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Speaker 1: As we know, the City of Darwin has indeed released

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Speaker 1: the design of a permanent monument to commemorate the fiftieth

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Speaker 1: But we know that there has been backlash, many people

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Speaker 1: saying that it looks like various different things. We posted

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Speaker 1: the only thing that is being planned. In fact, there

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Speaker 1: is quite a large amount being planned to remember Cyclone Tracy.

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Speaker 1: And joining me in the studio right now is the

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Speaker 1: Remembering Cyclone Tracy Chair, Richard Grazwek. Good morning to you, Richet.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Thank you for having me, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You so much for joining us this morning. Now, first off,

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Speaker 1: can I ask you and I know that you are

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Speaker 1: of what is happening. Can I still ask you your

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Speaker 3: Katie, To some extent, I'm constrained because I'm a member

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Speaker 3: of the Council's committee Commemoration Committee bound by confidentiality clauses,

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Speaker 3: so I cannot say what happens within that committee. All

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Speaker 3: I can say is that I have made my position

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Speaker 3: the monument to cyclone Tracy, right, So that's my position. We,

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Speaker 3: as the committee that you've mentioned, have our own proposal,

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Speaker 3: as you have also mentioned, and that's where we're concentrating

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Speaker 1: And so talk me through because there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: morning anyway, But talk me through exactly what you guys

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Speaker 3: We had initially two elements to our proposal went We

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Speaker 3: we went to her and said, this is what we

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Speaker 2: But we had to jump.

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Speaker 3: saying there were no sacred sites implications. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: this wonderful sculpture, and it was far beyond our capabilities. Now,

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Speaker 3: we settled on the second element of what Tecchi had proposed,

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Speaker 2: Five of them.

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Speaker 3: They're about one and a half to two meters in diameter.

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Speaker 3: They'll stand about half a meter high. Three of them

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Speaker 1: It's like that is such a beautiful area as it

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Speaker 3: Frangi panny trees were ubiquitous in Darwin, both before the

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Speaker 1: But not so and so how much how much is

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Speaker 3: We've had it costed at three hundred and seventy thousand dollars,

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Speaker 3: to say, could you please support this project. I have

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Speaker 3: Well, we need the approval of the City Council to

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Speaker 3: they have they have input into it. We're currently waiting

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Speaker 3: He said that on air this week. I believed, and

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Speaker 1: I dearly though. We want this to happen by Christmas time.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and it will.

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Speaker 3: necessary approvals. Well, the necessary approvals for the offshore sculpture

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Speaker 3: just didn't happen and it became too expensive. We love it,

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Speaker 3: we could still do it. We can certainly do the frangapannies. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: We will be.

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Speaker 3: Proposing to open them, actually unveil them on Christmas morning

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Speaker 1: That'd be incredible.

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Speaker 2: What's an appropriate time?

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Speaker 1: It absolutely is, that would be incredible. Richard. Look, I

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't have a problem with the Council redeveloping

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Speaker 3: don't think that that link is appropriate, and I've said so.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say that we have we have a

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm just waiting for that to happen.

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Speaker 3: We need we need it, we need to know and

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Speaker 3: the end of the financial year should be a good

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Speaker 3: time for people to make a contribution.

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Speaker 1: You would absolutely, absolutely, We'll look after hearing you this morning.

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Speaker 1: So we'll pass on any details if we do get

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Speaker 1: any of that info coming through. Now, look, we are

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Speaker 1: that that really they want to see. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: would you say to them? It sounds like you guys

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, you probably will.

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Speaker 3: You obviously have been looking at the comments on the

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Speaker 3: Cyclone Tracy Survivor Facebook page. A lot of people are

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Speaker 3: talking about the twisted polls at the twisted girders at

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Speaker 3: Casarina heist. Well, yes, of course, now that that exists,

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Speaker 3: that is not going to go away.

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Speaker 2: It is also not going to be moved.

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Speaker 3: And I know that there are moves to enhance that

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Speaker 3: of people see that as emblematic of Cyclone Tracy. Certainly,

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Speaker 3: you know it has a representation and it's not going

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Speaker 3: to go away. So people who who like that and

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Speaker 3: to whom that appeals, it will still be there. And

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Speaker 3: and you know people want to put flowers there or

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Speaker 3: do whatever they want to do. We are, as I say,

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Speaker 3: proposing something totally different, but we think at an appropriate

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Speaker 1: Richard Creswick, I really appreciate your time this morning. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for joining us in the studio, and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 2: Great pleasure, Thank you very much, Thank you so much,