1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160
Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It's not afraid to say

2
00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,680
Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

3
00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,560
Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, so we often don't have

4
00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,680
Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

5
00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,360
Speaker 1: all things reality TV influences entertainment and issues facing with

6
00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,799
Speaker 1: it that is so fat.

7
00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:24,280
Speaker 2: Thank you.

8
00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,760
Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. Now today it's

9
00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,600
Speaker 1: just Sophie and I as Amy is finishing off some

10
00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,080
Speaker 1: work that needs to get done asap, so we've given

11
00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,839
Speaker 1: her the day off and there's no better chance than

12
00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,400
Speaker 1: to critique her Halloween party that was on the weekend.

13
00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,400
Speaker 1: I think she did a good job of the decorations.

14
00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't think her partner Dale is to impress because

15
00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,200
Speaker 1: now he's got to store ten ton of Halloween decorations.

16
00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,920
Speaker 1: But it did look insane. Yeah, I'd give her a

17
00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,879
Speaker 1: ten out of ten for decorations. Probably five out of

18
00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,720
Speaker 1: ten in terms of service of food. When we got there,

19
00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,560
Speaker 1: the food wasn't hot, but when it was heated up,

20
00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,760
Speaker 1: it was very nice. This will be a test if

21
00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,479
Speaker 1: Amy actually listens to the podcast, because sometimes she doesn't

22
00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,280
Speaker 1: listen when she's not involved. Now, Kay, I felt a

23
00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,920
Speaker 1: bit sorry for you because, for those who haven't seen

24
00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,000
Speaker 1: our instagram real you dressed up as a pregnant police

25
00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,480
Speaker 1: officer from Money Heist and yeah, Professor Sierra no sorry,

26
00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,360
Speaker 1: Inspector Sierra and Amy posted these photos to Facebook and

27
00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,399
Speaker 1: Instagram with no clarification that you were in fact not pregnant.

28
00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,319
Speaker 1: So you copped a couple of dms and messages. Yeah. So,

29
00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,920
Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen the picture, I created a

30
00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,880
Speaker 1: I would say, a very late in pregnancy bump, like

31
00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,640
Speaker 1: a nine month pregnancy bump, just about to pop with

32
00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,280
Speaker 1: some jumpers. And I copped a message from someone I

33
00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,000
Speaker 1: used to work with saying, is there something that you're

34
00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,600
Speaker 1: not telling me? And I mean, I thought it was

35
00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,600
Speaker 1: quite obvious because the bump, baby bump was quite squishy.

36
00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,880
Speaker 1: It was lumpy as well. Lumpy, sorry, lumpy, here's the

37
00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,080
Speaker 1: word I was looking for. Also, there were a lot

38
00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,760
Speaker 1: of people being like, oh, the engagement makes sense now.

39
00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,160
Speaker 1: It was a bit of fency. Ye oh, I thought

40
00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,240
Speaker 1: it was funny. It was. It was all in good humor.

41
00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,800
Speaker 1: I then had to post a reference shot because I mean,

42
00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,840
Speaker 1: I suppose I did choose such an obscure person to

43
00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,800
Speaker 1: dress up for Halloween. Brandon was really impressed because someone

44
00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,639
Speaker 1: on Instagram, on our outspoken account commented that they that

45
00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,320
Speaker 1: he was Nathan Scott and that they liked his costume.

46
00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,359
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, someone noticed. Did he let

47
00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,280
Speaker 1: his mum know? Because she put so much offend too

48
00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,000
Speaker 1: those shorts? Like he could have worn white shorts and

49
00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,919
Speaker 1: no one would have ever noticed the special one Tree

50
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:37,440
Speaker 1: Hill School logo whatever it was. Oh, clearly someone did

51
00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,680
Speaker 1: notice the commitment there. Nah, it was. It was so

52
00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,880
Speaker 1: much fun. Amy did a very good job organizing it.

53
00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,120
Speaker 1: I think she is now going to have to be

54
00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,280
Speaker 1: holding annual Halloween parties. I'm literally so excited for this

55
00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,960
Speaker 1: weekend because we are going down to Paul Elliott. I

56
00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,680
Speaker 1: surprised Brandon because it was his birthday last Saturday, so

57
00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,840
Speaker 1: I surprised him with a group birthday trip. Surprise. All

58
00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,440
Speaker 1: of Sophie's family are coming on a mering birthday. I'm

59
00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,720
Speaker 1: so excited because we managed to get this really cool

60
00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,919
Speaker 1: pet friendly accommodation, which you know, usually you think pet friendly.

61
00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,919
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a bit average, but it's a really

62
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,040
Speaker 1: nice place. Oh, I'm so excited for this trip. It's

63
00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,120
Speaker 1: weird though I don't think I've ever stayed in Port Elliott.

64
00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,280
Speaker 1: Our family used to have a unit at Goower, so

65
00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,919
Speaker 1: it will be weird. We can probably get in front

66
00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,560
Speaker 1: of the queue in the line for the port Elliott Bakery.

67
00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,440
Speaker 1: Anyone from South Australia will know that that's I think

68
00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,600
Speaker 1: the best bakery in the state. I did google things

69
00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,480
Speaker 1: to do in port Elliott and there was quite a

70
00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,200
Speaker 1: short list of things to do. But if people have

71
00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,400
Speaker 1: any good recommendations of restaurants or cafes to go to,

72
00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,120
Speaker 1: it be much appreciated. Slide into our DMS.

73
00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,840
Speaker 3: Shotgun this room, chuck overbed, Well, where am I going

74
00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:43,320
Speaker 3: to sleep?

75
00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:43,560
Speaker 1: Then?

76
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,720
Speaker 3: Not really much prop them. What's that? Is that a bath?

77
00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,800
Speaker 1: Of course, it's not the bar of your fucking idiot.

78
00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,120
Speaker 1: There's the bath there. That's the kid's toilet.

79
00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:52,280
Speaker 2: Is it?

80
00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:52,600
Speaker 1: Yes?

81
00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,760
Speaker 3: Why has it got a plug o when I tapped in?

82
00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,040
Speaker 1: Because it's for checking your kids shit before you flush it.

83
00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,080
Speaker 1: Talia Scaines milk Bung has gone viral for all the

84
00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,320
Speaker 1: wrong reasons. The Gold Coast influencer was called out for

85
00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,440
Speaker 1: casual racism after she and her housemates mocked Asian food

86
00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,760
Speaker 1: during a film taste test. Now kate what happened. So

87
00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,960
Speaker 1: on Monday, Talia shared some Instagram stories of her and

88
00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,520
Speaker 1: her housemate Emily Hern shopping at an Asian soupermarket. So

89
00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,320
Speaker 1: they were there to get some food for a mook

90
00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,040
Speaker 1: Bunk video for Talia's YouTube channel. Now, from the get go,

91
00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,560
Speaker 1: you could tell the girls were picking out food they

92
00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,120
Speaker 1: knew that they would react badly to On camera. Emily

93
00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,960
Speaker 1: said that she was scared, while Talia professed that there

94
00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,520
Speaker 1: were a lot of cool things in the store. So

95
00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,320
Speaker 1: later on, the girl shared their reaction to tasting some

96
00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,520
Speaker 1: dried fish. Now they said that the food stunk and

97
00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,000
Speaker 1: tasted like a sweaty sock. They also proceeded to spit

98
00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,000
Speaker 1: it out on camera, to the point where you could

99
00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,200
Speaker 1: actually see the bits of food and spit coming out

100
00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,400
Speaker 1: onto the table. Let's throw to the clip. Guys, am

101
00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,719
Speaker 1: I a filming a room Asian tooth market trying all

102
00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,240
Speaker 1: of their different items. It's so much cool stuff off,

103
00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,000
Speaker 1: I know, like, actually there's this fish snack thing.

104
00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,440
Speaker 2: I don't even know that. I'm a little bit scared,

105
00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,559
Speaker 2: but I'm open to It's like, honestly, a sweaty sock

106
00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,680
Speaker 2: grow worse than a sweaty sock.

107
00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so we tried a lot of the food, and

108
00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:14,920
Speaker 1: a lot.

109
00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:15,960
Speaker 2: Of it is actually kind of nice.

110
00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,000
Speaker 1: This is jump wrong fish. It smells put my.

111
00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:28,880
Speaker 2: Face in a fish. It's that's not you can have it.

112
00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,080
Speaker 1: You have to have a little nibble. Oh guys, I'm

113
00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:32,680
Speaker 1: not gonna eat this.

114
00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,000
Speaker 2: Wholes have a corner. I don't even eat. Okay, ready,

115
00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:43,200
Speaker 2: I feel scared to shaky. I can see it's rick

116
00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:55,320
Speaker 2: caage or something fish doesn't have that I can't Okay,

117
00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,320
Speaker 2: let's take the vision now.

118
00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,080
Speaker 1: This video was very uncomfortable and awkward to watch, and

119
00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,800
Speaker 1: rightly so, it has caused a lot of backclash and

120
00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,679
Speaker 1: anti racism advocate Alissa Hoe immediately called out the racist

121
00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,000
Speaker 1: behavior after being directed to it by her followers. Kate.

122
00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,440
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, can you tell us a

123
00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,039
Speaker 1: little bit about Alissa Well? Alyssa is a Vietnamese Australian who,

124
00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,400
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, is an anti racism advocate. She's also

125
00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,080
Speaker 1: a writer and founder of Melbourne's women's group My Go

126
00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,080
Speaker 1: To Gal, as well as event styling company Pretty Little

127
00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,920
Speaker 1: Pink Book, and amongst all of that, she is also

128
00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,799
Speaker 1: a diversity and Inclusion advisor for Michelle Battersby's new project

129
00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,200
Speaker 1: sun Room, which is an app where women and non

130
00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,400
Speaker 1: binary creators make money now. Alissa currently has twenty one

131
00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,640
Speaker 1: point seven thousand followers on Instagram, and for those who

132
00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,919
Speaker 1: aren't following her, I would highly recommend doing so now. So,

133
00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,000
Speaker 1: if Alyssa has shared some very insightful posts about Talia's video,

134
00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,800
Speaker 1: can you give us a rundown of what she said? So?

135
00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,320
Speaker 1: Alissa shared a post on Monday essentially explaining why what

136
00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,560
Speaker 1: Talia did was racist. She also called on everyone to

137
00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,239
Speaker 1: help speak up for the Asian community, as the burdens

138
00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,240
Speaker 1: shouldn't keep falling on them to exhaust their education and

139
00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,320
Speaker 1: emotional labor. Alisa said, I know how to play out.

140
00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,880
Speaker 1: It'll either be oh my god, I didn't mean to offend.

141
00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,320
Speaker 1: I love Asian food, people, culture, or I'll be gas

142
00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,200
Speaker 1: lit or ignored, which I'm just so exhausted from. The

143
00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,840
Speaker 1: reason things like this are damaging and fall under casual

144
00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,160
Speaker 1: racism is because Asian food is typically seen as dirty

145
00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,080
Speaker 1: and gross. Intentionally picking up an item that they knew

146
00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,640
Speaker 1: perhaps wouldn't sit well with their taste buds and then

147
00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,760
Speaker 1: filming themselves being disgusted by and carrying on about it,

148
00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,880
Speaker 1: especially in the name of entertainment, plays into that with

149
00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,040
Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen related racism against Asians and the foods

150
00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,320
Speaker 1: we eat or are roomen to eat, this was a

151
00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,920
Speaker 1: poor choice. Alica then went on to explain in further

152
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,920
Speaker 1: posts that she understands people may not like certain foods

153
00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,840
Speaker 1: from different cultures, but said there's a respectful way to

154
00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,720
Speaker 1: communicate that, and she pointed out that Talia could have

155
00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,120
Speaker 1: simply highlighted Asian food she liked rather than the food

156
00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,320
Speaker 1: that she didn't like. I really have to agree with

157
00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,080
Speaker 1: that because I do think that they deliberately picked out

158
00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,280
Speaker 1: food that they wouldn't enjoy so that they could give

159
00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,000
Speaker 1: a negative reaction to it, because I think that gets

160
00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,760
Speaker 1: more clips. Yeah, I definitely think they thought it would

161
00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,200
Speaker 1: be more entertaining. But it's interesting when you do look

162
00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,600
Speaker 1: at some of the big YouTubers who do food reaction

163
00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,560
Speaker 1: videos quite regularly, they do show different shades of gray throughout,

164
00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,160
Speaker 1: and they show food that they've been pleasantly surprised by,

165
00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,760
Speaker 1: all food that they just absolutely love. So I think

166
00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,760
Speaker 1: that they did need to show a range of different

167
00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,600
Speaker 1: reactions to this food now, Kate, what has the reaction

168
00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,760
Speaker 1: been like to Alyssa's post. Well, many people have shared

169
00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,480
Speaker 1: Alyssa's post, including Clementine Ford, who wrote, honestly, influences are

170
00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,600
Speaker 1: a goddamn tumor. This is Tarlia Scaines. By the way,

171
00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,080
Speaker 1: she has six hundred thousand followers plus a YouTube channel,

172
00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,000
Speaker 1: and this is still in her stories. It's rank. The

173
00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,839
Speaker 1: word rain really cracked me up because I feel like

174
00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,800
Speaker 1: I haven't heard it since U eight. So many members

175
00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,880
Speaker 1: of the Asian community praised Alissa for sharing her post.

176
00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,000
Speaker 1: One wrote, I can relate to this. Mum sometimes packed

177
00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,120
Speaker 1: Indian sweets after a prayer and I was teased. I

178
00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,800
Speaker 1: felt so much shame and embarrassment at my very white school.

179
00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,480
Speaker 1: Another commenter wrote, as a Sri Lankan, I was exactly

180
00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,360
Speaker 1: the same growing up. I'm thirty seven years old, and

181
00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,520
Speaker 1: it's only in the last few years I've started to

182
00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,240
Speaker 1: be outwardly proud of my culture. I used to hate

183
00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,040
Speaker 1: everything about my family growing up because of exactly these

184
00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,080
Speaker 1: types of videos and reactions to our food and spices

185
00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,920
Speaker 1: from other Anglo kids. Thanks so much for calling this out.

186
00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,920
Speaker 1: I found this comment from another person very interesting. They wrote,

187
00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,280
Speaker 1: there is such a deep history behind the food and

188
00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,120
Speaker 1: Asian culture, often painful and tragic. I grew up eating

189
00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,600
Speaker 1: dried fish and I still eat it. This was all

190
00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,720
Speaker 1: my parents could afford to eat during the Khmer Rouge regime.

191
00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,120
Speaker 1: And after after reading these posts, I do think one

192
00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,360
Speaker 1: good thing to come from this incident is it's created

193
00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,160
Speaker 1: a chance to have a conversation because growing up Anglo Saxon,

194
00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,719
Speaker 1: I never really knew that this was a problem, and

195
00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,479
Speaker 1: it's really highlighted to mean educated to me how offensive

196
00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,400
Speaker 1: a video like this is. And I really appreciate the

197
00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,840
Speaker 1: people that have shared their stories with this type of

198
00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,200
Speaker 1: food racism, and I'm glad that it's given them a

199
00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,240
Speaker 1: chance to feel validated in the feelings that they've had

200
00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,200
Speaker 1: during childhood and now. Yeah, and I do think it

201
00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,679
Speaker 1: is really important to point out the timing of Talia's

202
00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,640
Speaker 1: video in relation to what's going on in the Asian community.

203
00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,160
Speaker 1: So since the pandemic, there has been a rise in

204
00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,360
Speaker 1: Asian hate crimes. There's also been an increase in jokes

205
00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,280
Speaker 1: about Asians eating bats along with dogs and cats. And

206
00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,000
Speaker 1: it was only a month ago the former Bachelorette and

207
00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,080
Speaker 1: Channel seven journalist Georgia Love was called out for sharing

208
00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,200
Speaker 1: a racist video inferring that a Chinese restaurant was serving

209
00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,839
Speaker 1: cat on the menu. Now, what these types of posts

210
00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,640
Speaker 1: from Georgia Love and Talia Scaines do is encourage people

211
00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,600
Speaker 1: to view Asians and what they're eating as disgusting. So

212
00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,280
Speaker 1: for Talia and a housemate to deliberately go down to

213
00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,080
Speaker 1: an Asian soupermarket and pick out food that they know

214
00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,280
Speaker 1: that they won't like and deliberately will react badly to

215
00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,640
Speaker 1: on camera, I just find it so tone deaf and

216
00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,240
Speaker 1: I can only begin to imagine how offensive it would

217
00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,480
Speaker 1: be as an Asian person to see an influencer clickbait

218
00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,840
Speaker 1: this type of video and try and get views by

219
00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,800
Speaker 1: perpetuating this racist view that Asian food and intern Asians

220
00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,880
Speaker 1: are discussing. And I just expected a lot more from Talia.

221
00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,400
Speaker 1: Similarly to Georgia Love, I mean, she's studied law, she's

222
00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,559
Speaker 1: a very intelligent girl, and I just don't know how

223
00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,360
Speaker 1: she couldn't see that this video was completely off and offensive. Well,

224
00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,120
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of white privilege going on. Now.

225
00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,760
Speaker 1: Tarlia did come out and make an apology and she

226
00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,720
Speaker 1: shared an aesthetic sort of shot of her couch overlooking

227
00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,560
Speaker 1: a view in her apartment and wrote, good morning. I

228
00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,600
Speaker 1: also wanted to apologize to anyone who was offended by

229
00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,440
Speaker 1: my stories yesterday. I absolutely hate fish, and everyone who

230
00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,080
Speaker 1: follows me is aware of that. I did not mean

231
00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,960
Speaker 1: to offend at all, and it was intended to be

232
00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,560
Speaker 1: super lighthearted. Just wanted to acknowledge that and apologize. Have

233
00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,920
Speaker 1: a lovely day now. Can I just say, for someone

234
00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,920
Speaker 1: who has followed Tarlia's gains for a few years now,

235
00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,880
Speaker 1: I no longer do because I had that influencer Klan

236
00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,680
Speaker 1: and got rid of them from my feed. But I

237
00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,600
Speaker 1: didn't know that she didn't like fish, and I don't

238
00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,959
Speaker 1: think the majority of her six hundred thousand followers would

239
00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,760
Speaker 1: just know that it's totally irrelevant whether she likes fish

240
00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,520
Speaker 1: or not. This apology lacked any feeling or empathy. The

241
00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,440
Speaker 1: way that she worded it. By saying I apologize to

242
00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,560
Speaker 1: anyone who was offended by my stories, she is putting

243
00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,959
Speaker 1: the blame on the person who is offended by almost

244
00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,440
Speaker 1: suggesting that there was no offense to be taken by

245
00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,680
Speaker 1: these stories. There was also no learning that she took

246
00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,880
Speaker 1: as well. She didn't say that she was, you know,

247
00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,000
Speaker 1: apologetic to the Asian community and that she would be

248
00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,960
Speaker 1: doing some research and a look into why it's offensive.

249
00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,200
Speaker 1: She clearly doesn't understand why it is offensive. Yeah, I

250
00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,720
Speaker 1: don't think she took ownership of what she said at all.

251
00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,560
Speaker 1: She brushed it off by saying, oh, everyone knows that

252
00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't like fish, and she never actually used the

253
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,640
Speaker 1: word racist or, as you said, made any apologies to

254
00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,080
Speaker 1: the Asian community. It's just like, oh, whoever was offended, sorry,

255
00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:00,960
Speaker 1: And I feel like she just put it up because

256
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,880
Speaker 1: she felt like she had to. The post also stayed

257
00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,200
Speaker 1: on her story for an awkwardly long time, so Clementine

258
00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,720
Speaker 1: Ford had called her out for quite some hours, and

259
00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,520
Speaker 1: the post still stayed up there. Tarlia did end up

260
00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,440
Speaker 1: deleting the videos, however, as you said, it did take

261
00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,960
Speaker 1: some time, and it was interesting because Alyssa, who was

262
00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,960
Speaker 1: continuing to comment on the incident as it happened the

263
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,720
Speaker 1: following day, cop some flak from someone who said it

264
00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,400
Speaker 1: was gross of her to continue to share content about

265
00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,080
Speaker 1: the incident after Tarlia had deleted the stories and apologized.

266
00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,120
Speaker 1: The person then accused Alyssa of trying to generate negative

267
00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,680
Speaker 1: attention towards Tarlia, so Alyssa came out and wrote, I

268
00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,199
Speaker 1: always find it disappointing that people feel the need to

269
00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,520
Speaker 1: give these influences Slash public figures the benefit of the

270
00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,200
Speaker 1: doubt and rush to protect and defend them instead of

271
00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,760
Speaker 1: comforting and supporting the victims of racism or those who

272
00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,000
Speaker 1: have highlighted what's happened. Can you see who and what

273
00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,920
Speaker 1: you're protecting here? As blunt it may sound, defending these

274
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,480
Speaker 1: people time and time again can allow racism to thrive.

275
00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,439
Speaker 1: Alyssa then went on to say that Talia deleted the

276
00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,280
Speaker 1: videos with zero acknowledgment and then followed up with a

277
00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,880
Speaker 1: non apology. She said, posting a non apology today in

278
00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,240
Speaker 1: a vague, esthetic, temporary, instant story doesn't make everything right

279
00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,040
Speaker 1: and doesn't mean that people hurt have to accept the apology.

280
00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,320
Speaker 1: Was it deleted because she truthfully understands how hurtful and

281
00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,480
Speaker 1: harmful it is, or because your parent backlash and that

282
00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,400
Speaker 1: people didn't entertain Slash enjoy it as much as she hoped.

283
00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,880
Speaker 1: She went on to say, I knew this was coming.

284
00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm repeatedly called a bitch, a bully, and accused of

285
00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,600
Speaker 1: perpetuating cancel culture. I wish the people who weaponized cancel

286
00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,960
Speaker 1: culture were just as passionate about calling out and helping

287
00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,640
Speaker 1: to end racism rather than excusing and justifying it. God,

288
00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,440
Speaker 1: I love her. That is just a fantastic response. She

289
00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,480
Speaker 1: really hit the nail on the head about the post

290
00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,680
Speaker 1: being temporary. If you actually were really sorry about what

291
00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,640
Speaker 1: you did, you would at least please make it a

292
00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,480
Speaker 1: static post in your feed, or speak to the camera

293
00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,760
Speaker 1: and acknowledge the upset that you've caused and apologize about it.

294
00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,160
Speaker 1: It would have seen a lot more genuine. I also

295
00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,440
Speaker 1: loved the fact that she said or she put up

296
00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,880
Speaker 1: some esthetic posts because it was spot on. It was,

297
00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, this perfectly created little posts that just blended

298
00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,200
Speaker 1: in with everything else. Because typically now when we see

299
00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,880
Speaker 1: a black Instagram story, we know that's an apology post.

300
00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,640
Speaker 1: So the fact that it was a very aesthetic post,

301
00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,040
Speaker 1: it just blended into everything you could have easily, you know,

302
00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,120
Speaker 1: clicked by and not noticed that it was up there,

303
00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,520
Speaker 1: which I think probably was her aim. The text was

304
00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,520
Speaker 1: also written really small, so as you said, it could

305
00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,400
Speaker 1: easily be skipped over and no one would notice it.

306
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,040
Speaker 1: I did really like the way Alissa pointed out that

307
00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,320
Speaker 1: people rushed to the defense of influencers and turned them

308
00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,120
Speaker 1: into the victim. And then somehow, people like Alyssa, who

309
00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,240
Speaker 1: decides to cooll out this unacceptable behavior, somehow gets trolled

310
00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,400
Speaker 1: and then accused of perpetuating cancel culture. It's just so unfair.

311
00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,800
Speaker 1: I hope that we do reach a point where people

312
00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,280
Speaker 1: realize that calling out damaging behavior isn't actually bullying.

313
00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,360
Speaker 3: We've been asked to sit at home and stay on

314
00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,960
Speaker 3: the couch. Our ancestors were asked to pick up a

315
00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,400
Speaker 3: gun and go to war perspective.

316
00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,760
Speaker 1: This week, Mitchell Orville caused a scene at a luxury resort,

317
00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,640
Speaker 1: with staff requesting the influencer put on a mask and

318
00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,920
Speaker 1: shoes whilst entering the breakfast buffet. Sophie, what happened? Well?

319
00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,560
Speaker 1: This week? Mitchell Orville and Chloe Zepp have been holidaying

320
00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,800
Speaker 1: at a luxury resort on the Gold Coast with their

321
00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,440
Speaker 1: son Arti, and during breakfast service at the hotel, Mitch

322
00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,400
Speaker 1: allegedly caused a stir when he entered the buffet with

323
00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,000
Speaker 1: no mask and no shoes. So, due to COVID restrictions,

324
00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,840
Speaker 1: dinas are of course required to wear masks when selecting

325
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,480
Speaker 1: food from the buffet, and according to our source who's

326
00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,320
Speaker 1: staying at the hotel, Mitch was asked by staff members

327
00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,400
Speaker 1: to put a mask on. He allegedly replied saying he

328
00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,280
Speaker 1: can't wear one because of a medical exemption. Staff then

329
00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,840
Speaker 1: also requested that he puts some shoes on, so he

330
00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:02,720
Speaker 1: was provided with some hotel slippers. God, I just love this. Well,

331
00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,119
Speaker 1: it's really interesting because in Queensland the rule states that

332
00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,159
Speaker 1: you don't have to wear a mask if you have

333
00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,880
Speaker 1: a particular medical condition or disability that may be made

334
00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,520
Speaker 1: worse by wearing a masks. So it gives the examples

335
00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,800
Speaker 1: of a person who has breathing difficulties, a serious skin

336
00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,760
Speaker 1: condition on their face, mental health condition, or psychological impacts

337
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,199
Speaker 1: from experienced trauma. There is a little bit of a

338
00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,720
Speaker 1: catch though, because laws also state that citizens of Queensland

339
00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,960
Speaker 1: don't have to provide a medical certificate to prove they

340
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,879
Speaker 1: have a lawful reason for not wearing a mask. So

341
00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,720
Speaker 1: this defense really can be used by people who simply

342
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,879
Speaker 1: don't want to wear a mask and they don't have

343
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,040
Speaker 1: to show any sort of proof. And I must reiterate though,

344
00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,439
Speaker 1: that we aren't privy to Mitch's medical details, so we

345
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,520
Speaker 1: are unsure of his medical reasons for not wearing a mask.

346
00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,959
Speaker 1: I do want to point out, though, that his friend Sam,

347
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,399
Speaker 1: who was appearing in a lot of his vlogs and

348
00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,080
Speaker 1: filming his vlogs, actually put a TikTok video up saying

349
00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,840
Speaker 1: that he has an exchange between a police officer, and

350
00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,159
Speaker 1: he highlighted this rule that you actually don't have to

351
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,760
Speaker 1: have any proof of a medical exemption if you're not

352
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,200
Speaker 1: wearing a mask. I also thought it was a worthy

353
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,560
Speaker 1: topic to talk about because, as we discussed in late August,

354
00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,800
Speaker 1: Chloe and Mitch were called out by a number of

355
00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,040
Speaker 1: media outlets for not wearing masks during a shopping trip

356
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,400
Speaker 1: to Big w with their son Artie, and the pair

357
00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,480
Speaker 1: documented their shopping trip and a YouTube video, and as

358
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,879
Speaker 1: it is now, at the time of recording that video,

359
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,280
Speaker 1: it was mandatory to wear a face mask inside Queensland

360
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,280
Speaker 1: shopping center. So following the criticism, Chloe posted a lengthy

361
00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,560
Speaker 1: Instagram post denying that she was an anti vaxer and

362
00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,720
Speaker 1: saying that she is very much pro choice. She said,

363
00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,160
Speaker 1: where I live, I'm lucky enough to have more freedoms

364
00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,880
Speaker 1: than other places, and for this I'm grateful. I never

365
00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,280
Speaker 1: want to come across as abusing those rights. It was

366
00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,919
Speaker 1: my mistake for publicly not wearing a mask, and I

367
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,440
Speaker 1: take ownership of that mistake now. I find it very

368
00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,720
Speaker 1: strange that Chloe said she made a mistake for not

369
00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,000
Speaker 1: wearing a mask, but she didn't use that post as

370
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 1: an opportunity to defend Mitch's decision, considering he apparently has

371
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,560
Speaker 1: a medical exemption from doing so because he was copying

372
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,359
Speaker 1: a lot of heat in the media for also not

373
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,159
Speaker 1: wearing a mask. Well, Mitch has his own platform, so

374
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 1: he could have easily come out and cleared the air

375
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 1: and said he has a medical exemption for wearing a mask.

376
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,960
Speaker 1: If that isn't fact true, it's really awkward to take

377
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 1: a look back at some of their past YouTube videos

378
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,879
Speaker 1: that were shared at the start of the pandemic. So

379
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 1: on the twenty third of March twenty twenty, Mitchell was

380
00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that more Australians should take social

381
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 1: distancing more seriously. And you know, as young people, it's

382
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 1: our responsibility to keep the elderly and young people safe

383
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 1: and all we have to do is social distance is

384
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,119
Speaker 1: not that difficult here's a clip of what he said.

385
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,880
Speaker 3: Obviously, the reason that we're social distancing is because we're

386
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 3: in a fortunate position and we can We don't have

387
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:55,920
Speaker 3: to go to work, we don't have to do our stuff,

388
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,400
Speaker 3: So nurses, school teachers, all that stuff, all those people

389
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,199
Speaker 3: that literally have to get to work and stuff. Obviously

390
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 3: you can't social distance, so that's not a problem. But

391
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 3: I guess if you're in a fortunate enough position where

392
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 3: you can do your part. I feel like you know

393
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 3: too much of this attitude of I'm young, fit, healthy,

394
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck about the virus. It's not

395
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 3: you that you have to worry about. It's you getting

396
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 3: the virus and giving it to people around you, babies, kids,

397
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,640
Speaker 3: elderly people like. It's just it pisces me off, But

398
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 3: what can you do?

399
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 1: It seems like Chloe and Mitch have had quite a

400
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 1: backflip since twenty twenty. I do want to finish on

401
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: a bit of a fun note on this topic, though,

402
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: seeing as Chloe and Mitch were at a buffet at

403
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,080
Speaker 1: the hotel, what do you think some of the biggest

404
00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 1: faux pas that people make while they're at a buffet?

405
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 1: Clearly mitched to wear shoes or a mask. That's a

406
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 1: big one. I think one of the biggest faux pas

407
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: happens at that big toast machine. I feel like it's

408
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: a very sought after device, particularly at a buffet breakfast.

409
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,439
Speaker 1: And I can't stand those dickheads who will get toast

410
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 1: for their family members stacks of toast and they will

411
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: stand there and keep loading up the machine while you're

412
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: literally standing there to put you one piece of toast

413
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: on what is your biggest annoyance? I really hate it

414
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 1: when you're waiting for pancakes or waffles and someone takes

415
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 1: all of them to bring back to their family's table.

416
00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: I think that's really selfish, particularly when they can see

417
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 1: that you're waiting for them. It's interesting though, because buffets

418
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: are allowed back in Adelaide now, however, there's a Dinacle

419
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 1: Charles Diner, and for anyone that's in Adelaide, it's at Brighton.

420
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: God I only said Somerton is at Brighton where we

421
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 1: used to live and we had nearly every one of

422
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,959
Speaker 1: our birthday parties over the age of twelve there, and

423
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: recently they've renovated and they have the buffet back. However,

424
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: now when you go up to get a plate of food.

425
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: They have a server there. I feel like that would

426
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: be really humiliating. I feel like it would really deter

427
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: you from piling a lot on your plate. There would

428
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: be an element of shame. Yeah, And I feel like

429
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: the fun of being at a buffet is getting heaps

430
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 1: and heaps of different plates, trying some of it, and

431
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: then you usually don't eat everything off your plate and

432
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: just leave it. My favorite part of a buffet breakfast

433
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: when you are away on holiday is when you steal

434
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: items of the food to take back to your room,

435
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: and you try and do it so subtly with the napkin.

436
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: There've been so many times where we've tried to steal

437
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: danishes and pastries and it's so funny because you do

438
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: try and be so slick and not seen, but all

439
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,239
Speaker 1: the hotel staff really couldn't care less if you were

440
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: taking it or not. It's just going to go on

441
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: the beIN otherwise and they would so know that you

442
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: were doing it as well. What are you going to

443
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: all that trouble for bab popovits and bloody minutes? Aren't

444
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: I'm only doing a finger buffy.

445
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 3: Oh finger my ash.

446
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: Sam Frost has backflipped on her decision not to get vaccinated.

447
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: The Home and Away actor returned to Instagram after a

448
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: three week hiatus to confirm she's getting the JAB after

449
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: Channel seven announced mandatory vaccinations for stuff Now, Kay, can

450
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,360
Speaker 1: you give us a little refresher on how this all started? Yeah?

451
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: So.

452
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: In early October, Sam Frost controversially shared an emotional five

453
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: minute video to Instagram where she explained why she's not vaccinated.

454
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: Sam said, I'm speaking out because it's getting to a

455
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: point now in the world where there's a lot of segregation.

456
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: She also spoke about her mental health struggles and called

457
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: for love and unity now. The backlash was swift and strong,

458
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: with many offended over her use of the word segregation

459
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: in the context to vaccines, and Sam ended up removing

460
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 1: her video along with her social media accounts Now Sophie.

461
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: It does appear that Sam has done a complete backflip

462
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: since seven's recent announcement about mandatory vaccinations for staff. It

463
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: definitely does appear that way.

464
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: Now.

465
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: For a bit of background, Sam Frost has played nurse

466
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: Jasmine Delaney on seven's Home and Away for the last

467
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: four years, and that literally blew my mind. I can't

468
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: believe she has been on Home and Away for that long.

469
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: Oh me too. I have never seen her act in

470
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: one episode. I think I've seen her in a couple

471
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: of ads, though I can't say I've tuned in to

472
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: watch it either. Now, people were very interested in what

473
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: Seven's announcement meant for Sam, so Sam returned to Instagram

474
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: to release this statement. She said, I'm not leaving Home

475
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: and Away. I've got a medical procedure booked in for January,

476
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: so I won't be fully vaxed until mid to late February.

477
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: I will be written out temporarily. Jazzy is going on

478
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: an off screen adventure for a few weeks, but I'll

479
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: be back. My bosses have been amazing. We've been in

480
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: very open communication for months. Very grateful we were able

481
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: to make a plan that works for everyone. Now, Kate,

482
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 1: what did you think about this backflip? I think it's

483
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: quite clear that Sam Frost has sat down with Seven's

484
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: PR team. She would have known in advance that they

485
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: were coming out with an announcement that all seven staff

486
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: would need to be vaccinated, and they would have put

487
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: this together. I do find it very strange that she

488
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: is talking about a surgery that she's having in January,

489
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: and that's why she can't get vaccinated. Because we've got

490
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: to remember the vaccinations for Sam's age group have been

491
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: available since August, so she really could got it earlier

492
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: than that. She's trying to say that that's her excuse

493
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: for not getting it, but it very much goes against

494
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: what she said in the video. And I find it

495
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: perplexing because in terms of people getting booked in to

496
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: have a medical procedure, those people are often told that

497
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: they should be getting a vaccine before they go into

498
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: hospital because you could come into contact with people that

499
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: have COVID. I do find it interesting that her character

500
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: has temporarily been written out of the script and you know,

501
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: she's going on this holiday because I feel like Channel

502
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: seven are more giving themselves room to see if there

503
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: is more backlash towards Sam Frost. They don't want any

504
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: more negative attention, particularly in the wake of the Georgia

505
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: Love scandal. Oh yeah, I totally agree. I feel like

506
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: they've sort of had to come together and they've both

507
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: had to make sacrifices in this relationship in order to

508
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: save face in front of the public. It's not many

509
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 1: people have asked if I'm okay, but it's it's a

510
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: very real thing to be going through behind. Big Brother

511
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: VIP has delivered on its promise of bombshells, with juicy

512
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: details being dropped about Megan Mirkle's first wedding and also

513
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: Shane warn sliding into numerous housemates DMS. Kate, what was

514
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: your first reaction to the show. I was really excited

515
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: to watch Big Brother VIP. I have always loved Big

516
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: Brother and I was really interested to see how Caitlyn

517
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: Jenner went on the show. I love the Kadashians, I

518
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: love Kaitlyn Jenna, and it hasn't disappointed. She has been

519
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,239
Speaker 1: a main character. She has also spoken a little bit

520
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: about Kim and Kanye's wedding that I very much enjoyed.

521
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: She was giving some details about the big table, this

522
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: big marble table, and how everyone's name was engraved on

523
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: the table, like that was their sort of seating spot.

524
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: Are you getting a few tips for your wedding neck, Kate?

525
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't think I could ever afford that.

526
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: But I was surprised how much she was talking about

527
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 1: her family and controversial things. But I suppose she's been

528
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: paid to do it, and I don't think she'll last

529
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: very long on there, so they've kind of got to

530
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: get the most out of her as they can. I

531
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: think it's quite clear that all the celebrities have been

532
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: wised up and told, Hey, you're being paid big bucks

533
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: to be on this show. You've also been flown to

534
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: Australia during a pandemic. You better spill your guts on

535
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: what's exciting about your private lives. Oh. You could see

536
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: that with Thomas Markle from the get go. He's talking

537
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: about Meghan, and I think at first a lot of

538
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: the housemates were excited to hear the goss. However, it

539
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: became quite apparent he hasn't even spoken to her for

540
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: fifteen years and everything that he's saying is such hearsay

541
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: and that he's not in the loop at all. And

542
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: I think most of them are quite disgusted about how

543
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: he sold his sister out to the media. I completely agree, Kay.

544
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: I feel like he is, though, trying to convince us

545
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: all that he has this deeper connection with her than

546
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: what we all think, because he was speaking about the

547
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: fact that when he was fifteen, Meghan Markle was born,

548
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: and he said that he fed her babies at her,

549
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: all the normal family stuff, and I don't know, I

550
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: don't know how you could have any sort of connection

551
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: with a sibling and then go and sell them out

552
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: like that. He's trying to paint her as being the

553
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: one who's into money and selling her story and all that.

554
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: He's literally jumped on a reality TV show to bad

555
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: mouth his sister. Well, so can you tell us exactly

556
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: about this letter that Thomas Markle wrote. Well, Thomas claims

557
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: that their father does not approve of Prince Harry. He

558
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: said that his father says that Harry couldn't even protect

559
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: those chickens in their backyard, and he's of course referring

560
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: to the chicken coop that was very famously in the

561
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: Oprah interview. He also said that their dad wants Harry

562
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: to do proper things like call him up on the phone,

563
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: go see him in person, and say I want to

564
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: take your daughter's hand in marriage. So it's very clear

565
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: that he feels like his side of the family has

566
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: been left out of a lot of these important discussions.

567
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: He says that yet they've left the royal family in

568
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: a very public way and remove themselves from that whole situation.

569
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be feeling too jealous about it. I

570
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: feel sorry for Megan and Harry. It must be so

571
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: difficult because they really don't have family on either side

572
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: to lean on at the moment. I mean, Meghan does

573
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: have her mum, but it's a very messy situation, as

574
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: you said. Kay. Thomas also opened up about the letter.

575
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: He said, I wrote that letter because my private life

576
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: went from private to in the paper. There were quite

577
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: a few lies that were told about us. So I

578
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: got ahold of the palace and I said, could you

579
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: please do something about the paparazzi. The response I got

580
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: back was distant family and I don't know these people

581
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: that came from Meghan, so that kind of pissed me off.

582
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: And she knows, damn well. We had a great time

583
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: growing up together. So I wrote that letter. It just

584
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: sounds like sour grapes to me. It's pretty funny because

585
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: He's also told The Confidential that he thinks that Harry

586
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: and Meghan will be tuning into Big Brother obviously online.

587
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: He also said that he believes that the Queen will

588
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: be closely watching. I mean, the Queen is going through

589
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: health issues at the moment. I think this could be

590
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: the least of her concerns. Yeah. Channel seven are really

591
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: trying to amp that up. They've also got I think

592
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: it's Amaarossa saying that Donald Trump will be watching. Yeah,

593
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 1: there's lots of famous faces apparently watching Big Brother VIP. Yeah. Well,

594
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: what about the claims that Jessica Powell has made about

595
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: Shane Warn sliding into her dms? So it's actually three

596
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: female contestants who said that Shane Warn slid into their dms.

597
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: So jess said, I had Shane Warn in my inbox

598
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: the other week. Shane Warn, Mate, he's a freak. Some

599
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 1: of the things he was sending me inappropriate. I replied

600
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: a bit to him, and then he just got real

601
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: x rated. I love that she still replied the wonder

602
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: he gets in trouble all the time. You don't write

603
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: that over a text if you have a famous name.

604
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: It is so disturbing though, that it isn't just Jessica

605
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: Power that he's been hitting on. It seems like so

606
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: many of them have different stories about Shane Warn. Yeah,

607
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: it was pretty gross. I was surprised that the seven

608
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: network could air it because I felt like it could

609
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: be considered defamation. But I did notice during the ad

610
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: Reace actually pointed this out, is that Chemists Warehouse is

611
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: a sponsor of Big Brother, and on the ad they

612
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: promoted Shane WARN's fragrance at Cama. So I thought there

613
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: might have been a bit of a trade off in

614
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: order to tell those stories. I thought that was very

615
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: strange because, if anything, I thought it contradicted with one

616
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: of their key sponsors. I thought the sponsor wouldn't be

617
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: too happy with that connection. Nah because it nah because

618
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: it brings attention to Shane Warn. And I think a

619
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: lot of men who would be buying the product think, oh,

620
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: good on him hitting on all those women, whereas most

621
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: other people think it's disgusting. That's true, it does put

622
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: his name in the spotlight a bit more. I feel

623
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: like we've got to read through the last couple of

624
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: messages between Jessica Power and Shane Warn that she shared

625
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: on the fits in Whippis Show. Would you like to

626
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: be Shane or Jessica? I'll be Jessica, So she wrote, Hey,

627
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I've had a really big day and I

628
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: haven't been able to reply. I would have loved to

629
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: have caught up, but not in your hotel room. I'm

630
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: not that kind of girl. So to that message, if

631
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm Shane, he replied, what are you doing now? And

632
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the most ceedy messages that

633
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 1: boys send very late at night. Now, I just didn't

634
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: reply to this message. He then didn't take the hint,

635
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: and he wrote I'm leaving tomorrow for Sydney. She again

636
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: did not reply. He messaged again and said, I'm coming

637
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: back to the coast after this Sydney shoot for ten days.

638
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: Let's catch up again. No reply. The final reply I

639
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: think is the most cringey of all. He wrote, boo,

640
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: what's on this afternoon? Take the hint now. She ended

641
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: up blocking him as soon as she left the Big

642
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: Brother House because she said that when she was in

643
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: the house, she kind of felt like her discussions were

644
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: sort of like when you're at a bar and just

645
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: chatting with mates, and she completely forgot that they were

646
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: being recorded. She didn't want to have any awkward conversations

647
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: with Shane when he found out what she was saying, Oh,

648
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how much of that

649
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: I believe. Well, so for you going to continue watching? Definitely,

650
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm really enjoying it so far. I don't like any

651
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: of the boring challenges, but I definitely love the way

652
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: that the producers are making it interesting by dropping all

653
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: of these juicy bombshells stout the episodes. Yeah, I agree.

654
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: I think that they're going to run out of big

655
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: stories though, and they're using it all for the first

656
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: week to try and hook people. And I think the

657
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: big names will probably be evicted early on, and then

658
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: it might be a case of some very boring nobody's

659
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: on there. I didn't know who a lot of them were.

660
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Apart from the big names. I had to keep googling everyone. Oh,

661
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: I had no idea who any of them were except

662
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Jenner and I suppose Jessica Power. Well, I think

663
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: that's all we have time for today. Thank you so

664
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: much for listening today's episode. If you have enjoyed it,

665
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: could you please make sure you are subscribed and leave

666
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: us a five star rating and review, and join in

667
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: on the conversation in our Facebook community, which is outspoken

668
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: the podcast community