WEBVTT - Mike Goldstein and The Big Chill 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.000 Hello, Peter Helly. He welcome to you Ain't seen nothing 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.440 yet the Movie Podcast. We're our chat to a movie 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.240 lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:14.080 got around to watching until now. And today's guests comedian 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:23.160 Mike Goldstein, all below. I want to stay here with you. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:41.320 He's the jobble my hate sneake sucked. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.760 Hi hail, They couldn't haven't any right now? 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:47.760 You ain't seen nothing. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:00.440 Mike Goldstein is not in Kansas anymore. Yes, Mike is 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.320 becoming one of my favorite Americans. He moved out here 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.120 years ago. I'm not even sure exactly what brought him me. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.040 If it was love or if it was to pursue 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.920 comedy outside of America in Australia why not. But Mike 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.120 has been absolutely dominating the local scene. He is a 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:22.560 razor sharp, his edgy, his funny audiences. You would have 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.920 seen him on TV on shows like Tonightly Hughesy We 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.840 have a problem. But more recently, over the last couple 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.720 of years, he's been killing it on the one hundred 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:36.720 with Andy Lee. It's a really fun show. Audiences loving it. 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.399 It's back for us like fourth or fifth season, and 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.680 Mike is I guess a team captain or he's on 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.240 at least every second week. Him and Sophie Monk share 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.040 the duties, and I had the opportunity to do an 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.440 episode within recently which will be out in the future, 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.880 and it was just great fun hanging out with him. 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.680 He's a comic that I've watched a lot, and we've 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.760 been backstage a bit, but I haven't really had a 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.480 lot of time to genuine hangs, so I'm looking forward 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.400 to this. He has a podcast called The Phone Hacks, 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.040 which we might discuss a little bit later on because 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:12.080 I was involved inadvertently in one of his episodes. But 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.280 Mike is a big movie fan, so I'm looking forward 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.200 to this. He, like I said, is razor sharp. He's 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:24.280 a real comedy joke writer. Like he's a real craftsman 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.880 with his stand up and I'm stoked to be hanging 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.120 with him today. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.720 Hey, everybody, my name is Mike Goldstein, and my three 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:40.000 favorite films are The Thing You Tie upon Rober. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:47.359 Here, we're gonna draw a little bit of everybody's blood. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:56.120 We're going to find out who's the thing. Watching Norris 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.799 and There gave me the idea of it. Maybe every 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.400 part of him was a whole. Every little piece is 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.359 an individual animal with a built in desire to protect 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:16.960 its own life. You see, when a man bleeds, it's 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.799 just tissue, my blood from one of you things on 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:23.040 to bay when it's attacked. 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.480 I'm trying to survive, uh far ago. 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:33.200 I'd be very surprised if I suspect was from Brainerd. Yeah, 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.800 and I tell you what from his footprint, he looks 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.080 like a big fella. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:44.240 You see something down there, Chief, No, I just think 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:49.800 I'm gonna burw jeez you okay, Margie, Yeah. 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.520 I'm fine, it's just morning sickness. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.840 Well that passed and back to the future. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.760 When this baby hits hedy a b prour here we 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.320 got to see some serious ship. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.360 Up until this week, I had never seen the Big Chill. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:29.440 That you want. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:30.640 How wonder. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:37.360 I'll chose to make yes. Rarely has a movie been 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.280 so entwined with its soundtrack as nineteen eighty three's The 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:45.040 Big Chill from the opening chords of Marvin Gaye's timeless classic, 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.400 I heard it through the grapevine. We feel in safe hands. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:53.479 Seven college friends are reunited under somber circumstances in South 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.760 Carolina after their friend Alex's suicide. Alex played by young 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.440 Kevin Costner in the performance that was completely cut from 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.840 the finished film. What follows is a weekend of sex, drugs, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.480 and motown, as well as facing up to the people 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.840 they have become and wondering if the younger, more idealistic 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:14.920 selves would forgive them. Yes, adulthood is fun. Fresh off 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.560 riding a couple of sleeper indie hits, namely The Empire 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.920 Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost, Dark Rider and Now, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.320 director Lawrence Kasden gets more personal here, and he gets 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.719 to do so with a stellar cast Glenn Close, who 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.839 nabbed the film's only Oscar nomination, Kevin Klein, William Hurt, 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.560 Jeff Goldblue, Mary kay Place, Tom Berenger, and Joe Beth Williams. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:40.120 The Big Chill somehow remains delightful despite its grim subject matter. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.320 Mike Goldstein, you're an American? You grab in America? Did 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.760 you grow up on reruns of J T. Lancer? 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.160 I mean, I did appreciate the magnum Pi reference to this. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.120 I have a shitty mustache, as you can say, and 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.880 that is definitely a magnum Pi influenced and I wish 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.839 you know, JT Lancer seemed like the more hedonistic magnum p. 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.159 I yes, and so I mean if we had J T. Lancer, 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:05.279 I would have been watching the shit. 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.000 I mean, I would still watch J T. Lancer. If 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.960 they want to make a reboot JD. Lancer, I am 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.640 here for it. Mike, Thanks for joining us this podcast. 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.920 You know you just say this at the end of 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:18.960 country fimement. You've watched a film for us, And thanks 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.159 for making the time out of your busy schedule doing gigs, 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.520 your own podcasts, but are recording one hundred. It's all 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.440 going on for my Cal's thing. There's no doubt about that. 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:26.880 That's right. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.400 The Big Chili is such an American film, even though 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.640 it's very universal. Why hadn't you seen it? 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.560 It's just one of those ones that slipped by, Like 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:41.200 I'd seen the other ensemble eighties movies, saying Elmo's Fire 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.960 Breakfast Club, this one maybe eighty three was a little 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:46.720 too far. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.240 Back from me. And I knew my old man loves 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:50.039 this film. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.760 Right, It's a much loved film, this one. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.240 Yeah, And to him, I think it was like his Avengers. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:59.039 You know, It's like all these huge actors at the 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.600 time like covering a other and you know, like it's 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:05.160 it's very dialogue heavy, and he was, you know, always 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.560 I knew he loved this, he raved about it. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:07.960 You know. 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:12.000 I was only born in eighty so like I was 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:16.600 not provy to it, and I knew of the insane 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:22.000 Kevin Costner thing, so that always like piqued my interest. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.920 And it's just like I do love eighties movies, as 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.080 you can tell by one of my picks. And yeah, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.760 I just feel like I do like an ensemble film 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.200 and this one had just been a glaring omission and that. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:36.520 Well it was a glaring omission for me as well. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.800 I'd never seen I was so thrilled when you suggested 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.840 this because I mean, I mean I've almost watched it 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.000 on my own time. Yeah, and I still could have 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:46.760 easily done that obviously, And I had done an occasion 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.080 with movies that I wanted to see, but I thought, 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.360 I'm going to wait till somebody picks this. Yeah, it 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.880 is loom large in my mind because people do connect 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.160 with this film. I think there is there is a 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.240 palet in this film. That is how we both feel 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.040 about it, particularly you because you've watched it for the 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.480 first time and being a bit younger than my good self. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.920 See how it hits for you. Let's talk about your 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.560 three favorite films, good films. The Thing is a beauty. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:16.920 I'm not sure if the Thing has come up in 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.000 our three favorite films it should. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.240 I think it was on the list that you sent me. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.360 And then in one of my emails back, I said, 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.720 if anyone hasn't seen the Thing, they can't claim to 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:27.320 like movies. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.800 That's what I love about this podcast. Yeah, people have 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.400 like violent reactions to their favorite things. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.120 Well, the fact that Nick Cody hadn't seen Back to 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.800 the Future, it's ridiculous. And he dresses like Marty mcclyd. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.400 He wears a vest all the time. And I see 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.360 Hi mc ggigs and I'm like, you, Marty mcly look 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.360 a dipshit And he's like, oh, I only just watched it. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.480 I'm like, what, how the hell did that miss you? 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:49.439 You know, that's amazing. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.720 Judith Lushy like grew up, you know, Catholicism, hanging up. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.280 It almost became a nun. She's a Sinophile. Yeah, and 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.040 she'd never seen the sound of music like that. This 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.199 made no sense to me, So it is I think 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.679 that's the hidden superpower of this these podcast is it's 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.040 like you were always like the reaction when I say 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.000 I could say to somebody, Mike als is coming into 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.600 the big Chill. What they'll have a movie that they 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.280 haven't seen that's surprising. But do you think that, well, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.000 we'll get into don't think the big chills out there 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.199 in the future. I think I think Cody's Cody and 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.840 Judith Flushy and Sam Pang would never seen the Castle 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.840 whilst working with the people who made the castle. They're 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:25.800 the clubhouse leaders. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:27.679 As far as he should be fired from work and 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:28.600 dog he's just for that. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.920 Reason he should and and and the logies. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.400 Well, we all saw the monologue. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.240 I Love you Sam Nable again two from two two 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.440 and two. Let's tell what you three films out So 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.160 the thing about the thing, So it's a cracker. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:45.079 It's the best. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.640 It's like an absolute master class and paranoia and tension 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:53.920 and uh, practical effects, everything about it. I mean just 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.560 you know, it's sci fi and horror and Kurt Russell 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:01.240 I think career best performance. I I can't really fault 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.319 anything about the movie at all. And then I was thinking, 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.400 because you know, on the way up here. I was like, Oh, 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.600 I knew you're gonna ask three favorite films. And I 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.079 was like, what if I threw you a curveball? And 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.720 I was like, Oh, it's actually the twenty and eleven 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:13.880 thing that I. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.960 Love Legend and Mary Wednesday. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.440 Wednesday, Yeah, like that one. And I'm like, I'm like, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:21.960 I don't even know there was an older one. 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.160 I saw that. I think we may have had to 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.720 watch it for the interview on TV or radio. Yeah, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.160 didn't mind. It did not mind. Like I thought it 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.040 was a reasonable remake. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.960 It's yeah, I just think, you know, there's the nostalgia 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.200 movies that they're trying to milk, you know, like the 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.000 Point Break remake, Like just if you were that guy 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.360 that were like, oh, the Point Break remakes is better, 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:47.640 but the thing itself is. 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.000 A remake, right I think you're right, yes, yeah, yes. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.600 So that's the middle one because I think there was 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.000 a like nineteen fifties version of the thing. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.720 It's a bit like I think people work that out 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.520 when the probably the thing was really oh there was 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.840 another thing. It's like a star is born. Yeah, you know, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:07.319 like it was not like the fourth time that films we. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.160 May Yeah, exactly. So the Yeah, to me, one of 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.240 the best scenes of all time is the blood testing 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.800 scene and the thing I think the most tense, and yeah, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.480 the acting in it is amazing. And then obviously the 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.640 creature whened the head gets decapitated and it sprouts you know, 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.640 iraqnet legs amazing, right, And I think I saw that 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.240 for the first time when I was twelve year right, 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.079 and that's just burned into Mysachi. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.280 Yeah. Yeah, And isn't it going to see Kurt Russell 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.439 have a bit of a renaissance, you know, over the 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.640 last ten years or so, like going back to probably 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.480 Django Unchained. I think he probably reappeared or he seemed 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.360 to repeat. Yeah, hbo. You know, I mean obviously these 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.040 actors don't listen to this podcast, but yeah, you're working 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.040 on a lot of movies. It just went went hitting. 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.160 Oh yeah, he was in Tarantino and then he winning 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.040 back also for once by the time in Hollywood. It's 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.840 just it's just good. Yeah, it's Michael Keaton, those actors 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.320 in the eighties that kind of hit big in the 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.160 eighties maybe lost their way for what reasons, and then 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:03.240 getting their chances again. 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:04.199 Oh death Proof. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.960 He was amazing and then then you know he got 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:12.520 folded into the Marvel universe as the Dad in Guardians of. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.520 The Galaxy, the second one, that's right. Yeah, yeah, so 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:16.319 yeah he has. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.600 I mean, he's always been one of my favorite actors, Like, 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.800 you know, John Carpenter also did Escape from New York, Escape. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:26.720 From La Snake Pliskin, Pilskin plisket, plis getting well snake plisket, 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:31.319 snake snake. We know snake, you know, of course. 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.120 Yeah, so to me, yeah, he's always been top five 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:39.000 probably favorite actors. And then everyone in the in the 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:43.680 thing is just like delivers every aspect of it. And 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.600 the fact that you know, the twenty eleven one relies 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.319 heavily on CGI, whereas you know, you see practical effects 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:51.959 and you're like that so much better. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.640 It's something directors when they use practical effects, whether it's 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.000 Christopher Nolan, you know, like they will go on and 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.280 then I'll try to make the and yes, you can 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:06.120 get away with special effects that look really genuine and 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.600 when you're watching it you won't even maybe notice on 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.760 a conscious lebel but there's something self conscious about that 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.920 experience of seeing practical effects used. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.040 Oh amazing, Like and just last night I saw the 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.320 new alien movie Romulus. Ah, right, and they go back 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.640 there's still some CGI, but they go back to like 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.760 a dude in a rubber suit, and I'm like that rules. Yeah, 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.280 it's amazing, you know, because that's what I mean, Alien 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.800 and the Aliens what we kind of grew up on, 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:33.800 you know, seeing that chair and so the fact that 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.559 he's thrown it back to you know, the face huggers 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.080 or little practical puppets and stuff. There is still the 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:40.880 mix of CGI. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.800 But I was just like that blew me away. I 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.319 was like, thank god, Well. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:49.199 What I liked about the more recent Star Wars sequels, Yeah, 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.560 and I was more into it than you know, some 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.559 people were. J Abrams is practical effects again, and even 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.960 in the Mandalorian, you know your Grogus, you know you 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.280 can see it's a practical it's a puppet, you know, 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.319 it's you know, I think there's an electronic city somewhere, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.440 but he's there on set. And there's something good about. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:12.120 Real fans has Grogu instead of Baby Yoda. Hell yeah, deep. 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.280 Sorry sorry, I mean if you don't know, he's not 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:21.480 Baby Yoda. By now, let's talk about Fargo very surprisingly, 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.400 we're about one hundred and sixty odd episodes into this 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.960 podcast and the Ca'm Brothers have not come up enough 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.200 for mine. In fact, I'm not even sure if we've 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.040 covered one. I'm not sure if people are embarrassed that 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:34.840 they to put their hand up and say, I haven't 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.960 seen you know, a Fargo or a czy country. Yeah. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.000 That that infuriates me because I could have gone top 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.320 three all Coen Brothers. Yeah, to be honest, I mean, 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.600 I did an Honor's Arts degree because I you know, 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.760 I have no other skills, and in the Honor's Arts agree. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.560 It's before I did a lot of degree. I wrote 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.920 a dissertation on a genre theory and the Coen Brothers, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.680 basically because I wanted to spend a year just watching 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.640 the Coen Brothers movies and not doing anything else. And 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.560 my dissertation absolute dogshit. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.120 By the way, I think it's like they buried it. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.880 But it must be. It must be hard, I think, 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.720 to write about the Coen Brothers because they share very 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.080 little about what they think their films is about, which 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.640 I thinks can be infuriating, but also I kind of 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.600 love it because it's their work is open to interpretation. Yeah, 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.560 sometimes I get impression that they're not as much into 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.400 that idea of everything means something like this is just 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.960 like this esthetically works, this, this is we like this 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.400 because it's funny. Yeah, and everyone's trying to like work 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:40.800 at every little detail. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.560 I know, but there is that's the thing, so much 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.040 subtext in all of their films, and you're like, you 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.400 know inside Lewin Davis, I watched again recently. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:49.480 It's an underrated film. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.520 Amazing A serious man like I watched a couple of 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:53.800 weeks ago and I was like, this is. 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.040 So much better than I felt after first watch. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.560 Yeah, because I was watching it and you know, after 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.600 No Country and Fargo, Barton Fink, you know I should 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.600 have watched. You know, Lady Killers are intolerable cruelty. 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:10.680 I'll tell you what they I think one of the 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.320 most underrated films is is Burn. After reading I think 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.480 definitely maybe their funniest film. I think I have it 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.760 funnier than The Big Lebowski. Yeah, I just think I 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.400 think it's George Clooney and his funniest Yeah. I think 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.400 he's brad pitted, he's funniest. Franz mcdoin's always great everyone's 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.200 just so Malkovich Malcovich. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.720 Yeah, yeah, he's great in it, and I don't. 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.000 Want to have to google him again. But who's who's 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.680 the guy who's you know, the shape of Ward. I'm 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.200 gonna have Richard, Oh Jenkins Jenkins, of course, Richard Jenkins 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:40.360 is so good. 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:41.760 He's so good. Yeah. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.480 And that's the thing, like there's Coen Brothers movies that 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.400 have flown under the radar, like Billy Bob Thornton was 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.040 never better than Man who Wasn't There? Yeah, which was 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.080 kind of like a big part of the you know, 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.160 the genre of the film noir thing, and I kind 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.200 of used it and that in Barton Fink and Miller's Crossing, 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.640 which again, I mean, we could just talk Coen Brothers 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:00.920 if you want. 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.000 We haven't made with a cam brother film that you 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.840 actually did nominate being far, but any film I think 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.320 with the Coen Brothers that I've watched when it was 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.359 released and was underwhelmed by, like you did with A 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.040 Serious Man, if you come back to it later on, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.239 maybe you were in the red headspace, maybe you went 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.040 ready for it. Yeah, but I suspect, like Lady Killers, 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.480 I must say, didn't you know and it's I sense 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:24.440 it's not one of their best. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:29.400 No, I think there's zany comedy stuff like Intolerable Cruelty 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.000 and what was the Hail Caesar? Yeah yeah, those ones 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:34.879 just don't really hurt for me the same. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.240 Yeah, I'm a bit the same. Where brother, where at? Now? 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.359 I that's come up a couple of times in people's favors. 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:46.399 Actually that again, I think when when Clooney overplays comedy, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.880 it's jarring to me, you know, But I think we've 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.720 been after reading For whatever reason, he just he found there. 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.920 There was something about a super handsome guy trying to 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.320 be funny. I'm like, stay in your lane, dude. 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:02.199 Yeah, can I mark you? Shimmering eyes? What smile? 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:04.960 But Fargo? 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.879 Yeah, I think every frame of that movie is just masterful. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.160 And I grew up in Kansas, and the phrase for that, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.480 the kind of the night it's called Minnesota ice. Right, 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:22.480 this kind of you're outwardly polite and you know, very gregarious, 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.359 but like there is a passive aggressiveness to it. And 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.400 so that's a Midwest thing, right, That's it's Minnesota and ice. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.840 I know the phrase, but I in Kansas, you see 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.760 that a shit on as well. Right, and so that 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:40.080 kind of demeanor like really struck a chord with me. Again, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:45.840 the performances Francis McDorman, will each Macy and oh Pashimi, yeah, 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.240 Peter Stormyer, just every the whoever plays the Dad character. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.159 The scene that I've argued about the most with people 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.800 is the Mike Yanagita scene where Francis mcdormant meets an 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:58.359 old friend. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:18:59.080 Yes. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.160 Yeah, And people are like, why is it in the movie, Yes, 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.480 and it's to me it's perfect. 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.960 Well, I've thought about that scene a lot as well. Yeah, 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.640 and that's what I like about the Caen Brothers, where 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.760 we want to have this scene because we just like 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.000 this scene. Yeah, and then it does inform character. Uh huh. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.680 It's not completely waste, but because it's not plot necessary 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:23.879 for the plot, Yeah, I think people it jars with 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:24.399 some people. 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:24.840 Yeah. 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.879 But then to me, now that I've watched it so 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.679 many times, I think her character has a slight shift. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.679 She's more cynical after that scene and goes back and 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:37.200 interviews Jerry Lundergard and she's more not willing to accept 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.919 him at face value, and so there's a shift in 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:45.159 her demeanor and her investigative work post the Mike Yanagita 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:46.600 conversation interesting. 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.919 Yeah, the scene that I always again I love as well. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.040 And there's so many great scenes in this and it 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.880 was exciting. I started in the cinema and it's exciting. 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.560 I think I Risable Dogs comes out before this. I think, yeah, 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.920 so Steve Ashimil seen Steve Machini before. I'm trying to 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.720 think of how much of Frances McDormand. I would have 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.639 seen Frants mcdawnds Missippi Burning, so I would have actually 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.879 seen her because I love that movie. I think we 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:12.160 make Macy was new to me, so it felt like 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.840 either I was watching people I didn't know particularly well, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.000 or I'd kind of forgotten about and or new people. 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.840 This felt like this, This town felt very real to me. 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.080 He wasn't filled with movie stars. And the scene when 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.760 we match Macy's character is Jerry is he's getting frustrated 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.880 and he's trying to get the ice of his windscreen 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.679 and that's the moment that makes him crack. And I 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.560 think that is so true to life that we don't 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.119 explode necessarily in those moments that we think, oh, hang on, 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.440 you've just been told this horrible thing. When you explode 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.800 you explode, you know, when you can't get the door 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.600 open in the house with the key won't go, you know, 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.000 the shopping burst bag bursts. 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.480 Yeah, of course, such a perfect just character moment. I mean, 0:20:55.560 --> 0:21:00.040 he just delivers an amazing performance and that and the 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.800 scenes with her and him obviously stand out. But yeah, 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:07.119 you're right, the BUSHEMI storm are Like, it's just the 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.880 combinations of characters in that movie just make it just 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:12.320 crackle the whole time. 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:13.439 Yeah, right to me. 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.199