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Speaker 1: Oh look, there's no doubt about it. People are incredibly

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Speaker 3: So Leah. That was last week.

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Speaker 2: we've got major issues with rehabilitation. This government came to

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Speaker 2: government and within six months scrapped mandatory alcohol reabilitation citing

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Speaker 2: it was too expensive. Well, I challenged Natasha Files and

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Speaker 2: from domestic violence, what is the actual cost of that?

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Speaker 2: And we need to be looking a lot harder at

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Speaker 2: rehabilitating people targeting amos chronically affected by alcohol and providing

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Speaker 2: so they stop perpetrating misery on themselves and people around them.

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Speaker 1: Well Leaf and Okiara, I think it's a discussion that

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Speaker 1: all of us do need to to make sure that

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Speaker 1: You know, we've spoken to one of the other police

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Speaker 1: those domestic violence rates and the highest he's seen in

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Speaker 1: ten years. However, you look at this right now, we've

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Speaker 2: We do. The domestic violence is up over thirty eight

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Speaker 2: Alice brings even higher than that. It's an absolute you know,

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Speaker 2: it's an absolute disgrace that those numbers continue to grow

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Speaker 2: and it shows that there is failure in policy. You know,

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Speaker 2: this government has just set and forget. It's like we

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Speaker 2: had the Riley Review when they first came to government,

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Speaker 2: and they feel like that's absolved them for all responsibility

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Speaker 2: going forward. Well, it's not. You have to measure the

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Speaker 2: success or failure of your program and invest money in

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Speaker 2: what works, and pull but money back on areas that

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Speaker 2: don't work and reinvest it somewhere else. You know, everyone

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Speaker 2: should be having a crack. I'm not criticizing government for

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Speaker 2: having a try, but from trying something, and I'm forgetting

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Speaker 2: about it. That's not acceptable because it's literally people's lives there.

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Speaker 1: Is Well, Kcchiaro, we really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Let us know how things go in Alice Springs, and

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Speaker 1: please feel free to tell the people of Alice if

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Speaker 1: they want to get in contact with us.

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Speaker 3: We're always happy to hear from them here in Darwin.

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Speaker 2: I will do Katie, no worries.

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Speaker 3: Thank you,