1 00:00:10,669 --> 00:00:14,869 Speaker 1: My hard podcasts, hear more kids podcasts, playlists, and listen 2 00:00:14,909 --> 00:00:16,468 Speaker 1: live on the Free I hard. 3 00:00:17,308 --> 00:00:19,308 Speaker 2: Talking about it woulds Louis throws. 4 00:00:19,709 --> 00:00:24,428 Speaker 3: Inside the Manisphere on Netflix is intense. 5 00:00:24,709 --> 00:00:25,828 Speaker 2: Yeah, to say the least. 6 00:00:25,869 --> 00:00:27,589 Speaker 3: If you don't know what the Manisphere is, you don't 7 00:00:27,589 --> 00:00:29,749 Speaker 3: know what this is about. Hopefully some of his audio 8 00:00:29,829 --> 00:00:33,428 Speaker 3: will give you an idea of just how intense these documentaries. 9 00:00:34,309 --> 00:00:36,869 Speaker 4: I coach boys, how to make money, Oh, this is 10 00:00:36,909 --> 00:00:37,549 Speaker 4: a nice spot. 11 00:00:37,589 --> 00:00:41,068 Speaker 1: How to be outside the system, how to be proper guys. 12 00:00:40,989 --> 00:00:46,869 Speaker 2: Shut up, irresistible to hordes of young fans. Fifteen is 13 00:00:46,869 --> 00:00:49,469 Speaker 2: probably like your main Democrats. Now, it isn't they hear 14 00:00:49,509 --> 00:00:53,908 Speaker 2: that contentlyfics acceptable? What am I doing? I'm doing it 15 00:00:53,949 --> 00:00:54,389 Speaker 2: for money. 16 00:00:54,549 --> 00:00:58,069 Speaker 4: I don't care about the morality of it. I'm not 17 00:00:58,149 --> 00:00:59,149 Speaker 4: living for other people. 18 00:00:59,149 --> 00:01:02,069 Speaker 2: I'm living for myself. Do you consider yourself a misogynist? 19 00:01:02,389 --> 00:01:04,828 Speaker 2: I love women and actually understand them. You think you 20 00:01:04,869 --> 00:01:05,869 Speaker 2: do it better than they do. 21 00:01:06,149 --> 00:01:10,109 Speaker 1: They want to go, they can lead them and dominate them. 22 00:01:10,469 --> 00:01:15,589 Speaker 3: God, yeah, so many issues, has so many issues. But look, 23 00:01:15,709 --> 00:01:18,549 Speaker 3: we both saw the documentary last night was and we've 24 00:01:18,549 --> 00:01:19,309 Speaker 3: got lots of thoughts. 25 00:01:19,429 --> 00:01:21,189 Speaker 2: But we thought it'd be really cool. 26 00:01:21,229 --> 00:01:22,909 Speaker 3: To get somebody on who actually knows what they're talking 27 00:01:22,909 --> 00:01:25,909 Speaker 3: about about this, because there's so many opinions and confronting 28 00:01:25,949 --> 00:01:28,869 Speaker 3: things to say about it. Stephen Roberts is a professor 29 00:01:28,909 --> 00:01:30,589 Speaker 3: of sociology at Monash University. 30 00:01:30,869 --> 00:01:32,989 Speaker 2: He also specialized. 31 00:01:32,429 --> 00:01:36,029 Speaker 3: In contemporary masculinity and transitioning from youth to young adulthood. 32 00:01:36,909 --> 00:01:39,349 Speaker 3: I just had a son. This whole thing terrifies me 33 00:01:40,309 --> 00:01:42,669 Speaker 3: as guys who have been young boys. I know how 34 00:01:42,669 --> 00:01:44,109 Speaker 3: impressionable I was. I know there are a lot of 35 00:01:44,109 --> 00:01:45,789 Speaker 3: people out there who are scared about this whole thing. 36 00:01:45,789 --> 00:01:49,189 Speaker 3: If you've seen adolescence really shows the extremes of how 37 00:01:49,189 --> 00:01:50,389 Speaker 3: far this can go as well. 38 00:01:50,509 --> 00:01:53,309 Speaker 1: You know we're impressionable, but during our school years we 39 00:01:53,309 --> 00:01:54,389 Speaker 1: didn't have social media. 40 00:01:54,749 --> 00:01:58,109 Speaker 2: Steven, Welcome to Will and Woody. Mate. First and foremost, 41 00:01:58,149 --> 00:01:59,469 Speaker 2: what did you think of the documentary? 42 00:01:59,989 --> 00:02:03,389 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on. First of all, the documentary 43 00:02:03,709 --> 00:02:06,549 Speaker 4: is I'm kind of split. There's a couple of ways 44 00:02:06,549 --> 00:02:08,509 Speaker 4: that this will land. So my personal view is that 45 00:02:08,549 --> 00:02:12,148 Speaker 4: it presented a whole bunch of material that parents and 46 00:02:12,309 --> 00:02:15,189 Speaker 4: young people and whoever the audience is basically will appreciate 47 00:02:15,228 --> 00:02:18,549 Speaker 4: because it will be shocking and scary and then there 48 00:02:18,549 --> 00:02:20,749 Speaker 4: are other ways in which I think it probably didn't 49 00:02:20,749 --> 00:02:21,429 Speaker 4: go far enough. 50 00:02:22,389 --> 00:02:25,629 Speaker 1: Yeah, can I My first thought these I don't know 51 00:02:25,709 --> 00:02:29,389 Speaker 1: what you call them, these menisphere influences that Louis Thereau 52 00:02:29,589 --> 00:02:32,149 Speaker 1: was spending some time with. I found all of their 53 00:02:32,149 --> 00:02:34,948 Speaker 1: stuff that they were saying so outrageous and so ridiculous 54 00:02:34,989 --> 00:02:37,948 Speaker 1: and so dumb. I just I felt like I was 55 00:02:38,029 --> 00:02:39,109 Speaker 1: laughing at them a lot. 56 00:02:39,189 --> 00:02:40,149 Speaker 2: But then Will and I. 57 00:02:40,149 --> 00:02:42,829 Speaker 1: Both comments on the fact that the scary part is 58 00:02:42,869 --> 00:02:46,309 Speaker 1: that then you see that they've got millions of people 59 00:02:46,429 --> 00:02:49,589 Speaker 1: who worship these guys and follow everything they say. 60 00:02:50,269 --> 00:02:51,989 Speaker 2: How is that happening, Stephen? 61 00:02:51,989 --> 00:02:54,269 Speaker 1: Because from what I was seeing, I just I can't 62 00:02:54,269 --> 00:02:56,429 Speaker 1: believe anyone would take what they say seriously. 63 00:02:56,749 --> 00:02:58,949 Speaker 4: Yeah, you think that the average person watches that and 64 00:02:59,069 --> 00:02:59,829 Speaker 4: is at least. 65 00:02:59,749 --> 00:03:02,389 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, exactly. 66 00:03:02,469 --> 00:03:06,469 Speaker 4: But the interesting thing about this whole manisphere thing is 67 00:03:06,509 --> 00:03:09,389 Speaker 4: that it operates on this outrage economy that is kind 68 00:03:09,429 --> 00:03:11,749 Speaker 4: of driven by the way the algorithms work as well. 69 00:03:11,789 --> 00:03:13,989 Speaker 4: So the more outrageous you are, the more clicks you'll get, 70 00:03:14,029 --> 00:03:16,189 Speaker 4: the more horror you know, when we horror over our 71 00:03:16,269 --> 00:03:18,229 Speaker 4: videos on instrument and so on, that kind of stuff 72 00:03:18,349 --> 00:03:20,869 Speaker 4: drives this economy, So that's a large work of how 73 00:03:20,909 --> 00:03:23,388 Speaker 4: they make their money. So yeah, you know, it's a 74 00:03:23,629 --> 00:03:27,629 Speaker 4: it's an attention economy and outrage economy. There's crazy nonsense 75 00:03:27,669 --> 00:03:29,989 Speaker 4: date what seems to us like nonsense, but it's actually 76 00:03:29,989 --> 00:03:33,709 Speaker 4: deeply problematic, misogynistic, racist, all of these things. Yeah, it 77 00:03:33,909 --> 00:03:36,189 Speaker 4: drives engagement, that's the problem. 78 00:03:36,229 --> 00:03:40,229 Speaker 3: How do we get here? Like how like how is 79 00:03:40,269 --> 00:03:43,949 Speaker 3: there a mena sphere? How is this a phenomenon? Yeah? 80 00:03:43,989 --> 00:03:46,669 Speaker 4: Look like the average again, the average person that's not 81 00:03:46,749 --> 00:03:48,989 Speaker 4: like me and embedded in this stuff all day every 82 00:03:49,029 --> 00:03:51,549 Speaker 4: day from my living probably thinks that it popped out 83 00:03:51,589 --> 00:03:53,989 Speaker 4: of nowhere, but that's not actually the case. What it's 84 00:03:54,029 --> 00:03:56,989 Speaker 4: connected to is there like a long history of Men's 85 00:03:57,029 --> 00:04:00,269 Speaker 4: Rights Association kind of anti feminist networks from the nineteen 86 00:04:00,269 --> 00:04:02,909 Speaker 4: eighties and nineteen nineties, and then for those of I 87 00:04:02,909 --> 00:04:04,429 Speaker 4: don't know if the viewers are going to be old enough, 88 00:04:04,469 --> 00:04:06,829 Speaker 4: but to remember something called the blogger sphere, which was 89 00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:09,829 Speaker 4: this kind of first Internet. It's of these guys where 90 00:04:09,829 --> 00:04:12,269 Speaker 4: they would come and write about their complaints and their grievances. 91 00:04:12,549 --> 00:04:14,709 Speaker 4: And then we had the transformation to what we've got 92 00:04:14,709 --> 00:04:16,988 Speaker 4: now like a more kind of Internet. Two point zero. 93 00:04:16,988 --> 00:04:18,789 Speaker 4: Will we interact with the internet, and we've got social 94 00:04:18,789 --> 00:04:22,389 Speaker 4: media and so on, which kind of promotes and saturates 95 00:04:22,469 --> 00:04:26,909 Speaker 4: us with this material. So it's basically long standing grievances 96 00:04:27,069 --> 00:04:29,229 Speaker 4: ideas that women have gone too far in terms of 97 00:04:29,229 --> 00:04:32,389 Speaker 4: equality and all this kind of nonsense, and it drives 98 00:04:32,429 --> 00:04:35,909 Speaker 4: this kind of like an effort to restore traditional manhood, 99 00:04:35,949 --> 00:04:37,749 Speaker 4: I guess is how they describe. 100 00:04:38,029 --> 00:04:40,589 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that, but do you know why they were 101 00:04:40,629 --> 00:04:41,349 Speaker 2: talking about women? 102 00:04:41,469 --> 00:04:43,669 Speaker 3: And but the scary thing was that they were in 103 00:04:43,709 --> 00:04:47,349 Speaker 3: relationships where these women were like towing the line. 104 00:04:47,589 --> 00:04:49,909 Speaker 4: It's very hard to tell someone in a relationship that 105 00:04:49,949 --> 00:04:53,189 Speaker 4: they are oppressed. But the viewer, and I'm sure you 106 00:04:53,269 --> 00:04:55,349 Speaker 4: guys were thinking the same. You're watching the wives or 107 00:04:55,389 --> 00:04:57,829 Speaker 4: partners of some of these people be referred to as 108 00:04:57,909 --> 00:05:01,949 Speaker 4: my as my washing machine. This stuff about one way 109 00:05:01,988 --> 00:05:03,949 Speaker 4: monogamy and how she doesn't really want a job, she 110 00:05:03,949 --> 00:05:05,749 Speaker 4: doesn't want to be with other men, she just needs me, 111 00:05:06,109 --> 00:05:08,389 Speaker 4: And they're kind of cowering down to that a little 112 00:05:08,389 --> 00:05:11,749 Speaker 4: bit because essentially there's a financial transaction, like there's there's 113 00:05:11,749 --> 00:05:14,748 Speaker 4: something there's some safety there, but there's also some emotional 114 00:05:14,829 --> 00:05:15,909 Speaker 4: damage being done as well. 115 00:05:15,949 --> 00:05:18,829 Speaker 1: It was that terrifying part where Louis speaks to the 116 00:05:18,909 --> 00:05:22,629 Speaker 1: partner of one of these influencers a huge podcast, and 117 00:05:22,709 --> 00:05:24,709 Speaker 1: he says to her he thinks, in a year's time 118 00:05:24,749 --> 00:05:26,389 Speaker 1: you're going to be in an open relationship and he's 119 00:05:26,389 --> 00:05:27,428 Speaker 1: going to have other wives. 120 00:05:27,749 --> 00:05:29,949 Speaker 2: And you just see her face. Are you sure you're 121 00:05:29,949 --> 00:05:30,669 Speaker 2: comfortable with that? 122 00:05:30,749 --> 00:05:32,629 Speaker 1: And then the guys get in furious and then from 123 00:05:32,629 --> 00:05:34,589 Speaker 1: that point on it's like you can't talk to her. 124 00:05:36,269 --> 00:05:38,229 Speaker 2: But it was great at the end of the documentary she. 125 00:05:38,229 --> 00:05:39,868 Speaker 1: Broke up with him, and it was almost was like 126 00:05:39,909 --> 00:05:41,549 Speaker 1: there was like a it was nice to have just 127 00:05:41,669 --> 00:05:43,749 Speaker 1: some joy in this where it was like there was 128 00:05:43,789 --> 00:05:46,189 Speaker 1: a picture of her rollerblading, what. 129 00:05:46,069 --> 00:05:47,748 Speaker 2: Can we get her doing with she looks most free. 130 00:05:49,149 --> 00:05:51,029 Speaker 3: I think all this kid kind of kicked off for 131 00:05:51,029 --> 00:05:52,749 Speaker 3: a lot of people watching adolescents, and we kind of 132 00:05:52,749 --> 00:05:54,989 Speaker 3: saw the really ugly side of this, which is probably 133 00:05:54,988 --> 00:05:58,709 Speaker 3: the worst nightmare I think Steven, which is being so 134 00:05:58,909 --> 00:06:03,388 Speaker 3: out of touch with how you shape your your son 135 00:06:03,749 --> 00:06:07,789 Speaker 3: that he ends up killing someone because of something outrageous 136 00:06:07,789 --> 00:06:12,229 Speaker 3: that he believes that you've had no control over. I 137 00:06:12,349 --> 00:06:14,429 Speaker 3: just had a little boy like six weeks ago, and 138 00:06:14,469 --> 00:06:16,469 Speaker 3: I actually said beforehand, before having. 139 00:06:16,269 --> 00:06:16,789 Speaker 2: A little boy. 140 00:06:16,949 --> 00:06:19,269 Speaker 3: I'm scared of having a little boy because I know 141 00:06:19,309 --> 00:06:21,509 Speaker 3: what it's like being a guy, and it's like I 142 00:06:21,549 --> 00:06:24,429 Speaker 3: feel more acutely a sense of his pain and what 143 00:06:24,469 --> 00:06:27,469 Speaker 3: he's going to suffer. And then watching this, I was like, 144 00:06:27,789 --> 00:06:30,189 Speaker 3: oh shit, I actually have no idea what he's going 145 00:06:30,229 --> 00:06:31,749 Speaker 3: to go through. Like what he's going to go through 146 00:06:31,869 --> 00:06:34,549 Speaker 3: is like ten times what I had to go through 147 00:06:34,949 --> 00:06:36,829 Speaker 3: as a little boy, growing into a man and trying 148 00:06:36,869 --> 00:06:38,229 Speaker 3: to figure out my place in the world and all 149 00:06:38,269 --> 00:06:40,469 Speaker 3: that sort of stuff when I've got dickheads like this 150 00:06:41,069 --> 00:06:43,629 Speaker 3: saying that it's okay to be like that and succeeding that. 151 00:06:43,669 --> 00:06:45,789 Speaker 3: We spoke just of all the song about the fact 152 00:06:45,829 --> 00:06:48,309 Speaker 3: that there was teenagers walking up to this guy in 153 00:06:48,309 --> 00:06:49,669 Speaker 3: the Louis Throudocco saying. 154 00:06:49,509 --> 00:06:52,029 Speaker 2: That you are my idol, you are my you. 155 00:06:52,109 --> 00:06:54,749 Speaker 3: I have modeled myself around you, and I can't think 156 00:06:54,789 --> 00:06:57,789 Speaker 3: of a more despicable representation of what I think a 157 00:06:57,829 --> 00:06:59,988 Speaker 3: man should be than the guy in that Docco. It 158 00:07:00,109 --> 00:07:02,909 Speaker 3: really scared me, So I want to I want to 159 00:07:02,949 --> 00:07:06,989 Speaker 3: ask you, how do we strike a balance between still 160 00:07:07,029 --> 00:07:11,189 Speaker 3: calling out toxic masculinity, which I think is so important 161 00:07:11,269 --> 00:07:13,429 Speaker 3: an onguming thing I mean, Jesus, is not like we're 162 00:07:13,429 --> 00:07:15,989 Speaker 3: winning that anyway. Trump's in judge and on the other 163 00:07:16,069 --> 00:07:19,189 Speaker 3: side of it, nurturing little boys so they don't feel 164 00:07:19,229 --> 00:07:20,869 Speaker 3: like they're painted with that brush. 165 00:07:21,629 --> 00:07:23,869 Speaker 4: It's a really tricky question. I think one of the 166 00:07:23,909 --> 00:07:25,669 Speaker 4: things I just want to quickly get to. So I 167 00:07:25,669 --> 00:07:28,909 Speaker 4: think what's really important is that it's unlikely that our 168 00:07:28,949 --> 00:07:30,709 Speaker 4: boys are going to go up and kill someone like that. 169 00:07:30,749 --> 00:07:34,149 Speaker 4: You mentioned the Adolescence TV show, right, and that that 170 00:07:34,429 --> 00:07:37,869 Speaker 4: prompted us all to be terrified of what could happen. 171 00:07:37,989 --> 00:07:41,589 Speaker 4: But what's really scary about the Manisphere is that they 172 00:07:41,709 --> 00:07:44,829 Speaker 4: present and kind of promote a type of masculinity that 173 00:07:45,109 --> 00:07:47,589 Speaker 4: very well could happen. So it's not going to be everyone. 174 00:07:47,629 --> 00:07:50,989 Speaker 4: But it's so seductive, right because it promises power, promises 175 00:07:51,029 --> 00:07:53,909 Speaker 4: well it starts from a position of shaming our boys 176 00:07:53,949 --> 00:07:56,109 Speaker 4: as well, which is another terrifying thing. 177 00:07:56,229 --> 00:07:57,069 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 178 00:07:57,709 --> 00:08:01,429 Speaker 3: You're worthless, your worthless, worthless, You've got nothing. 179 00:08:01,149 --> 00:08:02,469 Speaker 2: You need to work for everything. 180 00:08:02,789 --> 00:08:05,709 Speaker 1: You want this though, if you want this and my Lamborghini, 181 00:08:06,949 --> 00:08:14,429 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, right, and showing pictures of their bank account 182 00:08:15,109 --> 00:08:15,909 Speaker 1: look how much money? 183 00:08:16,789 --> 00:08:17,069 Speaker 2: Sorry? 184 00:08:17,109 --> 00:08:17,309 Speaker 1: Go on? 185 00:08:17,909 --> 00:08:20,269 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, and that's a model of exploitation. 186 00:08:20,349 --> 00:08:21,869 Speaker 4: So that's what our boys are going to be exposed 187 00:08:21,869 --> 00:08:23,309 Speaker 4: to as well. But they might end up just being 188 00:08:23,349 --> 00:08:25,509 Speaker 4: piece of ship misogynists. They might end up having these 189 00:08:25,549 --> 00:08:28,589 Speaker 4: types of horrible standards where they treat women in their 190 00:08:28,589 --> 00:08:32,389 Speaker 4: lives as objects and you know, and much much worse. 191 00:08:32,389 --> 00:08:34,268 Speaker 4: And that's that's really scary for me. I want to 192 00:08:34,269 --> 00:08:37,909 Speaker 4: bring up a boy who is deeply respectful and humane, 193 00:08:37,909 --> 00:08:40,268 Speaker 4: and so to your point, like, how do we arrive 194 00:08:40,309 --> 00:08:43,548 Speaker 4: at this? Teaching our kids to critically engage with that 195 00:08:43,588 --> 00:08:45,949 Speaker 4: type of material is a really hard thing, but that's 196 00:08:45,988 --> 00:08:48,189 Speaker 4: basically what we've got to start from, because you're right, 197 00:08:48,189 --> 00:08:50,309 Speaker 4: we're living this broader landscape where you've got people like 198 00:08:50,388 --> 00:08:53,189 Speaker 4: Trump effectively ruling the world, you know, rule of the 199 00:08:53,189 --> 00:08:55,348 Speaker 4: Free World or whatever he wants to call himself, and 200 00:08:55,388 --> 00:08:57,628 Speaker 4: his Department of War and the kind of strong man 201 00:08:57,748 --> 00:09:00,508 Speaker 4: politics and his terrible things that he says about women 202 00:09:00,828 --> 00:09:04,228 Speaker 4: almost on a weekly or monthly basis, those kind of 203 00:09:04,309 --> 00:09:06,388 Speaker 4: role models, and then the manosphere as well. In this 204 00:09:06,549 --> 00:09:09,669 Speaker 4: broader kind of terrible misogyny stick kind of environment that 205 00:09:09,708 --> 00:09:11,828 Speaker 4: we often live in, we're trying to bring up our 206 00:09:11,868 --> 00:09:14,908 Speaker 4: boys to critically engage with that and push it away. 207 00:09:14,949 --> 00:09:18,269 Speaker 4: But it's kind of like a tsunami that they're networth 208 00:09:18,348 --> 00:09:20,868 Speaker 4: so and I think that's what the doco really shows, 209 00:09:20,868 --> 00:09:23,069 Speaker 4: like it's hard, they're not They're not going to be 210 00:09:23,108 --> 00:09:24,668 Speaker 4: able to avoid it. I think that's where we need 211 00:09:24,708 --> 00:09:26,628 Speaker 4: to land r. Yes, we've got the social media ban 212 00:09:26,868 --> 00:09:29,109 Speaker 4: or delay as it's called here for under sixteens, but 213 00:09:29,468 --> 00:09:32,708 Speaker 4: my boys seven years old and he doesn't have social media, 214 00:09:32,748 --> 00:09:34,468 Speaker 4: but he still comes home and says some of the 215 00:09:34,549 --> 00:09:36,389 Speaker 4: key words that you will associate with. 216 00:09:37,268 --> 00:09:39,509 Speaker 3: Of course, of course, because if one of them's got it, 217 00:09:39,549 --> 00:09:40,668 Speaker 3: they're all talking like. 218 00:09:40,669 --> 00:09:43,708 Speaker 1: Yeah, kids, what do you say, Stephen when when you 219 00:09:43,789 --> 00:09:45,188 Speaker 1: hear one of these phrases? 220 00:09:45,309 --> 00:09:47,148 Speaker 2: Or what are those words and phrases? 221 00:09:47,149 --> 00:09:48,988 Speaker 4: By the way, So you know, because he's only little, 222 00:09:49,029 --> 00:09:50,789 Speaker 4: it's not it's not the worst things you've ever heard, 223 00:09:50,789 --> 00:09:53,069 Speaker 4: but it's like alpha and sigma and he's got no 224 00:09:53,149 --> 00:09:55,668 Speaker 4: idea what any of that stuff really means. He has 225 00:09:55,909 --> 00:09:58,468 Speaker 4: he has out in my poor boy here he has 226 00:09:59,029 --> 00:10:02,109 Speaker 4: recently started to speak in language around who is the 227 00:10:02,149 --> 00:10:06,308 Speaker 4: boss in the home and kind of untangle that a 228 00:10:06,309 --> 00:10:11,309 Speaker 4: little bit. And again he's completely innocent, but he's landed 229 00:10:11,309 --> 00:10:13,909 Speaker 4: on this you know, like me and Daddy at the boss, 230 00:10:13,949 --> 00:10:19,269 Speaker 4: because he's careful, careful, unraveling you get to it's because 231 00:10:19,309 --> 00:10:20,708 Speaker 4: he thinks men have to be. 232 00:10:23,549 --> 00:10:26,228 Speaker 2: He's leaving at a school in Australia right now. 233 00:10:26,549 --> 00:10:28,669 Speaker 4: He's learning it from his peers who are learning it 234 00:10:28,708 --> 00:10:32,629 Speaker 4: from these you know, these people on the manisphere. Yeah, 235 00:10:32,669 --> 00:10:33,909 Speaker 4: it's very oh. 236 00:10:33,868 --> 00:10:37,309 Speaker 2: Wow, okay, thank god. All right, Well, all girls school 237 00:10:37,309 --> 00:10:37,868 Speaker 2: for my boy? 238 00:10:37,909 --> 00:10:44,788 Speaker 1: Then what Achilles did, Achilles did, didn't didn't All that 239 00:10:44,868 --> 00:10:47,429 Speaker 1: was a girl and hard as a girl do that. 240 00:10:48,069 --> 00:10:50,389 Speaker 2: There's no menisphere here. There's a reference to antiquity for Christ. 241 00:10:52,988 --> 00:10:56,108 Speaker 2: Listen to these cultured, good hearted men. Wow. 242 00:10:56,309 --> 00:10:58,549 Speaker 3: Okay, Steve and I can talk to you forever, and 243 00:10:58,588 --> 00:11:00,708 Speaker 3: maybe I will book an appointment for me and my 244 00:11:00,868 --> 00:11:02,429 Speaker 3: son at some stage. 245 00:11:02,468 --> 00:11:05,749 Speaker 2: But that's just a lot. That's really scary. Thanks so much, Steven, 246 00:11:05,789 --> 00:11:07,109 Speaker 2: it's been a pleasure to meet you. 247 00:11:07,549 --> 00:11:08,429 Speaker 4: Thanks you to you guys. 248 00:11:08,508 --> 00:11:10,269 Speaker 2: If you guys having a great drive home, it's a kiss.