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Speaker 1: Now it is just two days out from the by

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Speaker 1: election for Fanny Bay and the battle lines certainly have

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Speaker 1: been drawn. The COLP opposition is calling on the Labor

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Speaker 1: candidate for Fanny Bay, Brent Potter, to immediately come clean

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Speaker 1: on the serious allegations they say of conflict of interest

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Speaker 1: regarding his work history and securing of a ten million

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Speaker 1: dollars of taxpayer funds that were apparently raised or this

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line or joining me in

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Speaker 1: the studio, I should actually say, it's Jered Mayley, the

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Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition leader.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Jared, Good morning, Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now Jered, what exactly is the concern.

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Speaker 4: Here, Well, what the concern is here is this is

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Speaker 4: in relation to an alleged conflict of interest. We know

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Speaker 4: it has been reported in the media that the Labor

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Speaker 4: candidate was working closely with the CEO of the AAI,

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Speaker 4: the amphibious aircraft company that now has moved to the

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Speaker 4: territory and that's got a ten million dollar investment from

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Speaker 4: the charity government. And Miss Potter said yesterday at the

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Speaker 4: debate that he facilitated that ten million dollars the grant process,

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Speaker 4: and he also said previously it's not what you know,

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Speaker 4: it's who you know in the territory. So what we

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Speaker 4: want to know is how is Natasha Files managing this

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Speaker 4: potential conflict of interest because it's a very serious matter,

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Speaker 4: because that's the Public Service Code of Conduct says this.

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Speaker 4: You know that public officers should avoid conflict of interests.

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Speaker 4: We know that this could be a conflict of interest.

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Speaker 2: Has he declared it though? I mean, if he's declared it,

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what I said about how Natasha Files is

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Speaker 4: not about really the bilection. It's come to light because

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Speaker 4: this is about his employment prior becoming a candidate. This

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Speaker 4: is about his involvement in a company that's now come

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Speaker 3: In this day. We don't know the reasons why that's happened.

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Speaker 4: And more importantly, it's come about that he said he's

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Speaker 3: Of indursts been managed correctly?

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Speaker 1: And do you feel as though this is a legitimate

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Speaker 4: Course it has, but you know, this is a concern

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a pretty big claim, you know, that

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Speaker 4: Unless his words all right, So he said he facilitated

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Speaker 1: So I mean, as I understand mister Potter had also

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I don't know what to believe.

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Speaker 4: And this is the question that Natasha Files needs to

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Speaker 4: we don't know that.

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Speaker 1: Is it a situation here though, Jared, where you know

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Speaker 4: And what his actual role was in relation to because

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Speaker 4: Well, this is there's two days to go before the

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Speaker 1: Always welcome on the show. Hey, Jared, I do want

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Speaker 3: It's not a pay free so.

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Speaker 2: You cannot go up with CPI like actually, just.

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Speaker 4: because things have changed. Your cost of living has gone up.

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Speaker 1: So just to be clear, so you guys don't have

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Speaker 4: We just want to get rid of paying frees and

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Speaker 3: Well, that thousand dollars a year come out of Langland report.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we need to look at because when a

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Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly going to be interesting to see exactly

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Speaker 2: Going on strike tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We know that there's also been some concerns raised by

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Speaker 4: The comic Labor government have dropped the ball in relation

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Speaker 1: Well, I've written and authorized by the CLP there, Jereed Mailey,

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Speaker 1: nothing nothing like kicking the boot in at the end.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that you know that labor would do the same.

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Speaker 1: This morning.

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Speaker 2: I've given the opportunity, we are going to have to

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Speaker 2: leave it there