1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety four, Victoria Adams answered a call out 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: in a magazine looking for a new girl band. While 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: her voice needed work, she had the IP factor, with 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: management praising her grace and sophistication. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: And I wanted to sing and dance, but again I 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: wasn't the best. It was always just about working really, 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: really hard. 8 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: From there, The Spice Girls was born and Victoria shot 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: to international fame as posh Spice. Renowned for her strict 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: no smiling rule, Victoria became misunderstood by the public. 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: I think people probably see me as a miserable patty bitch. 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: To be completely honest in a. 13 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: Romance made in nineties Heaven, Victoria's high profile marriage to 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: football superstar David Beckham defined the era. 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 3: They were both famous in their own right, but when 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: they came together, it went and they became twenty times 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: as famous, you know, as a couple. 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: With it, though, came intense media scrutiny and wards of 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: paparazzi following their every move. 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: I went from being a regular teenager to all of 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 2: a sudden being on the cover of every magazine, every 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: tabloid newspaper, constantly being talked about. Herds of paparazzi and 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: fans outside my family home, and it happened almost overnight. 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: As well as a string of Chuning scandals. 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: The chemistry between David and I were so strong that 26 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: everyone was aware, and people weren't happy, obviously. 27 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: Because I was being very unprofessional and he's a married man. 28 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: I was very very upset because as much as he's 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: telling me this is not true, I swear on our 30 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: unborn babies life this is not true. I am still reading. 31 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: He had a huge erection as he stood up and 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: walked away from where we'd been rolling about for the 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: last three hours. And I'm reading this seven months pregnant, 34 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: and David is saying yes, but I don't even know 35 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: who this person is. 36 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: We are journalists Kay Amy and Sophie Torbat and this 37 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: is our new series Unspoken, where we bring you the 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: unspoken stories behind the biggest pop culture headlines to rock 39 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: the nineties and early noughties. Ever since the Beckham doco 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: dropped back in October, we have been so. 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: Keen to bring this story to you. 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: And while the doco was much loved, one criticism of 43 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: it was there wasn't enough posh spice, So that is 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: what we're bringing you today a deep dive on Victoria Beckham. Yeah, 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: and she is someone who is quite misunderstood by the 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: general public because often we see her in paparazzi photos 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: where she's frowning or pouting. She often never smiles, and 48 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people were quite surprised that she seemed 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: to have such a great sense of humour in the documentary. 50 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: She was so iconic in that doco, and that's just 51 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: what's left people wanting more of her. I suppose Victoria 52 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: is known more for her image rather than her personality. Yeah, 53 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: and I suppose we've found out that her personality is 54 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: a lot more interesting than that image that she puts 55 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah. Well, despite being admired and loved by 56 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: generation of young girls in the nineties, Victoria said that 57 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: her childhood was in complete contrast. So she grew up 58 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: as Victoria Adams in Hertfordshire with her parents Jackie and 59 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: Anthony Adams, sister Luise and brother Christian. Now her mum 60 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: was an insurance clerk and hairdresser, whilst her father founded 61 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: an electronics wholesale business and the company was a big 62 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: success and with it it brought a comfortable lifestyle for 63 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: the Adams family. It's only just struck me now that 64 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: she was part of the Adams family, because of course 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: that was a television show about a scary family growing up, 66 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: and we've seen Wednesday Adams on Netflix. I do wonder 67 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: if that was part of the reason why she was 68 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: bullied so much at school. She has said that jealousy 69 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: was a big part of why she wasn't popular at school. 70 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: In an interview during her two thousand and four documentary 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: Being Victoria Beckham, she said that she was targeted for 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: her privileged upbringing. 73 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: Here's what she said. 74 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: I never really fitted in at school, partly because I 75 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: came from quite privileged family. My dad, when he first 76 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: started up his company, his ambition was to have a 77 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: Rolls Royce and he said, I'm going to have a 78 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: Rolls Royce and he did, and it haunted me. But 79 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: he did have one. 80 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: So Victoria's dad would drop her off at school in 81 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: the Rolls Royce, which antagonized the bullies even more. And 82 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: perhaps this is why she was so funny about it 83 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: when David brought it up in the recent doco. Yeah, 84 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: it's clear that it is a sow point for her. 85 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: It is quite confusing though, because at our school growing up, 86 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: I think if you were to rock up in a 87 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: Rolls Royce, everyone would be jealous of you, but in 88 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: a good way. 89 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: They'd want to have a ride in it. 90 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: I think it would depend on the student though, because 91 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: I can imagine if someone wasn't very popular and they 92 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: were being picked up in a Rolls Royce, that would 93 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: stand out, and people don't tend to like people that 94 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: are different at school. I was surprised to hear that 95 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: Victoria wasn't very confident about her appearance at school because 96 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: she was arguably the most glamorous spic scale. 97 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: Let's have a listen to what she said. 98 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 2: When I was at school, I was a complete minga. 99 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: I had permed hair the lot, not the best looking. 100 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: He always laughed when I hear the word minga, because 101 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: it's not a term that we use here in Australia. Yeah, 102 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a blast from the past as 103 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: well now. As well as not being confident in her appearance, 104 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: she also struggled to make friends and said that she 105 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: never really fit in at school, and Victoria's mum, Jackie, 106 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: said she was always aware that in the school holidays 107 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: no one ever phoned for Victoria or asked her to 108 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 1: go out and play dates or come around. 109 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: I bet they're regretting that now. 110 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: It was a similar story for David Beckham growing up, 111 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: because he didn't have a large group of friends at 112 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: school and it was only until he joined Manchester United 113 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: that he forged some of those strong friendships that went 114 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: on into his adulthood. So I wonder if that's why 115 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: he and Victoria were so besotted with one another and 116 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: became each other's worlds when they did finally meet. Well, 117 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: they clearly connected on that. When Victoria turned sixteen, she 118 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: did start attending Lane's Dance School, where she studied dancing modeling, 119 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: and she was inspired by the musical film Fame and 120 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: had her heart set on a musical career. So it 121 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: was at this school that Victoria started developing insecurities that 122 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: would follow her for the rest of her life. In 123 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: a two thousand and four documentary, Victoria said for the 124 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: first time she became self conscious about her weight. 125 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 3: Here's what she said. 126 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: I first remember starting to get very self conscious about 127 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: the way that I look at my figure when I 128 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: was sixteen and I went to Lane's Dancing School, they 129 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: do weigh you, they do make you very conscious of 130 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: your weight. And as much as part of me would 131 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: actually sit here and say that's terrible because you are 132 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: making people have eating disorders, one side of me says that, 133 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: but the other side of me says, yes, but to 134 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: be a dancer, you do have to be small. It's 135 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: hard and it's horrible. And basically she was probably actually 136 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: preparing us for what we were going to be told 137 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: when we left. Some of the girls at these dancing 138 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: schools eat tissues. I mean not just anorexic or bollimik, 139 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: they eat tissues that I mean, the things that people 140 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: try to lose weight is unbelievable. 141 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: During the documentary, producers also interviewed Betty Lane, who's the 142 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: principal of Lane's dance school, and she said, if you're 143 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: going into the specific field where your foresake is of importance, 144 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: then we have to bring it to your attention. She 145 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: continued saying, I would not say that Victoria was fat 146 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: while she was training, but she did possibly need to 147 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: lose some pounds during her time here, as most of 148 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: them do. Now. As part of the documentary, Victoria came 149 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: back to visit the school and hand out awards to 150 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 1: the current students, and it was so awkward because despite 151 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: Victoria giving back to the school while she was at 152 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: the peak of her fame, Betty was quick to point 153 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: out that there were a lot more girls with more 154 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: talent than Victoria that are doing less than her, So 155 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: she was referring that Victoria simply got lucky. 156 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: With her career. 157 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: Gee, she sounds like such a lovely world, not only 158 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: commenting on a sixteen year old's appearance, but then such 159 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: a backhanded comment. 160 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: She kind of sounds like, you know, the show dance Mums. Yes, 161 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: she does well. 162 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: Victoria herself, she has always been self deprecating about her 163 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: singing ability, and she really plays into the joke, which 164 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: is something I really like about her. She's even done 165 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: skits about her microphone always being turned off and making 166 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: sure it's turned on during interviews, so she has some 167 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: fun with it. And she knows that pop stardom is 168 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: more about branding and star quality than simply your voice, 169 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: and she's always been adamant that she's worked really hard 170 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: to get there. In a twenty twenty interview, she said, 171 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to go on the stage, and I wanted 172 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: to sing and dance, but again I wasn't the best. 173 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: It was always just about working really, really hard. I 174 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: was very ambitious, very determined, never afraid to put in 175 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: the hard work, and very focused. Now I didn't realize this, 176 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: but Victoria's first real boyfriend was not David Beckham. It 177 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: was actually Mark would So she was just fourteen when 178 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: she met him for the first time at her parents' house, 179 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: of all places. So Mark was working for a parent's 180 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: company as an alarm engineer and he was on the 181 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: job fixing their electrics when the chance meeting occurred. So 182 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: they were together for six years, with Mark even living 183 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: with Victoria in her parents' home in Hertfordshire Well. It 184 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: was at this time, in nineteen ninety four, when Victoria 185 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: spotted an advertisement in trade magazine The Stage, looking for 186 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: singers to audition for a girl band, and shortly after 187 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: Victoria auditioned for The Spice Girls. Mark really wanted to 188 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: lock down this relationship and he proposed to Victoria. I 189 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: love how quick he was on that, Like shit, he 190 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: knew that he needed to lock that down. But even so, 191 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: it's not like you're really getting any guarantee because joining 192 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: a band like the spice girls. That's going to change 193 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: your whole life. To be fair, they had been together 194 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: for six years, so perhaps it was just the next 195 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: step for them now despite not being married yet, Victoria 196 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: began calling an Victoria Adams would and the name even 197 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: appeared on early Spy Scales merchandise. I wonder how much 198 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: that merchandise would be worth now, surely a lot now 199 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: that you say it, I swear I have seen that 200 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: name on merch before. It definitely doesn't have the ring 201 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: of Beckham, does it, though Adam's will, No. 202 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: It doesn't. 203 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if the management team behind the Spy Scales 204 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: was pissed off about this, because normally, if you're in 205 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: a girl group or a boy band, they want you 206 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: to appear single so that people want to date you 207 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: when you're really enticing. So it's pretty interesting that she 208 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: even added the second name onto her own. 209 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: Well, the engagement didn't last long. 210 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: Mark was left heartbroken when Victoria ended their six year 211 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: relationship just as the band was taking off. 212 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 3: As you do. 213 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: She did open up about the breakup on Channel four, 214 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: saying it wasn't the right person for me. I wasn't 215 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: enjoying myself so that had to end. She did admit 216 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: she didn't give the ring back. 217 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: Here's what she said. I didn't give him the ring back. 218 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: Eye if I've still got it because it was a 219 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: wicked dream. It's not horrible. 220 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: I love that she calls it a wicked ring. This 221 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: just adds to Victoria's quota of engagement rings because it's 222 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: been widely publicized that David has given Victoria fifteen engagement 223 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: rings over their twenty four year marriage. So really, if 224 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: we're doing the math, she has sixteen if we add 225 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: Mark's ring. I really want to see what this first 226 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: engagement ring looks like, because I'm sure the other fifteen 227 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: that Beckham has given her has shit all over it. 228 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: Poor Mark. Now. 229 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: At the time of their breakup, things were pretty cordial 230 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: in the media. Mark had only nice things to say 231 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: about Victoria. In nineteen ninety seven, he told the people 232 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: that it was a very special relationship, but that part 233 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: of my life is over. It's sad because we were 234 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: together for a long time. But she got what she 235 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: always wanted and I'm proud of her now. Things did 236 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: turn nasty, though, when Mark gave a paid interview to 237 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: a newspaper saying that he had sex with Victoria on 238 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: a train. Victoria said that she'd lived a very shelter 239 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: life until that point and couldn't believe what she was 240 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: reading in the paper, and said it was particularly horrifying 241 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: for her to see her dad opening the paper that morning. God, 242 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: that would be absolutely mortifying. She said in her two 243 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: thousand and four documentary, I wouldn't even mind, but it 244 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: didn't even happen. Most people have a price, which is 245 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: really sad. 246 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 3: Now. 247 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: In the same interview, Victoria also seemingly dismissed their relationship, saying, 248 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: for some reason we got engaged. He was an alarm engineer. 249 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: If only he stayed in that cupboard that I met 250 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: him in my mom and dad's house. Now, Mark was 251 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: really hurt by these comments, and he did seek revenge. 252 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: So he appeared on a two thousand and five documentary 253 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: called Victoria Beckham's Secrets, and this is where he spoke 254 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: candidly about their sex life. So he told the documentary 255 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: that he took the singer's virginity at seventeen and claims 256 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: she was addicted to sex and I quote went like 257 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: an express train during a romp in the toilets of 258 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: a train. How disrespectful. I hate the wording took the 259 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: singer's virginity as if it's something that you can take 260 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: from someone, and just trying to phrase her as this 261 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: sex maniac. We know back in the early two thousands 262 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: that this was something that wasn't seen in a positive light. 263 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: It was very slut shaming. Yeah. 264 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: Ahead of the documentary airing, a Channel five spokesperson said, 265 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: as they always say, revenge is a dish best served cold. 266 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: Mark has never spoken before in public about his relationship 267 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: with Victoria, but feels it is time to set the 268 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: record straight. She has made him look foolish in front 269 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: of the cameras. They actually dated for six years and 270 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: split up shortly before she started dating David Beckham in 271 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. Mark was quite hurt by what she 272 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: said and doesn't intend sparing Victoria's blushes. What a way 273 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: to promote your documentary. 274 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: But what a poor guy. 275 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,359 Speaker 1: He was hurt, so he decided to slut shame Victoria. 276 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: Like what a dick heare all. 277 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: Like, he was completely jealous when it came out that 278 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: she was dating David Beckham. Yeah, Well, as we touched on, 279 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: Victoria spotted the advertisement for a girl group in the 280 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: Stage magazine, and the band was the brainchild of father 281 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: and son duo Chris and Bob Herbert, who arranged a 282 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: series of auditions in central London in nineteen ninety four 283 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: when he noticed there was a huge gap in the 284 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: market for a girl group. I was surprised to hear 285 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: the only four hundred women responded to the ad and 286 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: audition for the group, and the auditions were an open call, 287 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: with the girls scored on a range of categories during 288 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: the audition process, including dance, singing, looks and personality. It 289 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: sounds like some sort of Miss Universe competition now. Victoria 290 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: said she was the only one to use the piano 291 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: in her audition and belt it out a cabaret performance 292 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: whilst the other girls were all singing Queen of the 293 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: Night from Whitney Houston. Now. While Victoria's voice wasn't as 294 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: strong as the other girls, Chris liked that she was graceful, 295 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: classic and sophisticated. 296 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: Now. 297 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: As for Jerry halliwell, she almost didn't make the band, 298 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: so Chris invited her along to the audition and just hours. 299 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: Before she pulled out. 300 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: This was because she had got really badly burnt on 301 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: a holiday in Spain and it made it really hard 302 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: for her to dance and sing. 303 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: Poor Ginger. 304 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: No, So, despite not attending the initial audition, Jerry went 305 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: out to a bar for a few drinks and she 306 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: proceeded to call Chris and Bob Herbert and demanded to 307 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: be included in the callback audition. Now she was granted 308 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: that wish and made sure to stand out at the 309 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: next audition. Melbe said Jerry looked like a mad, eccentric 310 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: nutter from another planet, just what you want to look 311 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: like at an audition. 312 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: Now. 313 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: Melc was also a late call up, so she only 314 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: became a Spy Scale after another performer by the name 315 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: of Leanne Morgan was removed from the process. So Morgan 316 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: was twenty three at the time and was deemed too 317 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: old to join the group because the Herberts wanted the 318 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: spy Scales to be younger than that. 319 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: That just blows my mind. 320 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: Twenty three too old now. Another singer called Michelle Stevenson 321 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: briefly became an official member, but that came to a 322 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: quick end. So according to Chris, Michelle was fired from 323 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: the Spy Skirls because she wasn't fitting in and didn't 324 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: Gel with the rest of the band. Victoria backed this 325 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: statement up, saying Michelle didn't have. 326 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: The work ethic needed to be a Spice Girl. 327 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: She said she couldn't be asked to put in the 328 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: same amount of work that the other Spice Girls were. Now, Michelle, 329 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: of course says that she does regret the decision because 330 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: she's not a multi millionaire, but at the same time, 331 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: when she left the group, she knew she was doing 332 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: the right thing, and she still thinks it was the 333 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: right thing now. Once Melby, Emma Bunton and Jerry Halliwell 334 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: were officially selected, they became members of a band called Touch. 335 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: But in nineteen ninety five, the band left their original 336 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: management and teamed up with musical manager Simon Fuller and 337 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: signed to deal with Virgin Records, so they underwent a 338 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: complete rebrand and were named the Spy Skirls. 339 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 3: Wow. 340 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: I did not realize they were originally called Touch. That 341 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: seems like such a shit name in comparison. I wonder 342 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: if it's only because we know the name as it 343 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: is now. I'm just surprised that the management didn't make 344 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: Melby and Melse change their name. 345 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: Having two members called mel. 346 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, now Victoria said that they had lost confidence with 347 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: their original managers, Bob and Chris, as everything seemed to 348 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: be moving so slowly, and they really like Simon Fuller 349 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: because he had a good reputation in the industry. In 350 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, they released their debut album, Spice, which 351 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: became a worldwide commercial hit, with the album peaking at 352 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: number one in more than seventeen countries and it was 353 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: certified multi platinum in twenty seven countries, and the album 354 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: has since sold thirty million copies worldwide. 355 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: Now, I would have thought that. 356 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: A highly paid marketing team would have devised the Spice 357 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: Girl's nicknames. So over the years we've come to know 358 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: them as Baby, Scary, Sporty, Ginger, and Posh. But Melb 359 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: broke the illusion, telling the Huffington Post that there was 360 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: actually a magazine editor who gave them their nicknames. So 361 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: she said, it was actually a lazy journalist that couldn't 362 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: be bothered to remember all of our names, so he 363 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: just gave us nicknames. And we were like, oh, well 364 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: that kind of works. I don't mind my name. Do 365 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: you like your name Baby Posh? We were like, let's 366 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: just go with it. The journalist in question was Peter Lorraine, 367 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: who ran UK magazine and TV show Top of the Pops, 368 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: and he devised the nicknames for a feature story that 369 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 1: he wrote on the band that ran in July at 370 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, and as you said, Kate, he developed 371 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: the names out of pure convenience. Peter said, Posh was 372 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: the first one to be thought up because Victoria looks 373 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: pretty sophisticated. The rest were pretty easy because the girl's 374 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: characters were already really strong. The names just jumped out 375 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: at us. We laughed the most when we came up 376 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: with scary Now. One of Peter's colleagues, Jennifer, actually came 377 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: up with Melby's name because she said that she was 378 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: so loud at the photo shoot and tried to take 379 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: over the whole thing. I always wondered when I was 380 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: growing up why there was only actually one spice like 381 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: ging Just spis made sense to me, But I'm like, 382 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. Shouldn't they be like saffron spice 383 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: or cinnamon spice? Is terrible that that only just tweaked 384 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: for me. Ginger being a spice, I never even thought 385 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: of that. I thought it as being a description. Victoria 386 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: really found herself in the Spice Skirls. So in an interview, 387 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: she said that being around the other Spy Skirls helped 388 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: her come out of a shell and grow her confidence. 389 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: Let's write a more of what she said. 390 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: Do you know I think because I was so bullied 391 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: when I was at school, I was very, very shy, 392 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: a little bit introvert. And when I met the Spice Girls, 393 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: I met four other girls like me. We were all 394 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: underdogs in our own way. Individually not that great, but 395 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 2: collectively we really worked and we had something very special 396 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: and most people out there could relate to one of us. 397 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 3: Together. 398 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: We then began a mission of girl power. And this 399 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 2: was a long time ago. I mean I remember the 400 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 2: first time we went to a record company and we 401 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 2: said we want to be on the cover of a magazine. 402 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 2: We were told, well, girls don't sell magazines. You know, 403 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: you're never going to find yourself on the cover of 404 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 2: a magazine as a girl group. You know, people only 405 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: want to see boys on magazines. And we began this 406 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: mission of girl power. We're saying, you know, we're not 407 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: just as good as boys, right, ladies, we're better, And 408 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: we broke barriers and we went on a mission to 409 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: empower not just girls, but yes, boys as well. And 410 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: it's okay if you're the underdog, it's okay, if you're 411 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: not the popular one, it's okay if you're different. It's 412 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 2: about embracing who you are and being proud of that. 413 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: I forgot that the Spice Girl's mantra was all about 414 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 1: girl power and I am so here for that. Well, 415 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: Victoria said that it's still her mantra in her beauty 416 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: and fashion line. She's all about girl power and women's succeeding. 417 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: Well, we need to. 418 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: Get into when Posh met beck so Victoria was at 419 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: the peak of her career when she met football at 420 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: David Beckham. At this stage it was Victoria who was 421 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: really the famous one. So David was only twenty two 422 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: at the time, while Victoria was twenty three, now the 423 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: older woman all of one year old. And while David 424 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: Starr was on the rise, he wasn't yet playing in 425 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: the first team. However, Victoria was at the peak of 426 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: her career with the Spice Girls. Now David's coach at 427 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: Manchester United, Sir Alex Ferguson was desperate for his players' 428 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: social lives to be stable, so he didn't want his 429 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: players out parting on the weekends or hooking up with 430 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: different girls each week. So ideally Alex Ferguson wanted David 431 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: to meet a local girl. Pop the question and settled down. 432 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: He definitely didn't want one of his players dating a 433 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: Spice girl. It's pretty wild to hear about the first 434 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: time that David laid eyes on Victoria because it happened 435 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: to be when she was appearing on TV. So one night, 436 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: when David and his teammate Gary Neville were watching TV, 437 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: the spy Scirls appeared on the screen and David exclaimed 438 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: to Gary, you see that one. I'm going to marry 439 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: that one, the posh one in the black dress. Here's 440 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: more of what David said back in two thousand and 441 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: two about seeing Victoria for the first time. 442 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: I searing that that cat suit, and it done it 443 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 3: for me. 444 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: That was it. 445 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: I was gone completely. 446 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 3: So I think it was the hair that done it for. 447 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: Me at first. 448 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: I love his voice and the way he said it 449 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: was what done it for me. 450 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: A lot of people say that his voice ruins his looks, 451 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: but I kind of like it. 452 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: I feel like it adds to his character. 453 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: Now when interviewed on the Beckham documentary, Gary Neville said 454 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: that a lot of guys have done that in their 455 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: lifetime before, but they don't fucking end up with them. 456 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 457 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: Think about how many hot guys you've seen in film 458 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: clips or on movies, but you never are actually going 459 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: to get a chance with them. 460 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, but not everyone's David Beckham, No they're not. 461 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: Well. Fast forward to March nineteen ninety seven and Victoria 462 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: and Melsey aka Sporty Spice were invited to a Manchester 463 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: United game and appeared on the pitch at halftime. Word 464 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: quickly spread around the club that they were there, so 465 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: before the game started, one player rushed into the clubrooms 466 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: to tell the rest of the teammates that two Spice 467 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: girls were in the building. So David quickly asked which ones, 468 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: and to his delight, Posh Spice was in attendance. So 469 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: he really turned it on for Victoria on the pitch, 470 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: he kicked a goal during the game, and it was 471 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: actually Victoria's manager who introduced her to David, so he 472 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: told her that she should have a famous boyfriend and 473 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: it'd be great for her career. So when they got 474 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: a chance to finally meet later in the player's lounge. 475 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: David was so nervous so he waved from the other 476 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: side of the bar and could only muster a quick hello. 477 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: He ended up anguishing over the missed opportunity for days 478 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: and was gutted. It seemed like Victoria really wanted a 479 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: chance to see him again, as the following week she 480 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: attended another Manchester United game. 481 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: And this is. 482 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: Despite the fact that Victoria quite openly admits that she's 483 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: not into for. 484 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: Shelda still doesn't like it. 485 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: No, she said, I'd seen pictures of him in magazines 486 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: and he's obviously a really good looking boy. The fact 487 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: I went to games was kind of Some would say 488 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: to stalk him, I would say, to see him. So 489 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: she ended up running into him at the player's lounge again, 490 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: and this time David was standing with his family. She 491 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: said all of the other footballers were at the bar, 492 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: but he was talking to his parents, which she loved 493 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: as she's very close to her family as well. Now 494 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: by this stage, David had had a few drinks and 495 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: thought I'm going to try and get her number. They 496 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,239 Speaker 1: talked for an hour and Victoria ended up writing her 497 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: phone number on the aeroplane ticket that she'd used to 498 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: board her flight to Manchester with It's really cute, because 499 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: David said he still has that ticket that is very 500 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: cute now. Both Victoria and David said that the first 501 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: time they spoke, there was a connection straight away and 502 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: they fancied each other immediately. They both knew things were 503 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: going to move fast. In an open letter Victoria wrote 504 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: for Vogue in twenty sixteen, she said it was love 505 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: at FeAs site with David, and in her two thousand 506 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: and two documentary she said, I do believe in love 507 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: at first sight, and I did know from the first 508 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: time that I met him that I was going to 509 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: end up with him. Now, at the request of Victoria's management, 510 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: the couple tried to keep their relationship under wraps, so 511 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: they were told not to get photographed together as it 512 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: would cause a media storm. So their friends had to 513 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: get really crafty, explaining that they had to do a 514 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: mission impossible to get David over to Victoria's house unnoticed 515 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: by the paparazzi. So one close friend would meet David 516 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: at a chain of restaurants in the UK called Little Chef, 517 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: and David would park his car there and they would 518 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: then sneak him in the boot with a blanket over him. 519 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 3: They would then. 520 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: Drive right past the press outside Victoria's house and he 521 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: would go through the back gate and run so he 522 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: wasn't photographed. Now, many of the couple's first dates were 523 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: in car parks, and Victoria insisted that it's not a 524 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: CD as it sound. In fact, she said that David 525 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: was so shy that for the first few dates he 526 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: didn't even try to kiss her. David said that he 527 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: thought Posh was hoping for a kiss the first time, 528 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: but he was just too shy to do it. Their 529 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: first kiss finally ended up happening in David's BMW in 530 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: a car park. So romantic. You've got to remember, though, 531 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: as we mentioned, she was the biggest celebrity in this 532 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: and I remember in the doco she pointed out that 533 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: she wasn't like some girls who want to be waged. 534 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: She didn't really need David for fame. She had her 535 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: own fame. Yeah, but I mean it's still you still 536 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: want a guy to kiss you first. 537 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: No, you don't want to be the one making all 538 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 3: the moves. 539 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can understand why David would have been 540 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: so nervous. It confuses me that they had all of 541 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: their dates in car parks, because you'd think that there's 542 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: more chance of the press spotting them in the car 543 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: park instead of behind closed doors, especially if there's these 544 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: steamy makeout sessions happening in the car. 545 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 546 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: I thought the same thing too. 547 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: Blacked out windows, you guys. Yeah, but tru wouldn't they 548 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: be able to follow the car like? That was the 549 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: whole point, And they had to David in so he 550 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: could even see her. I mean, they were clearly very 551 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: clever the way they did it now despite being previously engaged. 552 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: Victoria said that she'd never felt this way before about anyone, 553 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: and she said that everything felt so right and she 554 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: wanted to tell the world, but she had to hold back. 555 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: David first told Victoria that he loved her at her parents' house, 556 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: and from that day on their relationship was endgame. From 557 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: all reports, David was absolutely infatuated by Victoria. His teammate 558 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: Gary Neville said David was like an attic, spending every 559 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: waking minute on the phone to Victoria and doing four 560 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: hour car journeys just to see her. 561 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: For twenty minutes. 562 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: So when Victoria was on tour, he would even charter 563 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: a tiny two seater plane to see her for a 564 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: few hours and come back. This is giving me Travis 565 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: Kelcey vibes. 566 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is now. 567 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: Gary said his behavior was starting to piss off their manager, 568 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: Sir Alex Ferguson. David's mum, Sandra West, also seemed concerned 569 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: that David's relafelationship with Victoria was going to jeopardize his career. 570 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: She recalled in the Beckham documentary that when Victoria was 571 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: away touring in another time zone, she would ring the 572 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: house at three in the morning before a game just 573 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: to speak to David. I get where his mum's coming from. 574 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how I'd feel about this new woman 575 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 1: on the scene who starts calling all of the shots 576 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: and ringing it these really ridiculous times of the day. 577 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: Because for David, as we touched on, he didn't really 578 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: have many friends growing up. His whole focus was football, 579 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: So alarm bells would start ringing that suddenly, what's going 580 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: to happen with his career? Is this going to go 581 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: down the drain? Yeah? Well, Sandra did say, we will 582 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: worry that he'd lose all that he'd worked for because 583 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: football came first and then all of a sudden, it 584 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: wasn't it's crazy to think that Posh and Becks managed 585 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: to keep this relationship quiet from the press for three months. 586 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 3: It wasn't until. 587 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: David bought Victoria a Cartier watch the people started piecing 588 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: it all together. So the perhaps had snapped a photo 589 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: of David and Victoria outside her parents' house, and they 590 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: managed to interview her dad about it. So Victoria's dad 591 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: tried to keep the cover story going, with the headline reading, 592 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: they're just good friends. In cis Posh Spice's dad they 593 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: call it posh spos mister posh. Now, the first time 594 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: the public truly saw them as a couple was when 595 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: they were papped together out in public, with Victoria wearing 596 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: a black dress and David in pale blue jeans and 597 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: a black topt. This, yeah, was hot, and this was 598 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: tabloid gold for the media, with the sports world and 599 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: pop culture world perfectly colliding now. When breaking the news 600 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: to the world, one publication wrote, Beckham scores a spy 601 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: scale football star on date with Posh Victoria. Another article 602 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: described their relationship as a romance made in nineties heaven, 603 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: it continued saying throughout the decade, certain celebrity couples have 604 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: defined the era, and for our age, there is no 605 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: more perfect pairing than football ace and spy skirl Dominic 606 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: Mahoane from the Sun said that they became twenty times 607 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: more famous as a couple on their own. Anna Winter 608 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: also summed it up perfectly in the Beckham doco, saying, 609 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: when you have two equally charismatic people, it doubles the volume. 610 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: It puts the heat volume right up well. David's teammate 611 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: Gary Neville he likened Poshenbeck's popularity to that of Princess 612 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: Diana and Prince Charles at the time, and that just goes. 613 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: To show how big they were now. 614 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: While David said he was uncomfortable with the aggression of 615 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: the paparazzi, he did say he loved being in Posha's 616 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: world and that it was exciting now. David and Victoria 617 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: were only together for ten months when David popped the question. 618 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: According to author Gwen Russell, who wrote a Rise Sir 619 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: David Beckham, football celebrity legend, the couple floated the idea 620 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: of getting married when Victoria was over in Los Angeles 621 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: for the Spice World premiere movie. Now as soon as 622 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: she got home, they set the wheels in motion, looking 623 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: at rings together. According to reports, Victoria told David what 624 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: her dream ring was, and he had it specially made 625 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: for her. So this was one of those proposals where 626 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: both parties very much knew it was happening. In the book, 627 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: it quotes David as saying, I wasn't nervous at all 628 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: about getting engaged. We decided a while ago we would 629 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: make it official this weekend. I got the ring and 630 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: was really looking forward to it. But when the moment came, 631 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: there were a few butterflies now for the proposal itself. 632 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: They checked into a hotel after one of David's games, 633 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: and David presented Victoria with thirty roses upon arrival. She 634 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: was then taken into the room to find it filled 635 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: with red and yellow lilies. The couple then both got 636 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: into bathrobes and ordered dinner and champagne to the room. 637 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: According to the book, Victoria said, we were sitting in 638 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: our dressing gowns when David pulled out the ring and 639 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: got down on one knee and said, will you marry me? 640 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: Victoria? 641 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Now, in what was very reminiscent of a royal photo, 642 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: call on January twenty fifth, nineteen ninety eight, which happened 643 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: to be the next day after David popped the question. 644 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: The couple called the press to a hotel in Cheshire 645 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: to announce their engagement. Despite the frosty January weather. Victoria 646 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: wore an iconic black miniskirt with a black turtleneck, leather 647 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: jacket and a cross around her neck. David wore a 648 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: matching all black outfit. The couple unveiled the ring to 649 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: the press, and it was a three carrot Marquez cut 650 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: diamond on a plain yellow gold band, which was handcrafted 651 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: by Manchester jewelers Boodle and Dunthorn. 652 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: Now. 653 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: The ring reportedly cost around eighty five thousand pounds at 654 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: the time. Victoria told the press, I'm the happiest girl 655 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: in the world today. I'm with the man I know 656 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to grow old and wrinkly with now. Victoria 657 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: did have a trick up her sleeve. So as we 658 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: touched on the spy skills are the pioneers of girl power. 659 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: So Victoria decided that she wanted to pop the question 660 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: to David too, so she bought David a fifty thousand 661 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: pound diamond encrusted gold ring from exclusive jewelry store Van 662 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: Cleef and Apples on Rodeo Drive in Hollywood. Victoria reportedly said, 663 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: I said yes, then produced my own ring and said, 664 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: don't forget girl power, will you marry me? And David 665 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: found the stunt very funny. 666 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,239 Speaker 3: I love this. 667 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: I've always thought, why does a woman have to wear 668 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: an engagement ring but not a man? And you'd want 669 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: David Beckham wearing an engagement ring too. You want to 670 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: lock that down like her ex boyfriend tried to lock 671 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: her down. Yeah, when you're engaged to arguably the hottest 672 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: man alive, I think you want him wearing a ring 673 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: and everyone knowing that he's taken. Now, just before their engagement, 674 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: David got the call up to play for the English 675 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: soccer team, and he'd always dreamt of playing for his 676 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: country in the World Cup. So when news broke of 677 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: their engagement, one outlet said whilst they may have found love, 678 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: finding the time to be together will be a problem, 679 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: with David setting his sights on the World Cup and 680 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: Victoria starting on her world tour with the Spice Girls. Now, 681 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: just six months after getting engaged, the couple fell pregnant 682 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: with their first child, Brooklyn. In the biography Arise Sir 683 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: David Beckham, Victoria said, when I told David I was pregnant, 684 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: he just art weeping. He must have cried for about 685 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: an hour, and I had tears running down my face too. 686 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: It was a very emotional moment for both of us. 687 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: The baby wasn't planned, so it was a surprise mixed 688 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: with real delight. I think telling David he was going 689 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: to be a dad really put things into perspective for him. 690 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 3: Now. 691 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: Victoria's timing was rather interesting. She dropped the news to 692 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: David the night before his infamous red card moment. So 693 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: David was playing for the English team in the World 694 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: Cup against Argentina, and it had always been David's dream, 695 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, for him to play for his country. 696 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: So during the game, Argentinian midfielder Diego Simon committed a 697 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: foul on David, and after David hit the ground, Diego 698 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: went to ruffle the back of David's head and David 699 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: immediately responded by kicking his leg back at Diego, milking 700 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: it for all that was worth. Diego immediately fell to 701 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: the ground and subsequently David received a red card for 702 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: the supposed violent conduct and was sent off for the 703 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: rest of the match. This was a very dark chapter 704 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: in David's career, as he was blamed for England being 705 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: knocked out of the World Cup. The whole country hated him. 706 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: The media backlash was intense, with the English public turning 707 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 1: on David. One headline from the Daily Mirror read ten 708 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: heroic Lions, one stupid boy. They even took it a 709 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: step further publishing a dartboard with David's face as the bullseye. 710 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: Now he received death threats from fans, bullets in the mail, 711 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: and an epigy of David was hung outside a pub 712 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: in London. It's important to remember that he was only 713 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: twenty three years old at the time. I was shocked 714 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: when I heard about this in the doco. I still 715 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: can't believe that this happened. I know sports stars are 716 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: really put under the microscope, but I think even in Australia, 717 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: when we're so passionate about sports, this wouldn't happen here. 718 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: There was a bit of blame put on Victoria in 719 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: the documentary because David's teammate and best friend, Gary Neville, 720 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: said that while David was typically able to switch between 721 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: football mode and his personal life. He wished that David 722 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: had turned his phone off for that match, as the 723 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: lack of focused may have cost him, and in the documentary, 724 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: Victoria was quizzed about her decision to reveal this life 725 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: changing news to David right before the biggest match of 726 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 1: his career. She said in that interview that David wanted 727 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: to leave the game to be with her, and he 728 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to. She continued, I told David the night 729 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: before the game. He was so happy, we both were, 730 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: and there were never any doubts in my mind that 731 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,720 Speaker 1: I should tell him. I mean, it was what we wanted. 732 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: He could have not been happier. The director, David Fisher Stevens, 733 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: did quiz her further, saying, so you tell him right 734 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: before the biggest game of his life? Did you think 735 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: it would help him? And Victoria responded, I don't know really. 736 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: She has said before that she doesn't really know much 737 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: about soccer, so maybe it was just her being really 738 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: excited and also very clueless. Why can't she tell her 739 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: fiance that she's pregnant. It seems like they're trying to 740 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: shift the blame onto her when it was actually the 741 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: British press that hung him out to dry, and then 742 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: the British public will have the result been different and 743 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: David had a great game, they might have said, well, 744 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: good on Posh Fitz, Yeah for revealing the pregnancy news. 745 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: I can understand the criticism towards it, though, because sport 746 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: is so much about the psychological aspects of it, and 747 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: hearing huge news like that before such an important game 748 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: is going to have an effect on you emotionally. It 749 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: could have spurred him on. You just don't know how 750 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: someone is going to react to that news. 751 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 2: Now. 752 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: The couple did break the news of their pregnancy in 753 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: August nineteen ninety nine, and Victoria was twenty four and 754 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: David was twenty three. 755 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 3: The paper reported that the baby. 756 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: Was not planned and that they will be getting married 757 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: after the birth. Victoria also confirmed she wouldn't be leaving 758 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: the band, but taking some time off. Just a few 759 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: days after Posha's announcement, fellow spy Scale Melby, who was 760 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: twenty three at the time, also announced she was pregnant 761 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: with fiance Jimmy Gualzer. Now Jimmy was a Spice Boy 762 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: dancer in the group's touring onto The news of two 763 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: spy Skirls pregnancies out of wedlock led to complaints from 764 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: parents that the band was corrupting the morals if impressionable 765 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: young girls who worship them wow, so journalist Sally Banks 766 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: wrote in The La Times, young girls will get the 767 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: message that pregnancy out of marriage is okay, even cool. 768 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: She continued, saying the spy Skirls fans saw their pregnancies 769 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: as the ultimate expression of girl power. I get that 770 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: this was back in the nineties, but I can't believe 771 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: how fucked some of these quotes are. The idea that 772 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: it's inconceivable that two engaged women are having a child 773 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: out of wedlock, as if it's the worst thing that 774 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: they've ever heard of, and such a terrible influence for 775 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: their children. 776 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 3: I think it's just reflective of what it was like back. 777 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: In the nineties and early two thousands. I mean, we 778 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: saw the rise of the purity rings. We saw Jessica 779 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: Simpson coming out and declaring that she was a virgin 780 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: alongside Britney Spears. So it does make sense that this 781 00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: was happening at that time, it. 782 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 3: Doesn't it right now? 783 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Vogue Britain approached David and Victoria to do a 784 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: pregnancy photo shoot, and Victoria says she was so excited 785 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: when the request came in as they'd never done something 786 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: like that together. Now, of course, Victoria's bump took center 787 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: stage in the photo, and when looking back reminiscing on 788 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: the photo, Victoria said, I mean, now, would I do 789 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: a photo shoot with my tummy showing? No, I absolutely wouldn't, 790 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: But at the time I wasn't nervous. We were in 791 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: love and we looked great. We didn't care. I love 792 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: the fact that in the photo she was wearing her 793 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: own high street top and trousers, and she said that 794 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: she was very happy go lucky then, but it's now 795 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: something that she wouldn't do. It's funny to think that 796 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: showing the bump was such a big deal back then. 797 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: We see pregnancy bumps on Instagram all the time. Now 798 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 1: it's just the norm, but there was something so crazy 799 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: about seeing a woman's pregnant belly on displaying Well, Vogue 800 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: ended up gifting Victoria and David a blown up copy 801 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: of this photo, which they hung very proudly in their 802 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: Manchester apartment. 803 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 3: Now that is where we are going to leave you 804 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 3: for today. 805 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: In next week's episode, While Victoria's pregnancy looked perfect on 806 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: the glossy pages of British Vogue, the couple's first cheating 807 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: scandal was brewing. In next week's show, we discuss Victoria's 808 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: explosive reaction to those kissing rumors, how Victoria's life changed 809 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: becoming a mother, and the wedding of the century. Well 810 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: that is episode one of Unspoken. We really hope that 811 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: you have enjoyed it. We will be sharing a bunch 812 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: of nostalgic clips on our TikTok and Instagram which is 813 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: at Outspoken Underscore the Underscore podcast. 814 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 3: We would love to know if. 815 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: You did enjoy it the show, Please share where you 816 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: are listening to it from now. 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