1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Plenty happening this morning, and the Northern Territory Police Association 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: will they've welcomed yesterday's announcement of two hundred million dollars 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: in funding over the next four years to recruit an 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: additional two hundred sworn officers, but I think it's safe 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: to say that plenty of us are wondering exactly where 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: they are going to come from, the President of the 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Association, Nathan Finn, joins me right now, 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Finny. 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Good morning to you listeners. 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Now tell me, first off, is two hundred officers additional 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: over four years going to be enough? 12 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: No, definitely not, Katie. Obviously the proof's going to be 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: in obviously the detail that they provide to us. We 14 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: haven't seen obviously, the resource allocation review. We don't know 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 2: that the sentiment behind this. We don't know whether these 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: police officers are going to be constable, where they're going 17 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: to be front line, where they're going to be auxiliary, 18 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 2: where they're going to be acpos. We don't know which 19 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: percentage of obviously those and how that's going to affect 20 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: obviously our front line overall. But it's obviously it's hard 21 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: giving obviously this sort of announcement's coming out, But then 22 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: when then the government turns around and says that the 23 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: resource casey who hasn't even been a cabinet yet, So 24 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: how are they're making budgetary decisions for this government? Or 25 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: is the Chief Minister just owning the whole process and 26 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 2: she's the responsible for everything. Is she's just makes these 27 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: decisions based on her advice only and not the cabinet's devices. 28 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: Well, I suppose the big question I've had as well, 29 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: and I will put this to the Police Minister. He's 30 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: on the show at nine point forty this morning, But like. 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 3: How how maybe how like how bad is. 32 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: The review potentially or like how you know, what is 33 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: it potentially going to show in terms of our shortcomings 34 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: with our numbers For them to be making this announcement 35 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: and sort of pre empting this stuff before it's even 36 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: gone public. 37 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's very frustrating and very frustrating from us. 38 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: We don't know what's in the report. We haven't been 39 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: obviously privy to that. We've asked on a number of occasions, 40 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: we've been denied. Obviously, those interiment recommendations that were provided 41 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: to government for some months now, and obviously it's quite 42 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: frustrating for us. We don't know what's in the detail 43 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: of this. We don't know why these recommendations are being 44 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: made now. I can only assume that's obviously to change 45 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: the media metric currently out there against the government in 46 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: relation to their handling of Alice Springs and everything else 47 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: that's going on. And that's all we can assume that 48 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: why it's happening. I don't know why that these announcements 49 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: are being made. 50 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: Apart from that, well, look, I suppose it's probably to 51 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: try and quell the community because so many people are 52 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: so concerned about the level of crime that we're experiencing. 53 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: But like with the I mean even with the two hundred, 54 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: I know that the association's welcomed it. But based on 55 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: the previous surveys that you guys have done, is it 56 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: actually going to be enough to keep up with attrition? 57 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: No, definitely not. We don't know whether this There are 58 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: some comments out there that this is above attrition. So again, 59 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: we're losing an average one hundred and twenty offices per 60 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: year and we're also seeing an additional two hundred created 61 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: over four years if this is above attrition, they're going 62 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: to have to employ how many is. 63 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: That three twenty? Is it a year? Yeah, yep. 64 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: If we're losing one twenty a year to attrition, is it? 65 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: That's what you said? 66 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: And then an additional two hundred sorry, an additional fifty 67 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: per year over that. 68 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: Four year period. 69 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: Basically, it's a lot of officers, Like it's one hundred 70 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: and seventy a year that you're trying to then you're 71 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: trying to recruit, Like in terms of recruitment in previous years, 72 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: has that been a difficult process to try and fill 73 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: all those different jobs. 74 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 2: There's a difficult process and our recruitment sections are struggling 75 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: to recruit quality applicants to the Northern Territory Police Force. 76 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: This is for a wide range of reasons. We're going 77 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: to obviously speculate, but we've seen everything in the media 78 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: over the last few years. We've seen the crime rate 79 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: go through the roof. Our members are struggling on the 80 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: front line because we haven't got the resource. This has 81 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: been well advocated by our members in survey results that 82 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: we've done through the NT Police Association. Where As of 83 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: last year, ninety eight percent of our members didn't believe 84 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: that we had enough place to do. 85 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: So. 86 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: It shouldn't come as any surprise to our members that 87 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: we've been screaming out for resources for a long time, 88 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: but it's only taken to this point where on our 89 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: advocacy of the NTPA to make the government go into 90 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: this resource allocation review, for them to provide these numbers 91 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: known for a number of years, and why they haven't 92 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: done that, and why they've neglected the police force such 93 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: as status in now beyond crisis point and now to 94 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: make these decisions now. 95 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: We know that the Northern Territory government just this morning 96 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: as well have indeed had a press conference. They have 97 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: announced that there's going to be the recruitment of twenty 98 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: five I'm just reading from this press release twenty five 99 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: additional call takers and CCTV operations operators. 100 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: Finny. Is this a step in the right direction? 101 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: It definitely is, Katie, But there's also needs to be 102 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: other things in relation to this announcement as well. Is 103 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: there infrastructure going to be obviously planned for the expansion 104 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 2: of this desk? We know the issues with JESS currently 105 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: which we're seeing is obviously we've seen excess amount of calls. 106 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: We've seen calls messed. We've made a resource allocation of 107 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: you document to say that up to eighty three calls, 108 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: the triple zero calls a day weren't getting answered by 109 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 2: our jests because we didn't have the available resources obviously 110 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: answer those calls. 111 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: How they are saying in this pressure release, So I 112 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: we'll just give this level of detail as well, so 113 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: that I'm. 114 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: Being open it up front. 115 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a pressure release in front of me, 116 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: and it says the digital capacity of the communications center 117 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: is also going to be increased to ensure that staff 118 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: have the tools that they need to improve response times. 119 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: So this detailed digital infrastructure plan is going to be 120 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: developed by the Northern Territory Police, Fire and Department of 121 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: Corporate and Digital Development. And importantly an education campaign's going 122 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: to be delivered as well. 123 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: Does that help? 124 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense to me, Katie at all. 125 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure about what they're announcing there. It 126 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 2: seems quite pretty wordy, and obviously I haven't seen that release. 127 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: I only contact the acting Acting Commissioner on the way 128 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: here to the studio this morning to say because I 129 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: knew there was announcement going to be made because I've 130 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: spoke him earlier this morning to say, obviously, what's this 131 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: announcement is going to be made in relation to JESK. 132 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: He wasn't aware of the details of that announcement. He 133 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 2: is basically only told to be at the location to 134 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: do the media press conference. And he give me a 135 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: call and said, obviously twenty five members and that's all 136 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: that's been announced basically this morning on the way here. 137 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: So I'm not quite sure of obviously the extent of 138 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: the details details And again like yesterday's announcement, we're not 139 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 2: sure of the details because we haven't been to that 140 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: is it. 141 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: Unusual for the association to not actually like for them 142 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: to not communicate that detail to you guys. 143 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: This is unfortunately, this is the way that the government 144 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 2: obviously goes and the government has been dealing with the 145 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: nt Police Association, even though were the major stakeholder for 146 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: obviously our members and represent ninety eight percent of our 147 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: members across a cross our obviously the police force. Unfortunately, 148 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: we're seeing this time and time again. As I said, 149 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 2: I've mentioned before, I haven't even spoke to the new 150 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: chief minutes and she's a patient. She's been apported, she 151 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: hasn't bothered to pick up the phone. She hasn't bothered 152 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: to ring us and find out what our views are. 153 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: And the police Minister is very quiet as well at 154 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 2: the moment as well. 155 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: So can I just I mean, I suppose going back 156 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: to those numbers, so with the two hundred extra police 157 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: over four years, with the additional call takers and CCTV operators. 158 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: Based on a conversation that I'd had with Martin, the 159 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: acting Assistant Commissioner, a couple of weeks ago, he had 160 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: said to us on the show that crime has tripled 161 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory over five years. So when you 162 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: take that into account, are these numbers you know, and 163 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: I guess you've already given your answer, but are these 164 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: numbers really going to cut it when we look at 165 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: the level of crime that we're currently experiencing. 166 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: Definitely not, Katie. And obviously this is going to be 167 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: proved to how obviously quickly we can recruit where at 168 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: capacity at the college at the moment, we cannot recruit 169 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: any further new recruits. We're saying that obviously information is 170 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: coming through. Obviously they're recruiting new police officers, they're entitled 171 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 2: to twenty thousand dollars bonus when they're recruited and everything else, 172 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: which equates to probably about sixteen or seventeen million dollars 173 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: per year. Why aren't we using this to retain our 174 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: experienced police officers. Why isn't there a bonus or something 175 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: to maintain that level of experience in the Northern Territory 176 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: and actually use that to a better to obviously make 177 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: our police force a better ability to respond to these 178 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: levels of crime. But at the moment, we're not going 179 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: to see any change to our front in the immediate future. 180 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: We're still going to see the dramas we're having last night. 181 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: A prime example of that is obviously the youth Yeah 182 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: at don Dale. At don Dale last night, I'm advised 183 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: last night we had up to two hundred jobs on 184 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 2: the screen that hadn't been dispatched. We had one crew 185 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: available within Dale and to respond to incidents, and all 186 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: the rest of them were tied up at don Dale. 187 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: So talk us through with that situation at don Dale. 188 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: From a police perspective and from the union's perspective, there 189 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: was obviously a number of officers that were required out there. 190 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 3: How did it go I've. 191 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 2: Just received information. Obviously as I was coming into the 192 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 2: studio as well, I made sure I up to date information. 193 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: They've just been resolved this situation. That's the six that 194 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: were remaining on the roof earlier this morning. We're back 195 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: in custody not too long ago, which is obviously great, 196 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: but obviously this behavior overnight we've seen up to four 197 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: buildings being burnt at don Dale. This hasn't been obviously 198 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: widely announced out there, but again, up to four buildings 199 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: have been burnt. They've been throwing projectiles at police officers 200 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: at Territory Family staff as well. I know that one 201 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: of our members has been a hospitalized because of this. 202 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: Over They're okay from all reports, they're okay. Again, we're 203 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: just obviously monitoring that and making sure that they are okay, 204 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: and we're seeing this type of behavior. This is they're 205 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: supposed to be intercarceration. These are our serious youth offenders 206 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: that obviously get to get into being sentenced into don Dale, 207 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: which by you all accounts, it takes a lot of 208 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: offending to be even sentenced to don Dale. These people 209 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: are supposed to be in custody, supposed to be controlled 210 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: and they're clearly not. Their behavior is actually disgusting as 211 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: placing our members' lives at risk, which we've seen overnight. 212 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: There's been chair legs, there's been bold as, there's been 213 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: all sorts of infrastructure damage within that facility and thrown 214 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: at our attending police officers. 215 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: So you're saying that we're throwing cheer legs at cheer legs. 216 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: There was numerous items being thrown at them from inside 217 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: the facility. They basically had control of the facility and 218 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: grabbing whatever they could, going to the rooftops and throwing 219 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 2: at the members that obviously trying to coordinate contain Obviously 220 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: that situation. 221 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: It takes a lot of resources then though, by the 222 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: sounds of it, from our Northern Territory Police to go 223 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: out there and assist territory families to get things under control. 224 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: Not to mention the firees as well, I'm assuming having 225 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: to put those fires out. 226 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So as an example of that last night also Cadie, 227 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: I had a negotiator who was a lead negotiator out 228 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: there that didn't finish until one thirty this morning and 229 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: had to finish at one thirty because he needed to 230 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: be back there by seven o'clock again this morning to 231 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 2: obviously take over that lead negotiation again to make sure 232 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: this obviously situation was resolved as peacefully as what it 233 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: could be. And we had calls going out for overtime 234 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: for members which weren't taken up because members are fatigued. 235 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: Members haven't got the staff. And we then obviously plays 236 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: that in the background that we're in a major city 237 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: with what I'm told is one available police unit, which 238 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: is two members available to respond to members of the crime, 239 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: members of the community. 240 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: Obviously, so you were saying right now, we have got 241 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: one police units that was overnightcase. Overnight one police unit, 242 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: so two police officers to respond to any crime in 243 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: Darwin overnight. 244 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: Outside of obviously the detention the detention center issue that 245 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: we have. 246 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if something big happened, though, surely would they 247 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: be able to call those officers away from the detention 248 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: center to go out and help. 249 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: That'd be obviously an operational decision that I have to 250 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: make at the time, depending on what the incident was. 251 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: But unfortunately, this is not a too uncommon occurrence, Katie, 252 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: and members are being placed under this pressure on a 253 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 2: daily basis. We haven't got enough resources to deal with 254 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: the crime that's obviously committed. There's two hundred other reports 255 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: of crime that haven't been even responded to or dispatched 256 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: to police officers. And that'd be a wide range of 257 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: incidents that have been obviously reported to police. Yeah, I'm 258 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: assuming there'd be unlawful entries there, there'd be domestic violence 259 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: since that we haven't even actually attended. 260 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: Wow, all right, Well, we are going to be speaking, 261 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: as I said to the Police Minister just before ten 262 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: o'clock this morning, really quickly, and I know it's not 263 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: a quick kind of answer, but a really quick one obviously, 264 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: Springs police this morning, they've told ABC News that the 265 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: curfew in Alice is continuing to reduce crime. Lee Yates 266 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: telling the ABC that there's been a significant reduction in 267 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: youth related offending. Now we know the government have confirmed 268 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: that they are considering an extension to that curfew. 269 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: You've previously told us on the show. You'd revealed on 270 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 3: the show. 271 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: Last Thursday that it could be unlawful, but you have, 272 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: by the sounds of it's got plenty on the ground 273 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: saying that it's working. 274 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: Should it be extended, Finny. 275 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: I'd love to see as extended, but again we're not 276 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: using that legislation to actually control the situation. We've got 277 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: enough resources on the ground and Alice Springs to do 278 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: the proactive policing. 279 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: So I reckon it's more resourcing that's working right. 280 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: Now as exactly resourcing, Katie, and we cannot attribute the 281 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 2: curfew to what they actually downturn and offending. We're actually 282 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: seeing more police officers on the street, which is obviously 283 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: reducing the ability for these type of actions to take 284 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: place in these youth to engage in these type of activities. 285 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: We're seeing them engage a lot earlier, not after they've 286 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: committed offenses. We're actually seeing him engage beforehand and obviously 287 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: attempting to be taken to a safe place prior to this. 288 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: Sounds like any additional police at this point in time 289 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: into the Northern Territory would be a massive assistance. 290 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: Guaranteed, Katie, And just to relieve the pressure on our 291 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: obviously our members as well, and obviously that health and 292 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: well being of our members as well that's just been 293 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: compromised on a daily basis because of our under resourcing. 294 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: We need immediate resources now and obviously to assist them 295 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: on the front line well. 296 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, the president of the Northern Territory Police Association, 297 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: always appreciate your time. 298 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 3: Thanks very much for joining us today. Take care. Thank you.