WEBVTT - Bachie Insider Tells All *Tea Spilt* 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.120 People who go on these shows are just normal people. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.080 Some people might watch the show and we completely horrified 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.760 that they are the villain. Like they might just have 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.920 said stuff that you know, sounds completely normal, but when 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.280 you put the music behind it, or you cut it 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:16.280 up or I don't know your zoom in's the eye 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:18.960 rolls or whatever it is, they're like really shocked, and 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.320 I don't feel like there's enough support. There's a lot 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:24.680 of alcohol, as you can imagine. Producers love it when 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.560 you drink because your filter goes and you know you 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.400 don't care what you say. There's no sex on the show. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.360 There's no sneaking out, there's no where to go. You're 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.920 like locked in this apalgion. I actually got off the 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.280 show and did not use social media before. In a harder. 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.080 Hello and welcome to a special edition about Spoken. You're 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.480 joined by journalists Sophie and Amy Torbuth. Have you ever 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.159 wondered what it's really like to be. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:50.720 A contestant on The Bachelor? 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.080 Well, today we've been given an all access passed by 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:58.000 former Bachelor contestant Ali Hammert, who appeared on Blake Garvey's 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.480 season of the Bachelor. Ali is a successful lawyer, but 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:04.520 was introduced as an intruder and top fashion blogger on 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:05.920 the top rating program. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.679 On today's episode, we discovered just how. 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:13.200 Much control the producers actually have, how the drama really unravels, 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:16.039 and how you're treated once your fifteen minutes of fame 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:23.560 is up. Well, officially, welcome to the show. I'm so 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.840 excited for this chat because Sophie and I are tragic 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.960 fans of The Bachelor and I feel like there's going 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.880 to be a lot of tea spilt in this episode. 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.640 So thank you for joining us. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.720 I was super excited to be here now. 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.759 You appeared on the second series of The Bachelor with Blake, 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.600 also known as the Dirty Street Pie. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:43.800 What was it that enticed you to apply for the 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:44.880 show in the first place. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.880 Yes, so, a lot of my friends at the time 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.120 This was six years ago, so this was the second 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.840 series in twenty fourteen, and a lot of my friends 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:55.600 at the time had just been on a reality TV 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.560 show randomly, So I had a few friends who had 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.640 been on Australia's Next Top Model, ends have been on 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.560 The Amazing Race, and I honestly just wanted to experience 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.520 what it would like to be on reality TV show'd 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:11.360 obviously watched heaps of shows as a viewer, but onced 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.240 you experience it from the inside and see what really happened. 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.000 I also actually didn't apply for the show. I randomly 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.920 got an email one day saying, would you like to 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.720 be a part of a TV show? And I had 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.760 no idea what it was for. And I caught a 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.239 cab from work, went to the meeting and they said, 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.600 do you want to be an intruder on the Bachelor? Like? What? 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.360 Sur random? Like I thought people applied for this. I'd 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.280 heard like rumors that you apply and you go through it. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.840 I don't know, weird anyway, So yeah, and I remember 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.960 calling my mom, and my mom is the most private 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.000 person on the planet and like the last person that 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.400 would ever if I would to have made like hometowns 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.200 for instance, have appeared on a show like that. So 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.160 she was like, are you crazy, Like it is the 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.840 worst idea in the world. Do not go on that show. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.200 But I always knew I'd be in it for a 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.080 very quick time, if I'm honest, wasn't I guess in 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.360 there for the right reasons because I went on there 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.480 to promote my blog to experience it, and I guess 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.760 if I found love, that would have been great. But 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.519 I think you know, anyone who applies to the show 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.800 like thinking they're going to find love, well, I don't know. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.160 That's great, and many people do. Many people are successful 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:25.480 families out of it. It just wasn't really why I 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.160 went on the show. If I'm completely well. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.880 It seems a bit unfair when people do question some 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.000 of the people's motives because, as you say, you didn't 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.960 even apply, you were approached. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.520 Exactly, so how could anyone say, oh, you're in here 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.560 for the right reasons? Because I quite candidly was known 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:49.040 as the fashion blogger. I quite candidly told the producers like, well, no, 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.600 I won't say that, I'm not sure, but I mean, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.840 very quickly after the show I met my now husband 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:58.800 and married with a kid. So were my intentions one 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.280 hundred percent to find the love of my life. I 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.960 guess if I found the love of my life, it 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.440 would have been great, But it was more about promoting 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.040 my blog, if I'm honest, and just experiencing it. I 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.960 just wanted to be in the house for a really 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.479 short time and see what really goes on and come 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.880 out and six years down the line, like now, be 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.800 able to say I've been on a reality TV show 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.520 and watch TV with a very different lens. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:25.039 I'm sure you do. 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:28.040 So you said you'd wanted to find out what really 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.680 goes on. You actually kept a journal, So does that 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.719 sort of does your journal give a good insight into 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.440 the reality of reality TV? 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.000 Yeah, I mean it's pretty random. Like when I first 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.560 started speaking to you guys, I went to my parents' 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.600 house and dug up. I remembered I had this journal, 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.680 and I remember all the girls the intruders wrote in 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.359 this journal, and I kept it while I was in lockdown. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.119 So actually two days prior to going in the house, 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.560 I think it was at the Star City Casino from memory, 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:01.480 and you go into lockdown and that was like the 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.240 weirdest thing in the world because you felt like a 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.279 fifteen year old kid again. You had like a producer 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.560 with you all the time. I guess the idea behind 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.760 that that two days was around finding out well, first 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.359 of all, like fitting fitting you and seeing what dress 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.320 you're gonna wear, and getting your hair and makeup tested out, 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.320 all that kind of thing, but also interviewing you, finding 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.440 out if you've got any phobias, anything, you're scared of. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.120 For instance, like Lorena, as we know, she likes like 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:31.039 fine dining, and I guess this dirty street par example, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.680 like was her ultimate worst nightmare for a day, and 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.360 they would have known that and obviously put out for 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.800 that day. Or for me, I have a fear of heights. 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.680 I actually didn't tell them that because it would be 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.200 my worst nightmare to jump out of a plane. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:43.800 You're too clever. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.120 I'm a lawyer. I remember, they didn't tell anybody that 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.120 I was just a stupid fashion blogger. So yeah, the 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.080 journal was interesting and reading back on it made me 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.479 laugh and maybe cringe a little bit because it's quite Yeah, 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.320 I don't know. My experience of the show wasn't experienced definitely, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.960 but something I look back on and think, like, I 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.359 don't know, like why did I do that? It's a 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.200 bit weird that that you put yourself in that position 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.600 and give up all control and sign a contract away 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.320 that basically you're signing a life away. You're giving the 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.800 producers to the opportunity to make out whatever they want 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.719 of you. So yeah, I came in as the fashion 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.279 blogger you know, however, and has the little title. I 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.760 made it really clear to the producers that I'm a lawyer. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.840 I was working on a huge global law firm and 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.120 wanted that to come out. But I guess there were 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.760 so many I think there were two other lawyers at 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:36.520 the time, and one of them was an intruder. So 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.440 I just got you know, the fashion blogger. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.960 And in your diary you spoke about how you couldn't 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:48.039 believe how emotionally invested some of the girls seemed. On 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.200 the first night. What was that initial dinner party really 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.320 like cocktail cocktail party? 0:06:55.960 --> 0:07:00.800 Yeah, no, yeah, that was completely eye opening for me. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.400 I guess as an intruder. We came in I think 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.320 two to three months in. These girls had been in 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.960 the house for a really long time, and when you 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.760 go in the house, they strip you down of anything 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.480 any contact to the outside world, like pretty much you 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.200 get a roundom call here and they're back to home. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.560 But you don't have access to newspapers, you don't have 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:23.200 access to calling people around on the social media. You know, 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.320 you can read a book and you can sit around there, 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:28.040 but you have what's called a voxy every morning, which 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.960 is like a two hour interview. I guess with the 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:35.120 producers are two hours well really long. I don't feel 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.119 like ten hours. It's crazy. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.040 It's crazy because they obviously only take snippets of such 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:42.040 a long chat. 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.280 Yeah exactly, but yeah and everything. You have to answer 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.800 everything in full sentences, so you know, for an example, 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.600 if they say are you attracted to Blake, you can't 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.920 say yes. You have to say I'm so attracted to Blake, 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:54.640 or yes, I'm attracted to Blake, or I think Blake 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.320 is amazing, because obviously they can't use yes in a show. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.200 So I guess when you're sitting around a house and 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.240 every morning you're being asked about Blake and all the 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.800 girls are talking about Blake and the only topic of 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.320 conversation is Blake, and Blake is amazing at that time 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.280 because he's wooing you and he's dressed nicely and he's 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.880 taking you on dates. So everyone's just becomes so obsessed 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.480 with him, and having come in fresh, I wasn't obsessed 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.480 with him at all, and I was just so shocked. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.040 It felt like they were so brainwashed, and it was 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.760 so like it felt so genuine that they were actually 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.480 in love with this guy because you're on a TV 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.839 show thinking about him and he's like the one who 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.920 comes and like, if you're lucky enough, you get time 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.240 with him. So I was quite shocked that, Yeah, it 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.080 wasn't that they fell in love with him the first 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.360 night because I was an intruder. They'd been and there ready, 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.839 But I was shocked at how emotionally invested they had 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:48.720 grown to be over the course of the two to 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.800 three months. I'll never forget Sam Frost. I think it 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.800 was either Sam or Louise, but I'm pretty sure it 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.040 with Sam Frost had just been on a single date 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.560 and was really really threatening to leave when we came 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.200 in because she was just so distraught that like the 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.440 new people would come in and they all felt really territorial, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.840 and the girls were so lovely, like they were nice people. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:11.079 I just think being in a house and not having 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.559 that contact outside, well, like you know, you're not working, 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.400 you're not doing anything, you're just sitting around thinking about Blake. 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.480 It felt like they were really invested in him, and 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:22.400 that shocked me. 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.760 Do you think it was the producers who were fueling that, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.920 Like do they tell you sort of on the sly, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.839 hey you know, Blake said this about you? 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.320 Or do they try it because no, I mean, of 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.880 course they have these people in there who I didn't 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.559 even know what they call it. I guess producers, but 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.400 they sort of live with you in the house. They 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.400 don't like go home at night, and they feel like 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.160 you're best friends. Of course, they like tell you all 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.400 these week things and and they're actually really nice people, like, 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:48.680 at the end of the day, this is a show, 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:51.559 it's going to be They want it to be good, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.080 and they want the girls to be invested. I mean, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:55.920 have you ever seen a contestant ever walk in and 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.600 say like, oh, this guy's not for me. It's not 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:02.839 really it doesn't happened of them, so so yeah, I mean, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:09.080 of course it's manipulated a little bit. It's not all reality. Yeah. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.960 And you also spoke about you kind of termed it 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.600 that you felt like a puppet for TV ratings in 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.520 your journal. Just how much control do you think the 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.280 producers did have in the final edit over what you said? 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:21.280 Did you? 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.400 Was there something that you said that got totally taken 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:24.719 out of context? 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.559 One hundred percent? So you know, the filming goes for hours. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.800 Like to give you an idea, my Row ceremony, So 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.240 when I was an intruder, I came in, we met 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.439 Blake we walked down the aisle as if it was 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.240 the first night, same same as you would on the 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.880 first night, and met Blake and then you know everyone 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.400 had they won on one time, and then there was 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.800 a road ceremony that actually went till four in the morning, 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.920 over two nights, same hair, same makeup, over two nights. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.880 Like you saw that episode air and I don't know, 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:57.760 it looks like an hour or something that these are 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.360 really long. Yeah, the filming goes on for a long time, 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.000 and you're exhausted, Like half the time when you when 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.360 the camera focuses on someone rolling their eyes and a 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.800 rose some or anything, you're just really exhausted or your 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.200 feet hurt from wearing heels founding around, but you're just 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.440 over it, like you might not even want a rose. 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.720 I don't know, but yeah, you've got to remember, like 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:21.600 there's hours and hours of filming and the boxes that 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.520 I spoke about earlier. You know, you might be speaking 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.440 for two hours or one hour or whatever it was 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.840 at the time. I actually remember, but it was a 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.080 long time and they might just take one grab of 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.040 what you've said, So yeah, they can make out of 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.719 it whatever they want. And when you speak, they can 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.480 put music on in the background, or they can focus 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.560 in on your licking your lips or rolling your eyes. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.520 I don't know, but they can really create the picture 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.560 of you whatever they want. Of course you have to 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.360 say the stuff, but they can also keep asking it. 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.640 And it's not like that you're locked in a room 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.920 for the boxy. But until you really give them what 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.559 they want, I mean, I don't know. You can get 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.000 it done a lot quicker if you just answer the 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.840 questions in full sentences and cooperate. 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:05.079 And yeah, and is there a lot of alcohol flowing 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:06.440 at these cocktail parties. 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.600 Yeah, I actually don't drink, which is I never drink. 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.800 I never taken a drug in my life, so I 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.440 am also someone who loves control, so I made the 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.920 decision obviously drink on the outside world, so I didn't 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.559 drink on me in the mounsion. But yes, there is 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.079 a lot of alcohol. As you can imagine. Producers love 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.680 it when you drink because your filter goes and you 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:30.839 can say, you know, you don't care what you say. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.160 You sort of forget about the cameras, Like I remember 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:35.920 telling myself that my own brain like, oh my god, 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.880 you're being filmed. Watch what you say, you know, don't 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.640 say anything stupid, but really quickly it gets to be 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.760 the new norm and you forget about the cameras and 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.679 you just you just do say stuff, even though there 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.560 are cameras everywhere. I imagine, like the girls are whatever. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.679 Months like, you just get so used to it. I 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.800 don't know, so alcohol definitely was flowing. I don't know 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.880 now if they've got limits or anything, but yeah, they 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.400 loved they loved offering you a wine and they were 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:04.480 a little weighted. Who came up? 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:08.800 And how much time do you actually get to spend 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.959 with the batchelor. I know you're an intruder, but if 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.200 you are in there for a while, did they actually 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.800 have enough time to grow a significant relationship with that person? 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.120 Yeah, it's a really good question. Like, look, I wasn't 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.840 there for long enough to tell you that very little. 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.680 On a cocktail party, as I mentioned, like that would 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.640 be film till three four in the morning sometimes and 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.680 it's really long because Blake would go into a room 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.280 and he'd have his boxy interviews and they'd interview each girl. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.920 And I mean, when let's say my private chat, that 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.600 was probably fifteen minutes or you know, when I walked 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.120 down the aisle and I said my little spill to 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.320 him in the beginning, like it's five or ten minutes. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.600 The girls would be waiting around for weeks between, you know, 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.720 if they didn't have a single day. I don't know 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:57.800 that there's not that much time, So not a huge amount. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.280 Unless you're there till the very end and you've done 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.679 hometowns and you've had single dates and you've done many 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.920 group dates. It's really not a lot because there's so 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.440 much that goes on in between that. Yeah, there's not 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:12.280 a huge amount of. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.000 And on the same kind of topic. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.400 For instance, in America, I feel like they've got the 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.400 fantasy suite and I feel I don't know, I feel 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.120 like they must spend a lot more time with that 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.080 person because all those relationships seem a bit more genuine 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.920 behind the scenes. Is there time for girls to sneak 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.280 out and go and see the bachelor or spend time 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:30.280 with him overnight? 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.640 Okay, like absolutely not. I don't know as well, like 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.520 my series was a long time ago, it was twenty fourteen, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:42.280 but completely not. I think the US one is, Yeah, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.680 there's no sex on the show, there's no sneaking out, 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.160 there's no where to go. You're like locked in as 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.400 a bouncin. Definitely not. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:49.880 I was gonna. 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.080 I just had a thought with the producers. I did 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.880 hear a rumor a while ago that they had baby 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.520 monitors in rooms so they could listen. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:02.000 To what is true? Would they go to that extent to. 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.240 Find out what you guys are talking about? 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.360 I never saw a baby monitor as such. That would 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.080 be great advertising. No, but no, I never saw that. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:13.920 But you just got minders who hang out with you 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.200 all day and they listened to you. I'm not I 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.240 remember feeling really anxious about keeping my journal in case 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.080 someone would go through my bags and find it, Like 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.280 I filtered what I wrote sometimes, So I remember that 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:29.080 feeling of like there are people everywhere, there are cameras everywhere, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.320 everybody is listening to you all the time. Like let's 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.880 say you're hanging out with the girls. The producer would 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:35.760 come up to you and be like, oh, guys, can 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:37.840 you talk about like today, how you felt when you 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.160 came in and this person went crazy, you know, or whatever, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.960 and they like give you conversation starters kind of thing, 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.120 and then they would film it. But I don't know 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.240 about the baby monitor things. I think that's the rum. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.920 There are real cameras. 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.160 Do they stay in touch with you guys after the 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.120 show or is it sort of as soon as you're gone, 0:15:58.520 --> 0:15:59.120 they're gone. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.120 It's pretty degrading if I'm honest. I mean, you're chucked 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.640 in it, like when you don't get the rose and 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.120 the music comes on, do do Do? Do do do? 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.800 You're walked out, shoved in a car, you're asked how 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.680 you feel. I mean it is there's a camera like 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:14.800 shoved in your face, Like the cameras aren't fat like 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.280 you literally you know, you're in a car. So if 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.240 you can imagine someone to producer in the front seat 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.000 being like, oh, you're upset you didn't get a rose, 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:22.840 like you know, if you say like, oh, you don't 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.680 care because you weren't attracted to Blake in the first place, 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.840 then you just look like a you know, like you're 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.040 just upset and you look silly. And if you say, 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.120 how do you win? Like you can't win on these 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.800 showscuse matter what you say, you just look like an idiot. 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.200 But I guess you've got to realize that going in 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.920 and no matter how much like you think, you might 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:44.360 get portrayed, well I think, I mean, how many people 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:45.840 on the show. How many girls you watch on man 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.560 you're like, oh my god, she's so cool, Like there's 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.440 it's not that many. You're always like an idiot or 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.400 a villiant villain or there, well hits really nice girls 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.160 on the show, like they're all Some were smart, some 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.040 were great girls. But I don't know. I don't think 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.080 you can really come out winning. Some ross was great. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.280 There have been many examples, but I don't know, just 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.520 been should be mindful when you're on these shows, Like 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.280 you think you're going to be really cool and you're 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.720 gonna be yourself, but they can just make cut it 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.880 and edit you to be whatever they want, and it's 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.000 not going to be an interesting show if you're just 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.840 a normal person. It's going to be an interesting show 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.960 if you are dramatic and you are emotional, and you 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:25.000 do get emotional and dramatic because you've been stuck in 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:29.040 a house for weeks. So yeah, I don't know. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.240 No, that's such a good point. I think that's important 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.960 for anyone listening that might be thinking of entering. There's 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.480 been a lot in the news recently, I suppose, with 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.760 the tragic death of Caroline Flack, although she wasn't on 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.960 a reality show as a contestant. It's brought up obviously 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.600 Sophie and Mike, who committed suicide after the show. Do 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.719 you think there is enough care in place for people 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.280 in Australia who have been on reality shows. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.919 It's so fascinating to me because you know when I 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.400 went on in twenty fourteen, you know how now you 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:04.040 get instant fame. I mean, you get off the show 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.399 or even during the show, they're posting heaps on Instagram, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.880 they're tagging you. Really wasn't like that in my day. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.760 I already had a following from I mentioned my blog. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.760 That's why when I'm a show, to promote my blog 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.600 one of the reasons. But yeah, back in my day, 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.640 like we didn't. It's not like they tagged you on Instagram. 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.200 You got this instant following. So I really when I 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.320 got off the show, it was just it's went back 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.080 to my normal life. Like as well, I wasn't on 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.600 there very long, so but yeah, I mean people who 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.359 won the show, what went hometowns and were more memorable, 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.960 they need a lot of care, like especially now that 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:39.240 that news of Caroline Black is horrific and it just 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.800 shows you the gravity. Like people who go on these 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.600 shows are just normal people. I know it's just the host, 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.679 but the contestants or whoever you are, they're just normal people. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.680 Like they don't have any idea that after the show 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.639 that some people might watch the show and we completely 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.040