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Speaker 1: Well it is Friday morning, and I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: for us stepping in and playing some great music for

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Speaker 1: us throughout the week. It's been a very busy week

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Speaker 1: and joining us in the studio this morning. Well from

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Speaker 1: Sky News the Sky News bureau chief for the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: Matt Conning out Kati, Good morning to you. We have

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Speaker 1: got from the Labor Party Selena Rubo, the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Health and various other portfolios. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie. Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got Keezier Puick, the Independent member for Goid Good morning, Keezier.

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Speaker 3: Morning morning, Katie. Morning Bush people pretty went out in the.

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Speaker 1: Bud certainly, and all the way from Alice Springs. We've

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Speaker 1: got Josh Bergoing. Good morning to you, Josh for the CLP.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Katie, Good morning to the Central Australian listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you in the studio and Josh, obviously

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Speaker 1: an interesting sort of week for you this week, kicking

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Speaker 1: off appearing in court. Are you please that that's all

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Speaker 1: sort of behind you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Katie, glad that that has now been dealt

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Speaker 4: with and obviously the matter finalized.

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Speaker 1: Now there's been a lot to cover off on this

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Speaker 1: week and the Prime minister rolled into town. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you really come to Darwin when you don't go

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Speaker 1: on three sixty Because he avoided me. I think it

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Speaker 1: could be that he was maybe a bit worried that

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Speaker 1: he was going to have to talk about crime. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but there was a lot of money that

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Speaker 1: was certainly he came to town with bags of money

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Speaker 1: by the look of things. Matt Cunningham, I.

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Speaker 3: Wonder if it's an election here. I didn't see any

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Speaker 3: announcements at about the ruler like you know, the major

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Speaker 1: So you're feeling a bit left out out in the

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't even know if he knows where the

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Speaker 3: rule area is. Like this labor government, you know, they

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Speaker 3: do stuff, they do stuff, They do stuff for the

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Speaker 3: urban people jump over the rule area and then go remote.

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Speaker 1: Well that's because the rural area doesn't vote for him.

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Speaker 3: They're going, well, you know why, because they're not very good.

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Speaker 3: They don't give us anything.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, he did indeed make some pretty massive announcements.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's this landmark four billion dollar investment into

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Speaker 1: remote housing to help close the gap. It's a ten

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Speaker 1: also allocated to maintenance and repairs. Now, look, on the

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Speaker 1: face of it, a great announcement in terms of closing

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Speaker 1: But I worked for the then Housing Minister Rob Knight

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Speaker 1: when the biggest housing announcement of the day see him,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the cost of those homes as

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Speaker 1: well to roll out in those remote communities. It's not

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Speaker 5: I remember during the sea hit days, insurance still keeps

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Speaker 5: a million dollars. Now, I know there's been a bit

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Speaker 5: of inflation since two thousand and eight nine or whenever

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Speaker 5: and I'd be curious to know how much of that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie, it's a fantastic announcement for the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 6: We've never seen this level of investment in remote housing before.

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Speaker 6: It is the fifty to fifty partnership with the federal government,

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Speaker 6: that is going into the remote housing investment. But as

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Speaker 2: That's part of the money.

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Speaker 1: Pots you point five million dollars for a home, it's

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Speaker 1: it's more than most regular jos can even comprehend in

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Speaker 3: It's the materials. It's part of the cost comes from

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Speaker 3: And some of the materials that they use are top end,

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Speaker 1: So I do not begrudge in any way the local

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Speaker 4: We've seen this in other springs. You know that the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Katie, just to talk to Josh's point, the

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Speaker 5: Katie, My question is, Lena, in regards to the announcement

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Speaker 5: And it also says that there were one thy, six

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Speaker 5: I'm just wondering why we haven't delivered on what was

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Speaker 3: In to one of the big and there will be

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Speaker 1: So is that is that what's sewing things sound or

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Speaker 1: what's the go Katie.

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Speaker 6: Land servicing is a big part of this money. So

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Speaker 2: So all of that work.

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Speaker 6: we're talking about average Land Rights Act, which we have

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Speaker 2: Government can't build unless we have a lease of land.

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Speaker 1: But you're talking about home so for indigenous people with

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but just thinking to Katie, the land councils still

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Speaker 1: Is it taking way too long?

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Speaker 2: Though? Sometimes it is so.

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Speaker 6: But when you think about last year, Katie, we hit

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Speaker 6: So we'll continue that work. This ten year agreement means

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Speaker 6: that is ten years worth of pipeline. Our territory businesses

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Speaker 1: Look, it wasn't the only money that the federal government

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Speaker 4: We know.

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Speaker 1: The federal government and Northern Territory governments have also announced

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Speaker 1: public schools by twenty twenty nine, two decades earlier than

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Speaker 1: the current model now. It includes seven hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: funds providing more resources, activities, and support as well as

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Speaker 1: Korea and job pathways. Now, is it going to mean

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Speaker 6: Again, this is a fantastic announcement around having the territory

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Speaker 1: Can we expect our teachers then to be counseling kids.

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Speaker 6: We're wanting to get more people into those roles, and

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Speaker 6: We're going to be able to do that with this money, Katie.

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Speaker 6: That's the big thing, that's the game changer here.

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Speaker 6: With our global school budget, the current funding model is

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Speaker 5: So is this extra money going to mean that we're

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Speaker 5: More often when a teacher is sick or is unavailable

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Speaker 6: Well, that's the idea of MADZ that we would have

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: we've got well Josh Burgoyne Kesier, Puic Selena Rubold, Matt

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's the same night that that doub

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Speaker 7: But I'll tell you what it was.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, it's not mine to have kids outside

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Speaker 7: This is what's so hard to hear conversation.

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Speaker 4: It's so hard to hear. And in Alice Springs as

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Speaker 3: You just don't get the money. You've got to put

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Speaker 4: Eighteen months on. We're all asking ourselves where is that funding?

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Speaker 3: and their partners and spouses and children to relocate to Darwin.

441
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Speaker 3: And let's be honest, a lot of the senior jobs

442
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Speaker 3: are men, and then that partners may have jobs as well,

443
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Speaker 3: but they just say we're not going. So it should

444
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Speaker 3: have been an issue for the Prime Minister because he's

445
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Speaker 3: giving money to air a few resources, all good and

446
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 3: stuff that yeah, to help that project, you know, get

447
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Speaker 3: up and running, But you won't get the people coming

448
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Speaker 3: to live in the Northern Territory. If they're families. The

449
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 3: unit does not feel comfortable or safe. So we will

450
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Speaker 3: chucking money out there, but we won't have anyone to bloody.

451
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Speaker 3: You usually enjoy them all.

452
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Speaker 1: And you know, the thing is we're hearing, like you know,

453
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Speaker 1: every time I speak to the Chief Minister or anytime

454
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Speaker 1: I speak to a Labor minister about it, everybody's as

455
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Speaker 1: appalled as the rest of you know, as every other

456
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Speaker 1: territory and by the issues of crime, but not prepared

457
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Speaker 1: to look at anything different at this point. And that's

458
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Speaker 1: something that I think more than anything. On Monday morning,

459
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Speaker 1: when I interviewed the Chief Minister and she said that

460
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Speaker 1: there was not going to be any urgent legislative changes

461
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Speaker 1: or anything urgent done after the weekend that we'd seen

462
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Speaker 1: with crime, that that's the thing that it was no

463
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Speaker 1: longer angering people, it's actually making people feel really disillusioned

464
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Speaker 1: that they feel like they're not being listened to by

465
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government, that you guys are not seeing

466
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Speaker 1: this as the same issue they're seeing it at Selena.

467
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Speaker 6: Oh, Katie, I think we absolutely do see it as

468
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Speaker 6: a huge issue here in the Northern Territory, and I

469
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Speaker 6: don't think any of my colleagues have ever disputed that.

470
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Speaker 2: But the work has to.

471
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Speaker 6: Happen in tandem with a whole range of different areas.

472
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Speaker 6: So when we're talking about parliament and legislation. That is

473
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Speaker 6: the framework by law where we can put in policies

474
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Speaker 6: and programs and the mechanisms to actually make a difference

475
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Speaker 6: on the ground. So when we talk about if there's

476
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Speaker 6: nothing urgent in parliament, it means that we've looked at legislation,

477
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Speaker 6: but we're actually really centered on what is the difference

478
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Speaker 6: on the ground, and when we're talking about crime and

479
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Speaker 6: the effect on the community. The territory is tight knit,

480
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Speaker 6: that's why we all love it so much, but we

481
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Speaker 6: feel that impact. If someone, an individual or a family,

482
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Speaker 6: a neighbor, or a local business or a cafe experiences crime,

483
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Speaker 6: it resonates with all of us, whether we know that

484
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Speaker 6: person or not, Katie.

485
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Speaker 2: That's the difference here in the territory.

486
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Speaker 6: Crimes happening all across the country, but here in the territory.

487
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Speaker 1: In the country, other premiers are looking at to do

488
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Speaker 1: different things, like the new South Wales premier has Well.

489
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Speaker 1: He's ruled out raising the age of criminal responsibility to

490
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Speaker 1: fourteen as he in outsweeping new laws that will make

491
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Speaker 1: it harder for teenagers to get bail and will criminalize

492
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Speaker 1: posting and boasting about offenses on social media. So the

493
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Speaker 1: Men's Labor government in New South Wales is this week

494
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Speaker 1: they've this week introduced legislation to amend the laws, along

495
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Speaker 1: with a twenty six point two million dollar package of

496
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Speaker 1: initiatives that it says is going to address youth crime

497
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Speaker 1: in regional New South Wales. So you know, and then

498
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Speaker 1: you've got a situation in Queensland, in places like Mount

499
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Speaker 1: iSER where they've amped up the police presence to a

500
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Speaker 1: degree where they have been able to really clamp down

501
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Speaker 1: on the issues that they're seeing with crime. We're in

502
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Speaker 1: a situation where we don't have enough cops to be

503
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Speaker 1: able to do that. We're seriously broken at the moment,

504
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Speaker 1: and the government's not even prepared to look at legislative

505
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Speaker 1: changes or not even prepared to sort of admit that, hey,

506
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Speaker 1: maybe we didn't have those programs in place that we

507
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Speaker 1: actually needed before we lowered the age of criminal responsibility.

508
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Speaker 5: And that's the thing I mean with our incident the

509
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Speaker 5: other night, Katie, I mean, we caught Triple O. We

510
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Speaker 5: were on hold for almost five minutes and then we're

511
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Speaker 5: basically told police were too busy to get there straight away.

512
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Speaker 5: Two police officers from Strike Force tried and came the

513
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Speaker 5: next day, and I've got to say they were absolutely magnificent,

514
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 5: but it's clear that they're absolutely under the.

515
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Speaker 7: Pump and overwhelmed.

516
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Speaker 5: And you know, it was only a week before this

517
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Speaker 5: incident that that stolen car was driving past my house

518
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Speaker 5: given by a twelve you know, or the twelve and

519
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 5: thirteen year olds in that car, and that stolen vehicle

520
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 5: that was being chased through the streets of Nightcliff at

521
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Speaker 5: the same time that kids were walking to school. And

522
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Speaker 5: then after police managed to stop that vehicle, we found

523
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Speaker 5: out that all three of those kids were on bail.

524
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Speaker 7: And it's happening again again.

525
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Speaker 5: There's a case that was just and I can send

526
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Speaker 5: it to you can put it on your website. But

527
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Speaker 5: there's a case that was just delivered in the Supreme

528
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Speaker 5: Court last week involving a fourteen year old kid. And

529
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Speaker 5: it is just one incident after another after another where

530
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Speaker 5: this kid who's fourteen is involved in a serious incident

531
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Speaker 5: of violent offending and gets bail. I mean, it's just

532
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Speaker 5: like literally like six times fourth of August granted bail

533
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Speaker 5: and I caught again first to September granted bail, re

534
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Speaker 5: arrested four days later, sixth of September, granted bail, re

535
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Speaker 5: arrested a month later twelfth of oc October, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

536
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Speaker 7: And this puts pressure on police.

537
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Speaker 5: And it also means that, you know, Laura, abiding citizens

538
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Speaker 5: are at further risk of being subjected to harm. I mean,

539
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Speaker 5: God knows what would have happened if that car the

540
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Speaker 5: other morning. You know, he swerved off the footpath onto

541
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Speaker 5: the footpath and took out five or six kids, And

542
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Speaker 5: that was a real possibility of happening.

543
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Speaker 3: He thanks to be honest about this. These young people

544
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Speaker 3: who are driving these cars at twelve and thirteen, they

545
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: have no life skills. They have no idea how to

546
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Speaker 3: drive a car well. And they have no idea how

547
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Speaker 3: to drive a car well under pressure when something comes

548
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Speaker 3: out in front. And it will be a matter of

549
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Speaker 3: time before that happens.

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Speaker 4: Last spring, this is already happening. And this is the tragedy.

551
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Speaker 3: It's that fellow who got killed.

552
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Speaker 4: Well, we've had Shane Powell in the past, some one.

553
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: People always remember that.

554
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: That he was killed the man on the motorcycle.

555
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 4: Motorcycle when a stolen motor vehicle run a red light

556
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Speaker 4: and then just recently we've seen a young person lose

557
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Speaker 4: their life in a stolen motor vehicle. The motor vehicle

558
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: has rolled and that is still under investigation. But a

559
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: tragic incident where the current laws aren't protecting the public

560
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 4: and then not protecting these young people that are being

561
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Speaker 4: given chance after chance.

562
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Speaker 3: Well, Katie, it comes back. Well, I think one of

563
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Speaker 3: the things apart from why they're doing what they're doing,

564
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Speaker 3: that's what that's a separate debate. But the reason they're

565
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Speaker 3: getting bailed is because the court can allow them or

566
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Speaker 3: the judge can allow them to have bail. So the

567
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Speaker 3: bail laws really do need to look at be looked at,

568
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Speaker 3: you know, for whatever reason. However, so I heard on

569
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Speaker 3: the news the other day yesterday, a fifteen year old

570
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Speaker 3: girl has had aggravated robbery. She stole a car, she's

571
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Speaker 3: crashed the car, she's threatened people, she's stolen She's got

572
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Speaker 3: about fifteen sixteen serious charges. You know, she's fifteen. They're

573
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Speaker 3: stealing cars and getting the key to steal the cars

574
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 3: is just it's just it's just rampant. But I think

575
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Speaker 3: that the government could have introduced measures in regards to

576
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Speaker 3: the Bail Act to stop these young particularly the violent offending,

577
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: from getting bail. Then people will say, well, are you

578
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: going to put them? I don't know, find somewhere. Well,

579
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: there means somewhere.

580
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Speaker 1: There will be.

581
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Speaker 3: Somewhere you can find, even if it's temporary, to hold

582
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: these kids, to find out exactly what's going it is.

583
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Speaker 1: But also if don Dale is now being rebuilt into

584
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Speaker 1: a facility that is state of the art, that's therapeutic,

585
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Speaker 1: that is able to educate children and run programs, will

586
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Speaker 1: I mean, is it now a safe place to be

587
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Speaker 1: able to actually send kids if they are doing the

588
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: wrong thing? Or the chiefness has spoken about these secure

589
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: facilities that are going to be getting up off the ground,

590
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Speaker 1: same as the boot camps or you know, we spoke

591
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Speaker 1: to we spoke earlier in the week to the operator

592
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Speaker 1: of seven EMU station about the work that he does,

593
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: Frank and and you know, the work that they do.

594
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Speaker 1: There's got to be some better options and we can't

595
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Speaker 1: continue on the path that we're on.

596
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Speaker 3: Katie. I'm not sure what's happening these days, but there

597
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: is a what's called was called a secure care facility

598
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: down Foundation Road on the left of the Highway AGC

599
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: before you hit Pine lads. It's what the previous government,

600
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: labor government, when Combat Scarlets was whatever minister he was,

601
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: they wanted to put it in the middle of Beast

602
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 3: Creek and we stopped that. It was then built and

603
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 3: put at foundation.

604
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Speaker 6: Now.

605
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Speaker 3: I don't know how many beds they've got there. I

606
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: don't know who and what looks after these days, but

607
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: that's one facility I know where they could house.

608
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 4: I don't know how much have been there recently. Keys here,

609
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 4: I believe Salt Bush are the ones that manage it,

610
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 4: and this is my frustration.

611
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Speaker 3: We have somewhere to put it.

612
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a facility in our Springs. I've visited

613
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Speaker 4: it before and quite often unfortunately they're not full, so

614
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: they don't have all the kids, and a lot of

615
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: that comes to the courts are not court ordering because

616
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 4: in a lot of instances that the young people are

617
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: underage or they can't be proven to have done the

618
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 4: wrong thing under Dolly incapax, So there's a lot of

619
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Speaker 4: hindrances getting people into those programs. But I agree those

620
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Speaker 4: are the sorts of facilities where you need to be

621
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Speaker 4: able to take people and rehabilitate so that they're not

622
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Speaker 4: a danger to themselves or the public.

623
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Speaker 1: Now, to get it.

624
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Speaker 3: So I get it. If they're underage, you've got to

625
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: get a parent or a guardian or whatever responsible adult

626
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 3: I think the term is these days. But someone has

627
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: taken that young person to court. Your fourteen year old

628
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: who's through a revolving book, someone has taken them to court.

629
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Speaker 3: And when they've got bail, someone's been at that court

630
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: to take them somewhere else. Okay, so it was this

631
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: fifteen year old, she got bail. Someone took that kid

632
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: to court because that kid wouldn't have got any bloody

633
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: idea of where they need to go. So there is

634
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Speaker 3: someone around that kid looking after them in some shape

635
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 3: or form or a bit badly.

636
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Speaker 5: So you know, well, I think a lot of the

637
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 5: questions are being asked to now about what constitutes are

638
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 5: responsible And I don't know whether I think police are

639
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 5: almost doing this to make a point, but police press

640
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 5: releases are now saying, you know, such and such, you're

641
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 5: committed this such and such alleged crime has been returned

642
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 5: to the care of a responsible adult.

643
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 7: Well, how on earth was the.

644
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Speaker 5: Eleven year old kid, or in one case last week,

645
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 5: the seven year old kid? You know out wandering the

646
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 5: streets at two o'clock in the morning, committing crime if

647
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 5: they were in the care of a responsible adult, that's.

648
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Speaker 1: The question people are asking now. I do want to

649
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Speaker 1: point out that also this weekend marks the one year

650
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: anniversary of the loss of Deckland Lavity and a memorial

651
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: walk is being held this weekend to honor Deckland Lavity,

652
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: a year on after he was allegedly murdered while working

653
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Speaker 1: at the Darwin Airport Tavern bottle shop. We are going

654
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Speaker 1: to speak to his mum this morning after ten o'clock,

655
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Speaker 1: just before eleven o'clock. But I tell you what to

656
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: think that one year on and this situation with crime

657
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Speaker 1: across the board really has not improved. It's pretty heartbreaking

658
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Speaker 1: I think for the Northern Territory, and that's how people

659
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Speaker 1: are feeling. They're at a loss, they're feeling a bit broken.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, Matt, you know for your family this

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Speaker 1: week to be having a conversation about whether you stay

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Speaker 1: and continue to raise your children here. It's a conversation

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Speaker 1: that's been had in my house as well. I know

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Speaker 1: that it's a conversation that's been had I'm sure by

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Speaker 1: a lot of Territorians and it actually upsets me to

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Speaker 1: even say that, because I want to raise my kids here.

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Speaker 1: I want my kids to be able to stay and

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Speaker 1: be good little Territorians and to help, you know, to

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Speaker 1: help this place down the track, to be teachers, you know,

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Speaker 1: to be nurses, to be whatever they choose to be,

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Speaker 1: but to be able to stay living here in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory. But there needs to be rules across the

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Speaker 1: board for everybody. Doesn't matter where you come from, doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter how you've grown up. Everybody needs to follow the law. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: let's move on. We'll take a bit of a break

676
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Speaker 1: and when we come back, there's still a lot to discuss,

677
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Speaker 1: including the fact that the Ikak have said that they're

678
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Speaker 1: not able to access cabinet documents. In the studio this morning,

679
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Speaker 1: we've got Matt cunning Have, Selina Rubo, Keezy Apuric and

680
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Speaker 1: Joshua Burgoyne, and the Northern Territory i CAC has revealed

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Speaker 1: that it's been unable to investigate allegations of conflicts of

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Speaker 1: interest on four occasions as requests to access cabinet documents

683
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Speaker 1: were denied by the Northern Territory government. The Commissioner Michael

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Speaker 1: Riches said he'd doesn't have the power to force the

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Speaker 1: government to hand over cabinet transcripts under the legislation and

686
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Speaker 1: is at the government's mercy now. The icac's latest report

687
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Speaker 1: was tabled in Parliament this week. Mister Richards also said

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Speaker 1: a lack of resources had resulted in three of his

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Speaker 1: investigations being abandoned. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 6: All?

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Speaker 4: This has set the standard, hasn't it. I guess Labor

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Speaker 4: have basically said we'll set up the IKAC office. It

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Speaker 4: can investigate cases are wrongdoing, but yeah, when it comes

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Speaker 4: to us look the other way. So, I mean, you

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Speaker 4: know they've hamstrung the office. They've basically said, yeah, nothing

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Speaker 4: to see here. But at the reality, there have been

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Speaker 4: a lot of people that have been impacted negatively by

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Speaker 4: decisions that have been made by this government. Nowhere more

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Speaker 4: than in my hometown of Alla Springs, where we had

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Speaker 4: the Attorney General basically invested in a company that distributed

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Speaker 4: alcohol made changes so basically the rivers of grog float

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Speaker 4: throughout our town. Hundreds, if not thousands of people were

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Speaker 4: affected by domestic violence as a result. God knows how

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Speaker 4: many people in our impact did Yet absolutely look there's

705
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Speaker 4: nothing to see here. Yes, I invested in some shares,

706
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Speaker 4: Did I? Did I not disclose that? Was I actually

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Speaker 4: taking part in meetings around those decisions? Will never know

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Speaker 4: because basically we've got the Chief Minister saying I can't

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Speaker 4: even remember him ever say anything about it, and then

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Speaker 4: the Attorney General saying, I know I definitely disclosed everything.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry. I'm the good bloke. You can trust me

712
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Speaker 4: when I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: But territory, what he said to Katie, I think was

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Speaker 5: that he wouldn't discuss it what had happened in cabinet

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Speaker 5: because it was subject to cabinet competentiality. I guess my

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Speaker 5: question for you, though, Josh, is whether the CLP will

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Speaker 5: reverse this, will change legislation if it wins government to

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Speaker 5: allow the IKAK to have those cabinet documents.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's about legislation.

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Speaker 6: It's about if there is something answer the question Josh.

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Speaker 4: We are looking at right now and what has been

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Speaker 4: what has been asked Selena is that was was this

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Speaker 4: disclosed because the reality of this chance, Josh chance he

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Speaker 4: disclosed at the beginning of the meeting. Did he do

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Speaker 4: what awast be interesting when you're saying you're sitting here,

726
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Speaker 4: you're a minister, you are there, and that's the question.

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Speaker 6: Here has been in government and the tradition of cabinet

728
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Speaker 6: and the protections under cabinet is something that you haven't

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Speaker 6: been able to.

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Speaker 2: Protected.

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Speaker 6: No, just relaxed because we're not talking about when we're

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Speaker 6: talking about what cabinet ministers have a responsibility to do.

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Speaker 6: We take an open an affirmation, so yes, we are

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Speaker 6: absolutely bound by the highest level of responsibility as ministers

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Speaker 6: of the crown. We take that if we take that affirmation,

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Speaker 6: if we do not do our job, Josh, we can

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Speaker 6: be prosecuted through that lens.

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Speaker 5: Question.

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Speaker 6: People are talking about the ie cap and the question

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Speaker 6: that has put around the processes and the powers that Now.

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Speaker 1: Then can the i cack actually do his job If

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Speaker 1: they can't even get the minutes at the start, that

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Speaker 1: basically says whether chancey you know, like whether he did

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Speaker 1: disclose or not at the beginning of the meeting.

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Speaker 2: They can expect the iq Act and they can't think documents.

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Speaker 1: They can't get the cabinet documents. So unless you guys

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Speaker 1: choose to release them.

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Speaker 3: If the IKAK is doing an investigation into potential conflict

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Speaker 3: of just let's say it's Chancey paper if so, I

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Speaker 3: think remember for Alwin referred to him like she refers

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Speaker 3: to everyone else to IKK. So why doesn't the talk

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Speaker 3: to Chancey Paik directly?

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Speaker 5: She calls because he calls Chancey pake In and says, Chancey,

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Speaker 5: did you declare?

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Speaker 3: He says, I can't reveal.

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Speaker 7: He says I can't because it's a cabinet in and

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Speaker 7: the question doesn't get euly.

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Speaker 1: It's not the end of story, though, is it? You know,

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Speaker 1: Like that's the thing where people are still going, We'll

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Speaker 1: hang on a second. Did this like was this the

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Speaker 1: right you know? Was did he do the right thing?

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Speaker 1: And and when you've then got a whole body that's

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Speaker 1: in place, that is the ikag where every other Northern

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Speaker 1: territory and has to be held to a standard where

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Speaker 1: they do release all of that information. But then you've

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Speaker 1: got cabinet ministers who are elected by the people of

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory that aren't expected to do the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Not only do they release the information, they have their

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Speaker 5: phone searched and seized, they have their phone calls, emails,

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Speaker 5: So there's their conversations secretly and covertly recorded all of

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Speaker 5: those things that have applied to people often who aren't

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Speaker 5: even in decision making roles. On your lorimer, I mean,

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Speaker 5: why would you secretly record nure Lorimer when what I mean,

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Speaker 5: for what God's good name, But the government was more

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Speaker 5: than happy for that to happen. They did absolutely sweet

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Speaker 5: fa about the fact that that happened. And yet when

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Speaker 5: it comes to their own scrutiny, nothing to see here.

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Speaker 6: A question.

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Speaker 3: The question I would pose is, let's say, hypothetically speaking,

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Speaker 3: there was a conflict of interest and chancy Pate didn't

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Speaker 3: reveal it to his colleagues, so he was remiss in

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Speaker 3: a particular duty. Then what what's I going to find?

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Speaker 3: Then it's let's say that he had a conflict of

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Speaker 3: interest and he didn't reveal it to his parliamentary, comic

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Speaker 3: post cabinet colleagues.

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Speaker 1: Well, you would hope, you would hope that his colleagues

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Speaker 1: would then say, this person is en up to the

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Speaker 1: standard that he needs to be to be able to

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Speaker 1: hold onto his job.

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Speaker 7: Of course, his colleagues already know the answer to that question, Katie.

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Speaker 7: That's the other thing. They know the answer. Selena knows

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Speaker 7: the answer.

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Speaker 5: She was in cabinet that entire time, but they're using

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Speaker 5: cabinet confidentiality as an excuse not to answer the question

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Speaker 5: that would decide whether there has been a serious breach

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Speaker 5: of the Ministerial Code of Conduct, Katie.

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Speaker 6: When we're talking about corruption, we're talking about doing the

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Speaker 6: wrong thing to get a personal benefit. That's really what

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Speaker 6: the standard is. So if we're talking about corruption, that's

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Speaker 6: what it is. So there are the processes through the act.

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Speaker 6: We were the government, the territory lab of Government was

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Speaker 6: the one who brought the Aykak into effect.

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Speaker 2: But when we're talking about corruption, it's benefiting personally and.

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Speaker 7: Intent defending personally.

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Speaker 5: And he bought shares in the company, and then he's

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Speaker 5: in the cabinet where you're making a decision about that

807
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Speaker 5: that could have the potential to increase the value of

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Speaker 5: those shares. Does that not meet the criteria that you've

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Speaker 5: just set.

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Speaker 6: Out, Matt, I think you're going to something that obviously

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Speaker 6: has been addressed, and we know in terms of the

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Speaker 6: conversations that chance he has has and the questions that

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Speaker 6: he has he has answered. When we're talking about to

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Speaker 6: the level of what Josh is explaining, it becomes we

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Speaker 6: just want to know what's continet.

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Speaker 1: And that's because we keep saying.

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Speaker 6: Fell on his sword over a personal benefit, which is

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Speaker 6: what corruption is.

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Speaker 1: So but the thing is Barrio O'Farrell in New South

820
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Speaker 1: Wales fell on his sword over a bottle of wine. Right,

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Speaker 1: So you've got a situation where where what is considered

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Speaker 1: the level of like what's the threshold?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 1: Do we go all right, well, oh, okay, well it's

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Speaker 1: okay if you do something as long as it's under

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Speaker 1: a one thousand bucks, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like people are kind of going, well, hang on a sec.

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Speaker 1: What's the threshold here? What's considered appropriate and what's not

829
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Speaker 1: considered appropriate, and what's considered appropriate behavior or appropriate investments

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Speaker 1: of what you would anticipate from from ministers, And that's

831
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Speaker 1: really or from any member of parliament, any member of parliament.

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Speaker 3: I listen and I hear you saying, and I accept

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Speaker 3: and acknowledge the concerns and the anger that's out there

834
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Speaker 3: in the community, because I've had people comment to me

835
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Speaker 3: as well. But I've also had a big group of

836
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Speaker 3: people cohort and people come to me and say this

837
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Speaker 3: is bullshit. Just get on and govern and sort out

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Speaker 3: our problems. You know, whether it be Ren Potters shares

839
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Speaker 3: or Chances or Natasha's shares or whatever, they are just

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Speaker 3: they just they're just over it.

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Speaker 7: And this goes to the inegrity of the government.

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Speaker 5: And now this is a government that sixteen of chaos

843
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Speaker 5: lost a thirty six page document about how great they

844
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Speaker 5: were going to be.

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Speaker 3: Every people are still I get all that, and so

846
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Speaker 3: to a lot of people. But people are just fed

847
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Speaker 3: up with politicians banging on about other politicians.

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Speaker 1: They want problems, so they want the crime sorted out

849
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Speaker 1: for a start. I'll get it.

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Speaker 3: There's serious issues, but I think holding knives of women

851
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Speaker 3: old women's throats is a far more serious issue on

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Speaker 3: than whether Chancey declared a conflict of industry.

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Speaker 4: If decisions are being made around alcohol policy that affect

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Speaker 4: the entire Northern Territory in regards to these things, people

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Speaker 4: need to know about it, and I think that's what

856
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Speaker 4: it comes back to.

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Speaker 1: Look, I do want to move along quickly because this

858
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Speaker 1: is an interesting story that was reported by the ABC

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier in the week. ABC News. One

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Speaker 1: of the most powerful trade unions is withdrawing its support

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Speaker 1: for the Labor Party ahead of the Northern territory election. Now,

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Speaker 1: the CFMU is normally one of Labour's biggest backers, particularly

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Speaker 1: in remote areas, having contributed almost twelve thousand dollars to

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Speaker 1: the party's last campaign in twenty twenty. That's according to

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Speaker 1: the ABC. But things soured after the Queensland and nt

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Speaker 1: Secretary met with the Chief Minister recently to discuss training

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Speaker 1: initiatives for Indigenous people, supporting women in construction and procurement

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Speaker 1: for local jobs, and a review of NTI work Safe.

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Speaker 1: Now Union boss Michael Rabbar told the ABC that Eva

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Speaker 1: Laula wasn't interested in those issues, had no vision, lacked

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Speaker 1: policy and was leading the party into oblivion. Now part

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Speaker 1: of me thinks, good on Eva for standing up to

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Speaker 1: the unions.

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Speaker 4: You've said something else, Katie, he also said, and I've

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Speaker 4: got the quote down here. I've dealt with a lot

876
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Speaker 4: of leaders over the years in politics. She's the worst

877
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 4: by far.

878
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 5: So I think that is a very very non territory

879
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 5: in view of the terror Seriously, I mean, what a nonsense, what.

880
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 7: Nonsense, Katie.

881
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: This is joking over here.

882
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 3: This has been the biggest dummy spit I've ever seen

883
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: and one of the.

884
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 7: Biggest eleven thousand dollars. Yeah, I mean they would have

885
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 7: raised Buddy twenty times.

886
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: The Queensland Sea if you fellow, we'll look after.

887
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Is it going to make any kind of difference the

888
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: plavor Park to go out.

889
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: Into the book stand on the polls and do all

890
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 4: this come election time. So if they're not going to

891
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: be there.

892
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 7: That is that's true.

893
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 5: That's the big impact it could have, is that that

894
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: army of red Shirts that they have on the ground

895
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 5: might not be there.

896
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 6: But look, Katie, I think Chief Minister Eva Lawla spoke

897
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 6: very strongly she is not going to be held for

898
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 6: ransom from anyone, especially not a Queenslander.

899
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: She is born. It would have gone further if you said,

900
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: not by a Unionist.

901
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: That she is a tough territory born and bred leader.

902
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 6: And she's said, you know today, last week, this week

903
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 6: in parliament, you know, born here, living here and will

904
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 6: die here. And I think people absolutely respect he doesn't

905
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 6: matter what side of politics they are.

906
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: You get with Eva.

907
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 6: What you get with Eva is a straight talker and

908
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 6: a chief minister who will lead us into the next election.

909
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: I wonder if he's called it Johnny come lately and

910
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: we've seen a lot of those in the territory. Haven't

911
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: we met.

912
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 7: Yes, we've seen a few of those.

913
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 5: I agree with what Selena is saying about Eva all

914
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 5: of being a straight talker, and I think that you know,

915
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 5: to be perfectly frank, I think that most of what

916
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 5: she said since she became Chief Minister, and the policy

917
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 5: setting that she's trying to put us on in many

918
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 5: areas is on the right track. I think she's right

919
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 5: when she says we need to get more everyone needs

920
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 5: to be working, and I think that's the biggest problem

921
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 5: that we're facing here. But I do think this blow

922
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 5: up does show one thing, and that is that the

923
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 5: internal ructions within labor are still existing after the leadership

924
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 5: battle following Natasha Files's red That's what you're seeing.

925
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 4: Will there'd be further unions come out and not support

926
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: the labor government, like does even not have the support there?

927
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 4: And how will that effect labor going for because we

928
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 4: know that they've been supported by these unions for a

929
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 4: long time. This is how they get all their red

930
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: shirts out in the ground. What's going to happen come

931
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 4: Will we have further unions come out and say we're

932
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 4: throwing our support.

933
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 3: Hey, Josh has Leah, your leader put up her picked

934
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: up the phone to talk to this question and help you.

935
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: Leah asked the question in Parliament was one of her

936
00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: first questions.

937
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 6: I thought it was very strange for a country Liberal

938
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 6: opposition leader to ask a question.

939
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: About a union and a union comment was very very odd.

940
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 6: But anyway, but Katie, in terms of the Bush, we

941
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 6: know that as Territory Labor government, we absolutely support the Bush.

942
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 6: That is the big difference. It's great when we do

943
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 6: have our union friends and our comrades helping us. We

944
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 6: absolutely acknowledge that help in election time. But when it

945
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 6: comes down to it, under evil LAWLA and our Territory

946
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 6: Labor government, we are a party and a team that

947
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 6: govern for Territorians, by Territorians, and not outside Queenland.

948
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a

949
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to Mix one O four

950
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: nine's three sixty Goodness, we're all a bit carried away

951
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: in the break there. It is only a couple of

952
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: minutes away from ten o'clock, so we don't have time

953
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: to talk about too much else. But I tell you what,

954
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: it has been a massive week and no doubt going

955
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: to be a very busy weekend. It's a futy finals time,

956
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: there's the Anti Swimming Championships on. There is a lot

957
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: going on, and we're also waiting to see if a

958
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: cyclone is on us. Yeah, so it's all go this weekend.

959
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's pretty much it for us this morning.

960
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: Josh Burgoyne here from Alice Springs. Mate, thank you so

961
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: much for your time, And I do want to just

962
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: point out that I know there is some concerning Alice

963
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: at the moment about the palis not outside the bottle

964
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: shops as well, or certainly the fact that they are

965
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: fast tracking through to become constables. That's a good move,

966
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: but really people quite worried about the fact that they're

967
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: no longer outside the bottle shops.

968
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's important for people to understand. With the restricted

969
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 4: areas we have in Alice, those police officers ensure that

970
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 4: if you're buying alcohol, you're not taking it back to

971
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 4: a restricted area Without them there, it means that people

972
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 4: can buy our coal and take them back to those

973
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 4: restricted areas. So it's a really important part of the

974
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: function of the system we have down Alis and without it,

975
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 4: where operators are hurting at the moment.

976
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. It is tough in that way. Well, Josh,

977
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: thanks so much for being here this morning. Really appreciate it. Keisie,

978
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: if you're at the Independent Member for Goider, thank you Katie. Ca.

979
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: Do you also want us to do a shout out

980
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: on Sunday there's a Black Dog ride bikes from I'm

981
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 3: not sure where they start, but they end at the

982
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 3: Nunamar Pub on Sunday, so the rides in the morning. Sadly,

983
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 3: over the last month in my elect I've lost two

984
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: fellows down the Elizabeth Valley Way, so this is timely

985
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: for you fellows and any men listening out there. If

986
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: you've got some issues that you know, just please talk

987
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: to someone. I even come to my office and I'll

988
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: help you. So it was very sad we lost both

989
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: jim and and Stevens. So if anyone can support the

990
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: Black Dog Ride or wants to take their bike for

991
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: a run, come down.

992
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 4: I've got it starting at the Beachfront Hotel there.

993
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff and a really really good course, a

994
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: really good thing to do. Selena who both thank you

995
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: so much for your time this morning.

996
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: Thank you Katie, and a big shout out to my crew.

997
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: My electorate.

998
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 6: I only have two communities out of my seventeen that

999
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 6: I can actually access by road because of all the

1000
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 6: rain that we're getting, which is fantastic. We're getting a

1001
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 6: fantastic wet season. But if it's flooded, please forget it.

1002
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 6: Do not cross our flooded rows. We don't want any

1003
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 6: of our territories or visitors to the territory in trouble.

1004
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 6: And we know our emergency responders, our first responders, also

1005
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 6: put themselves at risk if people make those silly decisions.

1006
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 6: So if it's flooded, please forget it and stay safe

1007
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 6: on our road, especially in the wet season.

1008
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 5: None of those communities by this time next week, if

1009
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 5: the forecast tracking map is right.

1010
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 6: I mean the goal is my you know, out to

1011
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 6: Nimboe and Gride Island. That's all in my elector to Arnhem.

1012
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 6: So I watched the weather very closely and the emergency response,

1013
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 6: and I know we've got some almost like advanced teams

1014
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 6: Katie that go into my electorate and sort out that

1015
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 6: local emergency management committee.

1016
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: So thank you to all those workers.

1017
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 6: There's volunteers, but public servants who do get themselves in

1018
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 6: that position to make sure other territories are safe absolutely.

1019
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you for your time

1020
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: this morning, mate.

1021
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 5: Thanks wol for and I would like to give a

1022
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 5: big shout out to Sergeant Chris Humphreys and Constable Mlac

1023
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 5: from Anti Police who were to us this week.

1024
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, good on them. Legends, absolute legends, working incredibly hard

1025
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: our Northern Territory police