1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf thanks to Joyce Main Darwin 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: homes own Stuart Highway, Berrima. We have just heard from 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the Health Minister Attasha Files and asked if Mark Turner 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: should remain the Member for Blaine or stand down following 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: those revelations over the last week. Now, the ALP yesterday 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: issued that statement saying that well that they have received 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: a letter from the Chief Minister requesting that consideration be 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: given to removing the Member for full Blaine from the party. 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: The statement says considering action to expel any party member 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: is complex and must be done with the party's democratic 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: processes and follow the rules of the branch. Opposition leader 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: Lea Fanocchiaro joins me on the line right now. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Leah, Good morning Katie, and good 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: morning to your listeners. 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Does the Member for Blaine need to be expelled from 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: the Labor Party? 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: I would think the Labor Party has no other choice. 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, while they take a couple of 19 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 2: weeks to decide the member for Blaine fate, what we've 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: had is Minister Files and the Chief Minister come out 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: and fob this issue off show week leadership when it 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: comes to what needs to happen with the Member for Blaine, 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: and both of them have failed to call for him 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: to resign. These are the same people who contemned the 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: Member for Blaine in twenty sixteen, and to use the 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: Chief Minister's own words, he said his behavior is an 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: unforgivable breach of parliamentary standard and he should resign immediately. 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 2: So we're seeing again the week leadership from the Chief 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: Minister and now Minister Files is jumping on that bandwagon. Lea. 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: There will be some people listening this morning who will 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: be thinking, well, you know, what has happened is a 32 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: personal issue and it's one which Mark Turner is going 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: to have to work through himself with his family. I mean, 34 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, does he really need to lose his job 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: as well? 36 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: Look, there's no question that this must be a very 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: difficult time for his family. But ultimately, the Member for Blaine, 38 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: if he doesn't want public scrutiny, he shouldn't hold public office. 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: Of course, we've learnt through the media around the inappropriate 40 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: relationships him knowing about drug use and the text messages 41 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: we've seen printed in the paper. This is a person 42 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 2: who campaigned to the people of Blaine on family and 43 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: religious values. He's a former police officer, and of course 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: last week we saw the spectacular and insincere political statement 45 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: which showed no remorse for his actions and of course, 46 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: as we learned yesterday, spectacularly the Chief Minister helped him 47 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 2: write it. So it's a fundamental breach of community and 48 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: parliamentary standard and the people of Blaine deserve to go 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 2: back to the polls and elect someone that shares their values. 50 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: Well and lea. Obviously, the Chief Minister did reveal on 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: the show yesterday that he did help the Member for 52 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Blaine craft that speech before Parliament last Wednesday. Bart He 53 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: says that changes were made. The Health Minister said the 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: same thing this morning, that changes were made before it 55 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: was delivered. Has the Member for Blaine mislead Parliament. 56 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Chief Minister himself has said the 57 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: Member for Blaine has been dishonest, and again that goes 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: to the core of parliamentary values and the values of 59 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: the community hold their members of Parliament to that very 60 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: very high standard, which is why I just can't understand 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: why the Chief Minister and now Minister Files are not 62 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: calling for the Member for Blaine to stand down. I 63 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 2: can only assume it's because they're hoping that to continue 64 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: to enjoy his vote on the floor of the Parliament, 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 2: which is a disgraceful, self serving reason to not make 66 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: the call that you need to make as a leader. 67 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: You know, this is not a situation anyone wanted to see. 68 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: But here we are, weeks and weeks later with the 69 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: government completely entangled in this scandal, and it's simply not 70 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: good enough. They've lost the trust of territories over their 71 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: mishandling of this scandal. 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: I mainly lots of people listening this morning would think, well, 73 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: they expect you to say exactly what you've just seed, 74 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: and expect you to call for a by election, and 75 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, presume that you'd be then hoping that the 76 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: COLP is able to take that seat from the Labor Party. 77 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: But in reality, here I mean, is that really the 78 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: best moves this is? 79 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: This is you know, if there's a by election, of 80 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: course the Country Liberal Party will run a candidate and 81 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: we will put to the people of Blaine that we're 82 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: the best people to represent them. But ultimately this is 83 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: about the people who live in Bellamite, the people who 84 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: live in Woodrip Rosby and that small section of Malden. 85 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: You know, they have had someone make representations to them 86 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: that clearly aren't true. And to have that now come 87 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: out to campaign on that platform of family values and 88 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: all the other values I talked about before and to 89 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: be something else is not acceptable. It breaches that community standard, TESSI, 90 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: breaches that parliamentary test and so ultimately the Member for 91 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: Blaine has some big decisions to make. But I'm most 92 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: appalled by the fact that the Chief Minister and Minister 93 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: Files can see him fit to get him out of 94 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: the caucus, and Labor will look at whether or not 95 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: his membership can continue, but they won't go so far 96 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: to say he should resign. But needless to say, there 97 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: are still many questions regarding this entire scandal, Katie, and 98 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: you know this government has just failed the people of 99 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: the Northern territory. 100 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: Lea, I do want to ask you the same question 101 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: that I asked the Chief Minister yesterday and the Health 102 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: Minister earlier this morning. Should there be random drug testing 103 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: in Parliament House? 104 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: Absolutely? And I can't understand what the Chief Minister and 105 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: Natasha Files have got to hide if they don't support this. 106 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: In fact, we call on the government to introduce drug testing. 107 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: We are very happy to have our team, our staff 108 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: subjected to random drug testing. It's just inconceivable why the 109 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: Chief Minister is all of a sudden taking some sort 110 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: of fiscal responsible, you know, responsibly fiscal view on this 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: issue when he's happy to waste multiple millions of dollars 112 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: on other pet projects, including the grand Stand. You know, 113 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: this is just endemic of their general soft on crime approach, 114 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: and of course crime being the biggest issue facing Territorians 115 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: is something we should be talking about in the Parliament 116 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: and you know that's what people expect us to be 117 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: raising on their behalf. And yet last week we saw 118 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: the Gunner government gag the opposition and stop us from 119 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: speaking about emotion about crime and safety in our community. 120 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: Look, i'd have to say that on the tech side 121 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: this morning, people really are supportive of there being some 122 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: random drug testing within the workplace, particularly you know when 123 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: we're talking specifically about Parliament House. You know, I have 124 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: said it earlier this morning, and I'll say it again. 125 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: Perception is everything in politics, and the perception right now 126 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: is that the government is resisting this for some obscure reason. 127 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure why, but I think 128 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: that realistically they're going to have to take a bit 129 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: of a stand here and maybe look at whether it 130 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: would be something that they're able to do. 131 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: It's something that's got to happen, and Katie, we would 132 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: all be happy to walk right out the front of 133 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: Parliament House today with our tests and show territory and 134 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: what the results were. But for the Chief Minister to 135 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: now have you know, said no, we're not doing drug 136 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: test testing twice Minister Files has now backed that up. 137 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: You know, it's clear this government has no commitment to 138 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: clearing the air on this issue. They're still not conducting 139 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: an investigation into the allegations that are floating around. They're 140 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: still bearing their head in the stand, acting arrogantly and 141 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: you know, again it's this soft on crime approach we've 142 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: seen that they take to every other issue affecting Territorians 143 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: and they're doing it in their own backyard. 144 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: Leah, what is the COLP going to be focusing on 145 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: today in Parliament? 146 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: So certainly we've got a number of more questions relating 147 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: to the scandal, but also we want to get back 148 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: on track with crime. It's something that we tried very 149 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: hard to debate in parliament last week that the Gunner 150 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: government shockingly just gagged us on. I could not believe 151 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: the arrogant move to just stop and start for the 152 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: debate right from the start. So we're certainly going to 153 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: be trying to get matters around crime back up for 154 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: debate front and center in the Parliament this week, Leah. 155 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: Last night there was this full Corners report that traditional 156 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: owners of Kakadoo National Park at loggerheads with Parks Australia 157 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: and are threatening to close the World Heritage site amid 158 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: claims the agency's mismanaged it. What are your thoughts on this, 159 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, are you concerned that we've got a situation 160 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: here where where Kackadoo is going to become Kacadant. 161 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: Well, we certainly don't want to see kakado close. It's 162 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: just such a wonderful, beautiful, iconic destination. But clearly there 163 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 2: are issues on foot that need to be resolved and 164 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 2: that's going to take leadership on all signs to ensure 165 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: that people are back at the table and working through 166 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: some of the issues that have obviously come to light 167 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: over a period of time now. But also last night, all. 168 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: Right, Leah, fan Occhiara, we are going to have to 169 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: leave it there. Thank you very much for your time 170 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: this morning ahead of parliament. 171 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: Thank you take care of me. 172 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: Thank you.