1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now. It is indeed 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: the final day of parliamentary estimates and we know that Parliament. Well, 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: they'll all go into Parliament a bit later the TSAVO 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: at Robin Lamley, the Independent Member for Ara lun Good morning, Robin, Hi, Katie, Robin, 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: talk us through what is happening today. You're finishing up 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: in estimates and heading into Parliament. Well, into the chamber. 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: We are, Katie. So we've just had pound Water before 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: the Estimates Committee, which is always pretty interesting, and Jacana's 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: up right now, followed by Territory Generation. Then at two 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: point thirty we go back into Parliament to first and 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 2: foremost past the budget, which is why we go through 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: the estimate budget estimates hearings. But there'll be other things 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: going on in Parliament today which I think people will 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: be interested in us, Katie. 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: So two thirty that's when you go back in. I 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: thought it was a little bit late, my apologies. So 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: what else do you think that is going to happen 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: this other that people will be keen to find a 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: bit more out about, Robin. 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: Well, at five o'clock we have two of our members 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: who are leaving, retiring from Parliament giving their valedictory speeches. 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: Nicole Madison's already given a series of speeches, so she's 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: not going to be involved in this. But we've got 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: Kezia Puic and Paul Kirby who will, no doubt, how 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: family and friends in the gallery supporting them as they 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: say goodbye to us all. And yeah, depart from what 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 2: has been a long career for Kezierpuic fifteen years and 28 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: I think Paul Kirby's been around for eight years, so 29 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: that will be quite important, particularly for them and their families. 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. 31 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: And then following that, Katie, we go into some business 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: which will be uncomfortable for a lot of people. We'll 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: be talking about the IKAT commissioners report into Michael Gunner, 34 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: the former Chief Minister, and allegations that were made against 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: him about misusing public funds during the twenty twenty election 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: caretaker period to flight to three remote communities with staff. 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: Of course, the outcome of that report was that, well, 38 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: there was a non finding. There was no finding either way, 39 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: yes or no good or bad. The ik Commissioner curiously 40 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: didn't make any findings, but he made a number of 41 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: recommendations and that is around clarity as to what campaigning 42 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 2: is as opposed to public duties, which you know, politics 43 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 2: one oh one, everyone knows the difference, but apparently he 44 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: gave Michael Gunner the benefit of the doubt that he 45 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: may not have completely understood. And other issues around conflicts 46 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: of interest, which again I find completely bewildering how politicians 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: don't understand what a conflict of interest is. I just 48 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: think it's you know, it's basic stuff and we all 49 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: should by this stage know exactly what that means and 50 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: what our responsibilities are. So that will be debated this afternoon, 51 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: and then after that it sounds like it will be 52 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: right at the end of the night is it will 53 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: be the tabling of the IKAC Inspector's report into the 54 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: IKAC Commissioner mister Michael Riches, which she undertook after allegations 55 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: surface that his wife, Michael Rich's wife said that he 56 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: mistreated her and potentially was not physically abusive but psychologically abusive, 57 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: you might say. So. The IKA inspected a fairly brief 58 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: investigation into that, and once again there's nothing to see 59 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: here apparently, but we will see the summary of that 60 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: report tabled in Parliament. 61 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: A night well, look, that'll be all of that is 62 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: going to be very interesting. I think that, you know, 63 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: the thing that piques my interest the most, Robin is 64 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: is a travel by the former Chief Minister. Now it 65 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: piques my interests because I think that so many Territorians 66 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: get incredibly upset with taxpayers dollars being wasted, and that's 67 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: how a lot of people feel following on from that 68 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: report being released, and I know that there wasn't adverse findings, 69 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: but it was really laid out in black and white. 70 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: I think to a lot of people that it just 71 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: wasn't appropriate and I thought it was really interesting then 72 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: earlier last week that the Chief Minister ruled out in 73 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: any way the Labor Party repaying that money back or 74 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: paying that money. 75 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: Back she did, Katie, which was quite unbelievable. The report 76 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: itself was probably one of the weirdest reports I think 77 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: I've read since being in this place. The IKA Commissioner 78 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: laid out all evidence pretty much saying that Gunner did 79 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: with that question turn up at polling boothe on remote 80 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 2: communities on polling day, three remote Aboriginal communities on polling day. 81 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: It's all there in the report, and yet he made 82 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 2: no findings. So to ask that the Labor Party pay 83 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: that money back is very very reasonable if you reflect 84 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: on what the IKACH Commissioner says in his report to 85 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: h and throw Gunner under the bus, which I think 86 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: he probably should have, but he just said, oh look, 87 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he 88 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: didn't know the difference between political campaigning and public duties, 89 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: which is a load of nonsense. Of course, you know 90 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: at that point Michael Gunner was an experienced politician. He'd 91 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 2: been the Chief Minister for four years. You know, he 92 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: knew exactly what he was doing. But you know that 93 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: for the Labor body to not pay that money. But 94 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: this isn't just a squandering, this is a misuse, this 95 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: is a it's wrong on all levels. I can't say 96 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: it's illegal because you know we've had the ik commissioner 97 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: so that he couldn't make a determination like that, but 98 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 2: it has all the signs of being very very wrong 99 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: at B level. 100 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: I agree it did not pass the pub test in 101 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. Robin, before I let you 102 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: got this morning, Matt in Darwin's just messaged through and said, 103 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: please ask Robin about about Joel Boden's Football bs Act 104 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: yesterday when he was asked about how many businesses have 105 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: closed in Alice Springs, Well, yeah. 106 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: He came up with it figure I think it was 107 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: twenty two hundred and twenty businesses have closed across the 108 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: territory that he couldn't provide a breakdown of how many 109 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: had closed in Alice Springs. I mean, honestly, Joel's just 110 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 2: play yesterday with someone else. He produced a football, literally 111 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: a football at one stage, and literally handball the football 112 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: to poor old Sean Radley, the retiring head of a massive, 113 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: big department in the Northern Territory government. I don't think 114 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: Sean was that impressed, but he said he took it 115 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: with a grain of felton and a smile. And if 116 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: I said, Joel, really, why did he do that? Joel? 117 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: Every answer that Joel gade, he tried to spin in 118 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: a story, a pretty long and boring story about himself, 119 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: and to the point where you had the former Chief Minister, 120 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: Natasha Philes, who's been sharing budget estimates, pulling him up. 121 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: Up until that point, she had been pulling me up 122 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: and the opposition up, asking questions and misbehaving. She spent 123 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: all yesterday morning and in the afternoon. Oh, dear, quite hilarious. 124 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: I just sat back and quite enjoy the whole dear me, 125 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: dear me. 126 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: Well, Robin, I'm yet to hear who we've got from 127 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: the CLP on the week that was tomorrow, But you'll 128 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: be back in tomorrow morning and we are going to 129 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: have Joel Boden in as well, so let's see if 130 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: he will definitely stop him from from bringing in a 131 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: football or for telling stories. 132 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: Great redeeming feature, Katie is that he can laugh at himself. 133 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeahs are completely not able to do that, so good 134 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: old jil. It can been a good story, cough, a 135 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: bit of a flacking or a beating and he can laugh. Yes, 136 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: that's always a good thing. That is a good thing. 137 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: Well, Robin Lamley, really good to speak with you this 138 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: morning and keep us up to day with what goes 139 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: on the SAVO. I'll try and tiktac with you to 140 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: find out exactly what happens with those reports and the budget. 141 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: But really appreciate you making us aware of what's going 142 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: on today. 143 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thanks so much.