1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Sophie Torver and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembrose 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: Vogue features sparks, copycat claims, and Sammy Robinson's secret tattoo. 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: But first, Olivia Rodgers' ex husband, Justin mckinn has been 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: accused of allegedly stealing close to half a million dollars 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: from his former employer. I was shocked when I saw 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: this story break in the Herald Sun. Yeah, this story 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: was a double page spread in Sunday's paper in May, 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: page twelve, which is high up there for a story 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: on someone who's relatively unknown to mainstream readers. Now. Ironically, 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: the news broke the same day Olivia Rodgers celebrated her 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: first anniversary with her new boyfriend, Hugo. I'm pretty sure 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: she wouldn't be impressed because her photo was splashed all 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: over this news story. So there were photos of her 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: and Justin together, probably not the photos you want to 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: see on your one year anniversary. Well, this is really 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: what beef the story up, the inclusion of her name 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: in it, because she obviously has a much larger profile 20 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: than Justin mckinn. I actually think that the one year 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: anniversary came at a good time, though, because it was 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: her opportunity to remind her followers that she's been dating 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: someone else for a year. Her relationship with Justin McKean 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: is very much in the past, and it is sort 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: of distinguishing herself from the fresh allegations about him. 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: See. 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: I actually think she would have welcomed this coverage because 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: when the news broke that she was breaking up with 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: her husband, there was a lot of speculation about whose 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: fault it was, and I think when something like this happens, 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of blame placed on the woman that 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: they must have done something wrong. I mean, the marriage 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: only lasted six months. Well, the general theme was that 34 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: she got caught up in the wedding and it was 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 1: all about the wedding for her, But as she slowly 36 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: started speaking on podcasts, it became clear that the issue 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: was with him. And I think now that this story 38 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: has broken, people can see what was really going on 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: behind the scenes of what looked like a very perfect relationship. 40 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out that this alleged 41 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: took place after Olivia Rodgers and Justin broke up years 42 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: after it, yeah, years after this is these are very 43 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: recent allegations and it was an interesting move by the 44 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: Herald Son because they had their entertainment reporter Fiona Burn 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: break this story. She has done a lot of stories 46 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: in the past on Olivia Rodgers, but technically this is 47 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: a court story. But I think, as you pointed out, Sophie, 48 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: this has such large entertainment values. I think it was 49 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: actually a good move of them to put Fiona Burn 50 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: on this story. Well, Amy, you originally said that it 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: was quite a big spread for someone who is relatively unknown, 52 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: but it's all about the prominence of his ex wife, 53 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodgers, and that's why we are hearing so much 54 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: about it now. I think we should get into what 55 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: Justin has been accused of. So in March this year, 56 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: Justin started working for a company called Cosmic Sales, which 57 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: trades as Rocket Brands, and the company helps launch pharmaceutical 58 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: brands into the market and according to their website, they 59 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: provide branding, sales and strategic direction. So Justin was employed 60 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: as the head of fire at Rocket and I know 61 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: we're all into the JC details here. So according to 62 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: the Herald's son. His salary was two hundred thousand dollars 63 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: a year. See, this didn't surprise me because from what 64 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: I knew of Justin McKean when he was dating Olivia Rodgers, 65 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: he seemed to have this high flying CFO role at 66 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: a company called Tribe. All I remember is that he 67 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: was in charge of their budget for the wedding, and 68 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: she was saying, he's got a background in finance, He's 69 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: very good at putting the figures together. So when all 70 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: of this news broke, I was like, oh my god. 71 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 72 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: Well, months into his role, staff allegedly notified Rockets managing 73 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: director Matt Holmes that Justin was acting erratically. According to 74 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: court documents, staff claimed Justin had been sleeping in the 75 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: work toilet for up to four hours a day, as 76 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: well as taking ninety minute lunch breaks. He was also 77 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: accused of leaving the office regularly without finishing his work. 78 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: That line about Justin sleeping in the work toilets for 79 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: four hours really demonstrates how much he must have been struggling. Yeah, 80 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: it's actually very sad when you read these allegations. Now, 81 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: these complaints prompted Justin's boss to call in two external 82 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: accountants to investigate his work on the company's finances, and 83 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: they allegedly discovered one hundred and fourteen unauthorized payments made 84 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: to Justin's bank account, which totaled four hundred and eighty 85 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: one thousand, four hundred and ninety dollars and thirty three cents. 86 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: So the company claims the payments began in late May 87 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: of this year and continued on until the sixth of October, 88 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: and were allegedly disguised as transactions to other businesses. So 89 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 1: on October fourteenth, Justin's boss, Matt Holmes, confronted him about 90 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: the transactions. In an Affidavid, he said, mister mckehan told 91 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: me that he had taken funds from Rocket to support 92 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: a very serious drug habit. Mister McKean admitted to theft 93 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: of company money. Mister mckehan told me that he would 94 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: do his best to return the money, but that he 95 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: did not have any of the money from the impugne 96 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: transactions in his bank account. Now. Following that meeting, Justin 97 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: was stood down when the incident was reported to Victorian police. 98 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: The company also successfully filed a freezing order against Justin 99 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: in late October Now, a freezing order is often put 100 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: in place to stop someone from disposing or hiding money 101 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: that is suspected of being proceeds of crime. It's important 102 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: to point out that at this stage the case is 103 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: still a civil case and not a criminal one. So 104 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: Rocker is seeking the repayment of the four hundred and 105 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: eighty one thousand dollars in any profits made from the 106 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: use of the money. They are also asking for damages, 107 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: compensation and costs, which is the cost of their legal fees, 108 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: which I'm assuming would be a lot of money. 109 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: Now. 110 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: This case is also being investigated by Victorian Police's Crime 111 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: Investigation Unit. Now this is an ongoing matter and charges 112 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: are yet to be laid. However, things could escalate very quickly. 113 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: So embezzlement is an extremely serious charge which can result 114 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: in up to ten years in prison. Justin is yet 115 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: to publicly comment on the incident, and he has since 116 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: shut down on his Instagram account, which he previously had 117 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: around ten thousand followers on. I think that would be 118 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: the instruction of his lawyer definitely, And this is the 119 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: second high profile influencer court case we've seen in the 120 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: past year. There's been so much interest recently, in Gracie 121 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: Piscoppoe's former partner Andre Rabello's case, he's been accused of 122 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: murdering his mum. This is something he has denied. But 123 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: this case is still in court and it has had 124 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: so much media attention. I think we're going to see 125 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: a similar media circus, especially if criminal charges are late. 126 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: I think one of the big differences is that Olivia Rodgers, 127 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: who is the person with prominence that's linked to this 128 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: case a bit like Gracie Piscoppo, wasn't actually involved with 129 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: Justin at the time, so she won't be appearing in court. 130 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: I presume the thing that worries me for Justin and 131 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: more so Olivia, is this court case is going to 132 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: bring about a lot more interest in them as a 133 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: couple and why they broke up. That is just how 134 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: the media works. Well, there's been a lot of chat 135 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: online about whether it's fair to actually drag Olivia into this, 136 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: considering she's not with Justin anymore. I mean, to me, 137 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: it's not surprising that she's been brought into it. She 138 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: does make this a more newsworthy story, and we've also 139 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: been sold as consumers this illusion of this extremely glamorous couple, 140 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: not just on social media. But we've got to remember 141 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: Justin and Olivia were a huge part of the social 142 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: scene in Melbourne. They've been in the paper a lot 143 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: of times and this news has really shattered the illusion. 144 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: And since marrying Olivia Rodgers and gaining a profile, he 145 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: actually has surrounded himself with a lot of influences and 146 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 1: well known public figures like Nick Russian. He's always seems 147 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: to be socializing with him. He was in the news 148 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: for dating a bunch of Bachelor contestants. Yeah, well he 149 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: was most recently dating former Bachelor contestant Tarny Leeson. Now, 150 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: she was also mentioned in the story and she started 151 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: dating Justin in September twenty twenty three, but they reportedly 152 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: split in June last year due to their values not aligning. However, 153 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: in June this year, So Dramatic reported that Tarney had 154 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: reunited with Justin attending an AFL matched together and at 155 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: the time she told So Dramatic that they were just friends. Well, 156 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: he's nowhere to be seen on her Instagram account. I 157 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: don't know whether Yeah, I don't know whether he was 158 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,559 Speaker 1: scrubbed before or after. See you were talking about whether 159 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: it's fair to bring Olivia Rodgers into this story, but 160 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: you almost have to feel for him in a sense that, again, 161 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: he's not the one that had the profile. He was 162 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: just adjacent to someone with a profile. Like I'm guessing 163 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: he wishes that he never had this type of profile 164 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: now that this story is well, he's from Perth, and 165 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: all I think about is because Olivia would always share 166 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: their Christmas catch ups with his family, all looked very wholesome, 167 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: and I just think about that poor family who's having 168 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: to deal with this in the spotlight. It would just 169 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: be horrendous. The bottom line is this is really just 170 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: a sad case for everyone involved. The quotes that we 171 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: did hear referencing Justin's behavior, it's clear that he was 172 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: not in his right state of mind. He's struggling with addiction, 173 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: and it's really sad that this is going to play 174 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: out publicly for him. 175 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: I've literally never spoken about this. I knew you guys 176 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: were going to expose it. I said this to the girls. 177 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 3: I was like, now everyone's gonna know. I have a tattoo. 178 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: One Mile founder Sammy Robinson's secret tattoo has been outed 179 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: on the Happy Hour podcast The og Beauty vlogger was 180 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: forced to reveal she got inked at a Jagger and 181 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: Stone after party, with Tammy Hembro immediately copying her design. Sophie, 182 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I could love this story anymore. I 183 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: want to say big props to Lucy Jackson and Nicki 184 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Wescott for dragging this story out of her, because she 185 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: has been hiding it for a number of years. Now 186 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: it's clear she didn't actually want to tell this story. 187 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: I didn't actually realize that Sammy had been friends with 188 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: the Happy Hour host since the start of her YouTube days, 189 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: because Sammy first met Lucy through Princess Polly, and this 190 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: was when Lucy was working for Princess Polly as a 191 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: brand manager. I didn't even know that she worked at 192 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: Princess Pope. Yeah, well, it gives her a bit more 193 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: cred with Jagger and Stone. Obviously she's worked in the 194 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: industry before. It must be really weird for Lucy to 195 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: have also been on both sides of the influencer space. 196 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: And it was at this Jagger and Stone where the 197 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: infamous tattoo story happened. Yeah, and the girl said it 198 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: was very early days for the brand, so they didn't 199 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: have a huge budget for this launch, so they ended 200 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: up booking a nice lunch at the casino, and then 201 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: they didn't have money for an after party, so they 202 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: invited everyone back to Lucy and Nikki's hotel room and 203 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: to paint the picture. They said, it was a very 204 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: small room with two king single beds, and it's a 205 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: bit of a tradition to have a tattoo artist at 206 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: their Jagger party, so they arranged for her to come 207 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: up to the room and all of the guests could 208 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: pick whatever they wanted. Now by this point, everyone was obliterated, 209 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: and Sammy was supposed to be catching a flight home 210 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: that night, but instead canceled her flight and decided to 211 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: get a tattoo, which is not really part of Sammy's brand. 212 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: I was surprised to hear that she even had a 213 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: single tattoo. I don't think I've seen one on her body, no, 214 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: and I think her tattoo choice may shock some of 215 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: her OG followers. Here's what they said. 216 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 4: And then Sammy Robinson liked the most you know, demure, 217 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: like chic, elevated girl in the entire group is like, 218 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 4: I know what I'm going to get. I'm going to 219 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 4: get you tell. 220 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: Well, I was, like I've always said, if I was 221 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: having to get a tattoo, I'd get like a jagger 222 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 3: off my spine, like something crazy. Obviously I wasn't going 223 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 3: to do that, and so there was I don't even 224 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 3: know if I want to say where it is, but 225 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 3: the one place you will say where it is. I 226 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: didn't want to put a cat where I got it. 227 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 4: Because yes, it is on her persse, but. 228 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 3: I'm like obsessed with tigers and cats and lions and things, 229 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: so that that was the only thing I could think of. 230 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: So I was like, what's something adjacent. 231 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: In power and like beautiful? 232 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: I was like, let me get a dragon, like no 233 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: reasoning behind it whatsoever. So now I'm just the girl 234 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: with the dragon tattoo. 235 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 4: The girl with the dragon tattoo down there really small 236 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 4: as well, like everyone, it's not that small, babe. I 237 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: remember thinking, that's not the smallest dragon. 238 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: I love that Nicky had to point out that it 239 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: actually wasn't that small. Yeah, I feel like it would 240 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: have been more iconic though, if Sammy had actually gotten 241 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: the cat on her vagina, like that would have been 242 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: so funny. As you said, Amy, not on brand for 243 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: her to get well, when I was listening to his interview, 244 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: I was really curious as to what the dragon actually 245 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: looked like, especially because Nicky said it was so big. 246 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: And thanks to Tammy Hembro, we have an insight into 247 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: what it actually looks like Sam because she decided to 248 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: randomly get the same one, So she got this dragon 249 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: tattoo designed on her hip. I just love that you 250 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: didn't even second guess it. You're like, yeah, I know 251 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: what I'm getting. I'm getting a dragon on my pussy. 252 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 4: And then I think it was Tammy was like, what, 253 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 4: that's exactly what I want. 254 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 3: If you want to visualize it. Tammy has the same one, 255 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: and now I haven't matching one with Timmy. I love 256 00:12:59,120 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: her so much, Like. 257 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: But that's random. 258 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone else I think everyone got like a 259 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: red snake. Whe everyone was getting like matching snakes. 260 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: Oh that's the dag. I got this one. 261 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: You got? 262 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 263 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: You all got that snake. 264 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 265 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Tommy was like, I want the dragon. 266 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 4: I was like, Tammy, No, that's actually a funny story 267 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 4: about Tammy. So we got a matching tattoo with me, Nicky, 268 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 4: m Dabies and Lily because we always used to say 269 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 4: live your best life. L YBL And this is at 270 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 4: another Jagger party, and Tammy, who had never said that 271 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 4: before in her life, just wanted to gym in on it, 272 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 4: so she also got that even though she wasn't even. 273 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: Like only one or it's not like it's sentimental, just like, 274 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: oh it looks cool whatever. 275 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: I think that's an issue with getting tattoos at these 276 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: type of brand events because if you've seen them behind 277 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: the scenes of videos, it's like there's a piece of 278 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: paper and it's like pick one. Well, I just love 279 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: it because here's Sammy who's wanting to be a bit 280 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: edgy and unique, and Tammy's like, I'm going to get 281 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: that one too, like you've just been like, oh, fuck off. 282 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: And it's quite funny because it came out that Tammy 283 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: is quite known for jumping on the tattoo bandwagon. So 284 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: Lucy and Nikki revealed that at another Jacker and Stone party, 285 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: Tammy got a matching tattoo with their friendship group. So 286 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: this was before Lucy and Nicki had their big falling 287 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: out with Lily Brown, and they all got matching tattoos 288 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: with em Davies which said l YBL So that stands 289 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: for live your best life. This is despite Tammy not 290 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: being a part of the Friendship group or having any 291 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: affiliation with this term. Now she was like, I'm just 292 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: going to get it. I think we've always known that 293 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: Tammy Henbro doesn't put a lot of thought into her tattoo. 294 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: She got one for Matt Sakowski after dating him for 295 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: two weeks. I want to confirm though, for Sammy though, 296 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: that this is her first and only tattoo, because she 297 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: actually ended up having a freak out the next day 298 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: when she hopped in the shower, so the ink started 299 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: running and she thought that she had permanently smudged it. 300 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: So she rang Nicki in tears and Nicki was like, 301 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: its fine, baby, it'll wash off. The thing that was 302 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: quite interesting too, is she was actually dating nick at 303 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: the time, and she didn't know how to break the 304 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: news to him about the tattoo. She said she was 305 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: really nervous and embarrassed for some reason because she was 306 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: supposed to come home that night and she just randomly 307 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: when he got a tattoo on her vagina, she just 308 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: returns with this draguge dragon tattooed. 309 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: Well. 310 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: She said that she just waited basically until they had sex. 311 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: To spring it on him and he ended up laughing 312 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: and telling her that she was so weird. It was 313 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,479 Speaker 1: really refreshing to hear Sammy speak so candidly in an interview, 314 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: and I feel like I got this whole different perception 315 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: of her. I mean, she's always seemed really cool, but 316 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: she seemed a bit more edgy in this interview. Yeah, 317 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: and I think it helped that Lucy and Nicky are 318 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: friends with her because she felt more comfortable to sort 319 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: of tell some of these stories. Because she usually is 320 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: one of those influencers whose very well media trained, and 321 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: she seems to put up a bit of a guard, 322 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: particularly when questions turned to her past relationships. I think 323 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: she never really wants to be seen as being that 324 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: person who's weighing into the weeds, particularly when her brand 325 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: Won Mile is on the rise. She wants to be 326 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: taken seriously. And this is despite her ex boyfriend Jordan Simmy, 327 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: who we've discussed number of times on this podcast. He's 328 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: always tried in the past to drag her name into 329 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: the drama, but she's always stayed quiet on it and 330 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: I'm tooeful about it. Yeah, And this was until this 331 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: interview where I mean they didn't mention Jordan by name. 332 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: They referred to him as the boxer. It was quite 333 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: funny because Lucy said that she wanted to reach out 334 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: to Sammy at the time and ask if Jordan was 335 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: for real, but she was really worried that she was 336 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: going to offend her And Sammy said that there was 337 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: a lot of confusion around the boxing match because she 338 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: never actually publicly commented on it. She tried to distance 339 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: herself from it and not give it any oxygen because 340 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: she said she was always very private about her relationship 341 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: with Jordan, whereas he was ultra public about it. But 342 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: you could tell she was trying to still defend him 343 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: a little bit, because I think the tone that Lucy 344 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: and Nicki were using was kind of like what everyone 345 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: was thinking, who is this guy? Why is Sammy Robinson 346 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: giving him the time of day? But Shammy was trying 347 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: to reiterate he's very passionate about everything. It wasn't just 348 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: that he was obsessed with her. Yeah, Well, she tried 349 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: to explain the appear of the relationship with him, and 350 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: she said that she started dating him after her long 351 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: term relationship with nick and she was craving someone to 352 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: give her attention, and she said that he really taught 353 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: her about how she wants to be adored because she 354 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: lost that with Nick. Yeah, well, it was also a 355 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: COVID relationship, and I think a lot of people have 356 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: ended their COVID relationships now. Well. Lucy ended up saying 357 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: what we were all thinking and asked Sammy if Jordan 358 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: was a clout chaser, and Sammy basically said that she 359 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: didn't see any red flags early on because, as you said, Amy, 360 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: they got together during COVID, So I think they spent 361 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: six months in lockdown together and neither of them were 362 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: posting about like he never posted about her, she never 363 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: posted about him. Wouldn't think he'd have red flags if 364 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: you were stuck in isolation with Jordan Siemi. Well, I 365 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: suppose he wasn't acting erratically in the public space. He 366 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: was very chilled. I mean, she said that she's obsessive 367 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: in relationship and she attracts obsessive guys as well. We 368 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: even made sure to comment on this happy Hour reel. 369 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: So he ended up putting a gift of Ryan Gosling 370 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: from the notebook. So is he still trying to chase her? 371 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: I think he just likes attention. Yeah, I just happy. 372 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. English actress and fashion designer Betsy Blue 373 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: English has accused Tammy Hembro of copying her wedding cake. 374 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: The allegations came after Vogue released a spread of the 375 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: Mega influencers wedding to Matt Szakowski. Now, Kate, before we 376 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: get into the drama. Who is Betsy Blue? That is 377 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: a good question because I kept seeing her name pop 378 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: up everywhere and it was like, Betsy Blue has said 379 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: this about Tammy Hembro. I'm like, who the hell is she? 380 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: Now? 381 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: She was touted as this UK actress and a fashion designer, 382 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: but she actually found fame on the UK X Factor 383 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. So since then she's moved to LA 384 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: and I found an article saying that she's landed two 385 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: lead roles in new Netflix shows. I'm yet to know 386 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: what those Netflix shows are because there's not a lot 387 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: of information out there about it. So she is twenty 388 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: eight years old with one hundred and sixty five thousand 389 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: followers on Instagram and she owns her own fashion label 390 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: called Somebody Now. The brand's Instagram account advises that the 391 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: brand is actually pronounced with a French accent. Look, we're 392 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: not even going to go there because we get slammed 393 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: for a lot of words that we pronounce. So let's 394 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: move on. Yeah. So on Wednesday, just after the Vogue 395 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: spread dropped, Betsy re shared a photo of Tammy cutting 396 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: her wedding cake on her Instagram story and wrote, I 397 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: wish people would get their own imagination sometimes. So what 398 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: is the go with the wedding cake? Do they look 399 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: the same? 400 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: Look? 401 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: I think she has a point because Tammy's cake looks 402 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: almost identical to her. So both of them opted for 403 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: a white, eight foot taol tiered cake in a vintage theme, 404 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: which is quite ironic because Tammy only had one hundred 405 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: and twelve guests, Like, that is a lot of cake, 406 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: all of that amount of guests. All I can think 407 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: was how expensive was this cake? Or she had to 408 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: stand on a chair in order to be at the 409 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: top of the cake to cut it. It was such 410 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: a good photo opportunity now in this photo that I 411 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: was like, Wow, this really is the Tamming show is there? 412 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: And I think most people enjoyed seing the photo of 413 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: just Tammy with the cake in the spread. Yeah, and 414 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: this is the photo that has pissed Betsy off because 415 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: she has a very similar photo on her Instagram. Her 416 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: husband is actually in the photo, so she was also 417 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: standing on a very similar chair to Tammy cutting the cake. 418 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: Now where the argument falls down is this cake style 419 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: is very on trend, and it has been for quite 420 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: a few years. There's no way this was a new 421 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: idea from Betsy. That's the thing. Everyone copies each other, 422 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: Everyone looks at Pinterest on what is on trend. This 423 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: is clearly a trend for very rich people who can 424 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: afford that sort of cake is yeah. 425 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 3: Look. 426 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: I think perhaps this comes down to Betsy being a 427 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: little bit envious because she got married at the Ritz 428 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: in Paris in September this year, and her wedding looked 429 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: like it belonged in Vogue. Everything was curated perfectly, down 430 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: to a tee, her bridle looks were stumbling, the location 431 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: was picturesque, the theming was absolutely out of this world, 432 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: and despite nailing it, she didn't get a spread in 433 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: Vogue while Tammy did. I think it's a bit of 434 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: a stretch to say that Tammy copied this cake, particularly 435 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: because Betsy's wedding took place in September Tammy's was in November. 436 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: She would have had this concept for the cake locked 437 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: in well in advance. And this is something that we're 438 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: seeing on Pinterest at the moment, like it's not like 439 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: Betsy is the only person who's ever done this cake. 440 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 1: I love how funny people get about weddings because if 441 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: you think about it, even if Tammy did copy it, 442 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: it's quite a compliment because it's like, oh, she obviously 443 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: liked what she did. 444 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 3: Oh. 445 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: I saw it in Flina a post and they were 446 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: comparing photos of Betsy and Tammy's wedding and they were 447 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: pointing out other similarities. For example, Tammy's hair was very 448 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: similar to Betsy's. So I don't know whether it was 449 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: just the cake that then pushed her over the edge. Yeah, 450 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: but it was like Betsy wore an updo and Tammy 451 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: woren up to do. Like it's not out of this 452 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: world thing. And we've got to remember Tammy had a 453 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: team of prestigious wedding planners working for her. If anyone 454 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: copied it, it would have been them, because Tammy employed 455 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: the Nuptial Collective, who are known for doing high profile, 456 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: influence's weddings. I recently did Zara McDonald's mea plastic claims 457 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: that they did hers you don't mean claim well, I 458 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: don't know how much they would have been involved because 459 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: her wedding was definitely not at the level of some 460 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: of these others. A lot of different packages. I'm machining now. 461 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: To Betsy's credit, she has come out and apologized to 462 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: Tammy so on an update about this drama on so 463 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: Dramatics post, she commented, this was intended for close friends. Oops, 464 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: not my style to post publicly, so apologies to Tammy 465 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: for that. There's no drama here. She looks really beautiful, 466 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: and to be fair, I think everyone needs a big cake. 467 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: And she added the crying with laughter, shrugging and love 468 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: heart emoji after what is with all these people getting 469 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: stung with the close friends feature? She did follow up 470 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: on her own public Instagram story, writing, when you spend 471 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: an entire day thinking something was on your close friends 472 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: with an upside down smiley emoji. The worst thing about 473 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: social media is that in captions you can't always get 474 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: tone like I know, she said, I wish people would 475 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: get their own imagination. Sometimes it could have had a 476 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: bit of a joke yet, but I wish people would think, yeah, 477 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: but she's gone and used emojis to convey tone in 478 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: those messages, so I think the tone was quite clear. 479 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not really going to put a red 480 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: face with the swearing that this was meant for close friends, 481 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: because it almost makes it same bitchy. It's narky. But 482 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: do we buy it because maybe she's just trying to 483 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: piggyback off this attention surrounding time's waiting. I don't buy 484 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: it because I think she just didn't like how it landed. 485 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: I think that she thought people would be quite sympathetic 486 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: to her and say that is outrageous that she copied 487 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: your cake, that was your idea, and then when it 488 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: didn't hit, I feel like it's like, sorry, that wasn't 489 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: intended for it. I gen'tinely think it was a mistake 490 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: because it's pretty off brand for her to post something 491 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: like yeah, all her posts are very polished. Now. As 492 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: we predicted, Tammy and Matt signed an exclusive deal with Vogue. 493 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: Alongside an interview with Tammy, Vogue shared sixty three photos 494 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: from the big day, and another part of the deal 495 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: was the announcement post. So interestingly, it was just Vogue 496 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: and Tammy, who collaborated on the official first wedding post. 497 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: Matt was not a collaborator or even tagged in the post. 498 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: His name was hashtag. I actually loved that from Vogue. 499 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: I think that that was the right move because they 500 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: want to align with Tammy Hembro. They don't necessarily want 501 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: to align with Matt, particularly as more stories are circulating 502 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: from his ex partner about him. Surely not a popular 503 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: move as a couple, because when you put up your 504 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: wedding post, and this is the first post they've actually 505 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: put up to say, hey, we got married, even though 506 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail got the photos days ago, it's a 507 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: bit weird that he wasn't a part of My husband 508 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't give a shit, Like he'd just be like, well, 509 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: look if you have this deal with Vogue, and that's 510 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: important too. I really don't mind about my own social 511 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: media account, yes, but Matt would like a lot of 512 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: people are saying he's a cloud chaser, and but if 513 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: you're not a cloud chaser, you wouldn't care. Well that 514 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: being said, the first post I saw Matt share on 515 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: TikTok about the wedding was just him dancing with his grip. 516 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: Yeah and then he followed up like, so he shared 517 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: a few behind the scenes of his morning with the groomsmen, 518 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: and then he said more content to come now, using 519 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: the word content. It's a strange way to talk about 520 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: your own wedding, like And I've noticed since that Tammy 521 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: has been sharing a lot of TikTok content and yes, 522 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: her job is a content creator. But it did give 523 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: me a little bit of an ick because I'm thinking 524 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: how much time was put into creating this content as 525 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: opposed to actually enjoying the wedding day. Yeah, but most 526 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: people do that now, like just normy people will spend 527 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: a lot of time. She would find it enjoyable as well. 528 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they actually had a professional person they're 529 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: doing it, because she popped up straight after the wedding 530 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: and it was a TikTok of her asking her followers 531 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: what should she wear to the wedding of the year 532 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: and just saying how excited she was that Tammy reached 533 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: out to her. I think y'all know who you mean. 534 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: She's actually got a really big following on TikTok herself, 535 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: and she got famous from posting stuff about her own wedding. 536 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: She's got a really unique voice. It's kind of like 537 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: I do this and it's perfect. Like her stuff is 538 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful. Another thing I noticed from the Vogue photos 539 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: was that Shannie Grimmond was a guest at the wedding. 540 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 541 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: I had no idea that they were friends. Yeah, so 542 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: that really surprised me because Tammy and Matt had spoken 543 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: about how they had really cut this list back, but 544 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: there were a lot of big names that I didn't 545 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: know were actually friends with her. People asking where was 546 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: Lucy and Nicki from the Happy Hour? Yeah, well that 547 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: was an interesting emission because of all the drama going 548 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: on with Tammy's ex Matt Paul and Nicky's husband Ollie Frost, 549 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: and also Lily Brown was that Yeah, But Tammy Hembro 550 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: didn't look like she was at Nicky's wedding either, So 551 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: it'd be interesting if they all go to m Davy's wedding. 552 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: I feel like for poor m Davies, that's where a 553 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: lot of shit's gonna hit the fan, and that's coming up. 554 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 555 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: Now. The same day that the Vogue spread dropped, Tammy's 556 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: ex fiance, Rhys Hawkins shared some new designs for his 557 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: clothing line Molten Now he posed in a very grungy 558 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: photo shoot in Bali, wearing shirts with slogans that said 559 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: if it has tits or wheels, you'll probably have a 560 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: problem with it. Another said gas lighting the narciss's favorite 561 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: tool of manipulation. But the slogan that attracted the most 562 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: attention was one that said bonds of matrimony and had 563 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: an image of a woman tied up and gagged. And 564 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: this was the feature photo of the photo dump, with 565 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: the caption total confusion. Now confusion was spelt wrong and 566 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: which confused a lot of people in our Facebook group. 567 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: I did love the commentary in our Facebook group because 568 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: people were saying if they saw anyone wearing one of 569 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: these t shirts, it would be a complete red flag. 570 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: There was also a lot of confusion because people took 571 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: from it that maybe he was upset that Tammy got married. 572 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: With the mention of matrimony, one person wrote, it's giving 573 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: absent father who hates women. I definitely think this was 574 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: aimed at Tammy because there was a photo in the 575 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: photo dump that was of a graffiti wall and it 576 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: said sad generation with happy pictures. Look. I more think 577 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: that because Tammy's name was in the mainstream media at 578 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: the time, and everyone was talking about her wedding. He 579 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: probably knew that people would be intrigued and go and 580 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: see what he was up to, and also Matt Paul. 581 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: So maybe he thought that this was a good time 582 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: to drop this range of clothes when there was interest, 583 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: but he totally missed the mark. Yeah, but the thing 584 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: is including the matrimony reference that's going to get daily 585 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: mail articles written about him. Oh, he's made a potshot 586 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: at Tammy. I don't think anyone who'd be interested in 587 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: Tammy and Matt's wedding would be purchasing those misogynistic T shirts. 588 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 1: I cannot believe it's already December third. There is a 589 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: special vibe in the Outspoken office at the moment. Amy, 590 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: you have this delicious candle going in this most time, 591 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 1: it sounds exactly like a freshly cut Christmas tree. I 592 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: am going to go buy one of them. They're amazing. 593 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: There's also presents on the table behind you that probably 594 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: should be wrapped. None of them are for us. I've 595 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: brought so many presents in the sales, and then I 596 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: remembered I forgot to get wrapping paper. Was definitely our 597 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: favorite time of the year, and we wanted to celebrate 598 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: by dropping a special Christmas series. But there's a bit 599 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: of a twist because we are interviewing some of Australia's 600 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: biggest influencers about their Christmas traditions but also just about 601 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: their life generally. And I think you said last week, Kate, 602 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: you were quite surprised that some of the influencers agreed 603 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: to be on the show because they are people that 604 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: we regularly discuss on the show. And our first guest 605 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: is Indy Clinton, Like, I am ecstatic to have her 606 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: on the show. It's funny because I was the one 607 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: that suggested reaching out to India about the Christmas episode, 608 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: and Amy was like, I don't even bother. There's no 609 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: way she's gonna respond, she replied instantly. And she didn't 610 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: shy away from answering any questions either, because we said, 611 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: if we're going to have influences on the show, we 612 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: want to ask them the questions that we're all wanting 613 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: to know. And I love some of the responses that 614 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: she gave. It was so interesting and gave such an 615 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: insight into what was going on during some of those 616 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: big moments that we've been speaking about over this year 617 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: in the past couple of years. Well, this is a 618 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: little taste of what you can expect. 619 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: Singing an influencer like post shit you just like shut 620 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: the herr and I get it. I think the same 621 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: all the time. That for me was a turning point 622 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: because I was like, holy shit, people really do just 623 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: make things up? Really? 624 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: May she seemingly copied your baby name? 625 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: Band? 626 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: Do you think she did see? 627 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: I keep questioning myself because I'm like, she doesn't know 628 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: I exist. But I'm also like, what are the chances 629 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: I knew if I just found a I ran in 630 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: small business on Etsy that could make these beautiful little 631 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: Santa sex, they were not going to know who I am. 632 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: And then I get a message bag, Oh my god, Indy, 633 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan. I can't believe the places all. 634 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: I promise I'm going to keep this name a secret. 635 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: I remember seeing things being like I know Indy Clinton's 636 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 2: baby's name. I've been in this game for eleven years, 637 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: and from every management I've had, I've always been taught 638 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: not to you know, it will just blow over. Never 639 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: talk on anything ever ever. Just be quiet, be quiet. 640 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, why do I have to be quiet for once. 641 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 2: I've been quiet my whole life on everything. Why do 642 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: I have to be quiet about this now? 643 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: Just to be really clear, because we don't want any confusion, 644 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: we are bringing out fresh content for our listeners throughout 645 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: December and January. There is a little bit of a 646 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: change in our programming though, so on Tuesdays we will 647 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: have our regular episode every Tuesday. However, on Thursday, our 648 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: episode's going to look a bit different. They will be 649 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: our interviews with influences, and then on Friday We're going 650 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: to have brand new subs episodes. I'm so excited for 651 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: these episodes to drop. I think that you will love them. 652 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: That is all we have time for today, though. Thank 653 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us for another episode. If 654 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: you have enjoyed it, could you please please please leave 655 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: us a positive review and also make sure you are 656 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: subscribed on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Yeah, we really need 657 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: some positive reviews at the moment because it's over the 658 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: Sarah's Days stands and Polates. Fans weren't too happy with 659 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: our last episode. It's a really wild side of TikTok 660 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: that I've not been across before. Like my goodness me. 661 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: But yes, that is all we have time for. Thank 662 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. This episode was recorded 663 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the 664 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present.