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Speaker 1: It's a special Will and Woody podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mini Today's are You OK Day? Guys.

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Speaker 1: It is the day where you are encouraged to ask

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Speaker 1: the people around you, your friends, your family, your colleagues.

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Speaker 2: Particularly Gee Whiz.

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Speaker 1: Particularly in the last couple of years we've made here

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Speaker 1: in Australia, there could not be a more important time.

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Speaker 1: We know how stressful and under dures our mental and

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Speaker 1: our mental health care systems.

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Speaker 2: Are right now just trying to look after people.

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Speaker 1: Lifeline calls through the roof, Beyond Blue calls through the

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Speaker 1: roof people, So you cannot get in to see a

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Speaker 1: psychologist right now.

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Speaker 2: We rely on each other to check in with each other.

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Speaker 1: That is the only way through this epidemic that we

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Speaker 1: are struggling with mental health. So today's really critical, guys,

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Speaker 1: And there's a whole bunch of advice out there. If

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Speaker 1: you want to learn more about it, headle onto the

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Speaker 1: Ruokday website or their Twitter. They've got great instructions there. Alternatively,

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Speaker 1: if you need to speak to someone today, call Lifeline

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Speaker 1: on thirteen eleven fourteen. But would you and I have

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Speaker 1: been talking about this a lot on air for a

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Speaker 1: long time. I get depressions, so it's obviously a big

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Speaker 1: part of my life. You're a big part of that,

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Speaker 1: and we've had to navigate our way through it for

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Speaker 1: the last three or four years. I spoke with a

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Speaker 1: guy called Roman Kemp recently. This guy, by the way,

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Speaker 1: this guy hosts the number one breakfast radio show in

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Speaker 1: the UK. He's Martin Kemp's son from Spandau Ballet. He's

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Speaker 1: George Michael's godson.

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Speaker 2: So it was a big deal. He had a really,

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Speaker 2: really big deal.

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Speaker 1: But he recently had a documentary on the BBC called

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Speaker 1: Our Silent Killer because his radio producer in the UK suicide.

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Speaker 1: It was one of his best friends and he was

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Speaker 1: totally totally at sea with it. As a result, he

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Speaker 1: got depressed. He explores all of that, and in this

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Speaker 1: interview that you're about to hear on are uok Day,

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Speaker 1: I think he gives the best advice I have ever

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Speaker 1: heard on how to ask somebody if they are okay.

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Speaker 2: It's called the two okay rule and you'll hear it

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Speaker 2: here with my chat with Roman camp Havelist. Guys.

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Speaker 1: So, Roman, the documentary Our Silent Witness is out mate,

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Speaker 1: absolutely huge. Congratulations. I just wanted to really ask you

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Speaker 1: what at the end of the day. You've obviously interviewed

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Speaker 1: people over the course of a whole year. You've got

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Speaker 1: a Primetimes on the BBC. What was the number one

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Speaker 1: like take home point about mates helping each other effectively

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Speaker 1: stay alive and battle this this epidemic that is suicide

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Speaker 1: at the moment.

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Speaker 3: The thing that you know, I slowly realized when kind

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Speaker 3: of making this documentary is how much, you know, the

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Speaker 3: onus has to come away from the person that is

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Speaker 3: suffering and it has to go on to the person

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Speaker 3: around them.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's I realized quickly that I was making a documentary

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Speaker 3: about friendship and I wasn't necessarily making a documentary about

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Speaker 3: if you're struggling, why you should talk? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: and it goes back to that same kind of I

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Speaker 3: guess a line, but it does really sum it up

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Speaker 3: for me in terms of, you know what, I want

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Speaker 3: people to be the hero to their friends that I

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Speaker 3: felt like I genuinely wasn't to mine.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, no, absolutely, I think that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: And I know for a fact that you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: having Woody with me, then that's I have a chance

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Speaker 1: to have somebody who's a hero to me. And I

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Speaker 1: give him that opportunit which I know that you know

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Speaker 1: he relishes as well, which is which is really massive.

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Speaker 2: So that's a message for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Give give, Give your friends the Cape, give them a

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Speaker 1: chance to be your hero, and it can only make

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Speaker 1: your friendship better. But speaking strictly about what we're dealing

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Speaker 1: with here, I know we can almost in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways simplify the problem by talking about reaching out

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Speaker 1: to friends and how they can help you. But at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, professional help is

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Speaker 1: really where we probably want to direct people after we've

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Speaker 1: had that initial conversation. And I know that while you

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Speaker 1: were making the documentary Our Silent Witness on the BBC

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Speaker 1: that you found some pretty alarming stats just with the

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Speaker 1: way that in particular men interpret depression and why that

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Speaker 1: leads to suicide.

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Speaker 3: Within the UK, seventy percent of men that take their

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Speaker 3: own life do not deem themselves as struggling in any

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Speaker 2: Kidding and no, they they're not.

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Speaker 3: Not seeking any help. They're not seeking any help. They're

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Speaker 3: not they're not at all aware of their own depression.

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Speaker 3: They see it as a means to an end. So

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Speaker 3: there's actually there's actually studies going on. Now, Ye're trying

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Speaker 3: to figure out is suicide even a mental health thing

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Speaker 3: or is it just a way that men are viewing

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Speaker 3: you know, a problem?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 3: And how to end it? You know, only only twelve percent,

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Speaker 3: only twelve percent of men that go to see therapists

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Speaker 3: or taken to depressons, or are actively seeking to help

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Speaker 3: their row mental health will end up taking their own life.

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Speaker 3: That's within within men that do it.

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Speaker 1: Wow. That is truly Yeah, that's an alarming stat that's

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Speaker 1: pretty hard for everyone to wrap their heads around. Again,

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Speaker 1: If any of this he's rattling you in any way

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Speaker 1: or making you feel like you need to talk to someone,

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Speaker 1: please contact Lifeline. On thirteen eleven fourteen, it is are

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Speaker 1: you Okay? To I've got Roman camp with me. He

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Speaker 1: is the national radio host of Capital of Him's radio

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Speaker 1: breakfast show over in the UK and Roman, you just

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Speaker 1: release you're just catching up to this chat now. Rome

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Speaker 1: released this massive documentary on the BBC called Our Silent Killer,

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Speaker 1: which was just huge after one of his producers on

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Speaker 1: his show took his own life. Roman, the final thing

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about was this brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Are you okay?

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Speaker 1: Or two times okay message that you've been spreading, which

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Speaker 1: is asking the same question twice, can you talk to

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Speaker 1: me a little bit more about that? And I think

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Speaker 1: this is honestly one of the best things I've ever

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Speaker 1: heard when it comes to chats around people's mental health

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Speaker 1: and how to actually speak to other people when you

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Speaker 1: are asking them if they're okay.

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Speaker 3: I met up with a group of lads from reading

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Speaker 3: just outside of London, and they had lost their best

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Speaker 3: friend to suicide, and it was only twenty one years old.

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Speaker 3: And I spoke to them and I said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think my first question was does it get any easier?

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Speaker 3: Hoping for them to say to me, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it will get fine, you know all that type of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Does that kind of go away? And they were honest

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Speaker 3: they said no, they said not at all, like you

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Speaker 3: always you're always going to be upset about it. And

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Speaker 3: I said, well, what do you do to kind of

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Speaker 3: look out for each other? You know, yeah, suicide effects

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty people around them. How do you

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Speaker 3: how do you safeguard each other? And they go, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: we've got a rule between between us and you know,

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Speaker 3: we'll text, you know, are you okay? And then you

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Speaker 3: let you wait for that first answer, and then you

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Speaker 3: send the same text again and you know, you say

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Speaker 3: are you okay? Yeah, you know, or they'll say it

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Speaker 3: in person. Why is it that the first question that

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Speaker 3: should be the most important question in a conversation yes

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Speaker 3: with your mate just gets battered away. You know, you go, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're right right, yeah, anyway football last night? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: but realistically that that's the most important important part of

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Speaker 3: the convo. So I said to them, I was like, lad,

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Speaker 3: I don't I hope you don't mind, but I'm absolutely

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Speaker 3: going to take that and We're going to run with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because because I love it. I think I think it's genius.

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Speaker 2: Got a good chat with Ryman.

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Speaker 1: If you miss it, you can get on the podcast

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Speaker 1: Will and what do wherever you get your podcast today

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Speaker 1: is are you okay?

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Speaker 2: Day? And maybe try that.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to ask somebody if they are okay

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Speaker 1: when you get home, asked them twice, because the first one,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're going to better way, particularly if they're guy,

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Speaker 1: they're going to say they're absolutely fine. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the footy. Ask him again, peel back the layer, have

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Speaker 1: a look at what's underneath there, and you could actually

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Speaker 1: save their life, which is extraordinary that you can do

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Speaker 1: that with just the power of asking two questions. Hear

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Speaker 1: more of the boys on the Full Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: You know you want to