Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. Thereby, Hey guys, welcome
Speaker 1: back to TV Reload. I want to thank you for
Speaker 1: clicking and downloading on today's episode with Ursula, one of
Speaker 1: this week's eliminated Australian Survivor players. This is the third
Speaker 1: week of Brains Versus Braun two and we did see
Speaker 1: another Braun player get booted, and we are going to
Speaker 1: get some hot takes on why Ursela was eliminated and
Speaker 1: what she thinks of this week's gameplay. Ursula will talk
Speaker 1: about her relationship with Nash and how that affected her
Speaker 1: game overall. Ursula will share what she thinks about Noonan
Speaker 1: and what she has to say will shock the average
Speaker 1: viewer by revealing where their friendship is. Now let me
Speaker 1: say it is not where you think it is. It
Speaker 1: is a little bit complicated. I find out about why
Speaker 1: those buffs were dropped early and what was actually happening
Speaker 1: on the Braun camp that wasn't welcomed by Ursula. You
Speaker 1: will get everything from Ursula's takes on the eliminated players
Speaker 1: this week, concluding Max what she thinks of that epic
Speaker 1: fase self challenge that we saw getting tied and who
Speaker 1: deserves to come back next year that's actually going to
Speaker 1: really surprise you. So there is actually so much to
Speaker 1: talk about. As per usual, guys, I'm a massive Survivor fan,
Speaker 1: So sit back and relaxes. We unpack the wonderful world
Speaker 1: of Australian Survivor, which is back this Sunday night, and
Speaker 1: let me tell you Week four. I am ready. How
Speaker 1: are you good?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm very well, you know, I'm I'm kind of shocked
Speaker 1: by your game plan. I'm just going to get right
Speaker 1: into this because when I saw you in the cast,
Speaker 1: I was like, she is a weapon. People are going
Speaker 1: to be so excited to have her because you just
Speaker 1: bring the strength. And then almost straight away it's like
Speaker 1: people didn't see that, they didn't see you for what
Speaker 1: you were worth. Did you feel like that?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: I mean I was targeted from the start, so yes,
Speaker 3: I did feel it.
Speaker 2: I did see it, but I.
Speaker 3: Fought for eighteen days, so I wasn't going to let
Speaker 3: it affect me.
Speaker 1: Now, you fought for eighteen days, like you survived. Yes,
Speaker 1: you were put up again and again. Does this happen
Speaker 1: to you in your real life? Because I'm looking at
Speaker 1: you right now and you look like so sweet and lovely.
Speaker 1: You do not look like someone who should have a
Speaker 1: target on their back.
Speaker 3: No, listen, I have copped it a little bit in
Speaker 3: my life, but you know, I just get up every
Speaker 3: day and I do what I need to do, and
Speaker 3: you know, it.
Speaker 2: Is what it is. Who cares.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to let anyone kind of bring me down,
Speaker 3: just not how I roll.
Speaker 1: Really, people in the forums kept saying that you played
Speaker 1: to emotionally. Do you think that there's any truth to that, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't see that as me reading you out some
Speaker 1: troll comments because I don't think that that's what it is.
Speaker 1: But I think I didn't see it like that when
Speaker 1: I was watching it. But then on reflection, maybe there's
Speaker 1: some truth in that for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think, particularly in those last two days, I was
Speaker 3: playing emotionally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's because there was there was a lot
Speaker 2: going on that.
Speaker 3: Wasn't shown, particularly how Noonan was treating me. So that
Speaker 3: was ultimately why I wanted her gone, and it showed
Speaker 3: because the public are also seeing it as well.
Speaker 1: I have to get into this noon and conversation, but
Speaker 1: I feel like just one beat ahead of where I
Speaker 1: need to start.
Speaker 2: With with some of these informations, we can wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do a separate podcast, the Noonan Podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh poor noon I feel like you.
Speaker 1: Go to sleep at night time and you'd be having
Speaker 1: nightmares about her. But Nash. People kept thinking about your
Speaker 1: relationship with Nash. If Nash wasn't there and he hadn't
Speaker 1: sort of orchestrated a relationship with you, things might have
Speaker 1: played out differently.
Speaker 2: For sure, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: He really advocated for me, and watching that first episode,
Speaker 3: I did not know. I mean, he tells me what
Speaker 3: he said, and he told me that he advocated for me,
Speaker 3: but really he can say whatever he wants because I
Speaker 3: will never know until the show is and I didn't,
Speaker 3: and I saw that he advocated for me, and I
Speaker 3: was just shocked by that. I really did not know,
Speaker 3: And I'm so blessed to have had him do that,
Speaker 3: because had he not, would have been me.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: You're not regretting that relationship with Nash then, oh absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's so weird was when I caught
Speaker 1: up with him, I full disclosure. I found him quite
Speaker 1: polarizing on the show. But when I caught up with him,
Speaker 1: I really brought into his energy and who he was
Speaker 1: as a person. You think there was some kind of
Speaker 1: a disconnect between Nash and who he is versus the
Speaker 1: personality we saw on the show.
Speaker 2: For sure, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: You know, even when the cameras weren't around, he made
Speaker 3: us all laugh. He kind of Anyone would say that
Speaker 3: all I did was crack up at him. You know,
Speaker 3: he'd make these one off comments or one line as
Speaker 3: while we're all laying in bed together, and I would
Speaker 3: just crack up. So he's definitely a little Nashy. I'll
Speaker 3: call him Nashi Pear because he's, you know, round in juice.
Speaker 2: He like a Nashi Pear. So you know, he's got
Speaker 2: all the goss, he's got all the laughter. That's what
Speaker 2: I call him, Nashi Pears, So you know that's exactly
Speaker 2: how he is.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like, then we need to step into
Speaker 1: this doing and thing really quickly, because you know, we've
Speaker 1: only got twenty minutes, and I feel like this Bible
Speaker 1: X twenty minutes. But what do you think was the
Speaker 1: biggest problem with your relationship with Noonan, Because it really
Speaker 1: did set itself up for this ongoing rivalry.
Speaker 3: I mean from the start, and I would say this
Speaker 3: all the time, particularly to Petere and Kristen. She's just
Speaker 3: fake and that's fine. She can go into the game
Speaker 3: being fake. If that's the game she wants to play,
Speaker 3: then that's fine. That that good on her. But it
Speaker 3: really shined through while she was playing the game, and
Speaker 3: it's shined through on the TV.
Speaker 1: Well. I just want to say, fake is a It's
Speaker 1: a big thing to throw out there, sure, because like
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I see her as maybe the
Speaker 1: younger sibling of some more dominant personalities, and over time
Speaker 1: she may have learnt to be loud to be heard,
Speaker 1: and I think that that still can be who you are.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you're saying fake in those terms,
Speaker 1: or do you think that she was fake in sort
Speaker 1: of misrepresenting herself.
Speaker 3: She would say one thing to me and then say
Speaker 3: another thing to someone else.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, we saw that.
Speaker 2: Yes, So that's what I mean by fake.
Speaker 3: If we were all in a group, she would act
Speaker 3: a type of way and then act a different type
Speaker 3: of way when she was with others, And.
Speaker 2: I think that that was mostly only with me.
Speaker 1: Do you know what My theory on this though, is
Speaker 1: for you is that I think can secure people in
Speaker 1: social situations picked the weakest person in their mind to
Speaker 1: sort of mock in a weird way them be elevated.
Speaker 1: And I wondered whether or not that's something that Nonan
Speaker 1: was doing with you, was that you were probably the
Speaker 1: weakest link out of everybody in an obvious way, so
Speaker 1: it was fine for her to elevate herself by pushing
Speaker 1: you down.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Oh yeah, for sure, Okay, for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't have this.
Speaker 3: I didn't have those connections straight off the bat with people.
Speaker 2: But as the days.
Speaker 3: Went on, the role reverse, so I really started gaining
Speaker 3: some real relationships. And I mean the alliance that she
Speaker 3: was in the kind of pushed her out a little bit,
Speaker 3: just prior to tribe swap, and she wasn't all what
Speaker 3: she made out to be. So I mean, I love her.
Speaker 2: You know, I've had friends in the real world.
Speaker 1: Are you talking in.
Speaker 2: The mill like I've had her at my house?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, did you poison learn to get the mushrooms
Speaker 1: out to secretly poison her?
Speaker 3: No? But honestly, since my elimination, there's it's been a
Speaker 3: bit rough because obviously she hasn't had very good feedback
Speaker 3: from the public. But as I've said, we go into
Speaker 3: the game knowing that we're going to be portrayed in
Speaker 3: any way, shape or form. You went into the game
Speaker 3: being that type of person, so you have to accept
Speaker 3: the backlash.
Speaker 1: God's a lot to swallow for her, though, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, Yeah, it's a really hard
Speaker 1: thing going on reality TV because it isn't as straightforward
Speaker 1: as this is a true mirror about yourself, and she
Speaker 1: is lovely. So you're saying she's fake on the show
Speaker 1: and then you found her to be real in real life.
Speaker 1: This is interesting.
Speaker 3: Oh no, No, I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: Because you don't have a camera to play back what
Speaker 1: she says when she leaves your house, thank you exactly.
Speaker 2: I have tried to do the right thing.
Speaker 3: I've invited her to my house, I've made food for her.
Speaker 3: But you know, I still feel the same way I
Speaker 3: felt on the show.
Speaker 1: But I would say that you knowing that you had
Speaker 1: such this is how I would play the game, and
Speaker 1: who cares what I think? But I wonder whether or
Speaker 1: not having such an outstanding beef something that's going on,
Speaker 1: shouldn't you just tidy it away, like that's what I
Speaker 1: think i'd probably do.
Speaker 2: I tried, and I actually tried on several.
Speaker 1: Occasions, and you were like, this ain't happening.
Speaker 3: No, she just kept on lying to me and saying, yes, yes, yes, Sola,
Speaker 3: let's do this, yes, yes, yes, you know, but it
Speaker 3: never happened.
Speaker 1: Well, we should talk about that lying, because was she
Speaker 1: lying when she said Karen's name, Because you scoffed very
Speaker 1: loudly in that tribal council when she threw you under
Speaker 1: the bus, and you'd thrown her name up lying again.
Speaker 2: Then okay, I'll tell you the full story here.
Speaker 3: So Paulie actually came to me and said, hey, this
Speaker 3: is what we should do, and told me that whole story.
Speaker 3: And then Noonan came over separately, and then I relaid
Speaker 3: that story that Paulie gave to me, and she made
Speaker 3: it out like it was mine. We've all spoken about
Speaker 3: it since the show. Paulie admitted it at my house
Speaker 3: that it was his idea. But apparently I'm hearing that
Speaker 3: he's he's.
Speaker 2: Saying no, no, no, I didn't. I didn't. That wasn't
Speaker 2: my idea. So you know whatever, let him have it
Speaker 2: and let them have it. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I just love this. This is it's still going on,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: This is absolutely If they want to choose to believe them,
Speaker 3: then that's fine. I've been known to be a truth teller,
Speaker 3: They've been known to lies.
Speaker 1: So let's all lead to believe we're all just maying
Speaker 1: ourselves right now.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: But you predicted all of this so accurately. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever had an exit interview that
Speaker 1: goes for thirty seconds that sums up people so accurately,
Speaker 1: Like did you for off over yourself when you said
Speaker 1: all of those things? Because you ticked a lot of boxes.
Speaker 1: You're like, Noonan's not who she says she is, Paul's
Speaker 1: not who he says he is, and AJ's controlling the camp.
Speaker 3: Goodbye, Listen, I always say, and I say it all
Speaker 3: the time, people's true colors will always shine through, regardless
Speaker 3: how fake they're being. And for those three, I've picked it,
Speaker 3: and you know, I think I picked it right bang.
Speaker 1: On the money. I wonder whether or not this series
Speaker 1: is setting up this is all fresh cast of newbies.
Speaker 1: I wonder whether or not this series honed in on
Speaker 1: some rivalries happening to bring you guys back, because do
Speaker 1: you think there's any truth in this? In my theory,
Speaker 1: Kent and Max Kent Burt Max's hat, they're definitely coming back.
Speaker 1: There's a rivalry, come on, and now Max is gone
Speaker 1: and Kent's gone. You know that's what it is. You
Speaker 1: have this rivalry with Noonan. So I feel like the
Speaker 1: four of you could easily come back for another series
Speaker 1: of Survivor called rivals. Could we be onto something?
Speaker 2: I mean, give me a time, a date, and I'll
Speaker 2: be there.
Speaker 1: Would you go back so easily? Because it's a firstful environment.
Speaker 1: You know, I have.
Speaker 3: Said, I've said this to Noon and I've messaged her
Speaker 3: and said to her, this is not over. If they
Speaker 3: ever want to the police rivalry or if they ever
Speaker 3: want us back on, it's on.
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm ready. I mean, it's not over. She got
Speaker 3: me in the end, but we'll see how long she lasts.
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll see how long she lives.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like maybe that it might have been
Speaker 1: too early to drop the buffs. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the buffs Maybe I'm not as big a Survivor officionado
Speaker 1: as I think I am. But it felt very soon,
Speaker 1: like very early in the game. What's your theory as
Speaker 1: to why that happened so early?
Speaker 2: Yes, so it was definitely early on in game, and I.
Speaker 3: Think that's because there was just not much gameplay going
Speaker 3: on at all in the bron Tribe. It was really
Speaker 3: hard to There was a group of six Alliance and
Speaker 3: it was really hard for myself, PD and Kristen to
Speaker 3: ruffle any feathers.
Speaker 2: They just were not budgeting and that's a boring game.
Speaker 2: Let's face it.
Speaker 3: Who wants to watch six people singing Kumbai behind a
Speaker 3: camp you know around it?
Speaker 1: Well, not on this show.
Speaker 3: No, you go on there to play a game, to
Speaker 3: be controversial, to stab people in the back.
Speaker 2: Why else would you go on the game?
Speaker 1: Well, they're different shows. I mean like the Jungle I'm
Speaker 1: a Celebrity is a bit like that. You know, everyone
Speaker 1: goes into the Jungle to win that game. You need
Speaker 1: to sit around and tell your sad story and relate
Speaker 1: to people and you know, get along. Where with this one,
Speaker 1: it's on the box, it's on the tin. It's like
Speaker 1: live chat and steel and you.
Speaker 3: Will get absolutely, absolutely absolutely I am one hundred percent
Speaker 3: on the same page, And I said that sometimes we'd
Speaker 3: all be sitting around the campfire and I remember pulling
Speaker 3: these faces and I'm thinking, what am I doing here
Speaker 3: listening to these people rap and sing and playing clapping games.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Well, and you're like, what show did you guys sign
Speaker 1: up for? You know, then going home early. I wonder
Speaker 1: whether or not the dynamics of what was planned for
Speaker 1: this show got thrown out of whack because he was,
Speaker 1: you know, presenting himself as to be quite strong. Do
Speaker 1: you think that there's a possibility that, you know, early on,
Speaker 1: if someone leaves, they should try and replace them. Should
Speaker 1: they have a couple of spare survivor castaways ready to
Speaker 1: replace someone like that so early on, because it did
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, having him have his accident and
Speaker 1: then fall out, that it kind of upset the dynamic
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, it could be just me.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could have some castaways on the side
Speaker 3: ready to go for me. I mean, I was upset
Speaker 3: that he'd gone out the way he did, but at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I was at the bottom,
Speaker 3: so it was one less person I had to convince
Speaker 3: to kind of, you know, be on my side. I
Speaker 3: hope he gets another chance because he was gone way
Speaker 3: too quickly, and I really think that he had so
Speaker 3: much more to give because he was He actually even
Speaker 3: had quite a similar gameplay to Nash, except I think
Speaker 3: he was a little bit more calculated and he didn't
Speaker 3: show that side of him that much.
Speaker 2: To most of the cast members.
Speaker 3: So I think he would have done really well had
Speaker 3: that not have happened.
Speaker 1: And it really leans into the ongoing debate about challenges
Speaker 1: on Survivor. I'm always like, make them really hard, you know,
Speaker 1: make them really stressful.
Speaker 2: But unless you have to go one on one with me, then.
Speaker 1: Shit, I mean, I'm going to tell you. I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you. So I was watching you in that
Speaker 1: challenge with the music and everything, and I it was
Speaker 1: so intense, Like, you know which challenge I'm talking about
Speaker 1: is that the challenge with Karen holy Manoli. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is like you know when you're stumbling across TikTok
Speaker 1: or Instagram and you see of like two snakes fighting
Speaker 1: where it's like I don't even know who's going to
Speaker 1: survive this. That's what it was like for me.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's what it was like living it and
Speaker 3: watching it. It was unreal and I didn't actually know
Speaker 3: that it went for that long. And I suppose while
Speaker 3: we're there on that platform, you don't realize that we're fighting,
Speaker 3: that you're fighting for that long. The thing is is
Speaker 3: that we're both as stubborn as each other. We were
Speaker 3: not going to let either win. So but I think
Speaker 3: it's going to go down in Survivor history as one
Speaker 3: of the biggest and the best challenges.
Speaker 1: I'm going to co sign on that one. I'm co
Speaker 1: signing that it was for sure. He was so epic.
Speaker 1: I think I watched it twice and I just was
Speaker 1: like both times I had the same reaction. It was
Speaker 1: sort of jaw to the floor. Before we move on
Speaker 1: and I lose time with you, we need to talk
Speaker 1: about the two other people that I've left this week,
Speaker 1: because everyone will want to know your perspective on that.
Speaker 1: With Rich, I've heard on the grapevine he was a
Speaker 1: bit disappointed with the fact that he's come out. But
Speaker 1: with Rich, do you think it was a bit rich
Speaker 1: that he said in his exit interview that he was
Speaker 1: just about to get spicy, Because that sort of pisses
Speaker 1: me off with reality TV people when they're leaving and
Speaker 1: they go, oh, I'm sad that I've gone, because you know,
Speaker 1: I was just about to get spicy, you know, like.
Speaker 2: You should have already been spicy.
Speaker 3: But I saw him already being spicy. He was a
Speaker 3: bit of a snake, and I kind of get why
Speaker 3: people didn't like him.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, that's why we
Speaker 3: go on the game. We go on to be spicy,
Speaker 3: we go on to be a certain type of person,
Speaker 3: and he was that certain type of person. Maybe it
Speaker 3: wasn't as spicy as what it could have been had
Speaker 3: he been there a little bit longer.
Speaker 2: The thing is is we all want to get to Merge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you do.
Speaker 3: Downplay it a little bit. And even that was my
Speaker 3: game plan too, Okay. I wanted to kind of be
Speaker 3: quiet and lay low, and unfortunately.
Speaker 2: At backfired because I just wanted to get to Merge.
Speaker 2: Come Merge.
Speaker 3: I would have unleashed, and I think I did start
Speaker 3: to unleash there a little bit with mernin It's just.
Speaker 1: For me, Like if I was to order some hot
Speaker 1: spicy chicken from KFC, and the piece of chicken I've
Speaker 1: eaten was then to say I was going to be spicy,
Speaker 1: I'd be disappointed.
Speaker 3: But sure, absolutely, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we also want to get to a certain point in
Speaker 3: the game. And that's for Aj too. He hasn't been
Speaker 3: spicy up until now. It's just like the draw really, and.
Speaker 1: Then we've got Max. You'd be watching Max and you'd
Speaker 1: be looking at sort of this week he all of
Speaker 1: a sudden became like Jim Kerry Ace Ventura, Like what
Speaker 1: I mean, great television, my friend, and for sure so entertaining,
Speaker 1: but way to blow up your game a little bit,
Speaker 1: don't you think?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And unfortunately he went on with an idol. He
Speaker 3: should have used it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really is like that in real life too, because.
Speaker 3: He's just that really loud bubblea kind of you know,
Speaker 3: ready to go attitude. And I think he did have
Speaker 3: so much more to give. I mean, as I said,
Speaker 3: it's just like the drawer. Unfortunately, Yeah, I hope he
Speaker 3: does get a second chance, because he really was coming through.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was very entertaining. I got to say that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was really shocked for them to even
Speaker 1: for him to.
Speaker 2: A bit popular with the girls. They love him.
Speaker 1: Yes, do you know, I know this is a terrible
Speaker 1: thing to say. I'm probably gonna have to cut this
Speaker 1: out of the podcast, but I thought he was gay
Speaker 1: and then when I I found out that he's no
Speaker 1: straight and he's going out with someone who's like, he's
Speaker 1: like an older lady or something, and I was like.
Speaker 2: He does do you like the older girl too? Yes?
Speaker 3: Actually originally from Cambrian. When he came here we ended
Speaker 3: up going out together. I'm like, oh, I can see
Speaker 3: why the girl's like him.
Speaker 2: He's charming. He's really just yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm charmed. I'm charmed. I mean he could be a
Speaker 1: little bit too much for me.
Speaker 3: And he looks even better with his shirt off, just
Speaker 3: like Kaylin does.
Speaker 1: This is a different podcast now. I am so loving
Speaker 1: chatting to you. But the last question I ask everybody
Speaker 1: that joins the podcast is what is something from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, something that we didn't get a chance to see?
Speaker 1: And I thought about asking you this question when you
Speaker 1: did your exit interview. Do you get did that just
Speaker 1: fly off the cuff for you? Did you just say that?
Speaker 1: Like how long are you recording that for? Because that
Speaker 1: is the best thirty seconds of Survivor this season just
Speaker 1: now there on to the wall.
Speaker 3: We don't even have time to think because we're eliminated.
Speaker 2: We're gone.
Speaker 3: We've gone from tribal counsel to a chair and then
Speaker 3: to that exit in you and it's just like lights everywhere,
Speaker 3: cameras everywhere, and you're just like, oh, I don't even
Speaker 3: have time to process my emotions because I've just.
Speaker 2: Been voted out and here I am being blasted.
Speaker 3: With questions, so you don't have time to think that.
Speaker 3: It's just becomes naturally to me to just be.
Speaker 1: Like that, I love it.
Speaker 3: And there that's the entertaining Ursula that that really didn't
Speaker 3: come out or play out on the screens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I was. That's how I was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm ordering a second serving of Ursula. So
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm up for it. I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that to you because you're on
Speaker 1: the podcast. I genuinely have put on my bingo card
Speaker 1: that Max Kent Ursula and Nonan are definitely kind I
Speaker 1: hope so.
Speaker 3: And with all the drama that Noonan and I have, curiously,
Speaker 3: I do love her and I would one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Go back on the game to get in you The feud.
Speaker 1: A sequel to your storyline is like the sequel to
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz Wicked A four hour two part
Speaker 1: one bring on two movies. Amazing. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being so generous with your time and chatting with
Speaker 1: me today. I've had a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it.