WEBVTT - When Christmas Doesn't Slay - Uncut with Dr Hannah Korrel

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<v Speaker 1>Life Uncut podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout

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<v Speaker 1>Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. We

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<v Speaker 1>pay our respect to their elders past and present and

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<v Speaker 1>peoples today.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode is recorded on Gadigal Land of the Aurora Nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life

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<v Speaker 2>on Cut. I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and we have someone

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<v Speaker 2>very special joining us for the start of this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>It is producer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry for all of you that were like

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<v Speaker 1>so excited being like, oh, who's.

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<v Speaker 2>Special and under why is Stillila's attention? Just want you

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<v Speaker 2>to pack.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw you on the project last night saying that

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't like puppies and we knew who you were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Delilah. All puppies, not Delilah. Delia's not a puppy anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>She's one. She's past the threshold of puppiness.

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<v Speaker 1>She's eighteen months.

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<v Speaker 2>She no longer like tries to jump on me when

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<v Speaker 2>I walk in. She no longer tries to piss on things.

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<v Speaker 2>She no longer tries to eat things. Like she's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of calmer, and yeah, I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an update on Delilah, because we did have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people write in that were interested in her

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<v Speaker 1>heat and what was happening in her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Also a lot of people who were angry at me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry, guys, didn't go unnoticed. People annoyed at me

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<v Speaker 2>that I didn't fully get amongst caring about Delilah's heat.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sorry, Britt that I didn't give you more Delilah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I felt that tell me more about Delilah's in

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<v Speaker 2>gorge nipples.

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<v Speaker 1>So for a juicecation, I were talking about Delilah today.

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<v Speaker 1>Something different. Dyla is eighteen months now, she's had her

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<v Speaker 1>first heat. She's just finished, and she's a different dog.

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<v Speaker 1>And you used to say everyone'sed to say to me

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<v Speaker 1>when we're at the park, and I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, she's chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>She's absolute k And I walked in today and she

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<v Speaker 2>was using a knife and walk at the table, So

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<v Speaker 2>she's incredibly.

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<v Speaker 1>They're every grown up, but everything's to say, wait till

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<v Speaker 1>I gets to eighteen months, And I thought, yeah, right. Anyway, Literally,

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<v Speaker 1>it was almost like to the day she's just a

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<v Speaker 1>different dog. She's chill, she's cute, mainly listens to me.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been a bit moody, and she was going no heat.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, the I forget it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, it's like hormonal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a proper period, right, It's actually amazing to

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<v Speaker 1>watch they get the same effects as humans get.

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<v Speaker 2>So they get it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing to watch a phoenix evolving from the ashes. It's

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<v Speaker 1>because because it is actually they go through the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So they suggest you get hot water bottles for their

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<v Speaker 1>tummy and stuff because it's a period.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to side with Laura.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I have been on board the Delilah heat chat,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think we have reached the threshold. Well I

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<v Speaker 1>did put the heat pack in there, and she ripped

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<v Speaker 1>it shreds, but I did do it.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that I find like quite relatable about this

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<v Speaker 2>is you say that people had said to you've just

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<v Speaker 2>got to get to the eighteen month threshold. It's literally

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<v Speaker 2>the same threshold for children, Like the first eighteen months

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<v Speaker 2>is so hard, and then they hid eighteen months and

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, we're in the clearing. Doesn't hard getting better?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean a two's then the Terrible Earth threes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it depends. I think for me, like having

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<v Speaker 2>a newborn baby and having like a baby that can't

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<v Speaker 2>interact with you because they can't like verbalize what it wants.

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<v Speaker 2>That to me was way harder than having a toddler.

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<v Speaker 2>But everybody's you know, everyone is different, Everyone experiences things differently.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys. I want to tell you about something that I've

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<v Speaker 1>tried and tested. I've done an experiment, okay, science experimental. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'd be very proud of me collecting data. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>my personal life.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, don't let anyone tell you that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>do the research. Here at Life on Car.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a TikTok bar from a girl named Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Weetzman that sparked my fancy over the weekend, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was basically all about a new way to encourage your

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<v Speaker 1>crush to slide into your DMS, how to get them

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<v Speaker 1>to slide.

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<v Speaker 2>Into yours, like baiting someone to reply to you, so

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<v Speaker 2>not sending your dog into their DMS to come into you.

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<v Speaker 2>That was very twenty twenty of you, though, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like we've got stuck in the past, Laura, move on

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<v Speaker 2>and upwards. Okay, what have we got cash. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>newest latest fad? Do you know what?

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<v Speaker 1>Baiting is actually the perfect word for this. So what

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<v Speaker 1>she said was that, you know the new feature, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called a note that you can do in Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because a startus update. I haven't updated my Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>in like five years. It's still in black and white.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally just has a auto update. Now all Instagram has

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<v Speaker 2>to me is like that little wig filter you know

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day when you used to form like

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<v Speaker 2>a polaroid picture around all your picture. Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still the.

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<v Speaker 1>Posting pictures of sunsets and food only. Okay. So the

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<v Speaker 1>way that it works for anyone who is updated, who

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<v Speaker 1>is in twenty twenty two is that when you go

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<v Speaker 1>into the message part of your Instagram dms up, the

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<v Speaker 1>top will have people's little sticker, like you know, their

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<v Speaker 1>profile picture, and you can add what they are calling

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<v Speaker 1>a note. It's basically a very short status update.

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<v Speaker 2>But you were saying it only lasts like twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it kind of works like a story, but

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<v Speaker 1>instead of a picture, it's just like a couple of words.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't keep up. So what she has said is

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<v Speaker 1>that when you post a note. You can actually post

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<v Speaker 1>it to your close friends, but as opposed to when

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<v Speaker 1>you post on your story as a close friends, they

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<v Speaker 1>can't tell that it's only to your close friends. Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you could post it to one person but they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know it. Yes, so you can individualize the status

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<v Speaker 1>update if you want. But I wanted to test.

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<v Speaker 2>This out and see whether this was a way.

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<v Speaker 1>To encourage DM slide ins. Let me tell you how

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<v Speaker 1>fucking successful this was.

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<v Speaker 2>And what did you post?

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<v Speaker 1>As some of you may or may not know, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really into my sport. I used to work on

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<v Speaker 1>a sports radio show and most of the people that

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<v Speaker 1>I tend to like find myself attracted you are also

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<v Speaker 1>into sports. Then last night was the World Cup. So

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<v Speaker 1>between France and Argentina, of those two teams, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really have an allegiance to any of them, but I

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<v Speaker 1>really like my time that I've spent in France. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, I think that between the two teams,

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<v Speaker 1>I would probably side with France. I want France to win, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I just updated my Instagram note to have three

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<v Speaker 1>French flags because I was like, this will be interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the guys that I'm into will be watching

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<v Speaker 1>the World Cup? Like, will this spark a bit of conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of like bance between us? Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>my whole afternoon yesterday was spent replying. But do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that's just because the World Cup's the biggest thing

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<v Speaker 1>in the whole world. I think you need to try

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<v Speaker 1>and test this on like an average Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't wonder if. I mean obviously, like the

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<v Speaker 2>World Cup is something that's a very obvious and easy

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<v Speaker 2>thing for people to reply to, but like, what would

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<v Speaker 2>be your note for a Saturday night pointed at a

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<v Speaker 2>very specific man.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that it needs to be timely, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know this this Saturday night is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Eve, so maybe you know what, I can test

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<v Speaker 1>it again if you like, maybe I'll be asking people

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<v Speaker 1>if they'd be naughty or nice? Why don't you direct it? Why? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Nice?

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you try the I'm just intrigued now, because

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<v Speaker 1>you can set for just one person to see it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So why don't you pick the person in your head

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<v Speaker 1>and then literally put a cocktail emoji and a question mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And because they think it's like to anyone that's

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<v Speaker 1>out there that wants to say yes or no. And

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<v Speaker 1>then if that way, if you know that they see

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<v Speaker 1>it and they don't respond, they don't want to have

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<v Speaker 1>drink with you. Do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I am so I'm such a boomer

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<v Speaker 2>in this conversation. I am so confused by what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I really feel like I need to update my Instagram app.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also have no need to send subliminal signals

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<v Speaker 2>to a man.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can just make Matt your close friend and

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<v Speaker 1>put a picture of the baby and die for with vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>I will literally just put some spray and white bottles

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<v Speaker 2>and a fucking mop. Okay, well, this is my calling

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<v Speaker 2>to everybody. If you're out there, if you've got crushes

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<v Speaker 2>in your in your Instagram and you want to see

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<v Speaker 2>if they can slide on in, update your notes and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know I will know the outcome. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>us what you did, tell us what they're applied with,

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<v Speaker 2>and tell me if this works for you someone else?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you also try the naughty or nice thing? Let

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<v Speaker 1>me know it could be a little too thir say

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a twenty four hours to try this. You

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<v Speaker 1>can you could try different on every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well let's get into talking about what today's episode

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<v Speaker 2>is actually about. But the reason why keish just jumping

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<v Speaker 2>on this episode is because it is our last episode

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually our second last episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's our I mean, we're doing one which is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be like a walk down memory Lane and

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<v Speaker 2>a rehash on the year that was. But this is

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<v Speaker 2>our last proper Tuesday episode and we thought we would

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<v Speaker 2>get on here as a little team. We've got some

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<v Speaker 2>funny bands, but we also have a really sentimental episode

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<v Speaker 2>which we hope is going to get you guys through

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<v Speaker 2>the Christmas period. Yeah, this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually came off the back of something that someone posted

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<v Speaker 1>in our Facebook group, in the Life and Cut discussion group,

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<v Speaker 1>about going into this period of the year, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were saying how they were feeling quite lonely. They were

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<v Speaker 1>single and they didn't have their family around them, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we kind of started a conversation between ourselves. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the idea of how we're supposed to be very merry,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, merry Christmas and happy New Years, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you don't actually feel that merry at this time. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it brings up some complex emotions. Maybe you're happy and

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<v Speaker 1>you feel a lot of anxiety about this period of

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<v Speaker 1>time because you've got to spend time.

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<v Speaker 2>With family members that you don't like, or you're experiencing.

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<v Speaker 1>Grief and an expectation that you should be going into

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<v Speaker 1>this period really happy, ticking all your boxes off, wrapping

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<v Speaker 1>up the year in a nice little parcel.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not like that for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, do you know today I said to Mitchchury, who

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<v Speaker 1>we do radio with, I said, I've just had a

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<v Speaker 1>realization that I am not excited for Christmas. Not one

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<v Speaker 1>part of me was excited for Christmas. Why, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's been a tough time lately.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same old thought of Okay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas again alone, which is like not the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the world, but it's that with all these other things

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<v Speaker 1>that are happening in life, I don't feel like Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>is even here, Like I don't feel like it is

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<v Speaker 1>a week away, you know, or less. Everything has been

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<v Speaker 1>so intense that the magic is not there for me

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<v Speaker 1>this year. And I know it'll be different when I

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<v Speaker 1>get there and my family's there, but at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no part of me that is excited for Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>and that it was a really sad realization, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought there must be a lot of other people that

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<v Speaker 1>have these feelings too, for multitude of different reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's something that we spoke about last year, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a topic that comes up this time every year.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that for a lot of people, As you guys

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<v Speaker 2>both just said, if you're not feeling merry all the

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<v Speaker 2>way that you should, it almost amplifies it because it

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<v Speaker 2>shines a spotlight on not just on how you are

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<v Speaker 2>feeling now, but on the huge caveat to where you're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be. That's kind of what Christmas brings up.

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<v Speaker 2>But something that you just said then, Britt, about how

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<v Speaker 2>you're not feeling it and how maybe you will feel

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<v Speaker 2>it when you get home, and it is actually Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>something that I think I have realized this year, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's because you know, now I have my own nucleus

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<v Speaker 2>family with the kids and with Matt, and I've realized

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<v Speaker 2>that the responsibility now falls on me and also on Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>but it falls on us to create that excitement around Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, you know, even the other day Matt and

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<v Speaker 2>I were like, God, it doesn't really feel like Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>And it dawned on me and I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's because we haven't done anything to make it feel

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<v Speaker 2>that way. And as kids, and when you're growing up

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<v Speaker 2>and you're in your teens or whatever it is, it's

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<v Speaker 2>your parents' responsibility. They're the ones who kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>get everyone together. They're the ones who decorate the house.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the ones who put in the effort into making

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<v Speaker 2>the memories. And I think we're all going through this

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<v Speaker 2>really weird shifting time period in our lives where it's

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<v Speaker 2>gone from other people used to be the memory makers

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<v Speaker 2>for us, and now we are turning into the adults

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<v Speaker 2>who were responsible to be the memory makers, not just

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<v Speaker 2>for ourselves, but for other people as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think that there's a societal shift.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of us now statistically are turning away from religion,

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<v Speaker 1>and Christmas is supposed to be a religious holiday. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we spoke the other day about how my family used

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<v Speaker 1>to go caroling caroly And now if someone turned up

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<v Speaker 1>to my door with like twenty people singing me aside,

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<v Speaker 1>can you just tell me so?

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<v Speaker 2>Did we just go and knock on someone's door like

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<v Speaker 2>a complete random strange danger and then they open it

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<v Speaker 2>and as a child, you just start singing. You burst

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<v Speaker 2>out into the joy of songs.

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<v Speaker 1>There was like twenty to thirty of us that would

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<v Speaker 1>see a fucking Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>I girl would fucking love that. If a hole, we

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<v Speaker 2>would be so cute. I'll be like, oh please, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a flash mob. You don't know what you're supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember them just standing in the door and they

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<v Speaker 1>would smile like three and a half minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you give money after, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>no money, just the joy of giving just thanks by

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<v Speaker 2>move to the next house. No, no, no, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty funny. It's pretty much feels different, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it feels different for a lot of different reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you said, we're the ones that are now

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<v Speaker 1>making the traditions. Samish Flake says, traditions are not that

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<v Speaker 1>old in a lot of families, but you're creating like

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<v Speaker 1>new ones, and maybe we're not creating as many as

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<v Speaker 1>what we used to. That's the thing, right, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>live alone. I've got no one to decorate my house for,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can be bold to decorating for myself, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have one I had one little piece of

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<v Speaker 1>tinsel that I put on my fiddle leave three.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I just took it down. So because your

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<v Speaker 2>poor fiddle lift fig will have a real tanty if

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<v Speaker 2>you try and decorate it. The other thing of this, though,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's something we touched on last year's episode, Britt

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<v Speaker 2>and you know you mentioned it again. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes we can focus on single, like you know, being

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<v Speaker 2>single at Christmas time and how difficult that can be,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was very much the focus of last year's conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had a really interesting conversation with someone recently

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<v Speaker 2>and it's really shone a light that it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>about being single, but something that I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people and it can drag up feelings for is

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in a relationship but you're not happy, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're not kicking the goals in your relationship of where

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<v Speaker 2>you expected it to be, because Christmas can be this

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<v Speaker 2>fucking weird time that almost turns into like a purgatory

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<v Speaker 2>because you're like, well, I don't want to break up

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<v Speaker 2>with someone because I have Christmas plans. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm doing. They're supposed to be coming to my

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<v Speaker 2>house for Christmas. We had a Christmas holiday planned, so

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people almost feel like if they're not

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<v Speaker 2>happy in their relationship, they almost feel like they have

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<v Speaker 2>to try and get through the Christmas period in order

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<v Speaker 2>to make some big life decisions in the new year.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the reason why we wanted to do

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<v Speaker 2>this episode this is not for us to be scroogers.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we all collectively fucking love what Christmas can bring

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<v Speaker 2>and what this period can bring. And there are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be so many of you who are die hard

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas caroling, living your best life, taking your kids to

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<v Speaker 2>the carols, just like truly enjoying what this time brings.

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<v Speaker 2>But we wanted to also have this episode to reflect

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<v Speaker 2>for those people who haven't been feeling that supported and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, a lot of us feel the same.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, It's not just the single thing. There

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<v Speaker 1>are a multitude of reasons that we do discuss, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are Maybe it's the feesh year going into this

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<v Speaker 1>season with a level of grief, someone in your life

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<v Speaker 1>is missing, or there's a piece of your life that's missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's not even the first year you going to that,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's a few years deep. It doesn't matter. There

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<v Speaker 1>are so many different reasons that people feel a level

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<v Speaker 1>of overwhelm, and overwhelm itself is a reason in itself

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<v Speaker 1>a level of overwhelm at this time of year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So we do get into a big conversation with doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah Coral. She is a neuropsychologist and she really speaks

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<v Speaker 1>so much about how our brains are functioning at this time,

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<v Speaker 1>which I liked. She really brought the science to the table.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something that we didn't go into conversation with with

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<v Speaker 1>her that I have been thinking a lot about, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was from the Facebook post that I mentioned before,

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<v Speaker 1>was how much diet culture really rears its head at

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<v Speaker 1>this time of the year. Because for as long as

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<v Speaker 1>I can remember, my news resolution like almost up until now,

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<v Speaker 1>have all been related to and like I would put

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<v Speaker 1>it under the banner or the umbrella of being like

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<v Speaker 1>getting back into shape or it's a load of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all diet culture based. It was all about

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<v Speaker 1>losing weight, and it was all about fitting into the

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<v Speaker 1>expectation of what I wanted my summer beach bod to

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<v Speaker 1>look like.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the interesting thing of that is that

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<v Speaker 2>it usually comes off the back of the guilt that

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<v Speaker 2>you have because of Christmas, where you know, may have

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<v Speaker 2>overindulged or just fucking not even over and just enjoyed yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>just ate like a normal human having a fucking good time.

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<v Speaker 1>Or a whole toddler and cheesecake, which is what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you're made to feel guilty about it because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we do to ourselves. And like, I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>glad that you brought that up, because I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that is something that so many people will resonate with

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<v Speaker 2>because I know for so many years I did the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing, like, oh my news, resolution, let's get in shape.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think that the thing I've struggled

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<v Speaker 2>with over the years is that getting in shape has

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<v Speaker 2>never actually been until recently, has never actually been about health.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been about size, and it's been about the way

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<v Speaker 2>that I look, which I think, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have been having those thoughts, or even if you go

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<v Speaker 2>into New Year's this year thinking I'm gonna get in shape,

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<v Speaker 2>really check yourself about what is the motivating factor behind that?

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<v Speaker 1>On top of that law is it's not even just

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<v Speaker 1>I think our own internal thoughts. I worked in a

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<v Speaker 1>gym when I was in high school, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of the marketing around anything related with

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<v Speaker 1>health focus on New Year's resolutions. They focus on losing

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<v Speaker 1>that Christmas kilos and all that kind of bullshit. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're about to go into New Year, every

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<v Speaker 1>single fitness center is going to have some type of

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<v Speaker 1>sale to get January is by far the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>month for every single gym. The only other day that

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<v Speaker 1>was more popular in the gym then the first day

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<v Speaker 1>that the gym opened on the year was the day

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<v Speaker 1>after the Victoria's Secret Fashion Parade.

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<v Speaker 2>That is messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a real thing that they will target

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<v Speaker 1>you for. And all I'm saying this on the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>for is just be aware of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're going to get into the rest of it

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<v Speaker 2>with doctor Hannah very very shortly. I also had a

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<v Speaker 2>cry on this episode. Sorry, sorry about that. In Events Tarry,

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<v Speaker 2>But before we do speak to doctor Hannah, there is

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<v Speaker 2>something else that we wanted to talk about. Akisha. You

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<v Speaker 2>came across a very interesting article this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna read the headline, top positions for quiet

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<v Speaker 1>sex that offer maximum pleasure over Christmas period while you're

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<v Speaker 1>visiting family.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that it's not even.

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<v Speaker 1>Just quite sex, but it's quite sex for maximum pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is what you get in most bang for

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<v Speaker 1>your buck with zero noise?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this? Could you think that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>have to think about this, Like you're gonna go and

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<v Speaker 2>stay at the in law's house and you wanna still

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<v Speaker 2>have sex, but you're gonna like, surely you just have

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<v Speaker 2>normal sex and you just do it quiet, Like why

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<v Speaker 2>do we need to know the specific sex position?

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<v Speaker 1>Sadly for Britain, and it has been a while since

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<v Speaker 1>we've had to think about yeah's amen?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I tell you a secret?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean it's not a secret if you

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<v Speaker 1>tell the whole podcast, but yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So speaking of having quiet sex, because you're staying

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<v Speaker 2>at your parents' house a very long time ago, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking over a decade. I once had sex extremely quietly,

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<v Speaker 2>like zero noise. My boyfriend at the time's dad was

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<v Speaker 2>asleep in the same room.

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<v Speaker 1>In the same room.

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<v Speaker 2>How big was your room?

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<v Speaker 3>That's gross.

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<v Speaker 2>We lived in a studio apartment and studio to literally

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<v Speaker 2>it was a bed and then he was sleeping in

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<v Speaker 2>our bed and we were asleep on the couch. But

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<v Speaker 2>he was staying with us for three and a half weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's more outrageous staying with some of for three

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<v Speaker 1>and a half weeks. We're having sex with.

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<v Speaker 2>His father in law. It was my father in law.

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<v Speaker 3>We went back.

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<v Speaker 2>He snored so loud. It was unbelieved he had a

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<v Speaker 2>seapap machine, so it was so loud. So we knew

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<v Speaker 2>he was asleep and we were so quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>So he let me get this straight. He asked to

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<v Speaker 1>come to your house for three weeks, seapap machine in

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<v Speaker 1>your bed. You slept at his feet, You were having

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<v Speaker 1>sex at his feet. I was picturing like you pounding

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<v Speaker 1>along to the rhythm of the dark ves.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was very quiet. It was missionary. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the one on the side. What's that call sleep?

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<v Speaker 1>His sides extsides sex, Zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Noise, I'm talking is zero noise, not a single moan, nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>And it was even hard breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I see pat machine. Yeah, you're like to

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<v Speaker 1>doing timing machines.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny. Did he ever find out, No, because

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<v Speaker 2>he was asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know that's what you think exactly what he

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<v Speaker 1>was getting a show of his life and pretending.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, that's disgusting, don't be rid discus have sex.

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<v Speaker 2>It was completely dark. I was very young. It was

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<v Speaker 2>about fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Any nothing, not even like nothing nothing or did you

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<v Speaker 1>hold your breath?

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out that I can have silent sex. You had

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<v Speaker 2>a silent orgasmic. So what I want to say to everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>just stop. What I want to say to everyone is

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<v Speaker 2>that if you have to have sex, you're in law's house.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to tell you some positions. But trust me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very doable. They don't need to know about Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like this was the sex with your guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was okay, Oh my word, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>They listed six other positions that you can have quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm quoting that quiet six to the first one

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<v Speaker 1>that they listed. One of my favorites, lotus position.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the lotus.

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<v Speaker 1>One person is sitting on the bottom and then the

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<v Speaker 1>other person is sitting on top of them, like facing them,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of embracing them. Yeah, it's very sensual, okay, But

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<v Speaker 1>also like, surely none of these positions actually make a

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<v Speaker 1>difference about being quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes to down to the person probably the level.

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<v Speaker 1>Of rocking and movement and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It also comes down to how loose the springs are

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<v Speaker 2>on your bed.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you've also got a thing like doggie can be

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<v Speaker 1>louder like for example, it can, and so could if

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<v Speaker 1>you're especially missionary. But I guess if you're like doing

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<v Speaker 1>the loadus and it's sensual, there's not a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, because the person on the bottom isn't moving. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that that helps with the rocking of

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<v Speaker 1>the bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, no testicles slapping alongside. That's usually what happens. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the thock sound right, Yeah, sideway sixty nine, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I did. Oh no, that's not what I know.

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<v Speaker 1>You w upside down.

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<v Speaker 2>We're facing the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>People doing that. I feel like it's pretty awkward aside. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you usually wouldn't you just go for the

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<v Speaker 1>normal sixty nine where you're on top of each other

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<v Speaker 1>the side.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they do the sideways? Yeah, the sideway sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>just like you just have your leg bent like so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like what you lay on your side, you have

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<v Speaker 2>one leg bent up and you're kind of like in

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<v Speaker 2>each other. I wish that this was a video. You

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, I have to hold onto their leg

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. Anyway you do that one not recently but have.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do lazy sideway sixty nine?

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<v Speaker 3>I have done it, It's not on.

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<v Speaker 1>My regular repertoire, but you're the loader may add to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely a quieter one, I would say, But I would

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<v Speaker 2>also say that it's as quiet as doing a normal

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine. I wouldn't say that there's like a specifically

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<v Speaker 2>quieter difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe if you have to hold yourself up more on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think about it. I've always said that

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon it would be so loud in bed, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that. I don't know why I have

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<v Speaker 1>that perception, like I've never heard you have sex when

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's a laugh that, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think britt lives on her own?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a reason, but brittle lives on her own

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<v Speaker 1>and doesn't have sex.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a problem, all right, bring it on home. What

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<v Speaker 2>is the last one?

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<v Speaker 1>So the other two that we have already mentioned, missionary

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<v Speaker 1>and spooning, they also have listed slow doggie. Yes, it

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<v Speaker 1>has to be slow, but then is it do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to even do it? Then? I think people do

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<v Speaker 1>doggie to be slow and sensual. It's not a sensual

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<v Speaker 1>positions or Sideway sixty nine. When you nuzzled on in there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, I don't know, I don't think doggie is

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<v Speaker 1>very sensual.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm going to just say this. If you are

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<v Speaker 2>planning on having sex at the in law's house, is

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<v Speaker 2>you just put your face in a pillow and go

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<v Speaker 2>for it. Let's move on. Oh my god. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get into our favorite part of every episode, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is accidentally unfiltered. Now I have an accident unfiltered, which

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<v Speaker 2>my girlfriend told me this weekend. And there was some

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<v Speaker 2>very very good ones written in by you guys, but

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<v Speaker 2>this story had me absolutely fucking flowed. Okay, So my

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<v Speaker 2>friend went and stayed at a beautiful hotel this weekend

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<v Speaker 2>with her boyfriend, just you know, to go and have

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<v Speaker 2>some quality time together, to be together and enjoy each

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<v Speaker 2>other's company. And she did a panning video of the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel suite that she was staying at. So she walked

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<v Speaker 2>into the room and the panning video is panning of

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<v Speaker 2>like the like the mini bar and the wall and

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<v Speaker 2>the artwork, and then it goes out to this incredible

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<v Speaker 2>view over Sydney Harbor and that's the video that she

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<v Speaker 2>sent to her family chat. And when I say family chat,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean her partner's family chat with in law mom

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<v Speaker 2>and the dad and the siblings. And she sent that anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out that she also took a second video,

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<v Speaker 2>and that second video was of a beautiful pan of

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<v Speaker 2>the mini bar and of the artworks and of the view.

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<v Speaker 2>But then she panned a little bit further around to

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<v Speaker 2>the bed where her boyfriend was laying there with his

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<v Speaker 2>legs up in the air pretending to finger himself. No,

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<v Speaker 2>no she did, That's why she said. And she sent

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<v Speaker 2>that to his mum.

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<v Speaker 1>And what did his mom say? Nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing. I didn't realize this, But when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>what's that messaging? No, you can delete a message, right,

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 2>so you can say like delete for everyone. If the

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:23.760
<v Speaker 2>person hasn't updated their app to have that feature, then

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<v Speaker 2>that message does not delete for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>So he did not delete for everybody. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>that was a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So unless the person has updated their app, they

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<v Speaker 2>will still receive that message.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a hot tip for everybody. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm mad about. Remember a little while ago, Apple release

0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 1>a thing that said that when you send an eye message.

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<v Speaker 1>Now if it's in three minutes, you can unsend it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not true. It's not true. Well, Marne can't do it,

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<v Speaker 1>neither can mine. I wondered if maybe I just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to do it properly and I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Get it, because that could have come in every handy if.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you, I'm like, oh shitay it's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get into what is your actually unfiltered?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this literally just happened. Well, so I use my

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<v Speaker 1>electric toothbrush as a vibrator. I know it sounds strange,

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>but I do know I'm not the only one. It's

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<v Speaker 1>way better than any vibrator I've ever tried.

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it would be really like it would

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<v Speaker 2>blast your glitterius off.

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<v Speaker 1>As someone who reads our DMS, unfortunately she's not a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait with what I usually do is have a go

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<v Speaker 1>in the shower after I've brushed my teeth. Yeah wait, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I've just had a shower, masturbated and had a really

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<v Speaker 1>great orgasm. Afterwards, though my vage was super minty, tingling

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 1>and burning. I realized I forgot to brush my teeth

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and I masturbated with the truthpaste that's so right for

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<v Speaker 1>using the same toothbrush to do both, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>goes to still worth it. Though, I'm sorry, but surely

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you masturbate with whatever you want, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here for this, but surely you get a second one,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you get a like the insertion and the clear

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever you want for one toothbrush. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you need to use the same one. I could

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<v Speaker 1>be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you use the same mouth to eat your food,

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<v Speaker 2>to brush your teeth, and to go down on people.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, I think I'd just get.

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<v Speaker 1>Two, though I just keep one in the masturbating one

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<v Speaker 1>in the shower. I hate how hypercritical it is that

0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I care about this, because, like Laurie, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>We use the same mouth. To be fair, I will

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<v Speaker 2>replace my toothbrush if it falls on the floor. So yeah, okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>with all of that out of the way, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>into the chat with doctor Hannah. By this time of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, most of us are crawling to the finish

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<v Speaker 2>line and in survival mode to make it through the

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<v Speaker 2>working year. With things like Christmas and New Year's we

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<v Speaker 2>tend to have an added layer of pressure to just

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 2>be very jolly and cheerful when it might be the

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<v Speaker 2>last thing that we actually really feel. So we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do a whole episode on getting it through the

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 2>holiday period when things aren't just the best that they've

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<v Speaker 2>ever been in your life and joining us to give

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<v Speaker 2>us some advice is our friend, our resident neuropsychologist, Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Hannah Corral, Doctor Hannah, Welcome back to Life on Card. Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for having me, guys, doctor Hannah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a I love the fact that we've got

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<v Speaker 1>a resident neuropsychologist. That makes it sound really cool and

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:14.040
<v Speaker 1>all that cool, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Drop it in all my friendship groups. Yeah, but anybody

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:17.959
<v Speaker 2>who maybe hasn't heard you on the podcast before, can

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<v Speaker 2>you give us a quick overview on what a neuropsychologist is.

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:22.880
<v Speaker 3>So we're like a brain detective. So we figure out

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 3>where your brain is going well and where it's not

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.479
<v Speaker 3>going so well using pen and paper tests, right, So

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 3>we do the IQ score. We do things like diagnosing autism, ADHD, dementia.

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 3>So we are, yeah, like a brain detective. We figure

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<v Speaker 3>out what's going on in your history, what's happened in

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 3>the past. We spend hours and hours and hours with

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<v Speaker 3>people to figure out, get all the pieces of the

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 3>puzzle and figure out what might be happening for your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is the third time we've had you on.

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<v Speaker 1>We do love you here. You're very knowledgeable and you

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>give some really great advice. Why do people at this

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 1>time feel like everything is intensified by ten mmmmmmm because.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet done. No, you're not imagining it right, like you

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 3>are not imagining that it is a tough time of year.

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 3>It's valid. It's a valid feeling. Don't self gas light

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 3>that you're imagining because you're not. Two things I think

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 3>are recurring. One is neurological and one is psychological. So

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 3>the neurological is your cognitive cup, so your cognitive abilities.

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 3>You imagine your brain is like a cup and it

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 3>can only hold so much emotional load, cognitive load, administrative load,

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 3>all of the things, the bandwidth that you have to

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 3>do life, to do work, to do personal life. It's

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 3>all stimuli, right, And it's not a fallacy that at

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 3>the end of the year that's when all the deadlines are.

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 3>It's the end of twenty twenty two. You have to

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 3>get all your shit done before the end of the year.

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 3>You also have to jam in extra deadlines of when

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 3>to get presents, when to wrap presence, what to buy

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 3>for people, when to schedule parties, when to go to

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 3>other parties, when to drink all the outcoholm be hungover

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 3>all of this additional stress that you're adding, so orologically speaking,

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 3>your cognitive carp is getting fuller and you don't have

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 3>as much bandwidth, you don't have as much cognitive reserve,

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:09.719
<v Speaker 3>and you're cognitively overloaded.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think as well? And I mean, I think

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 2>it's probably a bit of a sweeping statement to say

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>that every single person that this year is stressed out,

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 2>because I don't think every single person is. I think

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of people who do go into

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>the Christmas period with joy, feeling all the things that

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 2>we're told we're supposed to feel, right, I'm sure that

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 2>there are lots of people who have that. But then

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>there are also a lot of people who go in

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<v Speaker 2>with almost like a feeling of guilt because they don't

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 2>feel the way that they think they're supposed to feel.

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that there is a psychological reason why

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a magnifying glass on us during especially what

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>is Christmas in New Years?

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>My gosh, yes, well that's you know number two. Reason

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 3>two is the psychological side of things. And I will say, Laura, like,

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 3>I think our understanding of emotion is sometimes very uni.

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, one emotion, but you can actually have more

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 3>than one emotion at one time. So you can be

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 3>super super stressed but also love Christmas and be absolutely overwhelmed,

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 3>but at the same time looking forward to Christmas. So

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 3>you can exist in two places at the same time.

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 3>You can have this two didactically opposed feelings at the

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 3>same time. So I hate this time of year. I

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 3>love this time of year. You can feel the two

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 3>things at once, which you know, It's something that we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about in relationships all the time. We always say, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's possible, and even in friendships, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's possible to be happy for your friend and to

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<v Speaker 3>be sad that you're missing out on something like those

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<v Speaker 3>feelings don't have to be mutually exclusive. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes when our feelings aren't concurrent with how.

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<v Speaker 2>We think we should feel, it's even worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh exactly. And if we add that extra layer of

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<v Speaker 3>guilt you mentioned before, that extra layer of guilt that

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<v Speaker 3>why don't I feel happier. Why am I anxious? Why

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<v Speaker 3>am I in this place again? And you mentioned before

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<v Speaker 3>about this expectation of where we should be at a

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<v Speaker 3>certain time of the year. And I think it's no

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<v Speaker 3>secret that at the end of the year it's review time,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't it. It's like, personally, it's your personal review time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a stressful time of year. We're about to go

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<v Speaker 3>into New Years, We're about to end twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 3>we're all probably about to enter the year of another

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<v Speaker 3>year older. This is the time of review, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think it ultimately comes down to expectations that you set

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<v Speaker 3>up for yourself. Such an interesting way of putting it,

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<v Speaker 3>like I had never thought of it before, as in,

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<v Speaker 3>like I mean, when I think about it, it is

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<v Speaker 3>exactly what we all do. We kind of assess where

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<v Speaker 3>our lives are come December, especially come New Years, where

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<v Speaker 3>we're all setting news resolutions. It's almost like that's the

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<v Speaker 3>benchmark that we kind of level ourselves up against verse

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<v Speaker 3>where we were at the year prior. And for some

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<v Speaker 3>people that might be a place where they're really happy

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<v Speaker 3>with the progress that they've made, and for others they

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<v Speaker 3>might feel like they've failed themselves. So they've failed the

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<v Speaker 3>expectations that they placed for themselves the year before, and

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 3>it ultimately comes. This is one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 3>I love neurosyite, because I've learnt so much about every

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<v Speaker 3>form of the spectrum of neurotypical to neurodiverse. But there

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 3>is something called your own personal rule book in your head.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 3>We all have our own logic book in our head

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<v Speaker 3>about what the rules are for, what the rules are

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<v Speaker 3>for Laura, what the rules are for Hannah, and in

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<v Speaker 3>our heads all of us, every single one of us,

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<v Speaker 3>and all three of us were, you know, talking about

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<v Speaker 3>those rules just earlier before we started this podcast, of

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<v Speaker 3>all our expectations. I've got the rules in my head.

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<v Speaker 3>I was supposed to be in this place by this age.

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<v Speaker 3>I was supposed to have this by this age. I

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to be doing this by this age. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's my personal rule book. Hannah was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 3>in this spot at this time, and this was not

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<v Speaker 3>what I expected. So when I'm doing something that's incongruent

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<v Speaker 3>with my rule of where I should be, my body panics,

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 3>and my body gives me a whole heap of stress hormones,

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<v Speaker 3>very visceral stress hormones that make me feel panic, sheer panic,

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 3>and it's like, I can't be in my own skin

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm living a life that's incongruent with my rules,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I panic. And what do high functioning people

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<v Speaker 3>do when they panic? They intellectualize or they distract.

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<v Speaker 2>So can you give me an example of what intellectualizing

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<v Speaker 2>is verse distracting? Like, how does that play out in

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<v Speaker 2>someone's behavior? Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay again, how much time do you have?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me give you a scenario. All right, So it's

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<v Speaker 3>one in the morning and you're laying in bed and

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<v Speaker 3>your brain is telling you all of the different scenarios

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<v Speaker 3>and thinking through all the different scenarios of why this happened,

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<v Speaker 3>when that happened, What did they mean by this? What

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<v Speaker 3>should I be doing if they do this? When will

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<v Speaker 3>I do this? When will I say this? What if

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<v Speaker 3>this happens? What does this mean? And doing that loop

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<v Speaker 3>around and around and around.

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<v Speaker 2>We've all done that loop.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've been doing it the last three nights.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>We all do that loop, like, and that's your brain

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<v Speaker 3>because it's worked in the past, when you're younger, when

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<v Speaker 3>you're a little kid, when you're a teenager. You've thought

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<v Speaker 3>your way out of problems and it works. It works.

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<v Speaker 3>You think your way out of problems, and it reinforces

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<v Speaker 3>that behavior to intellectualize, and your brain compartmentalizes and goes,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the scenario. So what's the solution. If this happens,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do A. If this happens, I'll do BE, and

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<v Speaker 3>if this happens, I'll do C. But the problem is

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<v Speaker 3>you can never predict exactly what's going to happen. The

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 3>world is a constantly shifting, moving feast, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what you're going to say next to what you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to do next. You can never predict it. So

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 3>your brain's going to keep throwing scenarios at you. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>what if scenario A one happens? What if scenario B

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.759
<v Speaker 3>one happens? And see one and A point one two

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<v Speaker 3>and B point one two. You know, you'll keep generating

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<v Speaker 3>more and more scenarios, and you'll keep going in that

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<v Speaker 3>loop of thinking and thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>We call it ruminating.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going around and around and round often.

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<v Speaker 2>I think as well as something that we do is

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<v Speaker 2>when we are in that spiral of like trying to

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<v Speaker 2>forecast how things are going to play out. We often

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<v Speaker 2>are so negatively geared that we go to the worst

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<v Speaker 2>possible situation and things are never ever as bad as

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<v Speaker 2>what you think they are, but you always think about

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<v Speaker 2>what that worst outcoming is and then work your way back, so.

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<v Speaker 3>You are hardwired to think of all the possible bad

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 3>things that could go wrong and just statistically probability wise,

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<v Speaker 3>we're moving into December, you have probably way more social

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<v Speaker 3>things happening. You have more people you're about to interact with,

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 3>you have more conversations you're about to have. You're going

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<v Speaker 3>to see people you haven't seen in a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>and people you know. You have confrontations and grievances with

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<v Speaker 3>family members where you know she's hit the fan before

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<v Speaker 3>you're about to statistically enter a mind field of many

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<v Speaker 3>more interactions, and your brain is telling you all the

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 3>possible things that can go wrong because it's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>protect you. It's trying to keep you safe. It loves you,

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<v Speaker 3>and it wants you to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you go back a bit for me as well, Hannah,

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<v Speaker 2>because I jumped in with my thought as you were talking,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I realized we only covered what we do

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<v Speaker 2>when we intellectualize a problem, But not what the second

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<v Speaker 2>option was distracting, distracting, Yes, okay, all right, so this

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<v Speaker 2>is when we get okay, scenario.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you the next scenario. So you're laying

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 3>in bed. You've intellectualized your thought, and you've thought, and

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 3>you've thought, and you've thought and your thought and you've

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<v Speaker 3>like lying in bed a husk of a human being,

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<v Speaker 3>rocking gently back and forth as we were. What you're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about me right now? So the next thing we do?

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<v Speaker 2>What do we do?

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to get some sleep. I've just oh, for

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<v Speaker 3>God's sake, you just have to go to sleep. So

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<v Speaker 3>what do we do? We reach out to our phones.

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 3>We pick up our phones. We might scroll through Instagram,

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 3>we might scroll through an app. I know, for me,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big fiend for putting on an audiobook to

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<v Speaker 3>try to distract myself. Put on Harry Potter, a little

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 3>bit of HP to play, because we're distracting. And you

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<v Speaker 3>might distract with needing a hug from someone and needing

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 3>someone else to self regulate by hugging you and giving

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 3>you advice. So you're constantly calling other friends to get

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<v Speaker 3>advice or get that hug. It might be that you

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<v Speaker 3>distract with a partner. It might be that you distract

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 3>with substances like alcohol or other things to numb the pain.

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<v Speaker 3>It might be that you distract by totally throwing yourself

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<v Speaker 3>into work, anything to take your mind off that feeling

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<v Speaker 3>of anxiety that you're experiencing, and sitting with that feeling

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<v Speaker 3>of anxiety and just accepting that it's okay to be

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<v Speaker 3>anxious instead of anything but feeling anxious. I need to

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<v Speaker 3>think my way out of this or distract myself from

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<v Speaker 3>this anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've talked about having this like almost litmus

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<v Speaker 2>test for yourself at the end of the year. For

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who is in a situation where they don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they've leveled up to the expectations that they set

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<v Speaker 2>for themselves, what is the advice to just be upset.

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<v Speaker 3>And down and you are dealing with a lot. My

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<v Speaker 3>best advice would be lifting the veil and just realizing,

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, there's so much going on for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big fan of terms like neurostress, neuro anxiety,

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 3>neurosadness rather than just saying stress, anxiety, sadness. I think

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 3>is very validating to hear somebody say no babe, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a pathway in your brain that is letting off a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of anxiety, a lot of stress hormones, a lot

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 3>of very real, valid feelings that don't require much stimuli

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<v Speaker 3>now to kick off for you. So mind only take

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<v Speaker 3>a little little trigger to get a big reaction in

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 3>your body, okay, because you've got that pathway well Torodden

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 3>path and you've got that quick, conditioned response in your body.

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 3>So you get a huge panic feeling for a little

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 3>little message from your mum on Christmas, okay, And that's

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 3>your brain trying to keep you safe because something bad

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 3>has happened in the past and your body has learned

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<v Speaker 3>I need lots of adrenaline to get through what's about

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<v Speaker 3>to happen or what might be about to happen. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's why I like using in terms like

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<v Speaker 3>neuro anxiety, because it validates that experience that you're not

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<v Speaker 3>imagining this. Don't self gas lights, You're not imagining the

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<v Speaker 3>feeling of anxiety.

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<v Speaker 4>It's physical, it's visceral, it's physiological, it's neurological, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>really quite hard sometimes to separate ourselves from that feeling

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<v Speaker 4>and look in on ourselves and go oh, this is

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 4>a conditioned response that my body's going through.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not my feelings, I am not my thoughts.

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 3>I can look in on this and know that the

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 3>panic I'm feeling isn't necessarily real, and I'm not in

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 3>danger right now. I am okay right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you spoke before about distraction. Some people are

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<v Speaker 1>about distraction their phones or a friend or a text

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>message or something to get you away from the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume this is advice you're going to give people

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>going into this season if they're having these feelings. What

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<v Speaker 1>about the people that might go into this that feel

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed in a different way. I myself, I actually don't

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 1>use distraction at all. I get rid of everything, I

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 1>don't want anyone around me, and I just sit on

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 1>my own in silence. I actually don't know why, because

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>you sit in your thoughts. More so, what about the

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<v Speaker 1>people that are probably more introverted, I guess would be

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.439
<v Speaker 1>the word that don't want to surround themselves with people.

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 1>What advice can you give those people going into this

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 1>season that have those feelings of anxiety, loneliness, stress, worry.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, what you're doing by doing that is reducing the

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 3>stimuli around you, So giving your cognitive cup a little

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 3>bit more bandwidth because you have less stimuli around you,

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 3>less social less, light less, sound less, movement less crowds,

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 3>and it's reducing the stimuli to give you more emotional bandwidth.

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 3>So if that's what you need to do, then that's okay.

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 3>I just say with a grain of salt, like isolating withdrawing,

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 3>those are all they can be signs of depression. So

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 3>it's a little bit like cost benefit. You know, is

0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 3>it adding cognitive load? But is it at the cost

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 3>that I'm isolating? So I think people should just be

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 3>mindful of that. If you haven't already contacted perhaps a

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 3>psychologist for support or a friend for support, I would

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.600
<v Speaker 3>say that that might be a good plan. But also

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.359
<v Speaker 3>setting up some real tangible and being countable for that,

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 3>Like I know it's so how easy for us. I

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 3>always say, like total to GP and touch base with

0:40:03.200 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 3>your GP and get a mental health care plan and

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 3>all this other stuff. Come and get some accountability now,

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Like is it a tough time? Do you know that

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 3>you're going into a tough time and maybe you distract

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 3>and you do some unhealthy behaviors and you isolate, or

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 3>you draw on substances, or you do something that you

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 3>know is not helping you in the long run. This

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 3>is the red flag. This is me saying, yeah, now

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:23.840
<v Speaker 3>might be the time that you need to get a

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.800
<v Speaker 3>little bit more support, with this formalized support to deal

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 3>with what's going on for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Which kind of leads me on to my next question.

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<v Speaker 2>How important do you think it is to have boundaries

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 2>at this time of year? Because I think so many

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.359
<v Speaker 2>of us can compromise our boundaries because we don't want

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 2>to offend our family, We don't want to offend our

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.760
<v Speaker 2>parents or whatever it looks like in laws, whatever your

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 2>family structure looks like. We all know that families are

0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>incredibly complex and a lot of people have a lot

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 2>of trauma from their family connections. How important is it

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 2>to put boundaries in place? Oh my gosh, like the ultimate?

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 2>They're ultimate thousand times yes.

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Like I literally made an app called a Search Yourself,

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 3>which is all about asserting yourself, asserting yourself. And I'm

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 3>not well versed asserting myself. I need to hear it

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 3>every day too, and I need to practice it too.

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Just take it one day at a time, you know,

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 3>it's really easy to go, Oh my god, on the

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 3>twenty fifth, this is going to happen. I'm supposed to

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 3>go on this holiday with this person, and this is

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 3>going to happen. And that's going to happen, and this

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 3>has happening, and.

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 1>You overload yourself with all.

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:22.759
<v Speaker 3>Of these requirements that we've put on ourselves, like I

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 3>have to give them this much notice, and I have

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 3>to tell them this, and I have to I have

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.359
<v Speaker 3>to have this conversation. You can actually just take it

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:30.359
<v Speaker 3>one day at a time. You are allowed to back

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.800
<v Speaker 3>out of things. You are allowed to say no to things.

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 3>You're allowed to say no at the absolute last minute.

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 3>You're allowed to say, nah, I'm not doing this, don't

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 3>feel comfortable with this. And if that happens on the day,

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 3>that's okay too. All right, don't try and solve it

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 3>all right now, don't worry today about the twenty fifth

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 3>of December, the twenty sixth, the twenty seventh, the first

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 3>of January. You just get through today, get through tomorrow,

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:55.359
<v Speaker 3>figure it out as it comes. Because if we're talking

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 3>about assertedness and boundaries, it's probably because you're dealing with

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 3>someone who's pushing your boundaries. Right, and sometimes it is

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 3>a day at a time. I think we get stuck

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 3>in the minutia of going what.

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Are they doing, what did they do?

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 3>Why did they do this? And trying to explain their

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 3>behavior away we lose ourselves in that.

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>This is a conversation I've had with a couple of

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 2>people recently, with several of my girlfriends who have complicated

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 2>relationships with their parents. Whether they're the product of divorce

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 2>that sounds like such a weir way putting it, the

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 2>product of they have divorced parents, or they have parents

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:29.399
<v Speaker 2>who have very overbearing understandings of what Christmas should be

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 2>because maybe their parents are holding on too hard to

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>the way that it was when they were kids. And

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, where we all have our own nucleus families

0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:38.760
<v Speaker 2>now where where adults, you know, we've got our own children,

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 2>there can be this almost like expectation from parents that

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:46.319
<v Speaker 2>you behave and do a certain thing because that is

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 2>what's expected of you. One sort of thing that comes

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 2>to mind is one of my friends isn't going to

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 2>be with her family, her parents for Christmas this year,

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and there's been a lot of guilt that's been placed

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 2>on her because she's chosen to do something that's different,

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 2>but she also has a bit of a stress relationship

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 2>with her parents anyway, and she's decided she just wants

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>to spend it with her new nucleus family, with her

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:08.640
<v Speaker 2>husband and her children. And I think that like the

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:11.319
<v Speaker 2>added guilt of that, the added feeling when you are

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.799
<v Speaker 2>the child and you're disappointing your parents, even though you're

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.359
<v Speaker 2>a grown ass adult, that feeling of guilt never leaves

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 2>you that feeling of like, fuck, my parents are angry

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:23.280
<v Speaker 2>at me. They can be the hardest people to assert boundaries.

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 3>With, Oh my gosh, activating that rule book again, the rules.

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 3>There's a rule book in your mind, I should be this.

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 1>Way, I have to do this for somebody else. Yeah,

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:33.279
<v Speaker 1>they expect me to do it.

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like further perpetuated by your parents as well in

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:37.399
<v Speaker 2>terms of, like, you know.

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Not even intentionally sometimes the level of like you feel

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 1>like you need to show up sometimes.

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we are in a lot of ways a condition

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.760
<v Speaker 2>of our upbringing, right, Like if your parents have placed

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of expectations on you in terms of the

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 2>way that you should behave all the way that you

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>should show up to family events, and you decide that

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't serve you because it brings you anxiety, or

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 2>because it's all your fucking aren't always behaves badly and

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.840
<v Speaker 2>it stresses you out. But there's still this expectation that

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 2>you go. This time of year really shines a spotlight

0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 2>on the things that aren't great in our family structures

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 2>at home. Yeah, because we compare to other people who

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>have great families and have amazing connections with their parents

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 2>and with their siblings. And if that's something that you

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 2>don't have in your household, even that can add a

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>whole another layer of stress.

0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Home life, childhood, upbringing, that's where we learnt the rules.

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 3>That's where we learned the inverted commas, the rules of

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 3>life of how you are supposed to be. And it's

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:31.440
<v Speaker 3>often hard to break the flow on the momentum of

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 3>the way the family interacts. That's where we've learnt. Mum

0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:36.880
<v Speaker 3>always gets away with speaking to me like this. My

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:38.920
<v Speaker 3>brother always speaks to me in this way. When I'm

0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 3>with my family, it's very toxic and we talk to

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.360
<v Speaker 3>each other in this way, and it's so well ingrained,

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 3>and it's been happening for such a long time that

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:49.919
<v Speaker 3>it suddenly feels like Mount Everest to say no, that's

0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 3>not okay, that you spoke to me like this, and

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.720
<v Speaker 3>their reaction might be so full on. Whenever you've tried

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 3>to rein it in and whenever you've attempted to assert

0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 3>yourself that it's conditioned you to not say any don't

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:02.759
<v Speaker 3>rock the boat, don't make a scene. It's easier to

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 3>just let it go. And that's kind of why I

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 3>tap into we're just getting through one day at a

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.239
<v Speaker 3>time instead of seeing that the top of Mount Everest

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.880
<v Speaker 3>and where I want to be, and it seems so impossible,

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 3>so difficult, so hard. It's so well ingrained now with

0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 3>a family, friend, lover, partner, whatever the toxic behavior you

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 3>might be so used to it's been having for such

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.280
<v Speaker 3>a long time, it feels impossible to undo it. Okay,

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:29.279
<v Speaker 3>But that's where we talk about, well, how do you

0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.879
<v Speaker 3>climb Mount Everest? It is just one step at a time.

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.439
<v Speaker 3>So let's just take it today and let's just call

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 3>out whatever happens in this moment. If you're feeling getting

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 3>back in touch with how you're feeling, how are you

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:43.759
<v Speaker 3>feeling today? Are you happy? Did you enjoy that? Are

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 3>you having fun or do you feel sick? Do you

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 3>feel ashamed? Do you feel humiliated? Do you feel embarrassed?

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Do you have the ick in your heart? That tight feeling?

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.400
<v Speaker 3>And you know something that just happened was not okay

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:58.799
<v Speaker 3>with me. So I'm going to take this moment. It's

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:02.320
<v Speaker 3>okay for me to back out of this. It's okay

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 3>for me to say no, It's okay for me to leave.

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:08.399
<v Speaker 3>It's okay for me to make a scene by departing.

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, toxic behavior, Bye, I am unsubscribing from this family.

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.439
<v Speaker 3>Toxic behavior is like I think we confuse in our heads.

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 3>We try so hard, and this is something I've had

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 3>to learn how to healthily have an argument. Like when

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 3>you've grown up and you believe that any argument is

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:26.840
<v Speaker 3>toxic and bad, we can swing like a pendulum to

0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 3>the other direction of never standing up to ourselves because

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 3>we see any argument or confrontation as bad and being toxic.

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 3>But actually it's toxic when you get into the tit

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 3>for tat, name calling, down and dirty, back and forth.

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 3>So I think we get into a pattern of thinking

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 3>things are toxic because we're so used to that that

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:49.560
<v Speaker 3>we're aversive to anything we perceive as confrontational, but it's

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 3>actually not confrontational, not toxic for you to acknowledge that

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 3>something was inappropriate for you and say in a very calm,

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 3>clear voice, this is not okay. I'm not comfortable. I'm leaving.

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 2>You know, We've had a lot of questions we put

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>this out to the Facebook community, and it's something that

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.399
<v Speaker 2>we've spoken about on I mean, the last three years

0:47:08.440 --> 0:47:10.880
<v Speaker 2>of doing this podcast. At Christmas time, we tend to

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.840
<v Speaker 2>end up having a conversation around how our feelings and

0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.279
<v Speaker 2>expectations don't always match up to where we think we

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 2>should be. Brit has spoken about it before in terms

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.279
<v Speaker 2>of being a single person and feeling like it's a

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>really hard time for people who are single, because it

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 2>really makes you so fucking aware that other people are

0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:32.319
<v Speaker 2>happy and partnered up. But I also think and when

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 2>we put this out to the group, one of the

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.799
<v Speaker 2>big questions came in was what about for people who

0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 2>are experiencing grief, as in, they've lost a person this

0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:41.440
<v Speaker 2>year and this is the first time that they're going

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:45.399
<v Speaker 2>into Christmas without somebody who had been a huge part

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:47.319
<v Speaker 2>of their Christmas time, but not.

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Actually on top of that, not even just the first

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>time they're going into it without someone every year, every

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 1>year for a long time. This could have been your

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 1>tenth year without someone that's important in your life. And

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:58.640
<v Speaker 1>like we said at start of the episode, this is

0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the time of year that feelings get it up again.

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:04.160
<v Speaker 3>My understanding with grief is, you know, it's a little

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:06.799
<v Speaker 3>bit like it's whole, the full shape of your heart

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:08.720
<v Speaker 3>and the full size of your heart, and it's deep,

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:13.120
<v Speaker 3>and it's painful, and it hurts, and you grow around

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 3>the grief. You get bigger around the grief because you

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 3>went on another day, maybe cry and another day.

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I know. This is the whole point of this episode.

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:26.640
<v Speaker 2>This is what's happening.

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 1>This is the time of year that things are intensified,

0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and emotions and feelings and everything's brought to the surface.

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:35.279
<v Speaker 1>And it's not a bad thing to have. I'm gonna

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 1>cry looking at you. It's not a bad thing to

0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>have these feelings come to the surface. I mean, correct

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:41.839
<v Speaker 1>me if I'm wrong. How many other professional I feel

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 1>like it's not a bad thing to let them come

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 1>to the surface if you acknowledge what they are and

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>know what to do with it, and don't let it

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:49.840
<v Speaker 1>put you in a place that's worse.

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:51.840
<v Speaker 2>It's just I think that for a lot of people

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 2>as you get older, like Christmas looks very different to

0:48:54.760 --> 0:49:01.120
<v Speaker 2>what it used to look. I'll go to an add

0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:03.399
<v Speaker 2>is that's a right.

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:07.480
<v Speaker 3>The intensity of that feeling that I mean that's grief

0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:12.359
<v Speaker 3>is it's that intense. It's like there's like something hits it,

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:15.879
<v Speaker 3>and it's intense as the very first day, and we

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 3>grow around it. It's like it's always there and it's

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 3>always that intense. But you have day two and day

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:25.680
<v Speaker 3>three and day four, you get bigger around the feeling.

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.879
<v Speaker 3>But some days something's gonna hit that feeling and it's

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:30.560
<v Speaker 3>gonna hit you like a ton of bricks like it

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:31.439
<v Speaker 3>was the first day.

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think for me as well at the moment, Sorry,

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 2>sorry to have a cry. Everyone like my papa, he

0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:39.240
<v Speaker 2>was my my grandfather, but he also was my complete

0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:41.799
<v Speaker 2>father figure. And I think for me at the moment,

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 2>and the reason why I'm extra sensitive is because I

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:46.759
<v Speaker 2>always expected that he would walk me down the aisle

0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 2>of my wedding. I always expected that he would be there,

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:52.720
<v Speaker 2>and my friends and my sister have done an amazing

0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:55.840
<v Speaker 2>job of like really making him be present in my life. Recently,

0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Like my sister of my wedding, I told you guys,

0:49:58.080 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>like she got a little lockett made and it was

0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 2>attached to my bouquet of flowers of my grandparents. And

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:05.799
<v Speaker 2>then my other very good friend kaya As, she had

0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:07.680
<v Speaker 2>a portrait made. It was the photo that I posted

0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram of the wedding, but it was a watercolor painting.

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>But I had my grandparents in the picture. It was

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.439
<v Speaker 2>really beautiful. And so for me, they're super front of mine.

0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 2>But this year, I think, you know, I have my

0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:20.360
<v Speaker 2>whole family coming into Christmas. This year, we've got all

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Matt's family, We've got all my side of the family,

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Like we are hosting Christmas, and he won't be there,

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and that for me is just something that I'm like, fuck,

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:29.160
<v Speaker 2>that's unfair, Like I really wanted him to see my

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 2>family and that doesn't get to happen. Mine is mild

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.160
<v Speaker 2>in comparison. He lived a wonderful long life. I get it.

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm selfish. I want him more, you know, but he

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 2>lived until he's nineties, So that's it's crazy to think

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 2>that there could be any more beyond that. But you know,

0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:44.200
<v Speaker 2>there's people who are going into Christmas without their mum,

0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.799
<v Speaker 2>without their dad, without their children, you know, without their

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 2>best friend. There's so many versions of what that looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't have to just be death. It could

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<v Speaker 2>be the more mild diversion going in straight out of

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<v Speaker 2>a breakup. And I think that this is the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why we wanted to talk about this is because it

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<v Speaker 2>really does just bring it all to the surface and

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:05.480
<v Speaker 2>it almost makes it worse because you're told just supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be happy.

0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:11.239
<v Speaker 3>That rule book again turning on I'm supposed to be sparkly,

0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm supposed to be happy. I'm supposed to be grateful

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.239
<v Speaker 3>to what you've got. And if I'm not grateful, then

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm what? And if you're ungrateful, then what does that

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<v Speaker 3>mean about you?

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<v Speaker 2>I know this is a riddle. I'm trying what does

0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:23.160
<v Speaker 2>it mean? But what do you mean?

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.360
<v Speaker 3>If you're not grateful, then you're ungrateful? And if you're ungrateful,

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:26.839
<v Speaker 3>then you're what? What kind of person is an ungry?

0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Selfish? Selfish?

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:31.839
<v Speaker 3>Selfish? So we are activating a rule book in our head.

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<v Speaker 3>If I feel any sadness, I'm ungrateful. If I'm ungrateful,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm selfish. I'm bad. And you can see that. It's

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<v Speaker 3>almost like an algorithm. Your computer is an algorithm, and

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere along the lines, you got programmed with this algorithm

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<v Speaker 3>of when this code runs and I feel sad, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel guilty that I feel sad, I must be a

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<v Speaker 3>bad person.

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<v Speaker 2>And around and around we go.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel worse because now I'm telling myself I feel

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<v Speaker 3>guilty for feeling guilty. And around and around and around

0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.400
<v Speaker 3>we go, and we think about it, we intellectualize it

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 3>until the point we're so exhausted that we distract. There

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 3>is a third option, which is to sit with the feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>To sit with it if I can really quickly, like

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<v Speaker 3>just go into you know, social experiments and social stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys have heard of Pavlov's dogs. You know pavlov

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<v Speaker 3>dogs experiments.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's tell me about this the other day. Actually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's pretend like I know all about it, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell the listeners who don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want you to think of like conditioned responses.

0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:31.840
<v Speaker 3>And when I say conditioned, I don't mean like her conditioner.

0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean like conditioned. I don't mean the pantin condition.

0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean we have conditioned responses where X happens, Why

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 3>response occurs. Okay, So Pavlov's Dogs is this great experiment

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:46.960
<v Speaker 3>that highlights this. This guy called Pavlov is an interesting

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.399
<v Speaker 3>experimenter from many, many years ago who noticed that when

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<v Speaker 3>his assistant came out and put food down for the doggies,

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<v Speaker 3>that the doggies would salivate for the food. But even

0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:57.840
<v Speaker 3>when they just saw the assistant, they would start salivating.

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 3>And he went, that's interesting. Why they salivated for the

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<v Speaker 3>assistant and not the food. That's interesting. So he paired

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<v Speaker 3>the food with a bell dingerlingling, and he bring the

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<v Speaker 3>food out and go dingerlingling, and the dog salivated food,

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<v Speaker 3>dinglingling salivate food, ding alingling, salivate food, dinglingling salivate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I feel like you're just talking about me at home.

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:19.840
<v Speaker 3>And then what he did was he just did the

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<v Speaker 3>bell dingle lingling, and what do you think the dogs did?

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<v Speaker 2>Salivate? Correct?

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Correct?

0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And so what we've got there is a conditioned response.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you see an unconditioned stimulus became a conditioned stimulus,

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<v Speaker 3>and we had a conditioned response, which was salivation, a

0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 3>physical reaction in response to a stimuli. Okay, you are

0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:43.440
<v Speaker 3>your code turning on in your head, You've got this

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:47.279
<v Speaker 3>algorithms computer that's operating, and then a stimuli comes in,

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 3>which is you're alone this Christmas. Or a stimuli comes in,

0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.520
<v Speaker 3>which is he's not there this Christmas. Or a stimuli

0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:55.600
<v Speaker 3>comes in, which is so much shit to do this

0:53:55.680 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Christmas and I'm not going to get it all done.

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:02.880
<v Speaker 3>And we activate our conditioned response, which is panic, which

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<v Speaker 3>is guilt, which is fear, and it's so pervasive and controlling.

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 3>It's like somebody. I don't know about your anxiety, Laura,

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<v Speaker 3>but for me, it's like somebody has taken a massive

0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:18.400
<v Speaker 3>syringe and injected poison into my muscles, and I feel

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:21.000
<v Speaker 3>it in all of my muscles, and it's a sick,

0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:24.879
<v Speaker 3>tight feeling where every cell in my body screams at

0:54:24.920 --> 0:54:27.239
<v Speaker 3>me to stop, to get it to stop, to do

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:29.799
<v Speaker 3>anything to get it to stop, And that might be

0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:32.719
<v Speaker 3>to people, please, to agree to do things I don't

0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 3>want to do, to push it away and throw myself

0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:38.360
<v Speaker 3>into work, to go and call someone who I know

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:40.560
<v Speaker 3>is not good for me, and spend time with them

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 3>even though I know they hurt me. Because you don't

0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:44.320
<v Speaker 3>want to be alone, because I don't want to be alone.

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:47.480
<v Speaker 1>This is a great little Segway question. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that this is something that we actually do come this

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:51.960
<v Speaker 1>time of year? And I'm going to say we let's go.

0:54:52.080 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 1>We haven't really talked about the single people going and

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:56.719
<v Speaker 1>the feelings of the single people have yet. Do you

0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:59.080
<v Speaker 1>think this is something that people do is go back

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 1>to somewhere they shouldn't a toxic X someone in the past,

0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a message just purely for comfort. So when you get

0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:08.960
<v Speaker 1>some validation to be like, oh, there is someone you

0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 1>know that's thinking about me today.

0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:13.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean, whatever the feeling of anxiety is for you,

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:17.040
<v Speaker 3>it's that biological every cell in your body screaming you

0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:19.320
<v Speaker 3>to get it to stop, get that feeling to stop.

0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, that might be running into the arms of

0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:26.000
<v Speaker 3>someone who's not good for you, because that immediate oxytotion,

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:29.840
<v Speaker 3>that immediate calming of that your central nervous system, that

0:55:29.960 --> 0:55:34.200
<v Speaker 3>immediate reaction in your body to calm, to be calm

0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.120
<v Speaker 3>and to be okay again, anything to make it stop.

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:39.920
<v Speaker 3>And this is where I say that third option. What's

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<v Speaker 3>the third option here from an intellectualizing and distracting which

0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 3>is to learn to sit with the feeling and what

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:49.799
<v Speaker 3>that does the power of that is to decondition, the

0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 3>condition response. Okay, so something is turning on the code

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 3>in your brain, the false belief, the brain washing that

0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:58.200
<v Speaker 3>you have in your brain that you're not good enough,

0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:00.640
<v Speaker 3>that you're too old, that you're alone forever. Oh, you know,

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 3>whatever it is. We have to take the power away

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.000
<v Speaker 3>from that false belief. We have to take the power

0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 3>out of it. And the power is the feeling, which

0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 3>is I'm panicking when this thing turns on in my brain.

0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:13.920
<v Speaker 3>So if we can learn to sit with it, I

0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:15.880
<v Speaker 3>know you're always going to be there, always in the

0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 3>back of my mind. I'm always going to be hard

0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 3>on myself, but it doesn't have to have so much

0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:22.600
<v Speaker 3>power over me. And if we keep running away from

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 3>this scary thought every time it turns on, if we

0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:29.840
<v Speaker 3>keep hiding from it, intellectualizing, distracting from it, it holds

0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:32.400
<v Speaker 3>the power over us. But if we sit with it

0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:34.400
<v Speaker 3>and we just okay, let's just sit with this. I

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:38.000
<v Speaker 3>feel like shit, I feel awful, I feel anxious. I'm

0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:43.080
<v Speaker 3>just gonna sit with it. And today it might be

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 3>that you get to one breath before you intellectualize or distract,

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.160
<v Speaker 3>and maybe a month from now you can actually sit

0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 3>with that turning on for a whole five minutes before

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:55.840
<v Speaker 3>it activates something in you. We're taking the power away.

0:56:56.160 --> 0:57:00.600
<v Speaker 3>You cannot control the feelings of yourself or people. We

0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:04.279
<v Speaker 3>feel what we feel, and if we try to control it,

0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:07.320
<v Speaker 3>that's when we start to feel guilty about feeling guilty,

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:10.320
<v Speaker 3>feeling sad about feeling sad, feeling anxious about feeling bad,

0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:13.800
<v Speaker 3>and we get meta anxiety. I'm anxious about being anxious.

0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, we get in a thought loop, we get

0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:19.360
<v Speaker 3>in a feeling loop. Now there is hope, behavior and actions.

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Assuming you're medically well and you're not affected by substances,

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:23.920
<v Speaker 3>you're in your right mind. You can choose to pick

0:57:24.000 --> 0:57:25.880
<v Speaker 3>up the water bottle. You can choose to go for

0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:27.400
<v Speaker 3>a walk. You can choose to go to the gym.

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:29.240
<v Speaker 3>You can choose to have the cuddle. You can choose

0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:31.360
<v Speaker 3>to see your psychologists. You can choose to do all

0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.960
<v Speaker 3>of those things. You are in control of your behavior.

0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:38.479
<v Speaker 3>Feelings and thoughts come from behavior. If we stay in bed,

0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.640
<v Speaker 3>if we have a big night, if we do the

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:43.280
<v Speaker 3>thing that we know is not going to help us.

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 3>If we don't put the clothes on and we don't

0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 3>wash our face, we don't eat the food. Yeah, probably

0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 3>by the end of the day, you're gonna feel twenty

0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 3>percent worse. You're gonna think worse things about yourself, and

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna feel worse about yourself if instead you wake

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:57.240
<v Speaker 3>up and you go I don't feel like it, and

0:57:57.280 --> 0:57:59.160
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm a piece of crap, but I just don't.

0:57:59.200 --> 0:58:01.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm not feeling it. But I'm still going to get

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:03.760
<v Speaker 3>out of bed. I'm still going to wash my face.

0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:05.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm still going to put a clean piece of clothing on.

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:07.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm still going to care for my body and eat

0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:10.800
<v Speaker 3>some food. I'm still going to do the thing that

0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 3>makes me sit in the sun for a minute and

0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:15.400
<v Speaker 3>take a deep breath. Then by the end of the day,

0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 3>maybe you're not one hundred percent better, but you might

0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:21.200
<v Speaker 3>feel five percent better. And it's those little small things

0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:25.040
<v Speaker 3>that add up over time, predict the trajectory of thoughts

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:28.800
<v Speaker 3>and feelings and one day grow a new core belief,

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.680
<v Speaker 3>a new algorithm and in your brain that we can activate,

0:58:31.720 --> 0:58:34.439
<v Speaker 3>which is I know there's that algorithm that says I'm

0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:36.960
<v Speaker 3>not good enough, but I've grown a new one that

0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 3>challenges that and says I have anxiety, And I know

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:42.120
<v Speaker 3>that I'm a worthwhile human being.

0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Dotor Hannah, thank you so much for coming, for sharing

0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 2>your wisdom, and also just for I mean, it's so

0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:51.400
<v Speaker 2>interesting to us to hear this side of things from

0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 2>not just how we feel, but also from what's physically

0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:56.480
<v Speaker 2>going on insideus as well. And you're a wealth of

0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 2>knowledge and we love having you on the podcast. Please

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:02.280
<v Speaker 2>tell everyone where they can find you, and also reminder

0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:02.960
<v Speaker 2>about the app.

0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Ah, thank you for having me. I feel like if

0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:07.920
<v Speaker 3>we can get this trending of this idea of neuro stress,

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:11.880
<v Speaker 3>neuro anxiety, neuro depression, you know there is so much

0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:14.280
<v Speaker 3>more to this. I don't want people to feel guilty

0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:16.920
<v Speaker 3>for feeling what they feel. Come find me on insta.

0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm no bullsych. I would love to hear from people,

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:23.560
<v Speaker 3>connect with people. My app is called Assert Yourself. It's

0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:26.160
<v Speaker 3>got a few nifty little meditations and things you can

0:59:26.280 --> 0:59:27.680
<v Speaker 3>use if you're struggling.

0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:29.560
<v Speaker 1>With something that we probably need to download right now,

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:31.160
<v Speaker 1>download Assert Yourself.

0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Hannah. Thank you so much.

0:59:32.920 --> 0:59:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Thanks guys, thank you.

0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:37.280
<v Speaker 2>You know that we never finished an episode without our

0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:40.560
<v Speaker 2>suck and our sweet, our very last suck and sweet

0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 2>for the week of the U Kish do us the honors,

0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:46.439
<v Speaker 2>you can start. What has been your suck for the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my suck is somewhat related to my sweet. So

0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 1>the suck is that the weather has been freezing cold.

0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:56.320
<v Speaker 1>And the reason, and that was really sucky for me

0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:58.440
<v Speaker 1>is because my sweet was that two of my girlfriends

0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:01.680
<v Speaker 1>from the UK, they're both from Life London, flew over.

1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:05.120
<v Speaker 1>They flew in on Thursday night and they stayed with

1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:06.120
<v Speaker 1>me for a couple of days.

1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:06.920
<v Speaker 2>They're up like in.

1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:09.600
<v Speaker 1>North Queensland at the moment, traveling Australia, getting some sun,

1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:12.080
<v Speaker 1>getting some sun. Well actually I was raining up there too.

1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Over then come for an Australian summer to get out

1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:17.240
<v Speaker 1>of winter. And they came from minus five. It was

1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:19.840
<v Speaker 1>literally snowing in London when they left, which is also

1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:22.400
<v Speaker 1>quite rare for over there. It doesn't snow that often.

1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:24.240
<v Speaker 2>And so they've flown.

1:00:23.960 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 1>In and I just had to keep on repeating myself,

1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:28.440
<v Speaker 1>being like, guys, I swear it's been the best weather

1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:30.919
<v Speaker 1>for at least they felt at home.

1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:32.640
<v Speaker 2>They got here and they were like, wow, it really

1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:35.200
<v Speaker 2>is quite comparable, wasn't it Still got sunburn?

1:00:36.600 --> 1:00:40.000
<v Speaker 1>They swim and Bronchie bars blessed them. It was freezing

1:00:40.080 --> 1:00:42.720
<v Speaker 1>and the water was so rough, but they just wanted

1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:45.120
<v Speaker 1>to do, like, you know, the Sphere Australian. They wanted

1:00:45.120 --> 1:00:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to do the coastal Walk, and they wanted to do

1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:47.720
<v Speaker 1>the swim thing.

1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:49.160
<v Speaker 2>And then they came home and.

1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:51.840
<v Speaker 1>They literally were sunburn, which I found hilarious because there

1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:54.280
<v Speaker 1>was not an ounce of blue sky. Yeah.

1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:56.360
<v Speaker 3>So my sweet is that it was so nice to

1:00:56.400 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 3>have them here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been so many years since they were They came

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<v Speaker 1>here and left Australia the week before COVID kicked off,

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<v Speaker 1>so like it's been a long time between drinks, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was just so good to see him again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean like sometimes we like over emphasize almost

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<v Speaker 2>how important the weather is, especially when it's like this

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<v Speaker 2>time of year, when it means that you get to

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<v Speaker 2>see people that you haven't seen for forever, that COVID

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<v Speaker 2>is the tyranny of COVID has kept you apart. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that's a really nice suite. My suck for

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<v Speaker 2>the week is that, And I know I've said this

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<v Speaker 2>suck a couple of weeks ago, but it really really

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<v Speaker 2>hit me this week. Work has been really full on,

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<v Speaker 2>especially coming out of retail Christmas with Tony May and

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<v Speaker 2>also just like all the other little projects and bits

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<v Speaker 2>and pieces, and I have not had quality time with

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<v Speaker 2>the girls. I did get to. I took them too

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<v Speaker 2>the Wiggles concert on Saturday, and that's actually my suite.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had this real moment last night where I

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<v Speaker 2>got into bed with Mary after coming home from work

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<v Speaker 2>and she's asleep. And I do it almost every night

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, where like I'll get in bed and

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<v Speaker 2>spend like an hour just laying in bed, like patting

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<v Speaker 2>her head, just wondering she's asleep, just wondering whether she

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<v Speaker 2>knows that I'm there. It's almost like trying to claw

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<v Speaker 2>back extra time with your kids, with your unconscious child,

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<v Speaker 2>with your unconscious child, because you didn't get to have

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<v Speaker 2>that time during the day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I think she would feel that. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you'd know that there's like a comfort to

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<v Speaker 1>know that you're there.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you know. I know that this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of working moms have to juggle, this feeling

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<v Speaker 2>of like I have to work and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>prioritize my career, but I also want to be a

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<v Speaker 2>really good mum, And every so often that juggle feels

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<v Speaker 2>really out of balance. And I think for me, it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a particular week where I have struggled with my priorities,

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<v Speaker 2>really really struggle with them, and I really miss my

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<v Speaker 2>girls so fucking cannot wait for this break, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>But then my sweep of the week, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the Wiggles concert. It's so dumb. It

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<v Speaker 2>is the dumbest thing to go to a kid's concert

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<v Speaker 2>and stand there with your two kids and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>hop tend hop ten. But it's fucking the best thing

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. It's so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Think that's dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I think when I say it's dumb, what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean is is it's dumb how happy I get,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I love going and being and taking to these things.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like the place out in Home Bush.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a full on day out concert like

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<v Speaker 2>what I used to I went there to go and

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<v Speaker 2>see prints, and now I'm going there to go and

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<v Speaker 2>see the Wiggles. So the terms of tables and now, Britt,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that this week has been absolutely terrible. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you need to go into what you're

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<v Speaker 2>suck on your sweet as if you don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think it's been a really bad week. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been a really dark week. I'm not going to highlight

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<v Speaker 1>anything good from it or anything bad from it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have read all your messages, are good and the bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have learned a lot. No, we said that

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<v Speaker 1>this would be our very last episode for the year,

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<v Speaker 1>but we do have one more coming on Tuesday, a

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<v Speaker 1>year in review. Next week going to be our favorite moments,

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<v Speaker 1>our highlights from different parts that of our discussions and

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<v Speaker 1>interviews with amazing people we've had on and we just

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<v Speaker 1>thought to be a really nice way to wrap it up,

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<v Speaker 1>sum it up, and give you guys one last episode

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just been, like I mean, being able to

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<v Speaker 2>do the live show, being able to meet so many

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<v Speaker 2>of you, having the book come out, the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>you who have reached out and spoken to us about

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<v Speaker 2>your stories, about the different parts of different episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>have affected your life or have meant something to you

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<v Speaker 2>or have helped you in some way. It truly means

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<v Speaker 2>everything to us. And we honestly can't tell you how

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<v Speaker 2>much we love creating this podcast, how much we love

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<v Speaker 2>the community that you guys all contribute to. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>absolute privilege. If you have loved any episodes this year,

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