1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Bungelung Cargotten woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday, 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: the sixth of February. I'm Sam and I'm Zara. What 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: a special episode we have for you today, tda's first 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: ever interview with a sitting Prime Minister. 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 3: There has not been a new coal fired power station 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: built in Australia at any time at any time, but. 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 4: There are a lot of gas exploration projects that are 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 4: under consideration a decade. 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 5: TDA journalist Tom Crowley brings some big questions to his 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 5: chat with sitting PM Anthony Albanezi and they do cover 17 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 5: a lot of ground things like the government plan for 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 5: a Voice to Parliament, climate change, mental health and. 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: So much more. 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: There is a lot to get through for this Monday Morning, 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: so we're going to jump straight into it, but stick 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: around until the end of the episode for a little 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: bit of extra information on the policy areas discussed in 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: the interview. 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 6: Prime Minister, thank you very much for speaking to The 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 6: Daily Oz. Good to be with you. 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 4: I want to start with the referendum on an Indigenous 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 4: voice to Parliament later this year. Now, some of the 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 4: latest polling suggests that a lot of Australians still can't 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: explain what a voice is. How will you bridge that 31 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 4: gap between now on the vote? 32 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: Will be very clear in the lid up to the 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: vote that this is about recognition and consultation. That's all 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: it's about. We should be proud that our constitution should 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: reflect that we share this continent with the oldest continuous 36 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: culture on it. And secondly that where matters effect average 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: on Tyrestrada is under people's we should ask them, we 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: should consult with them. That's good manners. But it won't 39 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: be a funding body. It won't be a body that 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: is able to overrule the Parliament or veto what the 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 3: Parliament does. That's subservient to the Parliament, which is why 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: that detail will be legislated, and of course that legislation 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 3: can be changed from time to time. 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 4: It can, but There are clearly a lot of people 45 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: who are quite interested in getting a sense as they 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 4: make their mind up about their votes, about what that 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: legislation will look like. 48 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: People, I think haven't had a referendum on the Constitution 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: this century. For everyone under the age of forty, this 50 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: will be the first time they've ever voted. And what 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: they're voting on isn't legislation. They're not voting on the 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: structure of the voice detail. What they're voting on is 53 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: just the principle of concert judicial recognition and that the 54 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: form in which aberyswel TOAs straight Islander. People themselves determined 55 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: at Ularu overwhelmingly that they wanted was to have a voice, 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 3: that is, a say in matters that affect them. 57 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 4: If I can move on to housing, the cost of 58 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 4: both owning a house and renting a house are going 59 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 4: up significantly at the moment. It's something that puts pressure 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 4: on a lot of Australians. Millions of Australians really are 61 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 4: housing stress rates some of the highest in the world. 62 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 4: A lot of the policies that the government offers cover 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 4: maybe a few tens of thousands of people a year. 64 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: Is that really enough to shift the dial on this problem. 65 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: Well, this is a massive problem, and we're very cognizant 66 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: of that. For young people in particular, it's far more 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 3: difficult to get in a home ownership than it was 68 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: when I first went into home ownership and went and 69 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: got a mortgage, which was in the early nineteen nineties. 70 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: And so what we need to deal with, though, is 71 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: a whole issue of supply that affects not thousands of people, 72 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: but hundreds of thousands of people. And that's why our 73 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: housing accord is such a breakthrough. And that's on top 74 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: of the additional social housing investment that we're doing, the 75 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 3: additional emergency housing investment that we're doing for women and 76 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: children escaping domestic violence. That's on top of our Regional 77 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: home Buyers scheme. It's on top of our Help to 78 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: Buy scheme, which is a shared equity scheme as well 79 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: to allow people to get into the market. So a 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: whole range of reforms are they're working together to try 81 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: and assist people to get into appropriate housing. 82 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: But a lot of these problems are very deeply rooted. 83 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 4: One thing the Labor Party is considered in the past 84 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: is some of the tax treatment of housing and the 85 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 4: way that that encourages people to be investing in the 86 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: housing market. 87 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 6: Is that something that you'll revisit. 88 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: Well, we visited it and it was rejected by the 89 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: Australian people. Never again there it was rejected when we 90 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: put it forward overwhelmingly. The advice that we've received is 91 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: that you need to increase the supply of housing and 92 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: that is what our reforms are aimed at doing. 93 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: I'll change TAC to mental health. Now, I suppose we're 94 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 4: in the midst of a really significant mental health crisis. 95 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 4: It's particularly acute for young people. In that context, your 96 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 4: government allowed ten additional subsidized sessions to expire at the 97 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: end of last year and there's not yet anything in 98 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 4: place to replace that. What will you do to replace 99 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 4: that and to address the mental health channel. 100 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: Well, that measure, of course was determined by the former government. 101 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 6: It was but it was a decision to allow that 102 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 6: to expire. 103 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: Well, no, we didn't make a decision to change extended it, 104 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: to change what was there. And the advice was that 105 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 3: the problem was that additional people getting access to support 106 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 3: services wasn't being aided enough under that system. That is 107 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 3: that the same number of people were getting more support, 108 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: not more people getting support. Now that was the advice 109 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: to government. 110 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 4: But I mean the pattern that we see in mental health. 111 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 4: And when that decision was announced in December, there was 112 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,119 Speaker 4: a concession from the government that there were broader issues 113 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 4: about cost and access in the mental health system. You've 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 4: spoken quite openly about issues with Medicare. More broadly, is 115 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 4: the health system on life support and to be more 116 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 4: specific about it, will a really significant amount of funding 117 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 4: need to come from the government to fix that issue. 118 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 3: Well, what we need to do is to fix the 119 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: health system in general. The moment, you have the Medicare 120 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 3: system that is run by the Commoth. At the same 121 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: time you have the hospital systems that is run by 122 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: the states, so you have some built in structural inefficiencies 123 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: where there are rather bizarre financial incentives to not work together. 124 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: And that's why we allocated in the budget in October 125 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: additional support for telehealth services for mental health in rural 126 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: areas that that had been was planned to be withdrawn 127 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: and that was a commitment that we made it the 128 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: election and we put that in the budget. We established 129 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: a Medicare task Force to try and make sure that 130 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: we get better outcomes. So we need to look at 131 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: healthcare as a whole. That's what it's about. 132 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 4: On climate change, your target is to reduce emissions by 133 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 4: forty three percent by the end of the decade. Now, 134 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 4: the scientific consensus around the world is pretty clear that 135 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: the world is not on track to limit warming to 136 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: one point five degrees. We are one of the richest 137 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: nations in the world. Why can't our target be more ambitious? 138 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: Look, it could be, but you've got to have a 139 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: pathway to get there. You won't win support for that 140 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: if when you walked in this room, you flicked a 141 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: switch and. 142 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 6: The light didn't go on. 143 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: You need a transition. Now, we have a twenty billion 144 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: dollar rewarr in the nation program to bring the grid 145 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: into the twenty first century. We have a plan to 146 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: support renewables, we have a plan to support electric vehicles, 147 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: We have a plan to support energy efficiency. But at 148 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: the same time, you need time for that investment to occur. 149 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: And all of the projections going forward showed that getting 150 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: to forty three percent reduction by twenty thirty is extremely 151 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: ambitious in itself because of the nine lost years which 152 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: we have. 153 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 4: But there are other policy options on the table that 154 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: could be considered. You've spoken yourself about this target as 155 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 4: a flaw rather than a ceiling. And one of those 156 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: is the number of coal and gas projects that are 157 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 4: currently under consideration, many of which your government has indicated 158 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 4: in the past. 159 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: Thirty support where which ones well? Are there these figures 160 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: are plucked out? 161 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 6: Which ones well? Sure? 162 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 4: But I mean it remains the case that the government 163 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 4: won't commit that it will never consider any coal and 164 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: gas projects, and that's it's in a context where such 165 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 4: is constantly updating it. 166 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: There has not been a new coal fired power station 167 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: built in Australia at any time. At any time there 168 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 3: are a lot of gas exploration projects that are under consideration, 169 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: then a decade there has not been any. Take a 170 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: practical example, Rio Tinto have four facilities based around Gladston. 171 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: They want to move away from a lumina refinery refining 172 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 3: another activity based upon using fossil fuels, which is how 173 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: it's powered at the moment through coal fired power station 174 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: there at Gladston. They want to move to powering through renewables, 175 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: but they need access to gas as part of that transition. Now, 176 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: longer term they're looking at hydrogen fulfilling that role. But 177 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 3: in the meantime You're talking about tens of billions of 178 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: dollars of private sector investment by a single company aimed 179 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 3: at lowering in their emissions but also enabling them to 180 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: continue to create jobs, produce products that we need. So 181 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: you need practical, real solutions going forward, or else what 182 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: you'll do is you will lose support for the change 183 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: that needs to occur. 184 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 4: Conscious of time, I want to get to a couple 185 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 4: of other topics that may be unaways kind of headline news, 186 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: and I want to start with vaping. It's something that 187 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 4: a lot of experts are kind of worried that we're 188 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 4: losing years of progress on smoking rates with high amounts 189 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 4: of vaping among young people. Is that something you think 190 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 4: that governments, maybe you've been a little bit slow to recognize. 191 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: I share their concerns. There are real concerns that vaping 192 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: is a pathway to the same problem that has existed. 193 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 6: So what my government do about that? 194 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 4: I mean, playing packaging was the answer for cigarettes, could 195 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: be sort of plain flavoring or something along those lines. 196 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: Look, that's something I think that government at every level 197 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: will examine, and I do think that it is a 198 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: major issue. We know it's an issue as well. 199 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: The government released a plan last year to work towards 200 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: eliminating violence against women. A lot of past government plans 201 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 4: have failed. What specifically will be different this time. 202 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: Ten days paid domestic violence leaves. That will make a 203 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: big difference. No woman should have to choose between staying 204 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: safe and being able to secure their job, and that 205 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: will make a difference. We have five hundred increased community 206 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: service workers working in this area as well, providing support 207 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: for women and children in particular escaping domestic violence. We 208 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: have one hundred million dollars for increased in emergency housing. 209 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: We have four thousand new social housing units will be 210 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: built for families and escaping domestic violence in particular quarantine 211 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: for them. 212 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 4: On refugee policy, there have been a lot of reports 213 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 4: over a really long period of time, but including very 214 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 4: recent ones about the mistreatment of refugees at asylums is 215 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 4: in Australia's detention centers. 216 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 6: Is that an appropriate way to be treating desperate people. 217 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: Well, everyone should be treated with respect and with care, 218 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: regardless of where they are. That's my very firm view. 219 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: So what action will be taken in response to some 220 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 4: of those recent reports about mistreatment at the hands of 221 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 4: government contractors in Australia's detention centers. 222 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: We already have taken considerable action. We're committed to changing 223 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 3: giving temporary protection visa holders more certainty going forward. Where 224 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: of course took the Nati Salinum family home to Billow 225 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: there was discussion at the time that we did that 226 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: about that would start the people smuggler trade, and of 227 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: course that hasn't occurred. 228 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 4: The last policies you on my list is another left 229 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 4: field one and that's Pokey's. Australia's got one of the 230 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 4: worst Pokey's problems in the world. It's getting a bit 231 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 4: of attention in New South Wales and Tasmania. The Gillar 232 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 4: government briefly cons did national controls Will you look. 233 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: It's a state regulate poker machines that the Comworth does 234 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: have responsibility for some gambling issues. 235 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 6: But it did consider government did consider a matter, well, 236 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 6: it did, can do it. No, it didn't. 237 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: It didn't do it because it's a state responsibility. The 238 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 3: federal government has responsibility in a range of areas. For example, 239 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: online gambling is something that can be considered and the 240 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: government will consider appropriate responses in the areas which are 241 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 3: our responsibility. 242 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 4: We'll be back right after this, all right, promise, Well, 243 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 4: really appreciate your time. If I can finish just on 244 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 4: maybe a more personal question. When cinder Adan left office, 245 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 4: she identified compassion, empathy, and kindness as of the most 246 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: important traits for a prime minister. 247 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 6: What's on the top of your list? 248 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: Well, the kindness I mentioned in my victory speech on 249 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 3: May twenty first, and it's really interesting that as I've 250 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: gone around the country, so many people have said to 251 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: me that they registered that on the night. I think 252 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 3: also being straight with people. My biography that was written 253 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 3: by Karen Middleton was subtitled telling it Straight, and I 254 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: hope that I'll always be upfront with people. The discussion 255 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: we've had today about climate and targets and what amount 256 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: you hit. I don't think that you restore faith in 257 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: government and government processes by just telling people what they 258 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: want to hear, the easy answers. You have to have 259 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: clear paths to deliver what you say you can do. 260 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: And that's part of my objective as well. So that 261 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: can be summarized in one word, as in integrity. I 262 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: want to lead a government that has integrity. 263 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 4: To balance it out a little bit. I don't sound 264 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 4: too much like a job interview. But what about you 265 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 4: because weakness when it comes to that list of traits. 266 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: Well that's up to others to identify that, fair enough, 267 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: you know, none of us, none of us are perfect. 268 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 3: We all do our best in the job that we have. 269 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: I think being a politician as an honorable profession, and 270 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: I realized there's a lot of disillusionment out there about it. 271 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: I as well recognize that for a lot of young people, 272 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 3: they don't identify as much as they used to do 273 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: when I was your age with the major political parties. 274 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: But the job of government is usually done by one 275 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: or either the major parties. And that's why I'm in 276 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 3: the Low Party, because I want to be in the 277 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: room and make decisions the future of Australia, not wait 278 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: for the decisions to be made and then decide whether 279 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: I'll protest against it or not, or whether it's a 280 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: good thing or not. To have that say is really important. 281 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: But it's important as well that a genuine government in 282 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: a democracy like ours is prepared to listen and engage 283 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: with people. And that's why I must say the rise 284 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: of new media such as yours is really important to 285 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: give young people. 286 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 6: That voice and that say Prime Minister, thank you, thanks very. 287 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: Much, thanks so much for joining us on this special 288 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: episode of The Daily OS. 289 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 5: Fair to say, there was a lot of information in 290 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 5: that chat about what the government's planning or what it 291 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 5: already has in the works. So if you want to 292 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 5: deeper dive into any of these topics, there's a TDA 293 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 5: post or podcast for you. 294 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 6: We've got you sought it. 295 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: We're going to link all of that in the show 296 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: notes and if you don't what you're after, just dm 297 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: us on Instagram and we'll do our best to make 298 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: it happen. 299 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 5: Sam, We've got a long way since our first little 300 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 5: Instagram post five five five years ago, sitting in that 301 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 5: cafe in Bondai, when we didn't know what we were 302 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 5: doing or what would happen, and now we have these 303 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 5: types of discussions with the Prime Minister of this country 304 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 5: and Opposition leader Peter Dunnan. If you're listening, we are 305 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 5: very keen to lock in a chat with you very soon. 306 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: For you guys listening at home who are not Peter Dunnan, 307 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: the more you help us by liking, engaging, sharing posts, 308 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: listening to your podcast, signing up to a newsletter. It 309 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 2: means we have more ammunition to go to the people 310 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: in power with your questions and hold them to account. 311 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 5: We'll be back again tomorrow, but until then, have a 312 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 5: fab day.