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Speaker 1: New Jersey and Amanda gam Nation.

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Speaker 2: Well, what an incredible twenty four hours Americans have spoken

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Speaker 2: and now with fifty one percent of the votes, Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump has been elected the forty seventh President of the

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Speaker 2: United States, promising a bigger, better, bolder America an incredible

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Speaker 2: White House return. Here to break it down his journalist

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Speaker 2: and former BBC correspondent Nick Bryant, Nick, Hello, Hello, Nick.

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Speaker 1: Hey Amanda in Jersey? How wo are you?

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Speaker 3: Would it be fair to say, Nick, if we didn't

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Speaker 3: have that pesky pandemic, we would be the end of

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's second term now, and it was just a

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Speaker 3: circuit breaker, is why the Democrats got in that time.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. Actually, I think Trump would have

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Speaker 1: won in twenty twenty had it not been for the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: And he almost won. I mean, he came within forty

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Speaker 1: three thousand votes in twenty twenty from getting a second

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Speaker 1: term in the wire House. This is a more emphatic

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Speaker 1: victory in twenty twenty four that he won in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: He not only won the electoral College, I mean he

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Speaker 1: won every single grand state. Remember all the states we

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Speaker 1: were thinking Ron and Nightface really won them all and

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Speaker 1: He's also won the nationwide popular vote. That's something he

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Speaker 1: didn't do in twenty sixteen. You remember Hillary Clinton got

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Speaker 1: three million more votes than him nationwide. He had to

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Speaker 1: rely on the vagaries of the electoral college. We've all

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Speaker 1: become experts in the electoral college recently, haven't we. And

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Speaker 1: there were seen people who thought, well, look, America hasn't

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Speaker 1: really endorsed Donald Trump. He hasn't got a mandate because

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Speaker 1: more people have voted for Hillary Clinton. You cannot say

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Speaker 1: that this time round. This was an emphatic victory for

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Speaker 1: Donal sum And what does.

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Speaker 2: It tell you tell us about who America is and

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Speaker 2: what they want?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think it tells us at the moment that

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Speaker 1: America is struggling with high prices. People are really annoyed

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Speaker 1: about having to pay a higher mortgage rates. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're falling back on that Clintonian fleichew, aren't we from

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Speaker 1: the early nineteen nineties. It's the economy stupid, was the

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Speaker 1: slogan that drove his campaign in ninety ninety two. I

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Speaker 1: think you could change that slightly. It's the felt economy stupid.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of economic innesseas in America, right, pretty

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Speaker 1: good but it's the felt economy that is crushing people.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a mood of anti incumbent see not

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Speaker 1: just in America but around the world. If you want

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Speaker 1: to register a process, well who better to do it

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Speaker 1: with than Donald Trump. He's the kind of ultimate protest candidate.

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Speaker 1: But he does have appeal as well. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: you cannot deny it. He's got this magnetism, He's got

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Speaker 1: this charisma that does appeal to people. You know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people look at the weave as he calls

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Speaker 1: his speeches where he goes all over the place and

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Speaker 1: starts talking about Hannibal Actor and all sorts. But that

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Speaker 1: isn't disqualifying, And nor was the fact that, as a

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Speaker 1: sitting president on Jeneral twenty twenty one, he mounted an

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Speaker 1: insurrection to try and overturn an election he'd lost. Even

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Speaker 1: that wasn't disqualifying. He once said he could stand on

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Speaker 1: Fifth Avenue and shoot people and it wouldn't start people

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Speaker 1: voting for him. And I think again, we've seen proof

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Speaker 1: of that over the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: And people just like play and speak, don't they. They

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Speaker 3: hear a politician talk and then they hear word sell

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Speaker 3: and I think I would say it's Anthony Albnezi. He's

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Speaker 3: going to World sell ten. Before he became our prime minister,

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Speaker 3: he used to speak quite plainly. But this is what

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Speaker 3: happens to them all. We've seen it on our show,

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Speaker 3: people like Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard, once they've become prime minister,

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Speaker 3: they've become too scared to talk. I think Kamala Harris

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Speaker 3: was just too scared to say anything.

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Speaker 1: Well. I think in twenty and sixteen, when Trump first

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Speaker 1: emerged and he mentioned his campaign with an attack on

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Speaker 1: Mexican immigrants, right, people were just saying, you can't say

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Speaker 1: that and expector win the presidency. That's disqualify. A few weeks,

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Speaker 1: Lady had to go at John McCain, this war hero.

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Speaker 1: He said he should never have ended up in a

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Speaker 1: pow cab. It was his fault. He liked people who

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Speaker 1: avoided that kind of w camb experience. Again, you can't

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Speaker 1: say that, but it didn't matter. And Trump was saying

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Speaker 1: the unsayable. He was saying things that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have thought and didn't fel that they could say

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Speaker 1: that in public for many years. He gave voice to that,

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Speaker 1: and he gave permission for them to say those things

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Speaker 1: as well, and that has always been part of his appeal,

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Speaker 1: whether it's expressions of concern about immigration, or whether it's

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Speaker 1: expressions of concern that, you know, America's going get into

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Speaker 1: left wing too woke, as some people would say.

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Speaker 2: He has said quite plainly that it's going to He's

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Speaker 2: going to punish people who haven't gone his way. What

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Speaker 2: are people expecting from this kind of the next four years.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm worried. I covered Trump every day for four years,

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Speaker 1: and this will be a retribute from presidency. I think

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Speaker 1: he will seek to punish people who went against him,

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Speaker 1: critics like Liz Changing, for instance, the Republican congressman who

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Speaker 1: was very critical about his role in January the sixth

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Speaker 1: and then was pers from the Republican Party. Really as

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Speaker 1: a result of that. I mean, January the sixth is

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Speaker 1: going to have been a moment of repudiation with the

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Speaker 1: Republicans and Donald Trump, but it came a moment of

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Speaker 1: further Republican radicalization, became even more radical and attached to him,

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Speaker 1: And I think he'll go after people, you know, And

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Speaker 1: it's worrying because you know, Donald Trump does have authoritarian tendencies,

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Speaker 1: there's no question about it. One of the things we

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Speaker 1: learned in his first term was the American system relies

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Speaker 1: on norms as it much as it does on laws,

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Speaker 1: and the Constitution has gaps in it when it comes

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Speaker 1: to presidential power. When they wrote it, they had George

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Speaker 1: Washington in mind, and they thought he would be a

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Speaker 1: kind of one man check and balance on himself, and

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Speaker 1: he was. But there are gaps in the Constitution that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump could exploit well.

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Speaker 3: And also with the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about muskets, not AR fifteen's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And frankly, the Second Amendment was never about

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Speaker 1: the individual right to bear arms. It was about militias.

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Speaker 1: It was only in two thousand and eight that Supreme

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Speaker 1: Goot actually said it's about the right to bear arms individually.

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Speaker 1: They completely upended the meaning of the Second Amendment. But

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Speaker 1: that's a conversation for another day.

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Speaker 3: Well, Nick, thank you for bringing us up to speed.

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Speaker 3: You're always a very enlightening Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me