice.
Speaker 4: He does his act and that that was it.
Speaker 1: That kind of from that moment on, Robin Williams got
Speaker 1: what he had to do. And I think Peter we
Speaker 1: started calling him referring to John Keating as Robin Keating
Speaker 1: because he wanted fifteen percent of Robin Williams in that character.
Speaker 1: And it's so it's so worth it, And like you said,
Speaker 1: I think Tom Hanks may have been in discussion. Maybe
Speaker 1: Tom is one person you can imagine giving a similar
Speaker 1: kind of performance, but not not quite the same performance.
Speaker 1: He's unique, and of course this this becomes almost stuff
Speaker 1: of legend that he becomes, you know, he does. He
Speaker 1: probably doesn't get good Will Huntings and you know other
Speaker 1: films like that Awakenings without this film. And then Jim
Speaker 1: Carey basically spends a lot of time basically.
Speaker 4: He gets Peter Weir.
Speaker 1: He's looking for this project where Peter Wee can turn
Speaker 1: him from the ace ventur and the mask into something
Speaker 1: like Robin Williams, you know, second half of his career
Speaker 1: and the Truman Show.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't think I've ever thought about that
Speaker 5: comparison before between this and Truman Show. That that's like
Speaker 5: the comedians seeking to find like the greater depth in them.
Speaker 5: I'd never thought of that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it became a big thing for comic
Speaker 1: actors to kind of go, Okay, what's my I need
Speaker 1: to get a serious role going here, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible. Let's have listen to the scene. Of course,
Speaker 1: the entry of Rob Williams is really I love it.
Speaker 1: In the script, it's actually Robin Williams standing by a
Speaker 1: lake as all the students rock up for the first
Speaker 1: day of semester all the year, and he's just soft
Speaker 1: wearing like a black cloak, and he's a bit mysterious
Speaker 1: and he kind of just turns around and from a
Speaker 1: distance though, that's that's fine, that sounds fine. But this
Speaker 1: entrance is much better, where the students fall into the
Speaker 1: class he he comes out from backstage, have a backstage
Speaker 1: area for the teacher's there, and he's he's this whistling
Speaker 1: and he just arms beyond his back and he just
Speaker 1: walks out of the classroom and he takes him out
Speaker 1: to the honor the honor room, I guess with all
Speaker 1: the photos and he delivers the whole I won't play
Speaker 1: the whole scene, but there's this is I guess the
Speaker 1: Cafe DM bit.
Speaker 4: They're not that different from you.
Speaker 5: Are the.
Speaker 3: Same haircuts, full of hormones, just like you, Invincible, just
Speaker 3: like you.
Speaker 11: Feel the world is their oyster.
Speaker 3: They believe they're destined for great things, just like many
Speaker 3: of you. Their eyes are full of hope, just like
Speaker 3: you did.
Speaker 6: They wait until it was too late, to make from
Speaker 6: their lives even one ioda of what they were capable,
Speaker 6: because you see, gentlemen, these boys are now fertilizing daffodils.
Speaker 6: If you listen real close, you can hear them whisper
Speaker 6: their legacy to you.
Speaker 3: Go and lean in, listen hear it.
Speaker 8: Ah m hm, oh.
Speaker 5: Garbage, seize the.
Speaker 10: Daymos, make your lives extraordinary.
Speaker 1: I do love this thing because when you're watching it,
Speaker 1: obviously your class up on these, you know, all the
Speaker 1: photographs of your school photos, and the voice of Rob
Speaker 1: Williams does that. The whispering is perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Listening to it, then I was like, wow, that's actually
Speaker 5: a really funny choice, like to just go like, yeah,
Speaker 5: these are old, dead guys, Like, it's very funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I imagine he knew exactly know Peter Wee
Speaker 1: has instructed me exactly what that shot would be. But
Speaker 1: it's yeah, the first day and the connections made, and
Speaker 1: they do a good job of setting up the other
Speaker 1: teachers of being stuffy and old, and you know that
Speaker 1: this is a breath of fresh air, and he kind
Speaker 1: of instantly connects to not all of the all of
Speaker 1: the class. And we'll get to the ends very soon,
Speaker 1: but our main characters he gets to there is some
Speaker 1: foreshadowing of the fact the Cameron's not quite on board.
Speaker 1: When you got Neil and Knox and Charlie kind of
Speaker 1: like nodding at each other and kind of going, this
Speaker 1: is a bit different. And then you have you got
Speaker 1: the Cameron who doesn't quite get it. He's not quite
Speaker 1: on board, which I thought was interesting. Let's just talk
Speaker 1: about Charlie for a second. He is the I guess,
Speaker 1: the rebel, the nonconformists.
Speaker 4: He's the one who prints the.
Speaker 1: Article in the paper saying that they're demanding girls at
Speaker 1: the school. He brings girls into the Dead Poets Society.
Speaker 1: One of the girls is the debut, the screen debut
Speaker 1: of Melaura Waters Lawya Waters is if you haven't seen Magnolia,
Speaker 1: see it, and she gives one of the all time
Speaker 1: great extraordinary performances in a movie that's swimming with extraordinary performances.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Julian Moore is starting at ten inventing numbers at
Speaker 5: a certain point in that movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's one of the girls who comes in. But
Speaker 1: Charlie then plays his prank where he gets they want
Speaker 1: to know who printed the article. Everyone's worried they're going
Speaker 1: to find out about the dead Put Society, and he
Speaker 1: has this goes to a bit of effort because gets
Speaker 1: a landline, and I also have the landline's recalling who's
Speaker 1: calling it. But he takes a phone call from God
Speaker 1: and then gets basically belted. And I'm not sure why
Speaker 1: he gets He gets out to a student position, and
Speaker 1: I'm not sure because he's he's almost doesn't mind if.
Speaker 4: He gets kicked out. He doesn't really want to be there.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure why you would assume a position if
Speaker 1: what's going to do you a position? Maybe he likes it, well,
Speaker 1: maybe he hasn't, like maybe New Wander does. But and
Speaker 1: then what I thought was really fascinating and like kind
Speaker 1: of full of nuance was the Keating's response, because you
Speaker 1: expect Keating be you know, he's told in the season
Speaker 1: day this is his way of season. The day you
Speaker 1: got you got Knocks, going for the romance, you got
Speaker 1: Neil going for his drama. Todd's still working it out.
Speaker 1: This is his way of season the day. Surely Keating's
Speaker 1: going to be on board. But I thought this is
Speaker 1: a really kind of nuanced piece of writing and performance
Speaker 1: in the saying.
Speaker 3: Mister keating, mister Dolben with a pretty lame stunt you
Speaker 3: pulled today.
Speaker 11: You're siding with mister Nolan.
Speaker 8: What about carpet dim is sucking all the marrior out
Speaker 8: of life?
Speaker 4: Something the marrow out of life. It doesn't mean choking
Speaker 4: on the bone.
Speaker 3: See, there's a time for daring and there's a time
Speaker 3: for caution, and a wise man understands what it's called for.
Speaker 4: But I thought you'd like that.
Speaker 3: You being expelled from school is not daring. To me,
Speaker 3: it's stupid because you'll miss some golden opportunities like what
Speaker 3: like if nothing else, the opportunity to attend my classes?
Speaker 4: Got it?
Speaker 11: Ace Hi, I captain, keep your head about you. That
Speaker 11: goes for a lot of you, Captain, phone call from God.
Speaker 11: If it had been collect it would have been daring.
Speaker 4: It's a great button, that last line.
Speaker 1: But it feels like that is the way you would
Speaker 1: That would probably play out in real life, but the
Speaker 1: movie version seems like he would somehow be more supportive,
Speaker 1: and where I love that he was, it's more nuanced.
Speaker 5: It's like the necessary lesson to seize the day, because
Speaker 5: like you just need to know when to seize the day,
Speaker 5: rather than it'd be like this catch all and I
Speaker 5: think it's what makes it more interesting. And it's something
Speaker 5: that I actually didn't expect from this movie. I thought
Speaker 5: it would not. I thought it would see the day
Speaker 5: would be a catch all phrase. But to find like
Speaker 5: that there is nuance within that, I thought, Okay, that's
Speaker 5: quite that's nice writing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would love to know when they were
Speaker 1: he was writing that and with notes, whether that was
Speaker 1: I imagine you know, some notes could have come back
Speaker 1: and go, is this confusing the audience? Hang on because
Speaker 1: it's like you said, it shouldn't be a catch all thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: sees the day? You know, No, this is this is
Speaker 1: there's a lesson here And as I said, there's a
Speaker 1: nuances which were not used to nuance in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: It's just quite thoughtful, quite thoughtful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's get to the end.
Speaker 1: So they get to the point where they get found
Speaker 1: out and Cameron rats on on Keating. This is obviously
Speaker 1: following the tragedy of Neil and they're basically forced or
Speaker 1: pressured into signing this thing. What did you think was
Speaker 1: going to happen? But did you did you have an
Speaker 1: ending in mind?
Speaker 5: I honestly thought there would be more tragedy. I actually
Speaker 5: thought something really bad was going to happen to Robin Williams.
Speaker 5: I don't know why, Like it's just he loses his job, right,
Speaker 5: like that's but I thought that there would be I
Speaker 5: don't know, almost like a more like a sacrificial something
Speaker 5: from him. I don't even know what I mean, but
Speaker 5: it was just like one of.
Speaker 4: The original in the original draft, I think he got lukemia.
Speaker 5: See. I think that's maybe where I felt like it
Speaker 5: was heading or something like that, like he was like,
Speaker 5: but you know, he passed away and we can still
Speaker 5: continue his legacy and like bring it into our lives.
Speaker 5: I kind of thought that might be all happened, and
Speaker 5: I prefer that it didn't happen. I like it that
Speaker 5: it feels more like the way real life can feel
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that it's not this massive, massive thing
Speaker 1: because I'm watching a guy. Okay, so you know, like
Speaker 1: they've they've got keating, let me kicked down. How do
Speaker 1: you make this an upbeat film and give hope? Which
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like this movie doesn't work if
Speaker 1: you don't have some hope.
Speaker 4: How do you get that right, so you don't over
Speaker 4: you know, you.
Speaker 1: Don't gloss it too much, put too much gloss on it,
Speaker 1: but there needs to be that little bit of hope.
Speaker 1: And I thought they did an extraordinary job because you know,
Speaker 1: we've had this character Todd who's been hard to get
Speaker 1: through and hard to connect with, and he finally finds
Speaker 1: his voice, and yeah, I think it's it's it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to when Keating comes back in
Speaker 1: the principal is he's now taking the class. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's great that he's wanting to get back to
Speaker 1: the book that they've ripped all the pages out, and
Speaker 1: Keating comes back to get his belongings and as he's
Speaker 1: walking out is when Todd finds his voice.
Speaker 2: Mister Keating, they made everybody.
Speaker 5: You got to believe me.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 2: I do believe you to leave, mister Keating.
Speaker 9: But it wasn't Miss Anderson, one more hard person from
Speaker 9: you or anyone else.
Speaker 2: And you're out of this school leader, mister Keating.
Speaker 9: I said to leave you, mister Keating, captain, my captain,
Speaker 9: he said, go, mister Anderson. You hear me, Sit down,
Speaker 9: sit go, This is don't final warning Henderson.
Speaker 2: Out gay you hear me?
Speaker 10: You cut to my captain, mister Street, I want you
Speaker 10: sit down, YO said, down all of you.
Speaker 2: I want you to see it. Sit down, mister kitty,
Speaker 2: Oh now I want to see it. Can you hear me? Swelling?
Speaker 1: The swelling is incredible? Is it a little bit more
Speaker 1: that will play in the second. But the composer was
Speaker 1: Maurice jar and it's fantastic.
Speaker 4: I do love.
Speaker 5: One.
Speaker 1: It plays with the angle of looking at life, their
Speaker 1: standing on the desk and looking at this from a
Speaker 1: different point of view.
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful lesson. But I also love and not
Speaker 4: everybody stood up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't uniformly everyone stands up if a Cameron stays down,
Speaker 1: which apparently that was the actor's choice. He refused to
Speaker 1: stand up because he said he said the character wouldn't
Speaker 1: stand up, and I think and Peter will be agreed
Speaker 1: with him. But when you're shooting on film and you
Speaker 1: don't stand up, you know it's a choice of made.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the director, it's Preston permanent at that point,
Speaker 1: but he's the one who has betrays her. He'll be
Speaker 1: feeling his own sense of guilt and he was never
Speaker 1: quite on board the keeping express, So I'm glad.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of glad he didn't stand up.
Speaker 1: I love that the guy, the cat he said on
Speaker 1: the back guy eventually said, yeah, these guys are right.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I also love the teacher just been like, sit down,
Speaker 5: sit down. It's like it's so funny, like in these
Speaker 5: types of movies where it's like they're still defiantly against
Speaker 5: the students uprising and stuff, and I think it's so
Speaker 5: funny just see them getting flustered and flamming.
Speaker 1: Happen if they stand on their desk eright, extra minute? Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly how long is Keating in the state to stand
Speaker 1: on their desk for? It's not been televised exactly. I
Speaker 1: think that's what this should have been. We should have
Speaker 1: seen another four more minutes of like, okay, well what
Speaker 1: happens is this? What does this guy do next? Does
Speaker 1: Keating walk out of their room?
Speaker 5: What goes on? Do they how do they get back
Speaker 5: on their seats? What goes on there?
Speaker 4: Don't even fall off the desk. You've got to go
Speaker 4: with the allergies.
Speaker 5: There's a guy that gets like a little bit of
Speaker 5: verdigo because they're slightly too high for him up there.
Speaker 1: And then there's this beautiful shot of Rob Williams and
Speaker 1: it's kind of been used a lot since he tragically
Speaker 1: passed away, and it's kind of been almost every kind
Speaker 1: of highlight real you see Robin Williams. It kind of
Speaker 1: ends with this beautiful and then you know they could
Speaker 1: have they could have overwritten it, but it's quite simple,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: It's it's perfect for me, that ending.
Speaker 1: And then you just had a shot of Todd almost
Speaker 1: from the angle that he would have been seeing Todd
Speaker 1: at Yah. You know, now Todd seems like it almost
Speaker 1: look like a giant, like he becomes a man, he
Speaker 1: becomes a man, he becomes himself. Yeah, it's quite beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's like it could have been. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: like to say they make films that they used to,
Speaker 1: because in many ways they make better films. And you know,
Speaker 1: we've had an USCO winner this year that you know,
Speaker 1: it was one of the most original, mind bending films,
Speaker 1: but with heart and a great message. But sometimes there's
Speaker 1: something about the simplicity of some movies and they know
Speaker 1: how to end them. They don't have to put too
Speaker 1: much sugar mayonnaise at the end. They don't have to
Speaker 1: then have my mum's a bit of a bandit for
Speaker 1: a going. Oh but I want to know what happened next?
Speaker 4: Where did he go? I would from the desk? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I did love the idea of how long did they
Speaker 4: stand on the desk?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And I would love to know what happens next to
Speaker 5: mister Key's life. I imagine he becomes a bachelor in
Speaker 5: New York City or something like that.
Speaker 4: This hits the coke massively, that's it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well, you know, the nineteen sixties are coming around.
Speaker 5: Maybe becomes a beatnick of some kind.
Speaker 4: I think he went to Vietnam DJ okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: See, we've got to restructure the Williams. The Williams ubra
Speaker 5: a three.
Speaker 1: Story Adrian cronou and there rest is history, some quick
Speaker 1: fun facts before we finish up. I've really loved having
Speaker 1: this chat, Peter. We shot this in chronological well the
Speaker 1: best capture the growing connection between Williams or Keating and
Speaker 1: the students. Robin Williams has actually gone through a divorce
Speaker 1: at the time, so may explain why he may have
Speaker 1: racked up on that first day and been a bit
Speaker 1: wooden't in all these lines was prepared, but just he
Speaker 1: didn't have the juice.
Speaker 4: Didn't have the juice going. So yes, Ethan Hawk thought.
Speaker 1: Peter Weirs spoke funny because it was the first Australian
Speaker 1: he'd ever met.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, so god, I hope I'm the last Izzie
Speaker 5: he meets.
Speaker 1: And Matt Damon and Ben Affleck have been on the
Speaker 1: record to say they auditioned for unspecified roles.
Speaker 4: It's interesting they later worked together in Goodwill Hunting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, have you ever seen there's another movie? This reminded
Speaker 5: me a lot of that only saw for the first
Speaker 5: time quite recently as well. You know, it's probably a
Speaker 5: lesser version of this, but school Ties with Brendan Fraser
Speaker 5: and Matt Damon, lots of other young actors Winn, Brendan Fraser, Yeah,
Speaker 5: oscarin and Brendan Fraser. Of course he did win for
Speaker 5: the Mummy.
Speaker 4: But finally finally justice.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's it.
Speaker 4: He was od.
Speaker 5: It was an olde oscar An Oscar in lou If
Speaker 5: you will. But have you ever seen that one?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: I don't think I have.
Speaker 5: It's a really weird one. It's written by Dick Wolf
Speaker 5: like the Law and Order guy and it's just before
Speaker 5: just as Law and Order is like kicking around, like
Speaker 5: just as it's starting. And it also it's a kind
Speaker 5: of different movie because it's only really about the boys,
Speaker 5: but it's still that same setting of like Upper Echelon's
Speaker 5: elite boys boarding school, but Brendan Fraser is a Jewish
Speaker 5: student who is like hiding his heritage from like the
Speaker 5: other students because of like the anti semitism around them
Speaker 5: in like the same era in nineteen fifties. It's more
Speaker 5: almost like like an issue movie that they would have
Speaker 5: had in like the fifties and sixties, like those Stanley
Speaker 5: Kramer type things like guess Who's coming to dinner and
Speaker 5: like those kind of things. It feels more like that.
Speaker 5: But that film as well, it's got it's really interest
Speaker 5: because there's moments where it feels like, as I think
Speaker 5: this movie is much better post Society on paper, it's
Speaker 5: much better, but School Tires has got like there's moments
Speaker 5: where it just truly feels like a movie from the
Speaker 5: nineteen fifties.
Speaker 4: Was this one?
Speaker 5: I don't think it ever really does. Like it still
Speaker 5: feels like it's made with like all the technique of
Speaker 5: the times. It's made in, but School Tires are something
Speaker 5: about its weird. It's got I think he might have
Speaker 5: Ben affleck in as well, but I know it's got
Speaker 5: Matt Damon. It's like he plays a little rat fucking
Speaker 5: it like they're real nasty. I think he's one of
Speaker 5: the great rats at cinema. Matt Damon, School Tires. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna put that on my list. Another spruit. I appreciate that,
Speaker 5: another spruit getting the word out. But let me tell
Speaker 5: you that's not a must watch. It's just kind of
Speaker 5: interesting to compare it to this film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe on Spruit we need to have a little
Speaker 1: another little sub subfolder of like this.
Speaker 6: Is not like.
Speaker 5: Everyone there's a musty three star film.
Speaker 1: You know, Peter, we're supposed to make Green Card, and
Speaker 1: he didn't make Green Card in the end, but it
Speaker 1: was delay because Gerard Depaju had visa issues.
Speaker 5: Yeahses holy Ship, and so the the studio said why
Speaker 5: don't you direct the film in between his deput society.
Speaker 5: I do really like Green Card. It's a weird little movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I never kind of never kind of spoke to
Speaker 4: me that one. A'm I saying.
Speaker 1: Dustin Hoffman was attached to director Star and director at
Speaker 1: this stage Jael Gibson. Earlier Bill Murray. They spoke to him.
Speaker 1: Tim Allen actually said no, bad move, bad move to well.
Speaker 5: Not for history. Thank goodness, he did say no.
Speaker 1: And this is actually this may make you sick, but
Speaker 1: this is this draft or the draft that Tom Shulman,
Speaker 1: the writer sent to the studio was his first draft,
Speaker 1: which is not recommended.
Speaker 4: And it did change and did you go through quite
Speaker 4: a few changes. But it's interesting that it was the.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's pretty bold, yeah, really bold, And everyone was
Speaker 1: put off because of poetry and you know, there's no, it's.
Speaker 5: Not I guess it's not exciting for like the a
Speaker 5: student of ay has finally got a poetry movie and.
Speaker 4: You don't know that Rob Wooms are going to come
Speaker 4: in and Robin Williams in that role.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I just clicked Tom Shulman, what a
Speaker 5: weird filmography. Do you know what else he's written? Give
Speaker 5: us it, honey, I shrunk the kids? What about Bob
Speaker 5: holy Man, the Eddie Murphy movie, Welcome to Mooseport, the
Speaker 5: final film of Gene Hackman, and a movie I just
Speaker 5: watched recently that is a bad movie. Eight heads in
Speaker 5: a douffle Bag, the Joe Peshi movie, where would you
Speaker 5: believe He's got eight heads in a duffle bag traveling
Speaker 5: on an aeroplane.
Speaker 4: I've heard of that movie, I've never actually seen it.
Speaker 5: Well, let me tell this another not must recommend from me.
Speaker 4: That's really interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, anybody gets a movie made,
Speaker 1: and you know that's an achievement in itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so Google hunting seems to be the absolute.
Speaker 5: Oh well, he directed a Heads and duffle Bag as well.
Speaker 5: What would you do if a guest on your podcast said, yeah,
Speaker 5: the movie I'm not seen and I've always wanted to
Speaker 5: his eight heads in a duffel bag?
Speaker 4: I would say, is it a classic?
Speaker 6: Bough?
Speaker 4: Is it a classic? I'm not sure. It feels like
Speaker 4: a different podcast.
Speaker 1: I would direct them to my sister podcast, The Ladies
Speaker 1: Got a dude cinemat Beck and.
Speaker 4: The Alex take care of that one. Dude. Only that
Speaker 4: dude's always talking about eight He.
Speaker 5: Did you see as and duffle Bag?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Their heads were so cool.
Speaker 1: And finally quite an interesting little you know, little multi
Speaker 1: verseing going on here, mister Perry kirkwood Smith wants Neil
Speaker 1: to be a doctor in the In the In the
Speaker 1: Neil played by Robert Shawan Leonard ends up playing a
Speaker 1: doctor in House MD and Neil, but Dix Charlie is
Speaker 1: going to be a lawyer and Just Charles plays a
Speaker 1: lawyer in.
Speaker 5: It's The The Good One, The Good Wife. Yeah, fine house.
Speaker 1: So there you go, Alexi. This podcast comes with homework.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you turning up for it. Watching doing
Speaker 1: your homework and.
Speaker 5: Well, mister Kidding inspired me. I shall always do my
Speaker 5: whole work for.
Speaker 4: Now on and I cannot wait to do eight Heads
Speaker 4: in the Duffle Bag with you.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's going to happen one day.
Speaker 1: It's going to happen. But you're a legend. Keep doing
Speaker 1: great work. We can see you on the weekly. We
Speaker 1: cannot wait to see what you do after Finding Jesus,
Speaker 1: which is a massive success. If you haven't seen, I
Speaker 1: mentioned it in the intro. But if you haven't seen
Speaker 1: Finding Jesus, go and check that out. It's the third
Speaker 1: of your Finding episodes, after Finding Drago and Finding Gasparados,
Speaker 1: the one with your great mate Cameron James former Yasny
Speaker 1: guest as well.
Speaker 4: We be parentaled together it was a fun episode.
Speaker 5: I love that movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great movie, great movie. But yeah, keep it up, mate,
Speaker 1: And before we wrap up, I do need to ask you.
Speaker 1: You came in going, yeah, you like them movie, But
Speaker 1: do you like it anymore?
Speaker 4: After chat?
Speaker 6: Do?
Speaker 5: Of course I do, my Lord, I feel inspired by
Speaker 5: it now. It's a very very sweet, lovely movie. It's
Speaker 5: hard not to like it. It is, and I tried
Speaker 5: my best not to. No, it's it's really really I
Speaker 5: feel an emotional connection to it.
Speaker 4: Now, well, let's go live our lives, to stand on
Speaker 4: some desks and books.
Speaker 5: Well, now they have your permission, I may stand.
Speaker 4: Hopefully see you back here for you, Like I said.
Speaker 5: Eight heads, eight heads, and where could they be situated?
Speaker 5: Of course in a duffle bag.
Speaker 4: Thanks mate, Thank you, Thank you, captain. Captain. He's a joy.
Speaker 4: Alexi Toleopolis.
Speaker 1: I have really enjoyed because when we did the first
Speaker 1: time I met Alexi was actually when we recorded that episode.
Speaker 1: It was last season or a couple of seasons ago,
Speaker 1: the Rocky Horror Picture Show, and that was the first
Speaker 1: time we had met. We met on Zoom, so we've
Speaker 1: been we've kind of met a few times since then,
Speaker 1: but not a lot. But I feel very comfortable with Alexi,
Speaker 1: and like I said, he's a joy a lot of
Speaker 1: things I said in the intro, He's articulate and bloody smart,
Speaker 1: loves loves film like a really unfiltered lover film. Like
Speaker 1: afterwards and I'm recording this, he's left the studio and
Speaker 1: he had some luggages heading to the airport, and he
Speaker 1: had like a box of DVD's Blue Red Dvdsy he's
Speaker 1: a collector.
Speaker 4: He likes, he likes the ownership, and good on him.
Speaker 1: But that was that was a lot of fun I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed, and I like this happens quite a bit
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Yeah, he liked Dead Parts Society, but
Speaker 1: then after an hour of chatting with me about it,
Speaker 1: liked it a little bit more.
Speaker 9: So I like that.
Speaker 6: I do like that.
Speaker 1: One thing I didn't mention, actually, when I mentioned that
Speaker 1: the film was shot chronologically, was this meant that when
Speaker 1: Robert Shawn Leonard's character Neil dies hit a weir, he
Speaker 1: was so strict on the chronological order and actually kind
Speaker 1: of keeping things as real as he could be.
Speaker 4: He wasn't allowed on set after that moment. That was
Speaker 4: how serious he too.
Speaker 1: He took that, and yeah, you might also see some
Speaker 1: foreshadowing when Robin Williams talks to the class and there's
Speaker 1: a line that he says, he mentions shrivel up, turn cold,
Speaker 1: that we all shrivel up, we have food for worms.
Speaker 4: Eventually we will all shrivel up, turn cold and die.
Speaker 4: The shot is on Neil.
Speaker 1: And also if you go back and listen to it,
Speaker 1: I'll give you guys a bit of home and go
Speaker 1: back and listen to the poem that they read at
Speaker 1: the start of the part society meeting, and that's actually
Speaker 1: in the malgam of the the same poet, but different
Speaker 1: from different parts of the poem. There might even be
Speaker 1: like another work that has gone into it, so it's
Speaker 1: not one collective poem, but it fits perfectly. And when
Speaker 1: we realize Neil's fate, if you actually read the poem again,
Speaker 1: it adds to the tragedy. So yeah, something to keep
Speaker 1: a night. If you haven't watched a movie, well there's
Speaker 1: a fair some spoilers in there for you. Thank you
Speaker 1: to everyone who reaches out to us here you ain't
Speaker 1: see nothing yet. You can reach us on the email
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Speaker 4: So we would really.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that from you guys. But I really appreciate everything
Speaker 1: that you guys give to the show and the community
Speaker 1: that we are building. I've got something here here I
Speaker 1: would like to have a little read. And this is
Speaker 1: referring to an episode from last year. This is from
Speaker 1: Smegley on the Apple review site. They had to listen
Speaker 1: to an Older and an Older app and Kat Stewart
Speaker 1: and Midnight Cowboy.
Speaker 4: That was episode one of series five. I loved that.
Speaker 1: It was the first time I'd seen Midnight Cowboy as well,
Speaker 1: So thank you Schmglee and Schmedgley says, great listen. I
Speaker 1: just love the sound of her voice. One of the
Speaker 1: great actors in the strange showbiz history. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: it in ages and has inspired me to have another.
Speaker 4: Look. Hey, I'm watching here.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 1: Smeglee, I see what you've done, and that was totally improvised.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Kim up the good workpeat. You two are
Speaker 1: a star chees well.
Speaker 4: Thank you. That is very that's very kind.
Speaker 1: We also have one from Connections and Conversations that it
Speaker 1: gives five stars. Thank you as Aedish Megley, Thank you
Speaker 1: Peter and Darren. In regards to Darren Hayes episode, which
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite episodes, he did sing it
Speaker 1: in the rain. It was an extraordinary episode. In fact,
Speaker 1: he might be right at the top of the tree.
Speaker 1: Wonderful insights and personal story shared. And Pete, I hope
Speaker 1: you've recovered from your childhood trauma of losing your mother
Speaker 1: at the shopping center laughing emoji. I was thinking, I
Speaker 1: wonder if he means like literally lost to her for
Speaker 1: a few moments.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen an episode, watch it and you'll
Speaker 1: know what we're referring to here. We watched a film now.
Speaker 1: I certainly hope you enjoyed it, so thank you. Thank
Speaker 1: you to everyone reaching out. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Okay, next week it's a good one.
Speaker 1: There are good ones, obviously, But next week on the show,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited by this. Well excited, it's probably the
Speaker 1: wrong word, because this is a very different episode of
Speaker 1: You Ain't Nothing Yet. My very good friend. You might
Speaker 1: know him with his he plays around with Tama Shenani
Speaker 1: a lot. You would know him from the stage the screen.
Speaker 1: You might know him from his wonderful podcast Imperfects. It's
Speaker 1: Ryan Shelton, and Ryan nominated the film that we need
Speaker 1: to cover. But it's going to be tricky. The film
Speaker 1: is nineteen ninety three's Shindless List. It's tricky because it's
Speaker 1: a traumatic film. I have seen it about half a
Speaker 1: dozen times. I think it's an extraordinary film, certainly film
Speaker 1: that everybody should watch at least once. So if you
Speaker 1: haven't watched it, this may be the perfect episode to
Speaker 1: get you to finally sit down and watch it. Ryan
Speaker 1: will be doing that for the first time. He does
Speaker 1: so with interrepidation. He is Jewish, he has history, family
Speaker 1: history with this moment in time. It's not going to
Speaker 1: be the easiest lighthearted episode Ye Nothing Yet episode. Ever,
Speaker 1: it'll be different. It'll be interesting and we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens so next week and you ain't see nothing yet
Speaker 1: my great mate Ryan Shelton with shameless list until then,
Speaker 1: take care, and so we leave old Pete save fan salt,
Speaker 1: and to our friends of the radio audience, we've been
Speaker 1: a pleasant good night