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Speaker 1: Hello, it's an exciting day for you because you're here

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Speaker 1: listening to me. Art Simone. Congratulations on your exceptional taste. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you're hearing this and thinking, wow, I wish I

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Speaker 1: about to have company. We're going to meet another boring

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Speaker 1: normal person, except I'm going to find out what they're concealing,

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Speaker 1: This is concealed with me, Art Simone, bring in our

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Speaker 1: boring normal person. Hi.

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Speaker 2: My name is Mark. I am a consultant living in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed playing the ukulele, baseball and golf, but I'm

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Speaker 2: concealing something about myself and how I use my words.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Marke, how are you? I am excellent, Art, how

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Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing very well. Thank you think of

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Speaker 1: coming and visiting me in the studio today. You're just

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Speaker 1: mentioning baseball. This is a baseball cap. It is a

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Speaker 1: baseball cap. Yes, I mean I mean people say baseball

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Speaker 1: cap like just a cap. It this is a specific

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Speaker 1: baseball because this is my team that I follow in America.

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Speaker 1: It's got an a on the frase.

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Speaker 2: The Atlanta Braves. I find it easy to put on

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Speaker 2: a hat than do my hair.

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Speaker 1: Atlanta bra Yes, braves brave? Yes, yes, people in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: traditionally brave. No.

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Speaker 2: No, So it's like the American Indian little braves like warriors.

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Speaker 2: That cool.

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Speaker 1: Have you been to Atlanta? I have a couple of

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Speaker 1: times I was hoping you'd say no, okay, And you

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Speaker 1: got to love your T shirt. You've got to tassoo

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Speaker 1: on your arms is harry, Yes, that's actually in the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta braves farming. It does look very the same type

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Speaker 1: of thing. Yes, to get that done in Atlanta. Yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: And you've got a what's that bracelet? That's Atlanta braids

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Speaker 1: as well. Here okay there all right? And you said

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Speaker 1: you're a consultant? Correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes, what is a consultant? That just sounds like you go,

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Speaker 2: I have a job. It's a fancy thing to put

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Speaker 2: on my business cards. So it sounds like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, what do you just get? Like consulting? So

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Speaker 1: just yeah, wander around Yeah, just usually strangers. Sometimes I

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Speaker 1: just consult I say hey, hey, consultancy, and I'm here

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Speaker 1: to consult. Okay, all right, so the ukulele, Yes, how

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Speaker 1: do you deal with a tiny guitar? Tiny guitar makes

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Speaker 1: my hands feel really big, which is which is nice.

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Speaker 1: It's that a good thing. See where I look for

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Speaker 1: things that make my hands look smaller because I've got giant,

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Speaker 1: big flippers on the end of my hands. I need

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Speaker 1: to hold giant things to make my hands look small.

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Speaker 1: Makes sense, yes, right, okay, So it's all about proportion

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Speaker 1: for you. So what I'm going to do is ask

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Speaker 1: you three questions, and from the answer to those three questions,

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Speaker 1: concealing from me today you. So, first question to have

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Speaker 1: for you is what is your preferred way to greet someone?

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Speaker 2: So for me, usually handshake. Handshakes pretty good. Like even

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Speaker 2: if there's a little bit of tension at the start,

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Speaker 2: handshake always.

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Speaker 1: Makes things better.

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Speaker 2: Not tension in the hand, Not tension in the hands

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Speaker 2: in the room, tension in the air.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, handshake, you want to touch them. Even in a

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Speaker 1: post COVID world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah, most people react pretty well.

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Speaker 1: COVID was the best thing that that was the best

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Speaker 1: thing to come out of COVID and also Uber eats

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Speaker 1: just leaving the food on your door and not having

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Speaker 1: other great thing, contactless delivery or okay? Question number two?

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Speaker 1: What is an underrated skill that you have? So? I

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Speaker 1: tend to use my words carefully? Words carefully? What where's carefully? Oh? Blank? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Question three? Okay, what about this? What type of films

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Speaker 1: do you like? So? I'm big on Samuel L. Jackson.

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Speaker 3: sort of you name some films that he's been because

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Speaker 3: he's a cool dude. He wears the Kagole backward cap,

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Speaker 1: The Donald Bradman cap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like beret, but he wears a backwards yeah, doctor

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Speaker 2: He was in Snakes on a Plane, Negotiator, Shaft, Avengers.

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Speaker 1: He was in Avengers as well. Good for him. Wow, Okay, Mark,

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Speaker 1: he really presented me to really thoughtful clues to here

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Speaker 1: like it's a sign language interpreter. I don't know. That's interesting.

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Speaker 1: That's using hands and words and handshakes. That's all I've got.

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Speaker 2: I used to work as a negotiator for Victoria Police,

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Speaker 2: working in siege, suicide and hostage negotiations. I now teach

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Speaker 2: others how to deal with high stress and conflict situations.

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Speaker 1: I would not have got that. Does that mean it's

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Speaker 2: No so with I was with Victoria Police for fifteen years, Yes,

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Speaker 2: and then seven of those years was as a police negotiator.

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Speaker 2: So you have to apply for a specialist unit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then once you're in the specialist unit, then you

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Speaker 2: apply to be a negotiator. Then you've got to do

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Speaker 2: a course and then yeah, qualified as a negotiator.

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Speaker 1: And what makes you go I want to do the

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Speaker 1: Mark over here, it's really good getting us a good

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Speaker 2: I think it's something I've always been interested in, Like

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Speaker 2: I like the not so much mind games, but I

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Speaker 2: like that, you know, someone telling me, Hey, I'm definitely

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Speaker 2: not coming out of this house. There's no way in

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Speaker 1: It's a better thing for him to come out of

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Speaker 2: And once I joined the unit, you start to see people,

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Speaker 2: you start see the negotiators working, and yeah, I thought, hey,

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Speaker 1: So gave it a crack. Are you non confrontational?

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Speaker 2: Uh, I'm patient. I think patient. Yeah, that's really good.

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Speaker 2: It takes a lot to get me gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, I'm pretty much chill most of

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Speaker 2: Like I've had I actually had to speak to my

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Speaker 2: what's going on? And I said, Hey, I need to

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Speaker 1: Oh, and she was like, why is that?

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Speaker 2: And I said, look, the amount of people I've dealt

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Speaker 1: So it's a little bit like high school. Right, So

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Speaker 1: how do you negotiate? Is it like the movies and

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Speaker 1: they call it you call up on a telephone, you

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Speaker 1: go yeah, hello, or do you have a megaphone or

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Speaker 1: do you pass a note under a door? What ways

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Speaker 2: So depending on the situation. So we can have face

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Speaker 2: we can do it on the radio. We do have

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Speaker 2: like the movies, but that's only because we can't get

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Speaker 1: So some of it bit hard to yell through a door.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is so, yeah, or when people

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Speaker 2: to try and get up there somehow. But yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of mums would be good

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Speaker 1: negotiators because they have to negotiate with their kids to

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Speaker 1: get out of bed and do things. Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to count. Do you count? No, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give you to the count of three. You've got

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Speaker 2: Come on, that's it. We can to three and then

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Speaker 2: you are like two and a half. You're not doing

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Speaker 2: three quarters. You're not getting tonight.

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Speaker 1: Do you want dessert? Do you want dessert? Come on?

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Speaker 1: Is it? There must be some parallels.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, a lot of the stuff we do people will

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Speaker 2: be doing it without even realizing it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you know you are.

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Speaker 2: You're probably in negotiations all the time with family members,

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Speaker 1: So do you get trained with a set of tools

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the course we did was I think it

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of repetitions, but again it's not Sometimes

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Speaker 2: people here negotiator and they're like, oh, there must be

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Speaker 2: all these tricks, and there must be this, and there

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Speaker 2: must be that, but there's there are no tricks. The strategies,

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Speaker 2: but there's no tricks behind it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Like if if there was tricks to do it, you know,

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Speaker 2: if I could make people do something they did want

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Speaker 2: to do, I'd get paid a lot more money, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean. So that's the real consultancy there,

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Speaker 1: that's the next avenue or right, yes, exactly, mind powers,

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Speaker 1: mental techniques. So if you're a negotiator, what does an

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Speaker 1: average day look like? Do you have something to negotiate

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Speaker 1: every day? There couldn't be something every day? No, So

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Speaker 1: is that very dramatic, like a situation where you need

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Speaker 1: to bring someone like you in. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So obviously we were in Melbourne based, but we go statewide.

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Speaker 2: So if someone was kicking off in mil Durer, then

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Speaker 2: we're traveling down the road to more dura.

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Speaker 1: But and you just do it over zoom. You know,

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Speaker 1: we could just put you an iPads in the front

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Speaker 1: and you could just do it remotely. That's very modern.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: It is very modern, And that actually comes up a

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Speaker 2: little bit about you know, can you just make a

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Speaker 2: phone call and stuff? But we always wanted to be

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Speaker 2: on scene so I could at least and goes back

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Speaker 2: to what I was saying about the handshake thing, is

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Speaker 2: that that's that's most of the times, that's how they'd

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Speaker 2: finish up with me. You just go and hey, like,

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Speaker 2: So my quickest one was twenty one seconds and my

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Speaker 1: You came in that the you turned around the other

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Speaker 1: That's like a current phone conversation with my mother. Ye jeez,

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Speaker 1: I've arrived, I'm in the driveway. I'm going to have

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Speaker 1: but maybe one day. Have you been able to use

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Speaker 2: I'm not involved so a little bit now, And I guess,

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Speaker 2: So if you're genuine, if you're curious, if you ask questions,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, it doesn't come naturally to me, but

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Speaker 2: when I give it a crack, yes, it seems to work.

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Speaker 1: All right, So how do you switch off them? That's

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Speaker 2: So for me, work was work, So I was pretty

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Speaker 2: the times people, you know, say, you know, what if

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Speaker 2: that in a work sense? But for me, that are

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Speaker 2: always real separate lives. So when I used to go

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Speaker 2: you get involved in that drive home, Yeah all good,

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Speaker 2: Well that's good, there's no crossover.

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Speaker 1: But then do you have your like friends and family,

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Speaker 1: how then you being like, hey, can you help with these?

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Speaker 1: We know you're really good at it. Can you can

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the one I heard or hear most commonly was

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Speaker 1: Are you paying me? Yeah? Exactly unless I'm on the club.

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Speaker 1: are you paying? No? We just thought you could. No,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? And you've won that battle? Yes? So

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Speaker 1: what do you say of your proudest achievements so far

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Speaker 2: that I guess, you know, people know as in you know,

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Speaker 1: So feel free not to answer this if you don't

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Speaker 2: Had two fatalities while I was a negotiator, and in

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Speaker 2: those situations like it's all I can do is give

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Speaker 2: you know, you try to make a connection, but you

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Speaker 1: But it took me a little while.

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Speaker 2: But once I've got my head around the fact that

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Speaker 1: So you're no longer doing that with the police. What

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Speaker 2: I do have a business card. I've got many business

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Speaker 1: Know, So what do you do now? Like who do

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Speaker 2: So sort of but different. So the company I work

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Speaker 1: Courses where we rewrite who you are.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things where I'd hope most people

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Speaker 1: a scene. Okay, all right, I'm at a hen's party. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: the hen has locked herself in the bedroom. Oh god,

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Speaker 1: They're like, you have to fix this. How do we

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Speaker 1: She's part of we have. Everyone has to have a

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So there you go. So you start singing that

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Speaker 1: With where because reverse psychology, we're all having fun out

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Speaker 1: that song on a perform it. Everyone will come together

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Speaker 1: and no he wasn't a sign language person. He's a

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Speaker 1: former siege and hostage negotiator. I'm now going to use

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Speaker 1: those skills to negotiate with you. To check us out

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Speaker 1: in the socials and click that follow button man and

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Speaker 1: it's Rosie. I know you want to click click, clickick,

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Speaker 1: click join the party now let the music play. Concealed

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