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Speaker 1: This is the Will and Woody podcast.

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Speaker 2: Towards you and I had a very very very funny

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Speaker 2: chat with a guy called James Donald Forbes McCann the

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Speaker 2: other day. Yes, he called the show fascinate, one of

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Speaker 2: the greatest podcast premises I think I've ever heard.

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Speaker 3: Have a listen to this, James.

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Speaker 4: Donald Forbes McCann.

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Speaker 5: The podcast is called the James Donald.

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Speaker 4: Forbes McCann Catamaran Plan.

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Speaker 3: It's not bad.

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Speaker 6: What sort of stuff are you going to be doing

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Speaker 6: on the podcast to get your boat or your catamaran?

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Speaker 5: James, mate, Patreon, subscribe advertising.

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Speaker 4: Look, I need clout. That's a big part of it.

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Speaker 3: If you have me on there, hit me on your show,

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Speaker 3: get up some drum, up some advertising.

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Speaker 2: The next week he's officially on the show, Jason.

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Speaker 7: Gentlemen, is so good to be here. Thank you so

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Speaker 7: much for having me on. It's an honor, it's a blessing.

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Speaker 7: I'm so happy to be here. Getting that clout, grown

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Speaker 7: that podcast, getting that boat money. How's it going so badly?

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Speaker 7: I mean, the podcast is great, but financially not easier

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Speaker 7: to make money in this environment. Have you seen how

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Speaker 7: much butter costs?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 7: It's like a million dollars. I took my son away

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Speaker 7: to pay for my bills. I'm begging from the come

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Speaker 7: back home. They said they've got him in the poorhouse

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Speaker 7: until I can. So we're working hard on the boat money.

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Speaker 4: So's sorry.

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Speaker 6: What's the most recent thing you've done to try and

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Speaker 6: make that sweet cash.

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Speaker 7: I'm glad you asked. I've written a book of poems.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, always into poetry.

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Speaker 7: No, I can't stand it personally, don't like reading it,

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Speaker 7: never liked it in school. But Marlon Brando nine to

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Speaker 7: eleven beautiful poems that everybody will love.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's what the book's called.

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Speaker 7: It's just a disease I have. Or I say, that's spontaneous.

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Speaker 4: I've got it in front of me.

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Speaker 3: Why is it called Marlon branded.

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Speaker 4: That's a great question. You know.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes we don't even understand our own. Isn't that part

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Speaker 7: of the beauty of poetry? Of course, may not even

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Speaker 7: have spell.

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Speaker 4: Checked some of this.

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Speaker 3: You don't know what it means?

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Speaker 7: Well, no, I tell you what I tell you. Nine

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Speaker 7: to eleven is a pivotal moment in the world. But

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Speaker 7: not just like in terms of there were some buildings

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Speaker 7: there and then they weren't. I think Some things are

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Speaker 7: nine to eleven and some things are nine ten. It

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Speaker 7: changed everything. You ever see a commercial from the nineties

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Speaker 7: set in a burger king or a Hungry Jacks.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 7: Elvis Presley on the wall. Juke boxes, big lovely cushions

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Speaker 7: of plastic. You go to a Hungry Jacks recently, it's

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Speaker 7: like going to a Soviet death camp up in there.

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Speaker 7: It's gray and cold and brittle. This is the world

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Speaker 7: they have us living in post nine to eleven.

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Speaker 4: Shift.

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Speaker 7: Do you ever see the old Batman where he's dancing

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Speaker 7: and it's sold primary colors. Now they got this new

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Speaker 7: Batman and he's crying. I'm talking about his feelings.

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Speaker 4: It's wrong. It is wrong. I used to draw on

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Speaker 4: his nipples. That's nice hot.

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Speaker 3: That was not the turning point for that.

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Speaker 7: Words hard because some things were nine to eleven before

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Speaker 7: night eleven. You know, like Marlon Brando, You go back

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Speaker 7: and you watch a movie. Marlon Brando was in Lord,

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Speaker 7: He's right now, and then something's now a pre nine eleven.

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Speaker 7: Don't ask me to come up with examples, but I'll

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Speaker 7: give you one. You don't like Friends. The TV show

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Speaker 7: Friends said to me is the ultimate because nine eleven happened.

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Speaker 7: They didn't even acknowledge that it had happened. What it

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Speaker 7: was set in New York City, That show was going

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Speaker 7: from the year two thousand over to the year two

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Speaker 7: thousand and two. They had a whole two thousand and

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Speaker 7: b roll and took the Twin Towers out. Being one

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Speaker 7: hundred percent series, there is no nine to eleven episode

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Speaker 7: of Friends.

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Speaker 4: Don't you think they would have noticed? I would have noticed.

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Speaker 3: That's unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: That's the sort of thing that opens minds. In Marlon

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Speaker 7: Brando nine to eleven beautiful poems that everybody will love.

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Speaker 4: That now on Amazon because.

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Speaker 3: I heard it.

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Speaker 2: It is the number one selling book on Amazon in

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Speaker 2: poetry is.

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Speaker 4: It's a very low bar. Who have you beaten? Who

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Speaker 4: have you beaten?

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Speaker 7: A lady with an Instagram account? Not many the poetry selling. No,

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Speaker 7: I'm happy, you know, because every bit of money for

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Speaker 7: the listen. I'm a poor, humble, suburban father of two

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Speaker 7: almost three. You know, we've just had to move house

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Speaker 7: again because the landlord kicked us out. So I got

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Speaker 7: to make this money to buy this boat so my

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Speaker 7: family have some security, you know, that's hound secure security.

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Speaker 7: I don't know when this country is getting invaded. Take

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Speaker 7: that family on that get out of town. I think

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Speaker 7: there's some better than the housing market. You know absolutely,

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Speaker 7: How is sure?

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Speaker 3: That's so true? Houses fluctuating stuff. You've got a boat, the.

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Speaker 7: Sea is always and you can escape. Oh I have

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Speaker 7: to you know, Oh my goodness, this housing situation. These kids,

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Speaker 7: I mean, I got to and how many kids? Now

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Speaker 7: one of you has a child.

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Speaker 4: This is correct, I've got a child.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's go to a song. I want to talk

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Speaker 3: about this more with you.

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Speaker 2: Next, I want to get we want to talk a

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Speaker 2: little bit more parents break Believe.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: With James don Force.

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Speaker 2: The came right next to Catamaran Plan. Download the podcast

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Speaker 2: forever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Get that man a boat. He's going to stay with us.

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Speaker 3: Up next to the.

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Speaker 1: Shitio with James John on Forbes.

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Speaker 2: If you can, it's gonna he's got a podcast, James

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Speaker 2: on Falls If you can, the catamaran Plan.

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Speaker 7: That's it's one of the worst names for a podcast

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Speaker 7: to google.

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Speaker 2: But the names on the tin, the names on the tin,

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Speaker 2: because you had a plan to get a catamaran through the.

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Speaker 7: Podcast and we're working on it. We're going to get there.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to move my family on that boat. You know,

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Speaker 7: we're going to have security.

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Speaker 2: So we were talking kids just before, James. Yes, I've

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Speaker 2: I've had a kid.

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Speaker 4: How old your kid?

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Speaker 3: She's four months old?

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Speaker 4: That's brutal.

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Speaker 7: You would have just had you'd have smiles now, which

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Speaker 7: would be good smiles.

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Speaker 3: Had a giggle yesterday, first giggle yesterday.

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Speaker 4: How was the mental health doing? Whisper? Just churn them out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, got a third on the way, don't you.

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Speaker 7: Yes, we do say that now, do you? Christmas? And

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Speaker 7: they just keep chopping them out of my wife.

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Speaker 4: I got them.

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Speaker 7: I got a big head and I got the only

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Speaker 7: narrow hips sam Owen as my wife. And these babies

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Speaker 7: cannot come out naturally. But we love it. You know,

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Speaker 7: we're having a great time. And I'm sure and you

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Speaker 7: have a baby cooming?

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Speaker 4: Is this correct? Yes, I'm sure that's going to go well. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the delivery room, don't go I hate this.

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Speaker 7: I've been there in the delivery room both times, both

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Speaker 7: emergencies is arian sections, get blood all over your shoes,

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Speaker 7: terrifying stuff. No, single topic the trip is spoken about

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Speaker 7: on radio. Let me tell you you've seen the things

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Speaker 7: that go on there in the birthing suite. I mean

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Speaker 7: it does take a toll on the mental health.

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Speaker 4: Drama.

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Speaker 7: Everybody talks about how hard it is for the woman.

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Speaker 7: No one talks about how hard it is for the man.

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Speaker 7: You get nurses are seeing how the wife is doing.

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Speaker 7: After hour six of labor, no one comes over and says, sir,

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Speaker 7: are you hungry? Did you want to cup a soup?

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Speaker 7: Can we do anything for you?

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Speaker 3: In the sandwiches for you?

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Speaker 7: You had to go and get them yourself.

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Speaker 4: But you're going to be fine. You're going to be great.

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Speaker 4: You be parents in advice when the baby, when we

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Speaker 7: That in the don't expect parents to respect you because

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Speaker 7: nice three children. You go all these people are making

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Speaker 7: fun of me. My parents have been attacking me for years.

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Speaker 7: When you're gonna have a child, when's that going to happen?

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Speaker 7: You finally have a child. Yes, Then you start getting

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Speaker 7: look down on by people with two kids, and they go,

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Speaker 7: I have children, and people go to try five. I

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Speaker 7: Someone's over there going five. I got sixty three thousand.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me.

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Speaker 7: That's a silly plass to take it. I apologize, no

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Speaker 7: say congratulations to both of you, and ambracing father, because

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Speaker 7: it's easy for men, you know, to put that off

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Speaker 7: you know, honey, no, I don't want not yet. Let's

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Speaker 7: get the house, let's get the car, Let's get a poodle,

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Speaker 7: Let's get a second poodle. And to take the plunge

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Speaker 7: literally into your wife and to give them a child

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Speaker 7: is a beautiful thing. And I want to say congratulations

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Speaker 7: to both. I hope you have many more children. You

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Speaker 7: have a beautiful experience, and I hope you it's so

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Speaker 7: hard having a small child's tough.

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Speaker 3: It's tough. It's a big change.

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Speaker 4: It's bad.

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Speaker 7: No one tells me about. But it gets better every

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Speaker 7: single day.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a really good point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's actually and the curve is interesting as well,

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Speaker 2: like it's quite a it's quite a steep in terms

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Speaker 2: of if we're going to map how bad it gets.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's intense bad early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no it's good, and then it's intense bad

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Speaker 2: and then you're right, it gets better every day.

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Speaker 4: And then you go have a sleep regression.

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Speaker 7: Yeah that's bad. And then they can talk and then

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Speaker 7: it's good again. Yeah, and they can say nasty things

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Speaker 4: Then they're teenagers and they're selling crack.

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Speaker 7: That's very bad.

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Speaker 4: The cat around it give be a successful business.

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Speaker 7: You know, if the book of poems doesn't go well,

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Speaker 7: I will look to shipping drugs out of the boat.

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Speaker 7: I even just thought about. I mean cigarettes. I don't

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Speaker 7: smoke anymore. I had to quit because the price of

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Speaker 4: You could have some real snake lovers out there.

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Speaker 6: There's a market, that's a business.

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Speaker 4: And you're a real snake lover.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you're whittling it right down there. You

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Speaker 6: Sure, And then if you tell those snake lovers, I'm

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Speaker 4: Or zoo zoos. It's an attraction. What is We've got

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Speaker 2: Good I mean, the reason snakes don't have legs in

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Speaker 4: Off with your legs, yes, yeah, punishment, So punishment.

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Speaker 4: Which do you feel the most sorry for?

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Speaker 4: My first thought animal lover over.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for starfish just attached themselves to Leo DiCaprio's yacht.

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Speaker 3: Starfish move, right, Holidays, starfish move. Yeah, they just kind

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Speaker 3: Shocking life. They can't see anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, that's shocking stuff. What about this bees?

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Speaker 4: As soon as I sting, I die? Can you like

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Speaker 2: In the bee Wheel, you'd have people that'll be posters

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Speaker 3: Don't get in a fight. Don't do it to yourself.

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Speaker 3: The risks are too high.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anxiety horrific.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that actually would be really scary. They they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just to be avoiding all hazards. No rock

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Speaker 4: You know how if you surprise a bee or something

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Speaker 2: Wards thirty one or six five? Which animal do you

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Speaker 6: Oh, they are very intelligent. Yes, they've got hands, they've

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Speaker 2: So intelligent I dare say that they would look at

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Speaker 3: Of the apex predator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, giving them prisoner hope.

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Speaker 3: Chimps.

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Speaker 2: No, they look at us and be like, hey, screw you.

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Speaker 4: In Planet of the Ape.

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Speaker 6: Do they ever get to the realization, though, that this

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Speaker 4: I haven't watched all of the power.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't get it doesn't get that because if that

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Speaker 4: Did they go I prefer just eat. No, no, well

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Speaker 6: Let's go to beg here on thirty one six five

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Speaker 6: And also it just feels like there's no one there

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Speaker 3: You've never seen and you're at it.

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Speaker 4: They're at work constantly, don't get paid. Yeah, horrific. Let's

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Speaker 4: that'd be a good little Disney movie. I reckon it's

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Speaker 3: Movie called Ants.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Bella. I didn't want a six five?

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Speaker 2: A bug's life also comes to mind. Good though good

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Speaker 3: Which animal do you feel my so for?

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Speaker 6: I feel sorry for the ibis.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're great.

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Speaker 1: We really wants to be known as bin chicken.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know what a being chicken was still

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't make that. I wouldn't make that assertion.

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Speaker 6: We've covered ourselves. Well, all right, I feel sorry for toadfish.

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Speaker 2: Toadfish, the ones that were puff it's a puffer fish, right, fish.

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Speaker 4: Yes, fun fact.

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Speaker 6: If someone dies, If someone gets poisoned, the chef then

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Speaker 3: They're different.

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Speaker 4: We'll stop with the pufferfish.

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Speaker 3: Then carry your fun facts.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, with a pufferfish if if someone is poisoned

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Speaker 6: some if someone dies fu gou is what they call

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Speaker 3: Because he had a because you didn't cut it properly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it takes it takes ten years for it

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Speaker 4: It takes ten years to train up to it. If

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Speaker 6: They stuff it up though, I wouldn't think super commonly

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Japanese for that matter.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry is a documentary. They're there for you

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Speaker 4: Let's go to kate here six five k What what

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Speaker 4: animal do you feels sorry for?

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Speaker 3: It's got to be a pig, yeah, the big sorry

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Speaker 4: No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: They're so delicious Oh.

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Speaker 4: But they're so pigs, super intelligent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and hence they know that they're in a cage

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Speaker 6: Yeah, how could his bacon? Yeah yeah, that's that evil

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Speaker 6: boy inside your head. Yeah, I can't make a movie

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Speaker 4: Will and Woody the Will and Woody Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Now I want to tell you the story because my

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Speaker 3: Groupt, Yeah, which is a.

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00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,959
Speaker 2: Thing that it's actually a pretty phenomenal initiative really. So

450
00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,880
Speaker 2: when you have a baby, the government consigns you to a.

451
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,600
Speaker 3: Maternal child health nurse.

452
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,560
Speaker 2: Which is like the like their sheriff, like their their

453
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,720
Speaker 2: nurse sheriff and you and it's run through your council

454
00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,719
Speaker 2: and you go and meet this person every like two

455
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,479
Speaker 2: or three weeks after you have a baby, and they

456
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,120
Speaker 2: check on them and they ask you questions and it's

457
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,199
Speaker 2: a reference point. And then after I think it's like

458
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,160
Speaker 2: ten weeks or something, you have your first mother's group,

459
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 2: so all all the women sort of get to talk

460
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,800
Speaker 2: about what they've been going through and how tough and

461
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,359
Speaker 2: I think it's a scary prospect, well, certainly for Sem

462
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,160
Speaker 2: my partner's crippling social anxiety.

463
00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,840
Speaker 3: It's just groups of people with us nightmare.

464
00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,600
Speaker 4: In comparison, right.

465
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,280
Speaker 6: I think the best way those groups can work is

466
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,879
Speaker 6: if it's like, hey, this has gone badly for me,

467
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,160
Speaker 6: I hope that normal life.

468
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that's the idea they all share

469
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 2: and and the Maternal Child healthness runs it and gets

470
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 2: them to talk at different times.

471
00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you introduce your baby, which is good. Of course,

472
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,400
Speaker 3: you don't just throw them in a room and lock

473
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:20,760
Speaker 3: the door.

474
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:21,480
Speaker 4: That's what I thought.

475
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,639
Speaker 2: I thought that as well, to be honest, the maternal

476
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 2: child health nurse sits there and she conducts the conversation.

477
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, so SEM's terrified of group meetings, and she

478
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,400
Speaker 2: was particularly anxious about going to this.

479
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,119
Speaker 3: Thing, and you have to go.

480
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,439
Speaker 2: I think you kind of do ye. I don't know

481
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 2: if it's like, you know, they're not going to come

482
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 2: and arrest you if you don't go, But I think

483
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,320
Speaker 2: it's it's a good thing to do. Like Mele who

484
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 2: produces the three PM pickup, was telling me that, you know,

485
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 2: she you can meet a lot of women she knows

486
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 2: meet best like friends for life, because you'll have babies

487
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,159
Speaker 2: at the same time and you all live in the

488
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 2: same area. Yeah, sure, it's like, right, why the bloody hell

489
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't we hang out. I'm going to see a lot

490
00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: more of you.

491
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,640
Speaker 3: Of course, you know I said that to you could

492
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 3: meet friends with these people.

493
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 2: So she's absolutely freak them out for this thing, very

494
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,199
Speaker 2: socially anxious. Anyway, they came to sim and she was like,

495
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 2: keep in mind the duchess. She's Dutch, so English is

496
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 2: the second language, and she doesn't have a lot of contrasts,

497
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 2: Like she doesn't hang out with a lot of people

498
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,159
Speaker 2: outside of me and maybe two or three other people,

499
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 2: so she doesn't get a lot of She finds it

500
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,239
Speaker 2: hard to translate things sometimes, and often that means that

501
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 2: she will resort to expressions that I will use and

502
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 2: she doesn't know whether they're how appropriate they are in circumstances.

503
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 4: She always says like she's always like a bit of

504
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 4: chicken for the boys, like, yeah, because that's what excuse me,

505
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 4: the boys. And she's like, you know, a bit of

506
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 4: chicken for the boys. And I was like, I don't know.

507
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 3: What you're talking about.

508
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 2: So she just because she absorbs all of my expressions. Yeah,

509
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 2: So occasionally she'll say things like that, yeah, to sleep

510
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 2: for the boys.

511
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hilarious.

512
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very funny.

513
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: Exempt in this scenario, so she rocks up to mother's

514
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 2: group group strangers sitting around her, and they're asking how

515
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 2: Max was. And one of the other women said, our babies

516
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 2: had a lot of cramp recently. And Sam was like,

517
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 2: oh great, I can empathize with you. Max has been

518
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 2: cramping a lot recently. And the girl was like, oh,

519
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: oh really really and.

520
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: Sam s and Sim said she's wearing a mask.

521
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 2: They'll have to wear masks. Sam goes, oh, no, but

522
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: I'll do it her voice because she talks.

523
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: She talks funny.

524
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 2: She goes, yes, but last week it cleared, it cleared,

525
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: the cramp cleared.

526
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: And they were like, oh, that's good.

527
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 2: And then Sam said, and now and now she's just

528
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: shoting the house down, and they didn't hear her because

529
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: it's in her mask. They were like, oh, she couldn't

530
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: have said, you know, your child's well.

531
00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: They just didn't.

532
00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 4: They didn't work.

533
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 3: Sure, they hurt them, butternal child Healthness was like, so

534
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: what did you say?

535
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 2: And Sam pulled her mask back and just goes, well,

536
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: now she's shipting that house. O my god. Anyway, and

537
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: there was like a couple of polite laughs, and then

538
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: it was like.

539
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: She came home and was like, is.

540
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 4: This not a common expression?

541
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 3: I don't think she's going to go next week.

542
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, you and I were talking about

543
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: Reese Witherspoon and Ryan Phelipe's son whose homeschooled.

544
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: So we had a home graduation.

545
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 4: Remember it, well, yeah, the story or sorry, memory of

546
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 4: an elephant.

547
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Anyway, I couldn't help thinking because it

548
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 2: was they was like, oh, how cute is this?

549
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: It was cute?

550
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 6: Embarrassing, Yeah, I went too hard. Ryan dressed up as

551
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 6: a teacher and then.

552
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,719
Speaker 2: They posted it as well, yeah that's for me, like

553
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: that poor kid. It just reminded me of how embarrassing

554
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: it was when your parents came up with an alternative.

555
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: To the real deal.

556
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.

557
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: There's nothing more embarrassing than knowing what all the other

558
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: kids would be doing and then your mum and dad

559
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: getting inventive with something that was an equivalent to it.

560
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 4: It was like a Halloween at school.

561
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: Every day for me was costume days, costume days.

562
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 6: Amount of times I just had a sheet put on

563
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 6: my yeah, bloody hell. Moments of the old guys the

564
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 6: same sheet last year.

565
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, come, we just go to the costume shop.

566
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 4: Exactly how much is it?

567
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 3: It's cheap as well.

568
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 2: You actually I remember you telling me you had a

569
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: horror incident with a Peter Pan kid.

570
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 4: That's quite traumatic.

571
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think I'm trying to remember what the

572
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 6: dress up was for me to dress up as Peter Pan.

573
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 4: It might have been book week, you know, where you

574
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 4: dressed up as your favorite book character.

575
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 6: Anyway, I my Peter Pan, or mum's interpretation of Peter Pan,

576
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 6: was me just with some of her stockings on.

577
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 4: And a green T shirt and makeup.

578
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 6: I don't recall Peter Pan ever wearing makeup, So I

579
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 6: just rocked up as like just quite a gender fluid.

580
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't even know, but effectively I

581
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 4: was teased aggressively.

582
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: You wearing green tights because he wore green tights that

583
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: even green you just wear your mums.

584
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 4: I was literally wearing mum's stockings, a green T shirt

585
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 4: and makeup.

586
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you had to go home after that?

587
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah I did. I started crying.

588
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 6: I was, and then my makeup was running, which was

589
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 6: the worst makeup. I'm trying to think of in the

590
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 6: mum's head what she thought. I think she was trying

591
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 6: to make me look younger because Peter Pan was a kid,

592
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 6: but I was all.

593
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: He wore tights, but they were green tights. MA makeups questionable.

594
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 4: I think she probably looked at me and goes, this

595
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 4: is a good n't give it a makeup.

596
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's a prime example.

597
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: But then as I started to think about it, more like,

598
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: there were so many things that I it's funny because

599
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: in the past, like if I had l a ice

600
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: instead of a coke, I'd be mortified. My parents got

601
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: me Pumic shoes instead of Nike. You're out of our shoes,

602
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: I'd be mortified. Oh, actually, my mom used to get

603
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: me New Balance, way before New Balance were anywhere near cool.

604
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: Oh they're super cool now though, did you they were.

605
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: Awful back in the day. Did you ever wear like

606
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 3: little boats on your feet? Yeah?

607
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're very dorky, very New Balance.

608
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 6: Did you ever when you're playing sport wear tights or

609
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 6: compression skins?

610
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: Skins?

611
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 6: Okay, so all the AFL players and ours were wearing

612
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 6: skins skins. My parents got me hiking hiking Long John's,

613
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 6: so I went to football.

614
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 4: Striping underpants, the hikers striping. You know, thermals. Yeah, I

615
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: went to football training in thermals, so.

616
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 6: I was like and also thermals are so thin, so

617
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 6: you could just see what I was working with.

618
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: Didn't wear shorts and that's what the we're doing.

619
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 6: That's what the footballers we're doing. They'd been tights with

620
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 6: no shorts. So there are always in my thermals sopping wet.

621
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: Because makeup running everywhere.

622
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, check the makeup on me again.

623
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: Man, it's well and woody Woods, you've got to be

624
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: in your bonnet.

625
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: I checkmated you on air the other day. You did.

626
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 6: If I found out that mim message one of my

627
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 6: best friends behind my back, and then I knew that

628
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 6: the friend was now talking to me, I would be

629
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 6: a chance, I think, to be angry at min.

630
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then it would happen after you had a

631
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: conversation with her.

632
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 4: Oh you're there, bloody hell checkmate.

633
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: Well it's really just before we go on with this.

634
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: The point I was trying to make was within the

635
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: acronym I was using with how to treat your partner

636
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: if you think that they're going through a mental health

637
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: struggle yes, the acronym is soft soft. The F in

638
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: that was friends, which is a lot of the time if,

639
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 2: particularly with guys, particularly in hetersexual relationships, you are struggling

640
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 2: to connect with the guy he will because it's not

641
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: sexy to admit that you're struggling or you're vulnerable, and

642
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: the stoic sense of a man. Women often find it

643
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: hard to connect with them. Well, that's what my girlfriends

644
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: tell me.

645
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: So I sell friends.

646
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: Sure, I've got bach man.

647
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 4: You really are adopting the Dutch life style.

648
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: Like mates and mine, who are chicks who date my

649
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: male friends. They say that the F means go and

650
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: talk to their friends, say to their friends, I can't

651
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: connect with them as blokes. Maybe you've got a better

652
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: chance of doing it. I'm just throwing the towel, and.

653
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,239
Speaker 6: My rebuttal to that was I would be angry if

654
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 6: I found out my partner spoke to my friends without

655
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 6: me knowing. But then the check mating, was you telling

656
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 6: me that? Then I'm having the conversation with my.

657
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: Yes, because then you go to mim and you go, hey,

658
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: what the hell's with you talking to my friends about me?

659
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: And then she goes, well, I can't get through to

660
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: you and then bang the conversations on checkmate.

661
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: Yes.

662
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: Now, ever since that only realized that as we were

663
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: talking about it.

664
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 3: By the way, it was a great question.

665
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 4: You no need to double down on how clever.

666
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: It was a great question. That was all I want

667
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: to say.

668
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: It was a good question, and it was just the

669
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: sheer genius in the moment that turned on its head.

670
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, what makes these words is that I've been

671
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Speaker 6: planning a checkmating of you ever since I heard or

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Speaker 6: ever since that happened to me.

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Speaker 3: It's a great thing to say to someone, checkmate.

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Speaker 6: And I and I hope to return the favor to you,

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Speaker 6: my dear friend. So I've been thinking about this for

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Speaker 6: a long time and I'm like, I think it checkmates you.

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Speaker 6: But to be honest, when I get stuck in the

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Speaker 6: vortex of the whole thing, like I'm sort of checkmating

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Speaker 6: myself as well, so I know it's really it's a

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Speaker 6: real head mess up forever.

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Speaker 4: I'm maybe to slow down, stop machinery. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's really simple and it's just a weird thing

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Speaker 6: for me. But we've got a drone there, Tom or

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Speaker 6: something that'd be nice to Okay.

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Speaker 3: This is like a riddle or something.

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Speaker 4: Nah, I've got a very simple question to ask you

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Speaker 4: and then checkmate me.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I really hope it doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Okay, will are you a liar? I think how this works.

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Speaker 3: I think I know this works.

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Speaker 4: Don't get too lost in it.

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Speaker 3: Hang on, I think through my answer.

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Speaker 4: Fine, but you're going to get tangled in it, okay.

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Speaker 2: Because if I say no, if I said what. If

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Speaker 2: I say no, then that means that I am a liar,

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Speaker 2: which means yes.

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Speaker 4: Because a liar would lie.

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Speaker 2: If I say yes. If I say yes, then I'm lying.

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Speaker 2: Yes means no, So yes I am a liar.

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Speaker 4: No, which means you are lying.

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Speaker 7: Damn it.

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Speaker 6: Yes, wait, no way, but then you answer the question yes,

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Speaker 6: you're a liar, so you're still a liar. No, but.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I'll dragging.

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Speaker 4: I got one more.

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Speaker 3: You want to try again? You actually do want to

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Speaker 3: try again.

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Speaker 4: Maybe tomorrow. I just didn't dust myself.

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Speaker 3: I said yes, and that means I'm not lying, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you still said you're a liar, which means

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Speaker 2: you're which again, which means I am a liar. Hang On,

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Speaker 2: have you been at the bottom of this do you

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Speaker 2: know what, because you've obviously been a part of this.

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Speaker 4: Everyone everyone's confused.

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Speaker 3: What's the right answer. No, if you're a liar, you

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Speaker 3: said yes, then you're a liar.

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Speaker 4: No, but that means he's telling the truth. But on

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Speaker 4: this occasion, he's telling the truth, but he's still a liar.

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Speaker 4: Hang on, but if he's wait, wait to check mate

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Speaker 4: you now, think about it.

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Speaker 6: If he says yes, he's a liar, he's he's saying yes,

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Speaker 6: I'm a liar, but he's lying because he's a liar.

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Speaker 4: So he's not a liar.

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Speaker 3: But if I'm not a liar, then I wouldn't have lied.

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Speaker 4: If you're not a liar, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I think I think it's what we call a stalemate

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Speaker 3: in chess. I think that's where we're at.

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Speaker 1: You should have just said maybe, ye, Well, I'm not brains.

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Speaker 2: What.

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Speaker 6: We've got a very special guest right now, absolutely, someone

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Speaker 6: who we know personally. And before I get to him,

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Speaker 6: I will mention that there's a guy called Blake Pavey

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Speaker 6: who recently went viral on TikTok. Effectively, he's a twenty

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Speaker 6: year old comedian with cystic fibrosis, and he revealed in

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Speaker 6: his TikTok that laughing about his illness is what it

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Speaker 6: has really helped him moving forward with his cystic fibrosis.

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Speaker 4: And I read that story and I spoke to you Wilbur,

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Speaker 4: and I said, we know a bloke who has been

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Speaker 4: doing this for many, many years.

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Speaker 6: He's a bloke who lives in the og. He's the og, baby, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: he is the Og. He has muscular dystrophy. I remember

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Speaker 6: the first time when and saw him do stand up

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Speaker 6: comedy at a raw comedy final.

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Speaker 3: He blew me.

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Speaker 6: Away and inspired me personally to actually get up on

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Speaker 6: stage and do some stand up unfortunately not as well

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Speaker 6: as him.

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Speaker 4: But he joins us on the phone right now, Hello, Hayden.

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Speaker 6: My first question can you can you tell us and

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Speaker 6: you know tell Australia for you going through muscular dystrophe,

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Speaker 6: how important has it been for you to be getting

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Speaker 6: up on stage and well effectively? And if you're still

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Speaker 6: doing similar jokes you sort of make jokes that are

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Speaker 6: at your expense to an extent and the condition that

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Speaker 6: you do have, how's that helped you?

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Speaker 5: Kih Well, your spots on what you're saying before. Laughing

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Speaker 5: about it really helps relieve the pressure because it's really

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Speaker 5: you go from some really tough stuff, but to laugh

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Speaker 5: about it and educate people about it, it's a really good,

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Speaker 5: good experience.

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Speaker 6: You told he I still remember a joke you tell

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Speaker 6: Hayden about like when you get new cares and I

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Speaker 6: can't remember exactly how you work it, but effectively you

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Speaker 6: talk about when the care has to go and shower

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Speaker 6: you because you need you need to be washed.

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Speaker 4: That's part of what your care entails.

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Speaker 6: And you talk about the fact that you try and

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Speaker 6: you make them feel a little bit uncomfortable by going.

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Speaker 4: The least you could do is buy me a drink

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Speaker 4: first before you see me nerd care.

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Speaker 5: That's right. Also can check where it's like fine dating,

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Speaker 5: things go well at the end of the night they

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Speaker 5: are up dressing me.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hayden, can I ask I know obviously the life

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Speaker 2: expectancy of someone with muscular dystrophy is drastically shorter than

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Speaker 2: someone who doesn't have it.

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Speaker 3: How do you how do you deal with that, mate?

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Speaker 3: And and how do you do you take any positives

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Speaker 3: from it? What's your view on it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'll never going to be an old person.

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Speaker 5: I'm still getting right, but.

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Speaker 4: Tick to that box already.

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Speaker 5: That I deal with him the moment. I've actually already

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Speaker 5: done the side show for my have I put it,

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Speaker 5: I've putd a comedian hole really, so I'm ready to

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Speaker 5: go over my own. You look at you're ready to go.

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Speaker 6: You're seriously, you're, you're a massive inspiration, mate, and I

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Speaker 6: know that you were the reason that I got up

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Speaker 6: on stage in wy And it's still stand up still

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Speaker 6: scares the absolute crap out of me.

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Speaker 1: Mate.

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Speaker 6: But when I do get mark together, you still you

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Speaker 6: message American once a month going have you been up

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Speaker 6: on stage?

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Speaker 4: Yet? Have been up on stage? So I bloody appreciate that, mate,

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Speaker 4: And sorry I haven't done it for five years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well you went really good at it.

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Speaker 3: You're a good man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us, for sharing, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure for inspiring so many people listening to this

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Speaker 2: right now. You're you're, you're, you're as what he said,

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Speaker 2: you're a great man. If you want to go and

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Speaker 2: see Hayden, he is performing at the last the Laugh Resort,

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Speaker 2: I should say, in Northbridge October nineteen and the Comedy

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Speaker 2: Lounge October twenty eight. You can go and see him

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Speaker 2: doing sit down stand up comedy as he calls it. Hayden,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. Really really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Great to your voice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, great to talk to you boys,