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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory, Leofanocchiio. Good morning, Chief Minister, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners and to every

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister Win, did you first loan what had happened

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was late yesterday afternoon and obviously just gut

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Speaker 2: another lost member of our community, a much loved, well known,

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. Have you spoken to the family.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've been in contact with Ben the Sun and

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that a seventy one year old

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Speaker 1: this is so hurtful. An eighteen year old kid has

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Speaker 2: I think people today are thinking, how has this happened again?

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Speaker 2: When is enough going to be enough? What needs to

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Speaker 2: We've always said that. And straight after this interview, Katie,

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Speaker 2: It does have to get sorted. It's just fundamental to everything.

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Speaker 1: So some will be asking this morning if if Declan's

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Speaker 1: Benes So, I know you are princes for time and

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Speaker 2: Will we taking double down? Katie? Don't you worry about that?

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Speaker 2: And stopping bail is exactly what is front of my

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Speaker 2: You know, I thought, I thought immediately of Samaralavity as well,

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Speaker 2: You know, really this is a terrorization of people. That

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Speaker 1: That's what you think it is at the moment. Do

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Speaker 2: We are, We absolutely are. I mean people are quite

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Speaker 2: When we talked on Monday, Katie about people and Catherine

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Speaker 2: this is having a huge impact. It's why you know,

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Speaker 2: And we've always said that this is just the beginning

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Speaker 1: Well, Chief Minister, I think it is. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: what is your message this morning to Territorians who I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people will be very angry today. They will be frustrated,

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Speaker 1: Chief Dinnessa, I really appreciate your time. I know you

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Speaker 1: need to urgently get to a meeting. Thank you very much.

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