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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torbor. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fat. Thank you, welcome back to Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us again. Now, Sophie, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a big week for you, isn't it this week?

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Speaker 1: You know when you're and bark in a week and

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Speaker 1: you just already know it's going to be absolute hell

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Speaker 1: on earth. So basically, I'm moving house on Thursday, and

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Speaker 1: it's been a pretty quick turnaround. Well, just like last

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Speaker 1: week when we were recording the podcast, Sophie randomly goes, oh,

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Speaker 1: I've got to pause because I've got to go out

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Speaker 1: and check out this open inspection, and we're like, what, Yeah, Well, basically,

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Speaker 1: I hope my landlord's not listening because we're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to actually have a dog at the house, so we've

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Speaker 1: been hiding in for the past two weeks. We thought

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Speaker 1: getting so paranoid. And we've got these neighbors next door

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Speaker 1: who've spoken about before. They're literally the Brady bunch next door.

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Speaker 1: They have lunches out the front, their kid learns to

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Speaker 1: the dog out without them seeing. I think you guys

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Speaker 1: actually know that you're not allowed to have a home.

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Speaker 1: I know, but they're all friends in this little community

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Speaker 1: also our backyard is just shit. There is not even

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Speaker 1: boy to have some grass to run around on. Well, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I've been roped into helping them move on Thursday because

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Speaker 1: Sophie's new thing is to ask me a favor by

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Speaker 1: getting Archie and talking in a baby's voice, saying, Auntie, Kate,

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Speaker 1: can you help me move? And like, how do you

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Speaker 1: the fake dog? We know she does it holding him up. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually just so excited though, even though it's going

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Speaker 1: It's luckily. I'm so lucky that we're moving into a

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Speaker 1: brand new house. It's his townhouse. And it's really weird

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Speaker 1: that are blue, the bright blue color. It's also got

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that trumps me. He's not really

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Speaker 1: until November, and here's the doom and gloom police. Oh

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Speaker 1: you might get stuck for five months with it. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: The place next got door got snapped up in six days.

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Speaker 1: the group, or we'll put a little topic up and

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Speaker 1: people can predict how long it's going to take Sophie

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be six weeks. Six I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 1: and exciting week. Yes, I have. I'm finally not unemployed.

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Speaker 1: just bringing an old shit from home. Amy, what about

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Speaker 1: and YouTuber Shane Dawson has officially been canceled as Carmageddon

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people misinterpret his humor because I

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Speaker 1: didn't actually realize he's Jewish, and obviously so many of

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Speaker 1: his jokes in Borat are about the Jews, but he

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Speaker 1: is actually making those jokes similar to how Basil Faulty

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Speaker 1: on Faulty Towers used to make jokes about, say, the

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Speaker 1: Germans in the war. It is to show people how

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Speaker 1: ridiculous and how rape those comments are, and to show

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Speaker 1: people that we should be laughing and mocking people like that.

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Speaker 1: And that's what annoyed me because Chris ly is trying

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Speaker 1: to reflect society back to itself and he's trying to

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Speaker 1: start a discussion point, yeah, isn't it Yeah? And obviously,

436
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Speaker 1: as we've said, there are ways that he could have

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Speaker 1: done it better and using black faces not acceptable, but

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Speaker 1: it is hard when people are trying to tear him

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Speaker 1: down for something that I don't think was done with

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Speaker 1: any malice or hate. We have to remember, as we've

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Speaker 1: touched on the time that these things were created and

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Speaker 1: what was acceptable. Then I definitely don't think it's constructive

443
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Speaker 1: jumping on people in these situations. Obviously there is room

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Speaker 1: for education and no one is doubting that. But in

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Speaker 1: with the Shane Dawson case, when people then go and

446
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Speaker 1: just slam him and cancel him and completely take aim

447
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: at him, what that's going to do to the person

448
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Speaker 1: is they're going to retreat and they're going to think

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Speaker 1: of themselves as being the victim in that situation. So

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Speaker 1: they're going to go out and start learning about black

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Speaker 1: history and why blackfaces offense If they're going to think

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Speaker 1: I'm the victim and I'm going to sit at home

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Speaker 1: and cry about this. And as brought up James Charles

454
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Speaker 1: was close to suicide this time last year when he

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Speaker 1: was canceled. Well, that's kind of what I think. I think, Well,

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Speaker 1: when they've apologized, really, what else can they do if

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Speaker 1: it's a genuine apology, There's not much more the person

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Speaker 1: can actually do. But that's what shocks me about the

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Speaker 1: public is we're just so easily led by whoever's bringing

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Speaker 1: about the narrative. Like, as you said, we all jumped

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Speaker 1: on James Charles, now we're all jumping on Shane Dawson.

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Speaker 1: Why can't we just have a bit of time to

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Speaker 1: mull over it and just not react in such negativity.

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Speaker 1: I actually saw some Influences posting on their intertas story

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Speaker 1: over the weekend. It was a quote about cancel culture,

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Speaker 1: and it was saying, can we not cancel people? Can

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Speaker 1: we be a bit kinder and educate people and give

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Speaker 1: them the chance to educate themselves and apologize because at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, no one is perfect, And

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Speaker 1: especially now when we're going back and holding people accountable

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Speaker 1: for things that they've done ten years ago, it opens

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Speaker 1: up a candid worms doesn't it. Yeah, And I don't

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Speaker 1: feel like there would be anyone who has not looked

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Speaker 1: back on past behavior and thought I could have done

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Speaker 1: that better. I do all the stupid shit that you

476
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Speaker 1: did at school, like the things that you thought even

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00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 1: just dumb things that you do with your friends or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But that's the whole thing with social media though. Like

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Speaker 1: social media started at a time when a lot of

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Speaker 1: us personally were very very young and didn't know the

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Speaker 1: repercussions of our actions and the fact that that's going

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Speaker 1: to be a footprint for you for the rest of

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Speaker 1: your life. And that is the scary thing that everyone

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Speaker 1: needs to remember. What you put out on the Internet

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Speaker 1: is not going away, and especially if you are a

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Speaker 1: big YouTuber, because people are going to screenshot it, screen

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Speaker 1: recorder and that is going to be on your history

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Speaker 1: for a very long time. Let's close some Let's see

489
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Speaker 1: how gone you'd like? Does anyone else's boyfriend eat like that? Now,

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Speaker 1: let's get into the pit and peak of the social

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00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: media week? Now, kay, you have the peak for us.

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Speaker 1: It's a new YouTuber you found. Yes, I thought I

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Speaker 1: would help everyone out with a recommendation, and it is

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Speaker 1: Elliet Darby. Now She is an English YouTuber and I

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00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: have been laughing so much of her content. It's not

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00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: actually meant to be comical, but I found it so relaxing.

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Speaker 1: So she has been on YouTube for quite a few

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Speaker 1: years and she's one of those typical kind of people

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Speaker 1: that vlogs about their live and does mook bungs and

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Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. And her sidekick is her

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00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: boyfriend Con. Now, the way she speaks to Con is hilarious.

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00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: They've been together for six years, so they've kind of

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Speaker 1: got that thing where they're past their honeymoon phase and

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00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: it's just hilarious. Always like Con, don't do that. And

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Speaker 1: they go through McDonald's together and oh my gosh. I've

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Speaker 1: been telling Sophie and Amy they need to watch it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get on it. I think the pit

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Speaker 1: though this week has to be another UK vlogger, Saffron Barker.

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Speaker 1: We've recommended her before. Now she's announced that she's got

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Speaker 1: a new boyfriend. And I'm not saying this is the peak,

511
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Speaker 1: but this is so disturbing. In less than twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours of Saffron announcing that this guy was her boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: he went from having I think it was about eight

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Speaker 1: hundred followers to having over forty thousand. And the reason

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Speaker 1: that this is the pit is I do feel really

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Speaker 1: sorry for some influencers because if you're a young nineteen

517
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Speaker 1: year old girl, you're gonna be second guessing everybody that

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Speaker 1: wants to date you because this guy is now an influencer.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is I saw Saffron's post and she

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Speaker 1: didn't even tag him in the post, so how did

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Speaker 1: they find Well, he wrote I love you, oh so yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I did have a little look and I'm not

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Speaker 1: I have I don't know about this kid at all,

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Speaker 1: but he did kind of give off cross that vibe

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00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: of a want to be influencer. It cracks me up

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Speaker 1: that people have had to troll through because the amount

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Speaker 1: of comments someone like Saffron Barker would get, and they've

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Speaker 1: trolled through all of them and then had to check

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Speaker 1: and see if that's him. She responded, so then it

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Speaker 1: was one of the top comments that's okay, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: I trolled through the comments immediately trying to find out

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Speaker 1: he was just that. I don't know which nuts would

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Speaker 1: be doing. To be honest, I just walked in from

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Speaker 1: taking the dog to the toilet, so I missed that bit.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Sophie, because you've completely interrupted this segment,

536
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Speaker 1: you have to tell everybody the message you received from

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Speaker 1: your boyfriend before. Oh my gosh, it was so funny,

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00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: but just before I left to come over to record

539
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: the podcast. Oh sorry, that's Sophie's baby. Sorry, everybody. Archie

540
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: we on the floor, which is one of his bad habits.

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Speaker 1: I haven't taught him exactly how to pee outsize, not

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00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: toilet trained yet. No, please don't tell me Uie on

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00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: the floor and he's picked. Anyway, I was rushing at

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Speaker 1: the door and I was like, oh, I'll clean that

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00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: up when I get back. Anyway, I get this message

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Speaker 1: from Brandon. He must have taken a piece by the

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Speaker 1: front door, because I just slipped over in it, and

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00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: I just just the image of him slipping in the

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00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: dog spit. Poor poor Brandon. Anyway, that's it for the

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Speaker 1: pit in the peak of the social media week, she's

551
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Speaker 1: the least exciting to look at. Let's get into our

552
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: reality wrap of the week. I know we've been saying

553
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: this for weeks. A Bachelor in Paradise. Next week is

554
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: the week. It feels like an eternity, doesn't it and

555
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: the full cast have actually finally been revealed, and I

556
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: am so excited because Kira maguire is back now. She

557
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: was on the first series of Bachelor in Paradise and

558
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: of course on Richie Strawn's series, and Kira surprisingly found

559
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: love with Jared from Sophie Monk's series, which shocked me.

560
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: So I have no idea who she will actually be

561
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: interested in the cast. I'm guessing that she's just been

562
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: thrown in there and there's not going to be any

563
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: interest because she hasn't been teased at all as having

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00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: a love interest with anybody at the way. Well apparently, sorry,

565
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: how dumb are we? Because I follow Kira on Instagram

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Speaker 1: and I keep seeing her post Insta stories with Kieran

567
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: and Tim, So of course she was always going to

568
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: be in it, because how would she know their motherwise?

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00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: Do you know what? The thing that is difficult now

570
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: is because of social media and the fact that all

571
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: of these Bachelor contestants will a lot of them now

572
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: have their own podcasts. It's really hard for us as

573
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: a viewer to not have an inkling whether they find

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00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: love or not. Can I just give you a tip Sophie.

575
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: And this is a chip I try and give my

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Speaker 1: boyfriend when I try and encourage him to watch reality TV.

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00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: Don't think too deeply. Yeah, don't ask too many question.

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00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: Just enjoy it. It's just going to ruin it for you,

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00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: do you know what? Though, I'm really looking forward to it,

580
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm going to be disappointed like

581
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: I was with Big Brother. I just I don't know

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00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: something about Bachelor and Paradise is always let down. Well,

583
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: so if I'm trying to get you on the bandwagon

584
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: because you keep saying you're gonna watch reality TV, and

585
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: then I'm the only one that ever bloody seemed to

586
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: yeah because because it's shit at the moment, I'm sorry,

587
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: it's shit. Okay, Well, to get you excited, the other

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00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: people that are going to be on it. So there's three,

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00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: well there's actually four from Matt series of course Abby Chatfield,

590
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: who we love. There's also Helena, Mary and Cassandra. Now

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00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: I didn't really know who Cassandra was, but Mary, of

592
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: course she was hilarious, so I think she's going to

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00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: be good value. And Helena was very good value on

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Speaker 1: Matt series two. There's also she was the one that

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00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: had a strange meeting with the family. Was that right? Yeah,

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00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: I think she tried to dump him before. Yeah, and

597
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: she's South Africa. She's the one that came out with

598
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: that controversial diet. Yes, yes, that's her after the Batchie.

599
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: There's also Jamie, the Stage five clinger from Angie series.

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00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: They always put those characters in though the ones that

601
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: have been framed they will psycho. Maybe that will Kira

602
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: will fall for him because you know, I eck her

603
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: ex was a stage five Well. He on the video

604
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: promoting the fact that Kurra's back said he liked Curra,

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00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: so I could actually see that happening. I remember hearing

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00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: that Abby Chatfield hits it off with him, Oh really,

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00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: which would shock me. I think we've got to remember

608
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: that the way they portrayed normally on their first outing

609
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: on The Bachelor of Bachelorette isn't really indicative of how

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00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: they appear on Bachelor in Paradise. Because of course, it's

611
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: looking like Kieran that we talked about last week is

612
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: going to be the bad boy. But another bad boy

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00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: that is joining him is Jake Ellis from Georgia Love Series,

614
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: who was on I think the previous season he was

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Speaker 1: on with I think it was season one with Megan.

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00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: Megan he was a dick, wasn't he. Yeah, and he's

617
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: come out and slammed the Bachelor franchise for making him

618
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: look bad. Yeah, he's now gone back on it, so

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00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: so I do crawling back. When I saw him, I

620
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: was like, are you serious? Could they not get anybody else? Yeah?

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00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: I actually couldn't recognize a few people in the cast. Yeah.

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00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: Well that's why there were a lot of nobodies that

623
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: are Obviously they're trying to get people on the show.

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00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: So hopefully I hope the people that we don't know

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00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: and haven't seen before actually get some airtime, because I

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Speaker 1: feel really bad for them that they didn't get any

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00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: airtime before. Well, what about the claims that Alex, who

628
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: was known as a US Alex on the previous series

629
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: of Bachelor and Paradise has made. He of course, was

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Speaker 1: as I said, from the US Bachelorette he was bloody

631
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: hot yeah, and American Alex yeah, sorry, American Alex. And

632
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: he was dating Brook. Yeah. So if you cast your

633
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: mind back to last year, there was that whole love

634
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: triangle apparently between Brook, who came out as Bisexual and

635
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Speaker 1: the Honey Badger series and Alex Nation and then American Alex.

636
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: So we were all made to think that American Alex

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Speaker 1: was being taken for a ride and there was this

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Speaker 1: love story blossoming between Alex Nation and Brook. But apparently,

639
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Speaker 1: according to American Alex, it was just queer baiting from

640
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Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, and they took advantage of the fact that

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00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: they were both called Alex and a lot of the

642
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: quotes Brooke said about American Alex they pretended were about

643
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Alex Nation. You were telling me the Bachelor edited their

644
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: grabs and took them out of context. Would have thought

645
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: I thought there was a real love stories that we

646
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: were watching. So disappointing. Well, in other Bachelor news, sadly,

647
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not really surprised. Angie Kent and Carlin revealed

648
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Speaker 1: on Instagram on Wednesday night that they've split up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the most shocking thing to come out about

650
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Speaker 1: this announcement was Carlin showing his Instagram followed him getting

651
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: his lips done. Well, that's the thing. So he came

652
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Speaker 1: out on Angie's series of The Bachelorette and admitted to

653
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Speaker 1: the boys that he did get lip fillers, which, you know,

654
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Speaker 1: if that's what he wants to do, good on him.

655
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: If that's that's what floats his bows. Your real opinion, well, yeah,

656
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: if that makes him feel better. I personally don't know

657
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Speaker 1: if i'd want my boyfriend getting lip phillis, but if

658
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Speaker 1: that's what he wants to do, do you know what

659
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Speaker 1: the terrible thing was? I saw the Daily Mail article

660
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Speaker 1: about it, and they showed his lips before and I

661
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Speaker 1: literally would have never noticed there was anything wrong with them,

662
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: but then because he'd had them done, I was like, wow,

663
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Speaker 1: they did look quite small. Well, the issue was that

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Speaker 1: Carlin took to his Insta story to explain what had happened.

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Speaker 1: You know that he and Angie had broken up and

666
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Speaker 1: people couldn't stop fixating on his lips because he literally

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Speaker 1: just had them done the day before and so they

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Speaker 1: were extra extra puffy. Here's a fun fact for our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Our father, Hugh Torbert, has very big lips and he

670
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Speaker 1: he hates them. He has covered them up for the

671
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: past thirty one years, grown a mustache that covers Yeah,

672
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: he has a mustache that covers them. He could be

673
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: quite in fashion. Now this is a thing for men.

674
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Speaker 1: Maybe well, on a more serious note, Carlin did come

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Speaker 1: out and say his mental health had affected his relationship

676
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Speaker 1: with Angie, and he did reveal back in May that

677
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Speaker 1: he suffers from severe depression and anxiety. So I think

678
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Speaker 1: it was interesting what Angie said because she said that

679
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Speaker 1: their values did a line and there was a bit

680
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: of emphasis on it being Carlin's problem. So it's quite

681
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: interesting that he's come out and addressed and said, yeah,

682
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Speaker 1: it was my mental health issues. So hopefully Carlin is

683
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: in a much better headspace now. And I love Angie,

684
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: so I was upset to hear that, because you do

685
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: want things to work out for her. So I wish

686
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Speaker 1: we wish her all the best because she's been on

687
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: our show before and she was such a legend. Yeah,

688
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: she was amazing. I mean, I think she'll be fine.

689
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: She's a very independent person from what it seems like,

690
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: so I'm sure that there's only the best to come

691
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Speaker 1: for her. And you never know, Tim might not find

692
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: love Paradise Britney. It's so hard we want Brittany Hockley

693
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: to find love on there. And moving on to Big Brother, Now,

694
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: this one shocked me because it seems like all the

695
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: interesting stuff happening on Big Brother is an air. So Hannah,

696
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Speaker 1: who was evicted a couple of episodes ago, has come

697
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Speaker 1: out and said that she actually likes Kiuran. Yeah, they

698
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: had a party Pash apparently. Well I saw this out

699
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: and I could not believe it. Yeah, so I actually

700
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: read it first and I was like, Okay, this is

701
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: from the Daily Mail, So I'm going to actually watch

702
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: the video because surely she was joking. Yeah, but it

703
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: was very odd. It seems like she's trying to make

704
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Speaker 1: it a thing. So she said when she first arrived

705
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: in the house that she felt, you know, sorry for

706
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: Kieran because he hadn't I don't think he kissed a

707
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Speaker 1: girl or dated anyone. So they didn't even air his

708
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: first ever kiss. Yes, So she said that she would

709
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: give him some dating advice and they did a mock

710
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: update and she sort of told him how to act

711
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: and then she let him kiss her to practice once.

712
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: But then on the night that I think was before

713
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: she was being evicted, she apparently threw like a bouquet.

714
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: It was at a party, through a bouquet, and if

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Speaker 1: he caught it, then she said she would give him

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00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: a kiss. So she did. Why has none of this

717
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: aired because they're just focusing on all the strategy. Yeah,

718
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: and she even referred to him as her hot house

719
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: husband and said that when Kieran found out she had

720
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Speaker 1: been nominated, he came in and said to Big Brother, oh, well,

721
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: we might need to get a divorce. So all the

722
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: focus has been on Chad and Sophie's relationship. Yeah, they

723
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: haven't really explained even that the inner relationship will kissed

724
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Speaker 1: or anything, like where is all the raunch she started?

725
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Speaker 1: Do you think that Hannah's pissed off? Because usually it's

726
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: quite a good strategy for people to get into a

727
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: relationship to be popular, So she's probably like taking one

728
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: for the team. Bloody getting here now bloody thing doesn't

729
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: even mean Yeah, do you think it would be quite

730
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: a story that this hot girl has hooked up with

731
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: this nerdy guy that's never had a girlfriend, sort of

732
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: like beauty in the geek style. I've always said with

733
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: Big Brother, because it's pre filmed, they could have made

734
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: so many different shows, Like they could literally sit there

735
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: now and cut up an old school version of Big

736
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: Brother and include all this shit. They could make an

737
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: uncut one, but they've chosen to just do Survivor Big

738
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: Brother style. Yeah, it's very sad. All the gossip, it's

739
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: very sad. All the juice is now on the editor's floor.

740
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: These projections idiots. I don't the money, get a pay

741
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: my mortgage. I've got money, I've got Trent. It's time

742
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: now for awkward turtle and this awkward moment involves you

743
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: to Yeah, so I got roped into this awkward moment

744
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: and I knew as soon as I said yes, this

745
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: moment would be awkward. Well, working in PR, you've got

746
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: to sometimes source talent for stories and photos, and basically

747
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: my client is going to be in the Daily Telegraph

748
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: about it. Apptually had so they needed a young girl

749
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: for the photo. Thank you for considering me young. That's

750
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: all right for anyone. Now. I asked around. I asked

751
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: a lot of different friends and people I knew to

752
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: be in the story, and unfortunately I couldn't get someone

753
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: at this late stage. So I thought, Hm, who do

754
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: I know? Gee? This is making me feel more and

755
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: more happy to be involved the last option though. I

756
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: thought of you first, but I knew you wouldn't want

757
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: to do it anyway. I had to send over a

758
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: photo to get approval for Kate to be in the story.

759
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: So I sent over a photo stupidly with the two

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00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: of us in it, and then the journalist was like, oh,

761
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: what a great idea, I'll have both of you in it.

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00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: Sorry to me, it sounds like you sent a photo

763
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: of you two to get involved. So if you wanted

764
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: to be in the photo, I did not want. I

765
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: swear I did not want to be in the photo.

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00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: The funniest bit of this story is that so So

767
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: conned Kate into being in it, and the night before

768
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: Kate goes, wait a second, why is an Amy in it? Yeah,

769
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Speaker 1: we are comfort and I just know you would not.

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00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: You would flat out refuse and I would have and

771
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: then I would have been stuck being in it by myself. Again.

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00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: I was emotionally blackmailed to be in it because I

773
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: don't like having my photo taken, and I have been.

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Speaker 1: Did the dog ask you to be in it? I

775
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: can't remember how, But I as a media manager, a

776
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: lot of my job involves setting up photos like Sophie

777
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: has done. So usually I'm the person holding the flash

778
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: and getting the people in the photo. So I knew

779
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: what it was going to take. It was going to

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00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: be a lot of fake laughing, really awkward, over the

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00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: top posers, and that's exactly what it was. And we

782
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: looked so materialistic in the photo. There are all these

783
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: like shopping bags that were Sophie's like sokoloras area comment

784
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: in the group if you want me to share it

785
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: because it's coming out on Saturday. I am dreading it

786
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: because I just know that they're going to choose some

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00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: unflattering angle or some double chin show. I think I

788
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: got the ultimate karma though, because they told us, oh,

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00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: wear bright clothes. I went through all of my clothes

790
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: because I wear quite neutral colors now anyway, to find

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00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: something bright. So I found this bright green shirt and

792
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, that'd be perfect. Anyway, after the photos

793
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: are taken, Kate tells me that my shirt has been

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00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: inside out the whole photo. I have this tag hanging

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00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: out and I was like, Sophie, I think your shirt's

796
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: on inside out. My boyfriend was rather pleased because he

797
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: said the photographer was hitting on him during the show.

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00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she just made a joke. Oh wow. Well,

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00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: as I said before, I'm still waiting to be paid

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00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: for the photo. Sophie said that she would give me

801
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: thirty dollars and then Amy said really, and then Amy's like,

802
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: we're not paying her, and then Sobe's like, oh'll take

803
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: you out for a meal, and I'm still waiting. No.

804
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: I offered you at the house. You've been wanting to

805
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: try my new protein powder, and I said, I'll make

806
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: you Oh yeah, sorry. Sophie offered me a free smoothie

807
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: at her house and a piece of job my love

808
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: for there's just gone from money to a dinner out

809
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: to smoothie. That's how much your worth, Kate. I have

810
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: my own smoothie ingredient. You know what. This could be

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Speaker 1: the best photo you've ever seen of yourself, and then

812
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: you'll be thanking me for I'm not sure. I didn't

813
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: do my tan, only tan my neck. It was a

814
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: very lazy tan. Well, anyway, we'll keep you guys posted

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Speaker 1: on the photo if it does appear in the paper.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again for tuning in. We'd love if you

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Speaker 1: could come and join us in our Facebook community. We've

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Speaker 1: mentioned a few times well, and it's so exciting. It's growing.

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Speaker 1: I keep getting notifications of people joining, so please keep

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Speaker 1: that up. It's so exciting and so great to have

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Speaker 1: a spot where we can all talk, so definitely come

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Speaker 1: and join us in there. And if you did enjoy

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Speaker 1: the episode, we'd love if you could share it on

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Speaker 1: your Instant story as always and tag us so we

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00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 1: can reshare it. Oh, there's been some such cute dogs

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Yeah, maybe people can put

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Speaker 1: their cute cats in there as well. We're a cat

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Speaker 1: family here, except your dog that you're playing with right now.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you for joining us and we look

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Speaker 1: forward to being in your years on Thursday,