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Speaker 1: It's a special Will and Woody podcast Mini.

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Speaker 2: We've got a very special guest in the studio with us.

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Speaker 1: Now our next case. There's truly done it all so

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Speaker 1: much so we've had to speak all their lists of accomplishments.

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Speaker 1: So let time out with me, So let me tast

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Speaker 1: my mind, do'k you? The Stars, Neighbors, Australian hind Old, Rupel, Drug.

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Speaker 3: Race, and so many more.

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Speaker 2: We'll forget all of that.

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Speaker 1: They're actually on the show to talk about their new book.

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Speaker 3: Which was originally.

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Speaker 1: Called Got in the Writing, Singing Dancing Act, later short

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Speaker 1: into go to the Act. Please welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: It's drag Queen, extraordinary corny act.

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Speaker 1: That's me.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Thank you, so Shane aka Courtney in the studio,

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Speaker 3: it say, it sounds like it's just like really an

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Speaker 3: eclectic array of stories that you've gotten here from some

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Speaker 3: seriously epic times. I mean, I I one of the

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Speaker 3: stories that my producers related to Melia is you got

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Speaker 3: a story in there about turning down Share for Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I was on Repulse Drag Race and

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Speaker 1: one of the guest judges was Chas Bono, SHARE's son,

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Speaker 1: right and after Drag race. Chas and I became good

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Speaker 3: Chaz, how was she?

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Speaker 1: She was lovely. She was as share as you could

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Speaker 1: imagine Chare could be all the time. I was like

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Speaker 1: that personality, like whatever you like, picture the picture share

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Speaker 1: and that's what Chare is. And her dressing in her

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Speaker 1: trailer stars she was performing. But then later on Chaz

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Speaker 1: said to me, oh, do you want to come to

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Speaker 1: Christmas dinner at my mom's house? And I was like,

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Speaker 1: your mom's Oh, your mom's share and I already had

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Speaker 1: Christmas plan. Oh my. It was like Nicole Kidman saying

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Speaker 1: no to no, not Nicole Kidman, whoever it was, saying

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Speaker 1: not to into a Tom Cruise because mum was cooking

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard that story.

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Speaker 1: That might be a generational thing. Actually, that was a

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Speaker 1: very famous Australian TV actual in the nineteen nineties. I

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Speaker 1: think it was Naomi Watts before she was famous. Sheaomi,

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Speaker 1: it Wasnaomi once.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna hundred thumbs up.

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Speaker 3: So you turned down Share for Christmas dinner?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Did you let the people know?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: Who were you having?

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Speaker 1: Christmas with Well, this is the thing is that I

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Speaker 1: was going to be on a yacht in the Bahamas.

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Speaker 1: Really relatable, you.

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Speaker 3: Guys, the yacht or ship?

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Speaker 1: Do you just rub shoulders with celebrities all the times?

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Speaker 4: I know you move between London, La Australia.

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Speaker 1: So were you Are you just partying with celebs all

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Speaker 1: where you It's funny because when you're doing something where

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Speaker 1: you're trying to I don't know, send out books that

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Speaker 1: you've written to influence people.

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Speaker 3: Like my Courtney Act, which is in good bookstores.

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Speaker 1: You're like, who do I know that's famous? And there's

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Speaker 1: it's that you don't tend to delineate in your hell I.

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Speaker 3: See because you're well, because you're close enough with them

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Speaker 1: So much I was ont in the Bahamas.

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Speaker 2: I just need to reiterate. Yeah, guys, we've got more

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Act. As Shane is going to stay with us.

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Speaker 2: We've got the wonderful Shane, You.

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Speaker 3: And Eka Joints in the studio also known as Courtney Act.

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Speaker 3: Obviously you would know Courtney from RuPaul's once the.

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Speaker 3: Not not big on celebrity or Big Brother vip over

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Speaker 1: Stand, I haven't. I watched half of the first episode.

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Speaker 3: We've got Caitlin Jenner on the shop next. Now, when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got a power tool in the bedroom. We're

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Speaker 2: Realized that hot Dogs from Big Brother. We bumped into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, are you selling houses real estate? A hot dogs?

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Speaker 4: Did you get jealous at all of Courtney acts performing better?

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Speaker 2: You just joined Jane did turn down share for Christmas?

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Speaker 1: like your drag.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just was very deliberate and extreme about my drag.

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Speaker 3: The person that you chose to be.

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Speaker 2: It's scary.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 3: Actually, if anyone gets a chance to see the movie

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Speaker 3: Andy and Me, which is Jim Carey when he went

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Speaker 3: and played Andy Kaufman in that movie, and I totally

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Speaker 3: adopted the role, and to be honest, probably a little

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Speaker 3: bit negligent.

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Speaker 2: And now he abused people when he was at Kaalfem.

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Speaker 3: He says afterwards that at the end of the day

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Speaker 3: exactly that we're all kind of playing a character that

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Speaker 3: we think is appropriate for the person we need to be,

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Speaker 3: and it's an interesting concept when it's up playing.

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Speaker 1: With I think the thing about being Courtney Act. It's

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Speaker 1: interesting because that was always one of my points of

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Speaker 1: dressing up in drag. It was like, look I look

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Speaker 1: like a woman. I am achieving these unrealistic beauty standards.

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Speaker 1: Therefore it was like subversive. But then I think I

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Speaker 1: just looked so pretty that everybody was like, she's so pretty. Like, no,

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Speaker 1: that's not what I meant.

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Speaker 5: Well, if you want to if you want to unpack

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Speaker 5: the message a bit more and you don't just want

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Speaker 5: to ogle at Courtney Act, then by court in the Act.

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Speaker 3: It is out now at all good bookstores.

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Speaker 2: Shame. Pleasure to meet you. Thank you, Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for coming in the city.

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Speaker 1: If you're driving home and you think you'd like to

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Speaker 1: take that Courtney Act out on a date, I will

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Speaker 1: be checking the other folder on my DMS this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: You like the kiss audience, you could provide some you know,

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Speaker 1: some some hot dates. Nice.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what you were going to say. Then

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say something else.

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Speaker 3: Do you think I was going to say, that's a

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Speaker 3: nice way to say you can provide some hot dates.

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Speaker 5: For Courtney, if you want to reach out to us

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Speaker 5: leaping to a GM, she's available.

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Speaker 1: To hear me blushing on the radio.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's popping through Got Me Act out and out

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Speaker 3: all good bookstores.

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Speaker 2: It's willing Woody.

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Speaker 1: Hear more of the boys on the Full Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know you want to