1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily Art. This 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: is the Daily os. Oh, now it makes sense. Good 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: morning and welcome to the Daily ODS. It is Friday, 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: the twenty eighth of June. Thank goodness, it's Friday. I 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: am Billy, I'm Lucy. This week Hobart's Museum of Old 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: and New Art MONA announced it was putting some Percasso 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: paintings in the women's bath room. In today's deep Dive, 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: we'll explain how this came to be. But first, Billy, 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: what's making headlines. The number of recorded sexual assaults in 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Australia has reached its highest point in thirty one years. 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. It found that 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: over thirty six thousand victim survivors reported sexual assaults or 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: police in twenty twenty three. This is an eleven percent 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: increase from the previous year. Of the reported sexual assaults, 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: the ABS found that around eighty five percent were female 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: and the most common age at the time of sexual 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: assault was from ten to seventeen years old. The ACT 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: has reported its first case of bird flu on a farm. 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: It comes after cases of the virus were detected in 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: Victoria and New South Wales. The territory government was investigating 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: the case on Wednesday and confirmed the virus to be 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: avian influenza on Thursday. The bird flu strain detected in 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: New South Wales is different to the Victoria strain, but 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: the act and New South Wales strains are the same. 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: The Biosecurity Department said bird flu was detected at a 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: commercial farm and that it's quote not a food safety concern. 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: US President Joe Biden and Donald Trump are going head 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: to head later today in the first presidential debate for 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Biden and Trump are the presumptive nominees 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: for their respective parties, the Democrats and Republicans. The debate 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: will be hosted by the American news platform CNN, and 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: unlike their previous debates in twenty twenty, there won't be 33 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: an audience in attendance. And today's good news, first patient 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: to get a brain device implanted for epilepsy has seen 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 1: an eighty percent reduction in siezures in a world first trial. 36 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: Twelve year old Orran received the implant in operation last year. 37 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: Before receiving the device, he experienced seizures numerous times a day. 38 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Eight months later, the now thirteen year old has seen 39 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: his siezus quote dramatically reduced in frequency and severity. The 40 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: UK based study is measuring the effectiveness of this treatment 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: for children with epilepsy. Oran's mum said the quality of 42 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: life improvement has been invaluable for her son, So Lucy. 43 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: This story about Mona has been talked about in the 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: dally O's office for months now. Everyone seems to be 45 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: absolutely obsessed with it when a new development happens. But 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: somehow I think I missed the initial story about this. 47 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Can we start by just explaining what actually is Mona. Yeah, 48 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about Hobart's Museum of Older New Art, which 49 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: opened in January twenty eleven and is run by David Walsh, 50 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: who says he funded it with gambling winning. It's interesting, 51 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: it's dedicated to sex and to death, and it has 52 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: significantly boosted tourism to Tasmania just by itself. I have 53 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: been to Tasmania one time and I have been there 54 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: with my family. Well, of course, if you've heard of Mona, 55 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: of course you've also heard of the winter festival Dark Mofo, 56 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: which is run out of there. You've probably seen headlines 57 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: over the years about some of its more controversial exhibitions. So, 58 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: for example, a few years ago, Spanish artist Santiago Sierra 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: planned to put together an artwork where he was asking 60 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: for First Nations people to send in their blood so 61 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: that he could submerge a Union jack into It didn't 62 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 1: end up going ahead, but remember those headlines very well. 63 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: And if none of that rings a bell, another way 64 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: you might have heard of it is through photos on 65 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: social media, because it's quite famous for it's an influencer spot. Really, 66 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people may have seen its Wall of 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: Vaginas or what it officially calls the Great Wall of Vagina. 68 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: And another thing that you might recognize from Mona is 69 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: word waterfall, where it has words made of water literally 70 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: falling from the ceiling. But Lucy, my understanding of why 71 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: we are talking about it today is because of its 72 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: Lady's lounge, So what can you tell me about that? 73 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: That's right. Curator Kersha Kshell launched a curtained off space 74 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: at the museum in twenty twenty, inspired by her great grandmother, 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: featuring some Picasso paintings and staffed by a male butler, 76 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: and he was the only man allowed in the space. 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: And like you, said it was called the Lady's Lounge. 78 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: To quote from court proceedings, which will get you in 79 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: a minute. Inside the Lady's Lounge are artworks that may 80 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: only be viewed within the Lady's Lounge. It is itself 81 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: an artwork, but it contains other significant artworks. The attendant 82 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: permits entry to the Lady's Lounge only by ladies. You 83 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: could have high tea in there, you could drink champagne 84 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: and in k Shell's words, escape the patriarchy. It's interesting 85 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: because so far it doesn't sound that controversial, but you 86 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: mentioned court proceedings here, and I know I saw some 87 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: coverage of a controversy. That's why the Daily Os has 88 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: been talking about it. So what happened? So the story 89 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: dates back to April twenty twenty three when a new 90 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: South wales Man called Jason Lao bought a ticket to Mona. 91 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: Jason Law doesn't identify as a lady, so he wasn't 92 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: allowed into the ladies Lounge. And then again going back 93 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: to those court documents, mister Lao was not happy with 94 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: being refused entry. He had paid the full entry price 95 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: for Mona, but was not able to experience the artwork 96 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: contained within the ladies Lounge. He felt strongly enough about 97 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: this to file a complaint with Equal Opportunities Tasmania. It's 98 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: interesting hearing him say that he paid the full entry price, 99 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: because if this was an issue about money, surely it's 100 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: more expensive to go down the route of this court proceeding. 101 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: But I'll just leave that there. This idea, though, of 102 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: men's or women's only spaces is not rare. It's quite 103 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: a common thing, right, Well, yeah, I mean think about bathrooms. 104 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of foreshadowing, but yes, bathrooms, some 105 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: religious spaces, and I mean in Australia, for decades women 106 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: were either not allowed in pubs at all or were 107 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: only allowed to drink in something called a lady's lou 108 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: which is one of the things that inspired KHL's work. 109 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: But it's also fair to say that over the years 110 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: there's been controversy over gender segregated spaces, thinking about like 111 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: gentlemen's clubs, where women have you know, brought court action 112 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: or said like it's really unfair that you can have 113 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: these gentlemen only clubs. So this kind of controversy isn't new, 114 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: but the direction that it's going in, I think is 115 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: and we won't get into the kind of the different 116 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: sides for each one, but there is a lot of 117 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: discussion around both sides there. But back to this case, 118 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: So Jason Lao goes to monar, he can't get into 119 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: the lounge and he files a complaint. How do we 120 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: get from there to court? So his complaint with Equal 121 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: Opportunities Tasmania was escalated to the Tasmanian Civil and Administrative 122 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: Tribunal TAZCAT for short, which is a place to resolve 123 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: like non criminal disputes, it covers things like discrimination like 124 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: workers compensation, decisions about legal guardianship. That's where Lao's complaint 125 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: about unfair treatment would naturally go. So he and Kyshell 126 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: face the tribunal and give evidence about the space. Kyshell 127 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: says that quote the Lady's Lounge was necessary as a 128 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: peaceful space that women can retreat to as a refuge 129 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: exclusively for women. Meanwhile, Lao's case pretty simple. He believed 130 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: that as a man, not being allowed into the space 131 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: meant he'd been discriminated against because of his gender. So, 132 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, there are places where it's legal 133 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: to deny someone entry based on their gender, like religious institutions, 134 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: or certain educational facilities. But the judge ultimately found that 135 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: because the lady's lounge exhibit didn't fall into any of 136 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: these categories, Kyshell was ordered to allow men into the lounge. 137 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: And so did she do that? No. In an interview 138 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: that's been published on the Mona website, she suggested the 139 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: space could be used for Bible studies, so it would 140 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: fall under the religious exemptions. Was all very tongue in cheek, 141 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: and then she later said she was planning to appeal 142 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: the decision to the state's Supreme Court. But that's not 143 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: what happened this week. What is a new development this week? No, 144 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: this week she announced that Mona was launching a women's bathroom, 145 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: and this was new because Mona's toilets previously have been unisex. 146 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: But she said, quote, I just didn't know what to 147 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: do with all those pasos, So she's decided to put 148 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: the picassos that were in the ladies lounge in the 149 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: brand spanking new women's toilets. Smart. She said this change 150 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: is allowed under Tasmanian law and will be the place 151 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: for those artworks for the foreseeable future. A bit of 152 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: an old question, but what do you think Picasso would 153 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: think of all this. He was an old school man. 154 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: He came of age in the nineteenth century. I read 155 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: about him today. He told one of his partners, the 156 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: artist Francois Guilau, that he believed there were two types 157 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: of women, goddesses and doormats. Wow. So honestly, depending on 158 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: how you feel about him, you might say that Kyshell's 159 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: move is an insult to a great artist, or exactually 160 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: where he belongs. Very interesting. Do you think that this 161 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: is the end of the story, knowing Mona, definitely not. Yeah, 162 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that it's going to be the end, 163 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: and also not the end of gender specific places either, 164 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: likely gentleman lounge that you talked about before. It's definitely 165 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: an ongoing discussion. Thank you so much, Lucy for explaining that, 166 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for listening to this episode 167 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: of The Daily Os. If you're listening on YouTube, you 168 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: can hit subscribe. We're trying to grow channel there, and 169 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: if you're listening on Spotify or Apple, you can press follow. 170 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: It really helps us grow. Thank you so much, have 171 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: a great weekend, and we'll be back again on Monday. 172 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 173 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: Bungelung Caalcutin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges 174 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 175 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 176 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: Strait island and nations. We pay our respects to the 177 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present.