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Speaker 1: Oh by the way, I'm doctor Justin Coulson.

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Speaker 2: I'm here with Kylie Hi.

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Speaker 1: Kylie Hi, Kylie's mother to our six daughters. I'm the

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Speaker 1: author of six books about raising families to be happy

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Speaker 3: Do you sometimes wonder if your kids are entitled?

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Speaker 2: Have those moments now and then?

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Speaker 3: As parents, we always hope that the answer is no.

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Speaker 3: But in this episode, we look at the red flags

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Speaker 3: your children might be signaling and how they can practice gratitude.

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Speaker 2: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: Now, when I think about in gratitude and entitlement, what

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Speaker 1: This is a virtue, This is a characteristic of more refined,

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Speaker 2: And now here's the stars of our show. My mum

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Speaker 2: great mood today. I love Monday's Happy Monday.

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Speaker 1: You weren't in a great mood the other day when

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Speaker 2: What is it with that?

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Speaker 3: Clearly I moved it just to make your life hard.

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. The kids.

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Speaker 1: They'll turn around and they'll be like, do you know

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Speaker 1: Like? Whose stuff is it? Do I ever ask you

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Speaker 3: Well you do ask me a lot where you're sunnglasses

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Speaker 1: website called Happyfamilies dot com dot au. Today we're talking

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Speaker 1: about entitled kids. How do you know if you're raising

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Speaker 2: Anyway?

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Speaker 3: It's the Happy Families Podcast, the podcast for the time

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Speaker 2: No, our kids are not entitled.

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Speaker 1: They're perfect. They're absolutely fabulous. I was just thinking about

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Speaker 2: Now? Does that strike you as being a bit entitled?

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Speaker 2: I'm just getting them to me give me the answer.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm entitled to it. I deserve it.

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Speaker 3: I think it'd be great if we gave them some answers.

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Speaker 1: My first answer is we have to be a model

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Speaker 2: What about you. I think it's.

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Speaker 3: Important that children have responsibilities in any home. It requires

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Speaker 3: doing that would help the team. You know, our family

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Speaker 2: That's the key. In fact, I've got that written down.

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Speaker 1: That was going to be the next thing that I said,

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Speaker 1: to sort of extend on your idea when children are young,

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Speaker 1: We're all in this together, we're all working on this,

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Speaker 3: Do you have anything else for us?

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Speaker 1: I want to really go back to that idea of

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Speaker 1: I said that you're at risk of raising an entitled

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Speaker 1: be great if we could go to the park. Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: What can we do about maybe making it happen later?

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Speaker 1: So a hard no doesn't have to be a hard no.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's where we run into trouble when

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I would say to make sure

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Speaker 1: We were talking about bad losers. When we reduce competition and

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Speaker 2: There's enough research.

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Speaker 3: So the main take homes from today are give our

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Speaker 1: And work with them, especially if we want it to

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Speaker 1: be successful and they're tired, or they're hungry or it's

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Speaker 3: Perfect and then when we say no, give them an explanation,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just be a good example. Don't be entitled.

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Speaker 1: Sit around the table at the end of the day

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Speaker 2: Now about the lives we live.

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Speaker 1: Because we live great lives, we have so much to

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Speaker 1: be appreciative of and it helps to overcome.

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Speaker 2: The scourge of entitlement.

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