1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Already and this this is the Daily This is the 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of May. I'm Emma Gillespie. 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm Zara Seidler. 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: Imagine the Olympic Games, except every competitor at those games 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: are on performance enhancing drugs. Enter the Enhanced Games. And 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: while the announcement of such a competition caused quite the 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: stir last year, prompting many to question its feasibility, we 10 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: now know the Enhanced Games will go ahead in a 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: year's time. In fact, and in today's deep dive, we're 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: going to take you through the latest on the Enhanced Games, 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: from this launch announcement to one of the games hopefuls 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: who's already set a new and technically illegal world record, 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: and everything in between. 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: Forgive me for interrupting the flow of today's podcast, but 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: I did just want to shout out before we start 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: that it's been again the best month of podcasts that 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: The Daily Oels has ever had, and the way that 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: this podcast grows is by you hitting follow and telling 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: all of your friends to hit follow on whatever podcast 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: platform you all listen on. We so appreciate your support. 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: And now let's get into it. And from that intro alone, 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: I'm hooked. I want to know everything there is to 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: know about the Enhanced Games. This is one of those 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: stories that people feel very strongly about. Yep, on both sides. 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: I think we could have done a whole podcast and 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: the pros and cons of what people believe of this. 29 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: But perhaps let's start at the beginning. Talk to me 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: about the premise of the Enhanced Games. 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: Yes, so it's actually the brainchild of an Australian. Aaron 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: Dessouza is a Melbourne businessman and he is the president 33 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,639 Speaker 2: and founder of the Enhanced Games, and he's been working 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: to bring this vision to life of a professional athletics 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: and swimming and weightlifting competition without drug testing. So athletes 36 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: who participate will actually be given access to performance enhancing 37 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: drugs under medical supervision of the Games, but they'll only 38 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: have access to drugs that are legally prescribed, so drugs 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: that are illegal according to Global Sporting Bodies, but not 40 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,559 Speaker 2: illicit drugs under. 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: A lot of recreational drugs. Exactly good to get that 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: out early in the podcast, I think, I mean, I 43 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: have so many questions but I'll do them in order. 44 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: Why does the founder and now president? I love when 45 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: founders become presidents immediately that could be I am the 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: president of the Daily Odds. Why does this man want 47 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: to put these games on? 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: So it's all about for him testing the upper limits 49 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: of human performance, basically seeing what is possible, seeing what 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: the human form is capable of on the pool, in 51 00:02:59,200 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: the track, et cetera. 52 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a real trend at the moment, 53 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: specifically among a certain cohort of men billion It's like 54 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: lunch correct about this longevity push and how we can 55 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: push our bodies to live the longest life the best. 56 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So DSUSA is I would say, in that category. 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: And he spoke at this launch event this month where 58 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 2: he said, quote, the enhanced games are not just a competition, 59 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: They're a movement. We're embracing the full spectrum of human potential, 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: and that begins with transparency, science and choice. The time 61 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: is now. 62 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: It really is such a fascinating premise. I'm curious about 63 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: the people who are participating though, because I would assume 64 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: that if you're participating and you're taking these drugs again 65 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: under supervision, but you are then I presume ruling yourself 66 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: out of other elite sports if you're taking these drugs. 67 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: So who's participating here? 68 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: So the short answer is about money for these athletes 69 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: in terms of the why they would participate. And I 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: think it's particularly appealing to retired athletes as well. If 71 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: they've already pushed themselves as far as they can go 72 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: in professional elite careers, if they've already tried Olympics, they've 73 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: tried to be the best in their field. This is 74 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: a different sort of opportunity that doesn't exclude them from 75 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 2: any competition. The Games are backed by several wealthy investors, 76 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: so we're talking about people like Donald Trump Junior, the 77 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: US president's son, the billionaire PayPal co founder Peter Tiel. 78 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: And with that backing, the Enhanced Games is offering a 79 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: one million US dollar incentive, so that's just over one 80 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: and a half million Aussie dollars for any athlete who 81 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: can break the one hundred meter sprint and the fifty 82 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: meter freestyle world records as part of the Enhanced Games program. 83 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: So these are track and swimming events, and if you're 84 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: a retired athlete, that is an enticing offer and it's 85 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: exactly why we've heard some athletes who have already put 86 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: their hands up say that they want to compete, like 87 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: Australian swimmer James Magnuson. He's a two time Olympian who 88 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: won silver in the one hundred meter free of the 89 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: twenty twelve London Olympics. He's been pretty much the face 90 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: of the Enhanced Games since he signed up last year, 91 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 2: and he was incentivized by that promise of a prize 92 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: for beating the fifty meter record. 93 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: So, just to be clear, we're not seeing current elite 94 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: athletes putting their hands up for this because they are 95 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: not able then to compete at an elite level in 96 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: more mainstream races. 97 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: Right, not yet, but with these monetary incentives, and we'll 98 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: get into a few more of them in a bit, 99 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: maybe if you are in the middle of the pack 100 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 2: of your current sport, if you're ranked highly, but you 101 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: know you're kind of out of metal contention, maybe this 102 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: will be enough to convince you to switch. 103 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 1: I want to talk about that promise of prize money 104 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: because the reason we're talking about this is because it 105 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: was in the news last week that prize money for 106 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: the fifty meter record has already been announced exactly. 107 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: So last week we heard news from the Enhanced Games 108 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: organizers that Enhanced Games athlete Christian Golamev has already been 109 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: awarded one million US dollars for breaking the fifty meter 110 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: freestyle record as part of the Enhanced Games program. 111 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: So Enhanced Games haven't happened. 112 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: Yet exactly, but he has already signed on and he's 113 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: been working with Enhanced Games organizers and professionals under this 114 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: kind of doping program. So he's been doping under supervision. 115 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: He's a four time Olympian himself. But in February this year, 116 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: he swam the fifty meter freestyle in twenty point eight 117 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: nine seconds to break the world record, which is twenty 118 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 2: point nine one seconds, so two millisecond gap. There. He 119 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: was using performance enhancing drugs, as I mentioned, during that swim. 120 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: He was also interestingly wearing a swimsuit that's not approved 121 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: by FENA, that's swimming's governing body. You might remember a 122 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: while ago the controversy around these supersuits. Yeah, so he 123 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: was wearing band swimmers, but. 124 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: Because they make you or it's alleged they can make 125 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: you swim fast exactly. 126 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: But the legal world record, which was set in two 127 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: thousand and nine by Brazil's Caesar Clo still stands at 128 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: twenty point nine to one seconds, but Yellow set that 129 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: record in a supersuit in that same swimming costume, So 130 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: a little bit of fun trivia there for you. That 131 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: record won't be recognized by World Aquatics, the recent one 132 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: from the Greek swimmer, but it's good enough for the 133 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: Enhanced Games, and he's been awarded that big prize, which 134 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: means Magnuson has missed that opportunity, but he's sorry. 135 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: I still can't get my head around this though. Yeah, 136 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: the Games haven't happened. The game they have already awarded. 137 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: Like what if Magnuson were to swim faster down the track. 138 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: Then he can get the million himself. But he did, 139 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: He did have a crack at it recently, and he's 140 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: two seconds off the mark, so he is pretty far off. 141 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: I would say two seconds is a lifetime when we're 142 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: talking to world records. 143 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: We'll be back with the rest of today's deep dive 144 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: after a short message from our sponsor. 145 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: So Magnuson has missed out on that opportunity, but he's 146 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: still going to compete at the Games, and he'll still 147 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: be paid for his participation. According to the Enhanced Games website, 148 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: all competitors will be quote fairly compensated. It said, we 149 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: are pleased to confirm that top tier athletes will receive 150 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: a six figure base salary. Specifically, the winner of each 151 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: event will receive two hundred and fifty thousand US dollars, 152 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: and there's that world record fee, but also other world 153 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: records broken in other events will receive a two hundred 154 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars Bonus athletes lot also going to 155 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: be paid appearance fees for their participation, So even just 156 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: for showing up, you stand to make at least six figures. 157 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: Wow. It's really fascinating and one of the things that 158 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: I was looking at last week there were photos posted 159 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: of James Magnuson before he took performance enhancing drugs and afterwards, 160 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: and the transformation that his body has been through throughout 161 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: this process is just crazy. 162 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: It's so significant, and that's obviously spurred on controversy in 163 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 2: debates arounding the ethics of the whole thing completely. 164 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: I want to know, though we've obviously seen and heard 165 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: a lot about James Magnuson, you said that he has 166 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: really become the face of this. Are there any other 167 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: Ossy athletes that we're expecting to see compete in the 168 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: Enhanced Games? 169 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: So interestingly, there is another Ossie who has hitched his 170 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: wagon to the Enhanced Games, and that is two time 171 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: Olympic swimmer Brett Hawk. He won't be competing, but he 172 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: has been named as the head swimming coach for the 173 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: Enhanced Games. He's a former Olympian. His best result was 174 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: sixth in the fifty meter freestyle at the two thousand 175 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: and four Olympics. He is reportedly going to earn two 176 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand US dollars a year for his 177 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: that's three hundred and eighty thousand Australian dollars per year. 178 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: So we know there are two Aussies going to be 179 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: involved in some form, and of course the founder of 180 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: the Enhanced Games is an Aussie, so plenty of Australian 181 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: representation and there could be more names to come. 182 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Now, m you mentioned a launch event last week. What 183 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: did we learn from that event? Because between Enhanced Games 184 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: first being announced and then the launch event, it had 185 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: been quite a while and I sent me forgotten about it. 186 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: If I'm to be honest, what do we learn from 187 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: the event. 188 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: So what we learned from the event is that the 189 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: Enhanced Games are going to take place for the first 190 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: time next year in Las Vegas, over four days in May. 191 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: So this time next year, to be precise, and speaking 192 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: from Vegas, Desusa said, in fifty years, we'll look back 193 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: and realize that biology was never the ceiling, it was 194 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: only the starting line. He said, We'll be faster, exactly. 195 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: It's all very souza. He said, we'll be stronger, we'll 196 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: be younger for longer, and will wonder why it took 197 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: so long for society to catch up to science. And 198 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: during that address we also heard more about the event 199 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: lineup for the Enhanced Games. So the inaugural Games will 200 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: feature a pretty small program. There'll be full swimming event 201 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: fifty to one hundred meter freestyle and butterfly. Track and 202 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: field will feature the one hundred meter sprint and two 203 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: hurdles events, and weightlifting will also be on the schedule. 204 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: We've gotten this far through the podcast without talking about 205 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: any of the opposition to the Enhanced Games, and it 206 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: would be irresponsible of us not to highlight that there 207 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: is very strong opposition from across the Sporting World to 208 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: this project. Can you just outline to me what the 209 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: concerns are and where they're coming from. 210 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: I think it's a particularly Australian gripe, this anti doping stuff. 211 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: We have seen our own athletes protest against swimmers from China, 212 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 2: for example, over concerns of eating and unfair competition. The 213 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: concept of the Enhanced Games has certainly sparked significant debate, 214 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: and global organizations have flagged these concerns over athlete well being, 215 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 2: whether that's physical health or mental health, and these concerns 216 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: around what taking prohibited substances might do to those athletes. 217 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: The Enhanced Games has pushed back against these concerns. It 218 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: says all of its athletes will undergo health testing, blood tests, 219 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: heart and brain screening. But it's fair to say bodies 220 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: like World Aquatics have been scathing. It called the Enhanced 221 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: Games a circus built on shortcuts. A statement from swimming's 222 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: world governing body said, quote, the enduring power of athletes 223 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: to serve as role models for children and adults alike 224 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: relies on their talent, hard work, respect and friendship. That's 225 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 2: what we see in our champions and in our competitions, 226 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 2: and that's what we will continue to showcase. TDA actually 227 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 2: reached out to Sport Integrity Australia CEO David Sharp last 228 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: when there was a bit of conversation about the Enhanced Games. 229 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: He called this idea of the Games grossly irresponsible and 230 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 2: said quote the use of performance enhancing substances poses an 231 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: unacceptable health risk to athletes, and the US Anti Doping 232 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: Authority has accused the events organizers of looking to make 233 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: a quick buck at the expense of kids across the 234 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: world thinking they need to dope to chase their dreams. 235 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 2: Desuza reiterated at this launch event in Vegas that rigorous 236 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: protocols will ensure that athletes are safe and that the 237 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: event can go off effectively and ethically. He also announced 238 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: an upcoming line of performance products and said the Enhanced 239 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: Games is laying the foundation for a healthier, stronger, longer future, 240 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: one built on science, safety and self determination. That theme 241 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: of self determination has really come up time and time again. 242 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: They're saying, you know, this is a choice. We're being 243 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: transparent about this. It's up to the athletes. So whatever happens, 244 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: it's going to be fascinating to watch and as we 245 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: learn more about qualification and who else is going to participate. 246 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: We will be sure to keep you guys updated. 247 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: I am genuinely very invested in finding out whether this 248 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: will be a one off or whether we are heading 249 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: towards this direction and this world that the founder speaks of, 250 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: where that is normalized. You know. Yeah, from here it 251 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: seems impossible to imagine a future where athletes are openly doping, 252 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: but perhaps you know that's where the future is going, 253 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: and this will be one step. We'll have to see 254 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: what happens. 255 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: It's really evolved the conversation from I think we always 256 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: talk about every Olympics. When we see world records get 257 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: smashed time and time again, you do think how much 258 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: further can we take it? 259 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: How much faster can we get? 260 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,359 Speaker 2: And this is just sending those conversations into the stratosphere. 261 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: It absolutely is well and thank you so much for 262 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: explaining that. Thank you and thank you for joining us 263 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: for another episode of the Daily OS. We will of 264 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: course be back with the headlines later today, but until then, 265 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: Happy Monday. My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a 266 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalkadin woman from Gadighl Country. 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