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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to a special edition about Spoken. You're

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Speaker 2: joined by journalists Sophie and Amy Torbuth. Have you ever

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Speaker 3: A contestant on The Bachelor?

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Speaker 2: Well, today we've been given an all access passed by

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Speaker 2: former Bachelor contestant Ali Hammert, who appeared on Blake Garvey's

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Speaker 2: season of the Bachelor. Ali is a successful lawyer, but

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Speaker 3: On today's episode, we discovered just how.

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Speaker 2: Much control the producers actually have, how the drama really unravels,

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Speaker 2: excited for this chat because Sophie and I are tragic

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Speaker 2: So thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: I was super excited to be here now.

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Speaker 2: You appeared on the second series of The Bachelor with Blake,

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Speaker 1: Yes, so, a lot of my friends at the time

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Speaker 2: No, that's such a good point. I think that's important

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Speaker 1: But there needs to be so much more care. We

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Speaker 1: had a psychologist on the show who apparently we could

435
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Speaker 1: reach out to after, but I always got the feeling

436
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 1: like maybe this was wrong and maybe I was just

437
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: paranoid as mentioned with my diarial, scared that that would

438
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Speaker 1: be found. But they told us that we could always

439
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 1: call the psychologist after and you know, but I don't know,

440
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: you feel like it's so contrived that you're a bit

441
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: worried to do anything. It's like, well it's rather papermones

442
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Speaker 1: colleges if I needed want because I don't know what

443
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 1: they're going to feedback or I don't know. It's just

444
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 1: when I got off the show that that was it.

445
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 1: I think I bumped into one of the producers once

446
00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 1: after Westfield and I actually lived with my room at

447
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 1: the time, was the silist on the show. Yeah, so

448
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 1: I had a bit of like, I mean, you're not

449
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: allowed to talk about anything that goes on. I didn't

450
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: even over won it, but yeah, my situation was a

451
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 1: little bit different. You know, you see all these girls

452
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: like after band together and they become really you know,

453
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: they go out together, they build their followings and whatever.

454
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: I took a completely different route. I was just over it.

455
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 1: I'd been blogging for seven years already before this, before

456
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 1: Every Man and their Dog had a blog. So my

457
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: my reaction was probably pretty rare because I just was like, whoa,

458
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Speaker 1: I'm done with all this stuff. I don't speak to

459
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 1: any of my friends who've really been on reality TV

460
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 1: shows anymore and just got married and had a kid

461
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: and went back to my work life. So yeah, but

462
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Speaker 1: more care needs to be taken. It's pretty scary how

463
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: emotionally unstable you can see now as well with stories,

464
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: things like that didn't exist when I don't think stories

465
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: existed yet twenty fourteen on Instagram. But it's just scary

466
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Speaker 1: to watch the contestants get so constant because at the

467
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 1: end of the day next year, they're going to be

468
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: forgotten and there'll be a new match. I don't remember

469
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Speaker 1: who I am. I walked down the street. I mean,

470
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Speaker 1: I wasn't a huge part of the show. It was

471
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Speaker 1: on a couple of episodes, but I don't know. I

472
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Speaker 1: think I feel like you think everyone's going to care,

473
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: but no one does, just being part of a show

474
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Speaker 1: like so, yeah.

475
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Speaker 3: That's so true.

476
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Speaker 2: And when we're going to see that, you know, with

477
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: the Maths contestants this year, everyone's going to forget about

478
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 2: Jess and Martha and we've got I mean, it even

479
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Speaker 2: disturbs me seeing how some of the people have been portrayed.

480
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're watching it, obviously your husband's

481
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 2: not a big fan, but it is that whole it

482
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: is that whole kind of disposable aspect of the show.

483
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Speaker 2: And as you were saying earlier, you're a lawyer, but

484
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Speaker 2: you also used to write a blog. Do you feel

485
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Speaker 2: like they really wanted to pigeonhole you into what they

486
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Speaker 2: probably deemed as it somewhat superficial job title.

487
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Speaker 1: Of course. I mean they had two lawyers on the show.

488
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Speaker 1: One of the intruders, I don't. I think one other

489
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Speaker 1: one I kind of remember, but yeah, it was the

490
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Speaker 1: fashion blogger. I was pitched up against Lorena to be

491
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: like the one who's got to come in, and like,

492
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: it's just they just paint you whatever they want to

493
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: paint you. And I like, my blog was a huge

494
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Speaker 1: part of my life, don't get me wrong. Like I

495
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: ended up quitting law and actually doing my blog as

496
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: a business. This was well before even anyone knew what

497
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: a blog was. People like, what are you doing? They

498
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: couldn't understand why I was posting this random stuff. But yeah,

499
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: they just they make of you whatever they want, and

500
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Speaker 1: I really feel like they decide that at that very

501
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: first meeting, you know, when I went in there and

502
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: I caught a cab from work and I met them

503
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: for the first time they said do you want to

504
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: be on the show? They knew already, Like I believe

505
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: then they would know they'd cast you in their brain.

506
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Speaker 1: They're very good. They're amazing the producers. They produce a

507
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: really popular show. I mean, The Bachelor is a very

508
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: popular show for a reason. It's funny, it's hilarious. I

509
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: still watch it. I don't watch maps, but I do

510
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: watch The Bachelor, and it's sort of addictive and funny.

511
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: And even I fall into the trap of paying out

512
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: the girls or like laughing. And so many times I

513
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: sit with my husband and I say, like, why would

514
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 1: someone go on this? Any woman going this? That is

515
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: like fab you did. But I just have to remember

516
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: these people going it for a reason. It's I'm sure

517
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: many people have the dream of falling in love unless

518
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: they get the dud Vauchelotte like I did. Just like

519
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: it was just the worst Bachelor ever, Like, come on,

520
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: if I'm doing this, give me someone good.

521
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: We're touching on your blog, it's pretty impressive because you

522
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: worked your way up to work with the Kardashians.

523
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Speaker 3: Can you tell us a bit more about that?

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, So I had a blog for about seven years.

525
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: It was kind of something. I started it just as

526
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: like an online fashion journal. While I was at UNI.

527
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: I was kind of bored studying commerce law, and it

528
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: was a creative outlet for me. My dad has always

529
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: been in fashion I so I get a lot of

530
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: clothes from all the supplies that he would sell to,

531
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: and then very quickly built up quite a large following.

532
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: And I literally used to get shoes and bags and

533
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: accessories and everything just landing off on their doorstep from

534
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: every single PR company. They would I've got a photo,

535
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: I have to dig it up, but like piles and

536
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: piles of stuff to liver to my door and people

537
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: would expect me to blog it. And I was made.

538
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 1: This was like what I was doing for work at

539
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: the time, and making quite good money out of it.

540
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget. One day, the Kardashian collection arrived.

541
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: The whole bunch of stuff that was about four pairs

542
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: of shoes and three hand digs or something. They arrived

543
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: on my doorstep, and they called the PR company. And

544
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: it didn't want to sound bitchy or anything. There was

545
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: just like, hey guys, all this stuff's arrived on my doorstep.

546
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: We didn't really talk about it prior so idn't select it,

547
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: and my blog was quite genuine, very genuine, and I

548
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: wanted to ensure that what I blogged was stuff that

549
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: I liked. So I just kind of called them, was like, hey,

550
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: what is this stuff? And like what am I getting

551
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: out of this? Like if I do choose to post it,

552
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: like normally get paid for this kind of thing. So

553
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: I sent them my kids and whatever. Anyway, So a

554
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: couple of days later, after I'd posted it, Chloe Kardashian

555
00:25:54,200 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: actually posted it on her Instagram and my webs I

556
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: just went crazy. I've got a million hits to my

557
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: website in a couple of minutes. I was actually in

558
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: a meeting at the time, and when I got out,

559
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: like I just remember, so many of my friends like

560
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: messaging me like holy shit, oh my god, have you

561
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: seen this? Oh my god. And I didn't know what

562
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: they were talking about because they didn't screenshot or anything,

563
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: and they didn't mention Chloe or anything like that, so

564
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: I had no idea what was going on. And then

565
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: I went on my Instagram and just saw it completely explode.

566
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: And that's when I saw that Chloe had posted that.

567
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: I mean, this does not happen these days because she

568
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: would probably get I don't know, two hundred thousand dollars.

569
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: We like promoting someone or you know, a brand, so

570
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: I was pretty rare that I don't know. I was

571
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: shocked and I called the PR company. I was like, whoa, thanks,

572
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: like you guys organized. This was pretty cool for my

573
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: business and I was inundated with other brands wanted to

574
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: work with me, and that's kind of how my blog

575
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: really took off. So that was cool. And then after

576
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: that I just started blogging for the Kardashian Collection on Instagram.

577
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: That yeah, I would they would send me stuff, I

578
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: would photograph them, and then they would use the content

579
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: and post it about it and they would tag me,

580
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: so it was pretty cool. There was no money involved,

581
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: but it was a really cool collaboration where for a

582
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: few months they would promote me and I'll promote them,

583
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: but normally, you know, you're kind of featured on their

584
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: site as well, so it was pretty cool.

585
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: So how many extra followers do you get when one

586
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: of the kut ashy and shares your post?

587
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: It was crazy a watch. Yeah, as I mentioned, like

588
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: my website completely crashed. I actually ended up, like as

589
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: I mentioned, stopping my Instagram for four years, but a

590
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: lot of many thousands back in those days. She I

591
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: think Sally had like only but I think she had

592
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: like one point five million followers or something, so it's

593
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: not now like she has twenty five million. This was

594
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: years and years ago, so it was way before The Bachelor.

595
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: This would have been like when Instagram was not fresh,

596
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know, probably eight years ago now, so yeah,

597
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: to give you an idea, Yeah, she had on one

598
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: point three million followers or something, so I got a

599
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: fair few thousand. But yeah, after The Bachelor disabled it

600
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: all and kind of annoys me sometimes I wish I

601
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: kept it because well that's the other thing actually, when

602
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: you go on a Bachelor, As I mentioned, I went

603
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: on there to promote my blog, but it ended up

604
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: doing me a really bad injustice because I actually signed

605
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: a contract saying that I wouldn't post anything until I

606
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: was out of the mounsion and from the time that

607
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: you go in the mounsion till when it's released, sorry

608
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: to when it's released, I couldn't post till when it

609
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: actually aired. Wow, that was several months. Yeah, so I

610
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: think it was about seven months of not posting anything.

611
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: And as you can imagine, a blog relies on like

612
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: new contents. People come into my page and it was

613
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: just nothing there. I remember I put a post saying like,

614
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: hey guys, I'm I'm not going to be around for

615
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: a little while. Like I couldn't I couldn't close anything

616
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: because it was just like, hey, I'm taking a little

617
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: time out. It never came back, like six or seven months.

618
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: So The Bachelor actually was the worst thing for my

619
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 1: following because the whole thing in those days was to

620
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: just keep on, you know, putting content out there. So

621
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: it didn't help me at all. But yeah, the Kardashian

622
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: definitely did.

623
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: Does the does the contract say anything about dating? Are

624
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: you allowed to continue dating when the show's on?

625
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I definitely did. The second I got

626
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: out of that house, I called my now husband. I

627
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: was like, I'm an idiot. I don't know why.

628
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: I did.

629
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: Never have gotten that cop on that show. Please date me?

630
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: So did he we went on a date? Because did he? No?

631
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: He said he never did. I don't know. I don't

632
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: think he did. Honestly, he's just not interested in that stuff.

633
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: Like I dragged him to watch The Bachelor now, but

634
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: he hates it, so I honestly don't think I was

635
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: portrayed pretty like an idiot on there. I don't think

636
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: he would have dated me if he watched it. Watched

637
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: it nothing too bad, just like a superficial blogger, which

638
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: there is a lot more depth to me than just

639
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: fashion which if you see me now, I've got a kid,

640
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: I've always got like milk all over me. I'm not

641
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: very fashionable. It's not always what you see.

642
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now I've got to ask, because I was a

643
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: huge fan of Blake series of the Bachelor, and of

644
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: course it ended quite controversially with him proposing to Sam

645
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: Frost and then dumping her for Louise.

646
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: Did he propose to him?

647
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he proposed to Oh no, it was a third

648
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: season with the ugly ring, but yeah, she did propose

649
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Speaker 2: to her. Do you have any inside gos like was

650
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: that a huge surprise to you and the other contestants

651
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: when all of that happened.

652
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have inside gos. I was completely shocked.

653
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Speaker 1: I remember watching it with my roommate, who she's a

654
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: stider that she obviously knew, but she's completely couldn't say anything,

655
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Speaker 1: but I was shocked. I don't have any inside gos.

656
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Speaker 1: I honestly put it down to the fact that you

657
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: know you're on this show. You've always got cameras in

658
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: front of you. Everything's all amazing. You're normally going on

659
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: fancy day, it's really nice. You know you're being filmed,

660
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: so you're just not you got one hundred percent true natural,

661
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: like you're not seeing the bachelor on the couch in

662
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: his unbe kind of hanging out, you know, and like

663
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: this setting that is glamorous and lovely. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe when camera's off and stop rolling, I

665
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: don't know who knows what happened. And you know, when

666
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: you break up with someone, I guess you always think like, Okay,

667
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: well I had this really great bond with Louise, for instance,

668
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: maybe I can stir that back up. I have no

669
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: idea what happened, so I can't comment, but I guess

670
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things that maybe it didn't

671
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: work out with them. And yeah, if you ask me

672
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: if it was like all predecided. God, I hope not

673
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: that level of like manipulation. I don't think so, but

674
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: I can't comment. I don't know. To be fair, I

675
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: was shocked.

676
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: To be fair to Blake, it seems like they don't

677
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: actually know each other that well, so you could kind

678
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: of see if the one relationship wasn't working.

679
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: Again, if you don't know someone that well, don't propose

680
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: to them as well. Ye, you get very true.

681
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: You get like I totally agree that you don't know

682
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: them that well. For sure. You do not know them

683
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: in a natural true self in the natural environment. You know,

684
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: sometimes they're not even living in the same state, so

685
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: it's really awkward and you're like, Okay, now what with

686
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: like to move in with you? Like, how do you

687
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: even do? It? Is the long term thing, but the

688
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: producers definitely, Like I remember the first time I met Blake,

689
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: he had an earpiece in his ear, and he knew

690
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: a lot about me, like details like I don't know

691
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: I mentioned when we were in the lockdown at the

692
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Star City Casino before I went into the Mountaion. You're

693
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: interviewed and you tell them everything, like like you I

694
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: told him, I've got a teeny tiny little dot tattoo

695
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: literally on my ankle, Like Blake knew everything like he

696
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: had it, because how's probably expected to even remember everybody's names,

697
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's five or six new intruders, like I

698
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't remember five people's names, and another twenty in the house.

699
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: So like he's got a microphone, he had an airpiece,

700
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: like you don't know. Yeah, it's I don't know. My

701
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: best piece of advice go watch this show on stand

702
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: called Unreal. You will knack your head off. I mean

703
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: it's a little bit traumatized. That definitely don't go to

704
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 1: that extent.

705
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there were no drugs though, but yeah,

706
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: it will give you a t and I'm sure you

707
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: guys can imagine, like they stay like, oh, why don't

708
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: you propose?

709
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Speaker 1: It will make for such great ratings or I don't know,

710
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: maybe they had a sponsor with engagement ring that I

711
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: have no idea, but they definitely you get swept up

712
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: in it all. I'll say that much.

713
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: And apart from watching Stan, what would your last piece

714
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: of advice be for women who are applying for the

715
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: show this year?

716
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's different nowadays. I know a lot

717
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: of people want the fame, or they go in there

718
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: to promote the business or to just have the experience,

719
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: and all those things are fine. Or if you go

720
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: in there to find love like good luck. I don't know,

721
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: like it's an interesting way to find love, but it

722
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: has worked, so that's another valid reason. I guess it's

723
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: the premise of the show is to go in there

724
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: and find love. But just remember, like after, you know,

725
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna be like husually famous, and they

726
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: are very There are people who come out there big

727
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: followings that you do. You can become an influencer. That's

728
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: your dream, But I don't know, there's a lot modern

729
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: life than just being on a TV show. And I

730
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: had a great experience and I love being on the show.

731
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: It was funny. I wasn't in there for very long

732
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: and it's a story that I always have. But yeah,

733
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: just like you know, you've got to be pretty mentally

734
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: strong as well, and not everyone's going to like you

735
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: on the show. You might not come across what you think,

736
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wouldn't get too caught up in it

737
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: after and just don't replied all these trolls just to

738
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: get off Instagram. Why waste It's such a waste of life, Like,

739
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: go on there. I'm on that. I'm back on there

740
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: now because I've got a daughter I'm super proud of

741
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: and if you're so cute, and I enjoy a post

742
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: like real things that happen in my life. But just

743
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: be mindful. You're signing a life away. And when you

744
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: go on those shows, you have to remember that the

745
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: idea of the show is to get ratings and to

746
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: get people watching the show and enjoying the show. And

747
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: if you're happy to be a part of that, and

748
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: you don't mind how you're portrayed, go on it. It

749
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: was fun. I loved it. But you're not in control

750
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: of how you are portrayed as much as you feel

751
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: like you can be, or that you might not drink

752
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: alcohol like I did, or you know, you can still

753
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: be portrayed in other ways. And there's nothing damn drink

754
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: to me. I don't care how was portrayed. It was,

755
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't here, looked more there. It was fine. But

756
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: just be really mindful of what you are going into.

757
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: And also it's a huge commitment, like you've got to

758
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: quit your job or put your life on hold for

759
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: potentially several months, you know, like it's not unless you

760
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: go in and as an intruder. Oh that's pretty fun,

761
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: do that, brather, because I don't think intruders ever win,

762
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: and you know the bonds have already been formed. So

763
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: going in as an intruder I guess, but yeah, I mean,

764
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: be prepared to experience things that you've never seen or

765
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: you'll be battled. Keep a diary, it's really interesting to

766
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: look back on it later.

767
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining us. I've had

768
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: such a great time chatting with you, and I know

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Speaker 2: Sophie has two.

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Speaker 3: I loved all the thank you with us.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, column, We do hope.

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Speaker 3: You did enjoy listening to the show. If you did,

773
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Speaker 3: please leave us a review and as we said, just

774
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Speaker 3: be kind out there. Thank you so much for stay