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Speaker 1: This time for the week that was, and in the

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Speaker 2: She's here from Catherine.

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Speaker 1: It is Joe Hersey, the member for Katherine for the COLP.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Joe.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners. And a big shout

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Speaker 3: out to Catherine South Primary School this morning who have

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Speaker 4: So well done to those students.

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Speaker 1: All wonderful stuff. I've just come from Stuart Park Primary School.

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Speaker 1: A big shout out to them where they were announcing

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Speaker 1: their house captains. Where some great kids, including one of mine,

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Speaker 1: getting their their little badgers, so I know it's an

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Speaker 1: exciting day for all the kids when that happens. We

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Speaker 1: have got the well the Independent member for going to

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Speaker 1: Kezia Puric.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Morning Katie, Morning Bush people.

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Speaker 2: Lovely to have you on the show. We've got labours.

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Speaker 1: Joel Bowden, Good morning to you, Joel, the Member for Johnson.

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Speaker 6: Hell O Katie.

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Speaker 7: And a shout out to Bert's Coffee at Northflake Shopping

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Speaker 7: where I just got a coffee if doing the school

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Speaker 7: drop up. It was magnificent double shot late love coffee.

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Speaker 6: Bert.

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Speaker 5: I've got a dog called Bert, don't you how many dogs.

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Speaker 2: Have you got kids? Maybe don't tell us because you

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Speaker 2: like get in trouble with the council.

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Speaker 1: Look, it has been such a busy week. I say

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Speaker 1: that every single week, but I think as as the

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Speaker 1: election draws nearer, we know that it is always going

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Speaker 1: to be politically busy. But I have to tell you

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Speaker 1: this week the thing that really made headlines well yesterday

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Speaker 1: that they have arrested three youths aged twelve and thirteen

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Speaker 1: over a wild crime spree yesterday morning, with further arrests expected.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: It's alleged a group of youths stole two cars during

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Speaker 1: They're further accused of multiple break ins at homes and

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Speaker 1: businesses in Casarina and Fanny Bay. Now, Strikeforce Trident's Senior

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Speaker 1: will Detective Senior Sergeant Dale Matter Barnard had joined us

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Speaker 1: on the show yesterday and said that the trio were

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Speaker 1: deliberately targeting police. Well, the horrifying part is that they

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Speaker 1: you know, this whole situation I think is horrible for

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Speaker 1: it's at a time of the day where most families

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Speaker 1: are getting their kids off ready.

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Speaker 2: To school, you're heading off to work.

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Speaker 1: We'd actually been first contacted about it yesterday morning by

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, who witnessed it happening around the Nightcliff area

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Speaker 2: We'd spoken to him then.

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Speaker 1: As those details sort of started to flow through, and

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Speaker 1: we spoke to Dale Martter Barnard, who said that the

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Speaker 1: police cars had been deliberately targeted.

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Speaker 1: Quite a horrifying aspect of it. Then when you learn

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 7: And one, it's good that they've got them and that

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Speaker 7: they've now been detained, but it's outrageous that kids are

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Speaker 7: doing this, especially at that time. Right we all know

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Speaker 7: that we're going around between you know, seven thirty and

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Speaker 6: Our kids off.

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Speaker 7: The streets are busy, everyone's heading to work, so it's

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Speaker 3: Also, Katie, the alarming thing is that all these kids

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Speaker 4: To a responsible adult.

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Speaker 3: And I know year last week you had a conversation

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Speaker 4: But Joel, when the lady from I think.

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Speaker 3: It was a nightcliff sports club, the elderly senior was

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Speaker 3: that's not kids acting out. Kids acting out is I

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Speaker 3: they are ramming into police cars, which is totally unacceptable

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Speaker 6: Joe awful at the law.

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Speaker 3: But why are they being returned home to a responsible adult.

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Speaker 4: Why aren't they.

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Speaker 1: Doing in this instance, I think being kept in custody

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Speaker 2: But totally last week.

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Speaker 1: That was what we'd spoken about, Joe, where they had

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Speaker 1: the conversation that we were quite concerned with at that

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Speaker 1: is well, how come people are being bailed when they Well,

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Speaker 1: this is that the legislation allows it.

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Speaker 5: And I know that. I think the colp have got

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Speaker 5: Oh they've talked about changing the bail such this kind

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Speaker 5: of situation doesn't happen. But the fact remains. As a

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Speaker 2: He Martin Dole.

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Speaker 3: Martin Dole said, the police can only act within the parameters.

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Speaker 5: They've got a piece of legislation that they work with.

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Speaker 5: Like any piece of legislation, it's drafted, its past, it's debated.

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Speaker 4: That's what the law is and we know that. So

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Speaker 4: they're going within the law.

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Speaker 5: So these kids do offend, get charged, a bracelet put

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Speaker 2: Why because.

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Speaker 1: Time? Like is it time for the government. I know

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Speaker 1: you've got this review underway, but that ending at the

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Speaker 1: in line with the community's expectations. At the moment, I

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Speaker 1: take some further action. Now there they're saying, this isn't

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Speaker 1: good enough. We don't expect that if a child, you know,

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Speaker 1: Like to me, there's so many aspects of this where

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Speaker 1: doesn't give you a right to do whatever you like, Absolutely.

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Speaker 7: Not, and you have to abide by the law and

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Speaker 7: you can't take the law into your own hands. Now,

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Speaker 7: this group have been detained in a raman and I

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Speaker 7: think you said there's going to be further arrests to that,

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Speaker 7: as the Chief Minister, Evilaula has said that there will

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Speaker 7: be a real view into this. We are getting to

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Speaker 7: the very pointy end of the cycle, right, and I

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Speaker 6: So August is rapidly approaching that you could.

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Speaker 1: Literally call back parliament tomorrow, right, you could call it

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Speaker 1: back and go we urgently need to make some change

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Speaker 2: And that's where the community is.

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Speaker 1: At, rightly or wrongly, whether we want to believe it

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Speaker 1: mean then when you see these figures come out to

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Speaker 1: written questions, I believe that the COLP had asked Joe

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Speaker 1: where this issue of repeat offending is now on the record.

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Speaker 1: With this new data revealing that seventeen alleged you defender

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Speaker 1: aged under twelve were bailed one hundred times during the

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Speaker 1: twelve months to the thirtieth of September twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: so among them, nine were rearrested while out on bail.

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Speaker 1: Further stats have shown that six hundred and forty six

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Speaker 1: Now I've got a kid that's twelve, Joel, I reckon,

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Speaker 3: The thing is, Katie, the time for review is over

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Speaker 1: You know, someone needs to happen here. I mean, is

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Speaker 5: For my recollection and understanding, Yes, the BARLAC needs to

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Speaker 5: But yes, I think the BAILAC needs to be seriously

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Speaker 6: And it's also within the Youth Justice Actor as well.

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Speaker 7: To be clear, there's a Youth Justice and there's also

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Speaker 7: the BAILAC and the presumption against all full bail depending

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Speaker 5: And these children, these young people are not going they're

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Speaker 5: not getting any what's the word, they're not addressing the issues, like,

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Speaker 5: they're not going into any programs.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm literally being told that they're saying to the cops,

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Speaker 1: you can't do anything to me.

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what I'm hearing Katie as well in Catherine.

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Speaker 3: And I know there's youth in Catherine that one youth

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Speaker 3: he's breached his bail three times, he's got an ankle bracelet,

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Speaker 3: he's attempting to be re engaged back in school.

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Speaker 4: And I would say, where is the support?

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Speaker 3: No one wants to see these kids be thrown in

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Speaker 3: don't just turn up at ten as a criminal. That

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Speaker 3: there is you know, from birth and from when they

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Speaker 3: by the attendance officers, which we will bring back truancy officers.

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Speaker 3: So there will be consequences for parents that do not

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Speaker 3: send their children to school, because we know that that

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Speaker 6: How many truth there needs to be? How many?

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Speaker 5: I think you should bring back the school based constables.

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Speaker 7: How many where across the entire Nolan territory you bring back?

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Speaker 7: How many truant the officers.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's something that we will look at.

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Speaker 7: But surely you've done the numbers. Sure you've got a

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Speaker 7: padded paper in front of you. Surely you've got the

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Speaker 7: number of how many truancy officers you will bring back.

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Speaker 4: Charl What we're talking about is the lack of consequences.

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Speaker 6: You've just said truancy officers.

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Speaker 7: Just tell how many truancy officers you will bring back

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Speaker 7: and which regions.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think you know at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, the CLP you are going to have to

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Speaker 1: start answering some of those questions. You know. It's it's

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Speaker 1: If I've got any chance of being re elected, the

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Speaker 7: Yes, Katie and I've just been in our springs. We've

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Speaker 7: And so if you go to an example like a

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Speaker 5: Where do they get pulled.

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Speaker 6: They go to territory families. Within the care of territory families.

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Speaker 3: And look, it's the key there Farmerston and Alice Springs

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Speaker 5: One of the things my constituents have told me, of

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Speaker 5: So they are consequences. But what I'm hearing is that

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Speaker 1: Something has to change, and it's got to change really quickly.

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Speaker 1: I think that what we've got in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 6: Arrested undred times. But address when you.

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Speaker 1: Look at it like that, and when you look at

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you've just joined

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Speaker 1: But look, I do want to go to the explosive

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Force has an ingrained culture of racism.

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Speaker 1: He told the court that racist language was commonplace throughout

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Speaker 1: that the Tactical Response Group held an annual party where

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Speaker 1: brass have refuted those claims that the unit handed out

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Speaker 1: that award. While apologizing for any offense caused. They said

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Speaker 1: It was called something else from what he had said. Look,

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly wash has or has not been said,

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Speaker 2: He said that as far as.

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Speaker 1: He was aware, it was not you know, like, that

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Speaker 5: Well, I'd be interested to know what there were the

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Speaker 3: I think also we need to realize that, you know,

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Speaker 7: I think Michael Murphy, Police Commissioner has already stated that

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Speaker 6: Katie.

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Speaker 7: I grew up in our springs in the eighties and

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Speaker 6: But quite simply, racism shouldn't be tolerate.

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Speaker 7: We live in a wonderful, multicopt community and just go

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Speaker 7: So I just think we need to stamp this out

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Speaker 5: I think. I mean, if the allegations are correct, then

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Speaker 1: I mean, the officers have come out and strongly refused

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Speaker 5: Well, how is it that one person says this is

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Speaker 5: From my observations here in the territory, I personally have

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Speaker 1: Well, look, there has been so much go on this

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Speaker 2: Pathway to become constables.

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Speaker 1: So those palies that are currently working in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 2: What we're concerned is.

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Speaker 1: It's going to mean is that when the palies go

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Speaker 5: do I have to don't?

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Speaker 2: That's your choice, your choice.

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Speaker 7: This is a transition. If you're if you're currently a pally,

445
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Speaker 7: then you can transition with training, suitable training, into being

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Speaker 7: a constable.

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Speaker 6: There will still be paleis on.

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Speaker 7: Bottle shops, Alice rings Catherine coming from so as they're training,

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Speaker 7: they can do dual roles.

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Speaker 6: So that's a good thing about this.

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Speaker 7: I'll be able to actually transition while they're doing their

452
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Speaker 7: current role and transitioning to become able.

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Speaker 3: You're more police that's going on the palis will still

454
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Speaker 3: be on the bottle shops because that's my concern for

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Speaker 3: the likes of Tenant Creek, Allison.

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Speaker 6: So it will still will doing that job. Tennant Creek is.

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Speaker 1: Going to be comfortable so many so it's fast track

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Speaker 1: training of thirty two. Now. My understanding from what we

459
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Speaker 1: were told yesterday by Nathan Finn and I am remembering this,

460
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Speaker 1: I don't have the nights in front of me, but

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Speaker 1: my understanding was that we've got twenty eight in Alice.

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Speaker 1: His worry was that if they're all then going off

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Speaker 1: and training and then actually move into that constable role,

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Speaker 1: that we don't have them on bottle shops.

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Speaker 7: As recruiting in the police, yeah, it takes time. So

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Speaker 7: the recruiting is now being enhanced by the opportunity for Pelice.

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Speaker 1: So you don't reckon there's going to be any period

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Speaker 1: of time where there'll be where there will be a

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Speaker 1: short fall.

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Speaker 7: Well, we have a shortfall in police currently, which is

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Speaker 7: why we're trying to transition to Palie to Cossles. The

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Speaker 7: Police Commissioner and the Police Minister, Brent Potter have have

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Speaker 7: assured me and and others that there will still be

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Speaker 7: palis on bottleshops.

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Speaker 1: He said yesterday there would only be two palis left

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 3: So in Catherine, I can give you an example. There

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Speaker 3: are not palis all the time on bottle shops. I

479
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Speaker 3: went to a liquor record meeting a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: I know there are not palis all the time on

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Speaker 3: bottle shops. And in actual fact, there is a WhatsApp

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Speaker 3: group where people actually say where the palis are not

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Speaker 3: is actually where you can go?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is.

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Speaker 3: A concern because you know, if we don't if we

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Speaker 3: don't have a pali on the bottle shop, that's you know,

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Speaker 3: unless they're on the band drinking register.

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Speaker 4: You can go and buy whatever you like. So you know,

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Speaker 4: for the for the community, that's not correct.

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Speaker 7: If you can't go and buy whatever you like, that's

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Speaker 7: that's the way we know that you can't do that.

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Speaker 7: So you just said that that's not.

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Speaker 4: Bottom is not and there is not on the bottle shops.

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Speaker 3: The police commissioner has said, I'm telling you firsthand, you

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Speaker 3: don't live there, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Really get to the bottom of this though, literally the

497
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Speaker 1: police Association are the ones saying to us that there

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Speaker 1: is going to be only two palis left in Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs with this, with this pathway from Palis to Constables.

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Speaker 1: So that in itself praises a concern, right if there

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Speaker 1: is going to be a drawback of those palies. And

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Speaker 1: I get that you want to give people career pathways.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's a fabulous idea, absolutely, but you

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Speaker 1: do want to make sure that you've also got others

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Speaker 1: sort of filling those roles, particularly in a week where

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Speaker 1: we've got the likes of Tourism Central Australia calling for

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Speaker 1: those alcohol bands to be.

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Speaker 6: Lifted all the time.

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Speaker 1: But all that's going to take time, right, All that's

510
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Speaker 1: going to take time. While at the same time you've

511
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Speaker 1: got the head of Tourism Central Australia after the Tourism

512
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Speaker 1: Body wrote to the government requesting the alcohol restrictions implemented

513
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Speaker 1: last year be relaxed. So he told us on the

514
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Speaker 1: show yesterday that it is having quite a large impact

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Speaker 1: on different businesses that Monday, as we know, Mondays and

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Speaker 1: Tuesdays and limited trading hours then on from three to

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Speaker 1: seven on the other days. He said that it is

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Speaker 1: having an impact that it is one of the biggest issues.

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Speaker 1: The biggest is still crime in terms of the reduction

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Speaker 1: in those tourism in tourism numbers. Now, Joel, that's your

521
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Speaker 1: portfolio now, I mean, how do you juggle this right?

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Speaker 1: When you when I get what the government's trying to

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Speaker 1: do to provide that pathway for our palies to constables.

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Speaker 1: But then if you don't have those palis or you

525
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Speaker 1: don't have enough on the bottle shops, how do you

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Speaker 1: then even look back, like look at drawing back those

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Speaker 1: alcohol restrictions in any way.

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Speaker 7: So it's a very difficult balancing you're doing here on radio. Okay,

529
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Speaker 7: you've got your hands going up and down. I mean

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Speaker 7: the listeners probably, that's right. We're trying to balance it,

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Speaker 7: you know, Brent Potters, the minut for Alcohol and the

532
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Speaker 7: Cabinet is working together to try and balance all these

533
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Speaker 7: competing interests. Of Now there's a police review that's going

534
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Speaker 7: to come out very soon. It will be no surprise

535
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Speaker 7: if it comes out and says we need more resources,

536
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Speaker 7: because I think and what we're trying to do is

537
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Speaker 7: create more resources through an existing stream, which is the

538
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Speaker 7: palice who can transition to constables and that's a career

539
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Speaker 7: progression and also a retention while we train. I did

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Speaker 7: meet with Tourism Central Australia while I was in Al

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Speaker 7: Springs earlier this week and they've put forward their position.

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Speaker 7: So then we balance it up because we know alcohol

543
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Speaker 7: fueled violence, alcohol fueled disadvantage and disruption in the community

544
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Speaker 7: is one of our biggest issues. So we're trying to

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Speaker 7: balance all that up and have a look at it now.

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Speaker 7: My father in the early eighties and nineties was dealing

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Speaker 7: with alcohol fuel violence and disadvantage in our spries. We're

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Speaker 7: still dealing with it and it is that balancing act

549
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Speaker 7: that we're trying to get.

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Speaker 6: Right around the decade as best wea You have to.

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Speaker 1: Say those things have escalated over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: Like I think if you live in Ella Springs right now,

553
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Speaker 1: you would say that things have escalated over the eighties.

554
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Speaker 1: And it was there in the early two thousands and

555
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Speaker 1: it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: Like this, no more than any other town around the

557
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Speaker 5: country that getting back to the palis not being on

558
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Speaker 5: the bottle shops.

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Speaker 6: They will be on the model sheep there members they

560
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Speaker 6: will be on.

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Speaker 2: This is what Nathan fin say to.

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Speaker 4: Going to be.

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Speaker 6: Commissioner responsible for the shop.

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Speaker 1: My understanding, My understanding is that what had actually been

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Speaker 1: said during the week is that there will be licensing,

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Speaker 1: that there will actually be licensing people that go on

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Speaker 1: to some of those bottle strips.

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Speaker 2: And I'm happy to be corrected from.

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Speaker 7: The commission part of the Police Minister will be on

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Speaker 7: this program Monday. I believe the Police Commissioner has already

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Speaker 7: said there will be palis on bottle shops.

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Speaker 4: Where are you?

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Speaker 2: Where are they coming from?

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Speaker 1: Though, that's the thing that the train and existing palis that.

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Speaker 6: We exist for last run.

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Speaker 1: We have been getting told though I will I'm going

577
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Speaker 1: to step up here because we've been getting told by

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Speaker 1: the Police Association for quite some time that we don't

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Speaker 1: have enough palies.

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Speaker 2: Right, so if we don't have enough palies.

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Speaker 1: And again I will say, I think it's a good

582
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Speaker 1: move to have them moving into the constable roles, but

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Speaker 1: you've got to replace them if you're going to keep

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Speaker 1: these alcohol restrictions in place, or if you're going to

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Speaker 1: keep things you know, calm.

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Speaker 7: You got, So we've got to recruit more and then

587
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Speaker 7: we're transitioning.

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Speaker 6: And then it's also a retention.

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Speaker 1: Are you worried though, that there is going to be

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Speaker 1: a period of time where we do not have the

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Speaker 1: level of palis that are required.

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Speaker 7: I have great faith in the Police Commissioner, mister Murphy,

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Speaker 7: and he has said that there will be palis on

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Speaker 7: bottle shops. Now he and his team run the rostering

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Speaker 7: system for police. I'm going to trust the Police Commissioner.

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Speaker 1: Well. Look, I think though, what I'm starting to see

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Speaker 1: from the Northern Territory government is announcements made that impact

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Speaker 1: the police, but not necessarily you know, like then a

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Speaker 1: kind of a bit of a it feels like sometimes

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Speaker 1: a bit of a thawing them under the bus, you know,

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Speaker 1: like even at the end of last year when we

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Speaker 1: saw the changes to.

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Speaker 5: The concept, well the changes government.

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Speaker 1: A yeah, well that's you know, they're the questions I

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Speaker 1: suppose that need to be to be.

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Speaker 6: Out throughout consultation with all But even last.

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Speaker 3: Mirror's thing, ooh, Katie, because Joel's sitting here saying we're

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Speaker 3: going to have palis on bottle shops, I'm telling you categorically,

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Speaker 3: and Catherine, we do not have palis on bottle shops

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Speaker 3: all the time. So the question is if it is

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Speaker 3: going to be licensing inspectors there. They don't have the

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Speaker 3: same powers as the Pali.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think it's a fair question to ask, and

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Speaker 1: we have got the Minister for Police on the show

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Speaker 1: on Monday morning, so we'll certainly put that to him.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a really quick break when we come back.

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Speaker 1: There's still a lot to cover off on middle school

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Speaker 1: changes as well as the latest shares fiasco.

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Speaker 2: Plenty to cover off on this morning.

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Speaker 1: Right here on Mix one O four nine's three sixty

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Speaker 1: you are listening to the week that was in the

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Speaker 1: studio this morning. We have got Joe Hersey, Keesyer, Puican,

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Speaker 1: Joel Bowden and well there just what I thought the

624
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Speaker 1: shares scandal was behind us. It was revealed earlier in

625
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Speaker 1: the week that Brent Potter is the latest to defend

626
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Speaker 1: his shareholding in a company behind a major prawn farm

627
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Speaker 1: project in the territory. He bought eight seven hundred shares

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Speaker 1: in Sea Farms in June twenty twenty one while working

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Speaker 1: for the then Aquaculture Minister Nicole Madison, claiming that he

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Speaker 1: declared them after being elected as the Member for Fanny Bay.

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Speaker 1: Now he says he sold them in November last year

632
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Speaker 1: upon becoming minister and denies that he had knowledge of

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government's fifty six million dollar investment in

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Speaker 1: Rhodes to support the project.

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Speaker 2: Now, somebody had.

636
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Speaker 1: Said to me throughout the week, Okadie, if he had

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Speaker 1: any knowledge, he may not have purchased those shares. But

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Speaker 1: you know, who knows exactly what the thinking was he did.

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Speaker 5: From what I understand what I've read, Yes, he got elected,

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Speaker 5: Yes he declared, because that's what we do, you know,

641
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Speaker 5: we declare our financial interests. But he was in the

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Speaker 5: minister's office and so he would have been aware when

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Speaker 5: you know, the company approached the territory. He wanted to

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Speaker 5: do what the company did. But having said that, because

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Speaker 5: he worked in the minister's office doesn't mean he was

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Speaker 5: pacifically privy to commercial in confidence discussions with the minister.

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Speaker 1: It never looks good, though, right, It never looks good

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Speaker 1: and it does make people sort of go, well, what

649
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Speaker 1: did you know?

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Speaker 2: What else did you know?

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Speaker 1: And again, well, one of our listeners actually raised the

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Speaker 1: point earlier in the week, and I thought it was

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Speaker 1: an interesting one.

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Speaker 2: They were like Katie, sometimes seeing.

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Speaker 1: Your bureaucrats as well, will know different bits of information

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Speaker 1: I mean as anybody keeping an eye on those kinds

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Speaker 1: of shares.

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Speaker 5: Okay, do you look at look at mining shares. You know,

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Speaker 5: you mining shares. You got your industrials, all right, So

660
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Speaker 5: mining companies come, they report their results of expiration to

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Speaker 5: the government.

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Speaker 7: The government knows to report to the AX, right, so

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Speaker 7: all listed companies have to report to the AX.

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Speaker 5: So you could say people within the Broader Minds Department

665
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Speaker 5: know intimately how well companies are doing on the ground.

666
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Speaker 5: But you're right, bureaucrats at higher levels could also be

667
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Speaker 5: privy to, you know, special information from industry or companies

668
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Speaker 5: or whatever.

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Speaker 3: And it's just interesting they have another week and integrity crisis,

670
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Speaker 3: you know, when they actually came government saying that, you know,

671
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Speaker 3: they were going to be the Party of Integrity.

672
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Speaker 7: And he did declare him as a ministerial adviser. Now

673
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Speaker 7: I've never been a ministerial advisor, but I wouldn't have

674
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Speaker 7: even thought about that, that you had to declare all

675
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Speaker 7: your holdings as an advisor.

676
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Speaker 6: But he did that.

677
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Speaker 7: When he was an advisor. He sold him off and

678
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Speaker 7: as we've seen, it's public didn't make a cracker out

679
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Speaker 7: of it. Like that's that's the other part lost lost

680
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Speaker 7: pretty much all of them.

681
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Speaker 1: But the point is that doesn't you know, like that's

682
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Speaker 1: neither here nor there is it, you know, whether you're

683
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Speaker 1: making like it's a perception. You know, Barrio Farrell fell

684
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Speaker 1: on his sword many years ago the New Southwest because

685
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Speaker 1: he didn't declare a.

686
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Speaker 6: Bottle of bottle of grain.

687
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Speaker 1: You know, it was an expensive bottle of wine, but

688
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Speaker 1: it was a bottle of wine.

689
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Speaker 2: You know, we saw we saw Files, well.

690
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Speaker 1: We saw Natasha Files obviously fall on her sword, you know,

691
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Speaker 1: towards the end of last year. And but what's been

692
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Speaker 1: interesting is that the then the tact from the others

693
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: has been so different. You know, like she's obviously gone

694
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Speaker 1: all right, and I get that there was different reasons

695
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Speaker 1: behind it, and that there was the Shared scandal and

696
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: then there was the Second Shares scandal, but she'd sort

697
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Speaker 1: of treated it very differently and said all right, well

698
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Speaker 1: this is it.

699
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Speaker 5: You know, she also in a higher level, she wasn't

700
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Speaker 5: the Chief Minister of the Northern or yeah, a higher

701
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 5: level of expectation.

702
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Speaker 1: But I don't know, like I don't know, do we

703
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: just sort of go okay, well we accept that.

704
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: You know that both Chancey and Brent had these.

705
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: Shares, they sold them off, They've declared them, they've sold

706
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: them off, whether there was discussions made in front of them,

707
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: you know. With Chancey, I think there is still those

708
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: questions about whether he actually declared it during or before

709
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: any cabinet meetings. But there is still this, you know,

710
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: this dark cloud over these issues, whether people sort of

711
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: want to believe it or not. I can see it

712
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: on the text line every day. People are going, I

713
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: don't believe it. It's dishonest.

714
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Speaker 6: Okay.

715
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 7: What evil Al has implemented is a Kathleen Robinson thorough

716
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Speaker 7: forensic review to have a look at all these things.

717
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 4: Another review.

718
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: Here we go, We're eight years in another review, a

719
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Speaker 3: review of a review.

720
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Speaker 6: What seriously he's doing.

721
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 7: And she's looking at the fact that you have to

722
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 7: report and declared to three different bodies, and I've done.

723
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 7: When I came into the cabinet, I had to write out,

724
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 7: like my family members, my daughter, the relationship between myself

725
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 7: and my daughter who works at Ken's Crapes.

726
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 6: I have to declare that.

727
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 7: So if I go to Ken's Crapes down at East

728
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 7: Point on a Sunday morning, which is beautiful, if.

729
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 6: My daughter gives me a free crepe. Do I need

730
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Speaker 6: to declare that? Do you know what I mean? That's

731
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Speaker 6: to the minu Sure, And it's.

732
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Speaker 1: Really tough, right, I get it, because there's a fine

733
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Speaker 1: line between wanting people that you know, that are savvy

734
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Speaker 1: with their finances and that are you know, doing these

735
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: kinds of things to enter politics. But the really fine line,

736
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: I think is if there are decisions being made where

737
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: you've got any kind of inside knowledge, that is when

738
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: it potentially becomes an issue. Or if there are decisions

739
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: being made that your you know, your decision making process

740
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: may be impacted in any way, shape or form because

741
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: you have shares.

742
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Speaker 2: In an organization pilate.

743
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 5: Sector is illegal.

744
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: Well yeah, absolutely, yeah, And look, I'm not saying that,

745
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know to what degree anyone's known

746
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: anything at this point, but I guess you know, the

747
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: thing is that there is still this cloud over all

748
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Speaker 1: of the shares, Katie.

749
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Speaker 3: That's why you know, we have been very vocal on

750
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Speaker 3: divesting of shares. We are not in decision making in opposition,

751
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: but you know, should we have the privilege of being

752
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: in government. In August, we have gone into the process

753
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Speaker 3: of divesting all shares to make sure that it is

754
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: clear cut and we're ready to go.

755
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: Look, let's move along to another topic. Now, this was

756
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: one that sort of fell under the radar to some

757
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: degree early yesterday, and that is the fact that a

758
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: review into secondary education is actually recommended replacing middle schooling

759
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Speaker 1: with a more comprehensive secondary school model. So the Northern

760
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 1: Territory government said that it's accepted all fifteen recommendations of

761
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: the review, conducted by Deloitte and Charles Dalwin UNI. A

762
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: secondary school model is pitched to increase support, improve attendance

763
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Speaker 1: and boost the number of students completing year twelve. So

764
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Speaker 1: the review also suggests regional support for schools to provide

765
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Speaker 1: pathways to work, experience and vocational education and training. It

766
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Speaker 1: is an interesting one. I mean, middle school. It doesn't

767
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Speaker 1: seem like it doesn't happen anywhere else. I don't think

768
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Speaker 1: every time I'm in Queensland or whenever I'm somewhere else,

769
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: some location. Yeah it is country, but you know it is.

770
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Speaker 1: I suppose it's something that I found quite funny in

771
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Speaker 1: the territory. After growing up in Queensland, where I thought, oh,

772
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Speaker 1: middle school, I didn't realize that there was you know

773
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Speaker 1: that there was sort of such a thing.

774
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 5: I've never fully understood the educational merits and benefits of

775
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 5: a middle school. I mean, yeah, primary school one to seven,

776
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 5: high school one to five was what we all probably

777
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 5: went through, you know, and a whole generation has gone

778
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 5: through that system and it seemed to work. Okay. Sure,

779
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 5: there's people who will fall through the cracks for lots

780
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 5: of reasons, you know, system failures, you know, school failures, whatever. Yeah,

781
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 5: but the bulk of people came out of that system

782
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 5: quite okay. We're all sitting here a product of that system.

783
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 5: And middle school what year seven, So you've got about

784
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Speaker 5: twelve year old to a fifteen sixteen year old? Fifteen

785
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 5: sixteen year olds so terrible.

786
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm told it's a difficult age, right, you're putting them

787
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: in charge of It's a difficult age, and it's a

788
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: difficult age to not have those older role models I

789
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: think above you as well, like in year eleven and

790
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: year twelve.

791
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Speaker 7: That's interesting because I've got a fifteen year old boy

792
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 7: and he will hate for me for talking about him already,

793
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 7: but fortunately fortunately he's at school, he's out of lock

794
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 7: and Catholic College and they go seven to twelve. So

795
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 7: at fifteen years old in year ten, he's got two

796
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 7: classes above him, and he has to model himself around

797
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 7: those older kids in the school, and they've all got

798
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 7: height and weight and size on him just for a

799
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 7: physical part. They've all got more learning, more understanding experience,

800
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 7: and so he's managed himself as a fifteen year old

801
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 7: boy going through the changes in his body and his

802
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 7: brain and everything.

803
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 6: He's in that environment. So I'm actually for this.

804
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 7: It's a good idea time as a transition. It won't

805
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 7: be too bumpy. There'll be a transition over the next

806
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 7: few years, and we'll go back back to the model

807
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 7: that the Keysy is talking about, back to a model,

808
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 7: but that's a model that's also existing here at the

809
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 7: moment with my kids college.

810
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: How long do you reckon it's going to take, though,

811
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: to sort of transition from the middle school and high

812
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: school model that we've currently got to it all just

813
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: being cohesive together.

814
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 6: I think a few years.

815
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 7: So I'm not across the total is because some schools

816
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 7: will be different to the others, right, So our school

817
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 7: in let's say, Alice Springs will be different to a

818
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 7: school in Dawen, just depending on their makeup and how

819
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 7: they can transits.

820
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: The government anticipated that it's going to be a costly

821
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: exercise to transition it.

822
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 6: That way, not at this stage, right.

823
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's going to be expensive to do.

824
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: I think the infrastructure is probably okay.

825
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing.

826
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got all you would suspect that you've

827
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: got all the infrastructure. We know how many kids we've got,

828
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: But it's more I guess just making sure that transitions Katie.

829
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: You know again this just goes back to at the

830
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: time in two thousand and six when Clare Martin boarded in.

831
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Speaker 3: We seal p did not agree with that at the time.

832
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: We've now had Eva Lawla who is now the Chief Minister.

833
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: She was the Education Minister. Now we've got Mark Monaghan

834
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: and you know we've seen declining attendance, we've seen declining

835
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: nap land that I would give the Chief Minister a

836
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 3: big f on her report card of education.

837
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 6: So the thing you agree with the changing and bringing

838
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 6: them in.

839
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Speaker 2: There years to become a journeys.

840
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: Have lots of.

841
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 7: Questions motherhood's statements reading off a powder paper that she's

842
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 7: got pre stuff and won't answer a question and.

843
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 6: Maybe I will become a journalist later.

844
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 7: But if the member for Catherine can't answer a question,

845
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 7: just makes do support the changes from middle school going back.

846
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: Into so that you guys have like that, there's been

847
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: some areas where there are some serious concerns in education at.

848
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: That it's fair enough to raise it.

849
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 4: And charing in high school.

850
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Speaker 3: Now, many years ago, when my oldest son who's now

851
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: twenty eight went to school, he went to seven, eight nine,

852
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: there was a middle school there I can't remember how

853
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: many years ago that was disassembled and you know it's

854
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: just integrated into the broader school now. So obviously at

855
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: Catherine High School they realized that it wasn't working. Then

856
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: what we've seen is over the last eight years, I'm

857
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: pretty sure you didn't need a review to work that out.

858
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 3: There's been you know, I've heard yesterday there was teachers

859
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: in education that so that she wouldn't have done it

860
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: to start off with, what's.

861
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 6: Your position now? Disagree?

862
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is what we have said is that schools,

863
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: those kids need to see the role models that we've

864
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: spoken about, so there needs to be better support in

865
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: getting kids to school. We would bring back truancy offices.

866
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: So that then there would be in the school based.

867
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 4: Costs a very how much would cost So I'm not

868
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: giving you the numbers here right now.

869
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 8: Still, well, let's be respect please, actually, let's make sure

870
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 8: that we are respectful towards each other, because it's starting

871
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 8: to get a bit lucky to be honest.

872
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 5: Easier otherwise, you know what happens on farms. People are naughty.

873
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 5: All I was going to comment on was the feedback,

874
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 5: the and the engagement I have with teachers, which is

875
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 5: to mim in because that's the only place no saplas

876
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 5: middle school sort of is they're not really comfortable with

877
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 5: middle school because that's where they get locked into, you know,

878
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 5: and so that's the only area they teach. Whereas if

879
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 5: you had a comprehensive you back to the one you know,

880
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 5: you one to year five whatever is, the teachers can

881
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 5: spread across, you know, the five years of secondary school

882
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 5: and engaged with students who really do want to learn.

883
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Speaker 5: I mean, let's be honest. Half some schools, you know,

884
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 5: any class, we've all been through it. You know, there's

885
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 5: students who just want to learn, they just want to

886
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 5: get on and whatever, and then there's those who don't.

887
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 5: But they can be dealt with, but the teachers are

888
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 5: the ones that have been frustrated in the middle school system.

889
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's a good thing.

890
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: I do think it's a good thing to go back

891
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: to in my opinion, for the reasons that we've spoken

892
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: about in terms of having those older role models. I've

893
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: even been told though at different schools as well in

894
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: middle school that sometimes the kids are not even really

895
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: wanting to put their hands up to be captains and

896
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: things like that because it's quite a difficult age, I suppose.

897
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: So I do think that it's potentially a good thing.

898
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 5: What what I've observed it to me. Man, you know,

899
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 5: you get the kids who they're probably some might be

900
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 5: eleven or twelve, yeah, mostly twelve, but they're very young

901
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 5: and they're put into a big campus with big kids.

902
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 5: And as Joel said, you know, if you're looking at

903
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 5: the boys, you know they're strong. They sure some of

904
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 5: them are just look like adults, especially the young fellows.

905
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 4: The other thing, Katie, we need.

906
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Speaker 5: To look at it that has that can have potential

907
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Speaker 5: implications for social engagement. That's the positive and also the negative.

908
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've got I mean, we've got to make

909
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: sure we get it right.

910
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: I think, Katie, when I'm talking to teachers. You know,

911
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: in my community, there's the curriculum needs to be decluttered.

912
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: We need to get back to basics of reading, writing,

913
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: and you know, marimatics, arithmetic, yes, casier, you know, So

914
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: making sure that we get the basics so that these

915
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 3: children go on to become better learners, leave school knowing

916
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: the basics, to be able to get a job and

917
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: be you know, upstanding members of society and get a job.

918
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 4: You know that that's the most important thing.

919
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you want people to leave school and be able

920
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: to flourish.

921
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: Hopefully, we are going.

922
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: To have to take a bit of a break when

923
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: we come back, keen to talk about all these candidates

924
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: that have been announced over the last week that's coming

925
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: your way right here on mix. If you've just joined us,

926
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: well you've missed out on quite a cracking hour. Joel

927
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: Boden Kesi Apurican Joe Hersey in the studio.

928
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 2: But look, before I let you all go, there has.

929
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: Been quite a few announcements made this week when it

930
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Speaker 1: comes to candidates who are going to be running at

931
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: the August election.

932
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: And we know that there's now.

933
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Speaker 1: Going to be an independent running in the seat of

934
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Speaker 1: goid A stad Wilyn Nicolestad.

935
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 5: Yes, I think she's a good candidate. She's prepared to

936
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 5: put her hand up to run for public office, so

937
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Speaker 5: good for her and I'm happy to support her. I

938
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Speaker 5: think she'll do well for the rule there with her

939
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 5: you know, her background and just the way she goes

940
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Speaker 5: about life.

941
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Well, she's not the only one we know that there is,

942
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Speaker 1: there's members, you know, there's obviously plenty of people putting

943
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: their hands up. The Greens have announced a couple as

944
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: well or a few. Suki Duras Walker is going to

945
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: be running in Fanny Bay. Kat macnamara a vying for Nightcliffe.

946
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: I'd tell it Nightcliff's going to be interesting for the

947
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Speaker 1: former Chief Minister.

948
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Speaker 5: I'll win, should be hard to beat there.

949
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: You know, she won I think with the largest majority

950
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: at the last election. But I do think it's going

951
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: to make things interesting with with Helen secretary and also

952
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: of course with the Greens candidate.

953
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: It's going to be.

954
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 4: Strong candidate, you know.

955
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot good group of diverse people can

956
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: hand up.

957
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robin's a very impressive person, very impressive in the

958
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: different roles that she said I mean there's plenty of

959
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: Like there is quite a few people Joel who's running

960
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: for Port Darwin do we know yet?

961
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: For the Labor Party.

962
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 6: Who don't know yet, But I can make one announcement.

963
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 6: I'm running for Johnston. Joel out for Johnston.

964
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Speaker 7: Was in one glory And I want to commend anyone

965
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 7: who will put their hand into because it's not for everyone.

966
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 6: And a lot of people look at it and they

967
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 6: go get a bit dewey, don't dewey, and they get

968
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: they recoil and sort of walk out the back door.

969
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 7: And it is. It is a really fulfilling life. But

970
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 7: it can be hard work and it can be tough,

971
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 7: and you have to do things like this. You have

972
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 7: to put yourself out there and you have to have

973
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Speaker 7: people go through whatever it is that you've got in

974
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Speaker 7: your life like we've seen recently and be uh scrutinized

975
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Speaker 7: and ridiculed my whole life.

976
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we all.

977
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Speaker 1: I think it's an incredibly important thing to do. And

978
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Speaker 1: I would actually encourage anybody, you know, if you're out

979
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: there listening, think that's right.

980
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

981
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Speaker 5: And I've had a couple of well actually i've had

982
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Speaker 5: a couple of two fellas contact me and one came

983
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Speaker 5: in to have a chat because he's semi interested in

984
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Speaker 5: what's happening. And it's I expect probably apart from the

985
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Speaker 5: major parties COLP and Labor Party putting up candidates and

986
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Speaker 5: Belinda as an independent, I'll be expecting about another two

987
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Speaker 5: to three independence because it's no incumbency.

988
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's the.

989
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Speaker 5: Same as perhaps in Onenguri, although that's a different demographics.

990
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 5: But where there's no incombency Port Darwin, that's where people

991
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Speaker 5: think I can.

992
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: Have a guy.

993
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Speaker 5: This is because I'm not competing against the sitting member,

994
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Speaker 5: but am with you Katie. Like if people are prepared

995
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Speaker 5: to have a go and they are genuinely interested rather

996
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 5: than just full of self ego or ego and self confident,

997
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 5: knockdown real fast, especially out in the rural area.

998
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Speaker 3: I think it's really I think it's really exciting connection.

999
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be tight, and we're as

1000
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Speaker 3: in opposition, are out there working hard and it was

1001
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Speaker 3: really great to see a diverse group of candidates come

1002
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Speaker 3: forward and be pre selected and I really look forward

1003
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Speaker 3: to working with them out on the ground.

1004
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Speaker 2: It's going to be an interesting year. There is no

1005
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Speaker 2: doubt about that goal.

1006
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Speaker 5: But I've still got my money on the sealp to win.

1007
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 5: Even though the odds of the bookies are still with

1008
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Speaker 5: you guys to win.

1009
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Speaker 4: I'm still putting my money on the seal.

1010
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Speaker 7: I'm going to say this because you don't bet, never bet,

1011
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 7: because the house always wins. Keep your money in your podcast,

1012
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 7: don't waste it on gambling.

1013
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: I have one politic more responsibly.

1014
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 5: That's right.

1015
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: We are going to have to wrap up for the morning.

1016
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: Joe Hersey, the COLPS member for Catherine, thank you so

1017
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

1018
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Speaker 4: Thanks Katie, and thanks Catherine.

1019
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: And Kisi Puic, the member for Goider.

1020
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Speaker 5: Thanks Katie, thanks so much. Good weekend for Bush people.

1021
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 5: I hope for everybody they're mowing your lawns, paddicks about them.

1022
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Speaker 2: The Minister for Well for Business, Jobs and Planning, and

1023
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Speaker 2: the member for Johnson, thank you.

1024
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 6: Can I just say congratulations the keys you.

1025
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Speaker 7: I may not see you again on the week that

1026
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 7: was fantastic career politics, maybe not in this setting you

1027
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Speaker 7: ladies and gentlemen, boy and girls. The footy finals are

1028
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Speaker 7: on ETFL this weekend. Get down to the Marara Saturday Sunday.

1029
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 7: There will be Footy finals on weekend. The biggest game

1030
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 7: of the night is Saturday Night Night Tigers versus Saints.

1031
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 6: Let's see how it goes.

1032
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 7: Tigers will win, Joseph, Tigers will come, They will clall

1033
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Speaker 7: their way to victory.

1034
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Speaker 2: You have been listening to the week that was