1 00:00:04,111 --> 00:00:06,551 Speaker 1: Black cast, Unite our voices. 2 00:00:07,351 --> 00:00:11,111 Speaker 2: Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the 3 00:00:11,231 --> 00:00:14,831 Speaker 2: land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge 4 00:00:14,871 --> 00:00:18,311 Speaker 2: traditional owners of the land where you, the listener or viewer, 5 00:00:18,431 --> 00:00:20,711 Speaker 2: are tuning in from. We would like to pay our 6 00:00:20,751 --> 00:00:24,031 Speaker 2: respects to our elders past and present and acknowledged that 7 00:00:24,071 --> 00:00:28,231 Speaker 2: this always was Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land. 8 00:00:29,391 --> 00:00:32,071 Speaker 3: You know, sometimes when you make these songs, it's like 9 00:00:32,191 --> 00:00:34,071 Speaker 3: the old follows are telling you, yeah, that's the one. 10 00:00:34,111 --> 00:00:36,471 Speaker 3: You said what we wanted you to say. They heard 11 00:00:36,471 --> 00:00:38,471 Speaker 3: the song and the presets and they love what we 12 00:00:38,511 --> 00:00:40,191 Speaker 3: did with it, and they let us do it because 13 00:00:40,231 --> 00:00:42,591 Speaker 3: it is the first time they've let anyone sample this stuff. 14 00:00:42,591 --> 00:00:44,391 Speaker 3: It was a pretty big deal in the industry and 15 00:00:44,431 --> 00:00:45,631 Speaker 3: that's have made it be the noise. 16 00:00:47,751 --> 00:00:52,271 Speaker 4: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bail. 17 00:00:57,471 --> 00:00:58,871 Speaker 1: All right, eh, welcome. 18 00:00:59,831 --> 00:01:04,631 Speaker 2: Thank you for taking time out of this amazing conference 19 00:01:04,791 --> 00:01:08,391 Speaker 2: to join myself and my guest, who you meet in 20 00:01:08,431 --> 00:01:13,871 Speaker 2: just a moment for a live broadcast of a podcast 21 00:01:14,031 --> 00:01:17,951 Speaker 2: that was a side hustle and is now the only 22 00:01:18,071 --> 00:01:21,071 Speaker 2: I think it's still the only indigenous podcast. 23 00:01:21,151 --> 00:01:23,391 Speaker 1: Sign to the iHeart Network, so. 24 00:01:23,351 --> 00:01:26,311 Speaker 2: That's one of my biggest raps is, Like you can 25 00:01:26,431 --> 00:01:29,391 Speaker 2: hear us on Virgin as well, So if you're flying Virgin, 26 00:01:30,431 --> 00:01:32,711 Speaker 2: make sure you listen to the Black Magic Woman. But 27 00:01:32,791 --> 00:01:37,871 Speaker 2: I'm here joining you from my mother's country, my mother's 28 00:01:37,951 --> 00:01:41,671 Speaker 2: mother and her mother and her mother, and at least 29 00:01:41,791 --> 00:01:45,751 Speaker 2: nine generations of my family have been in Redfern, on 30 00:01:45,791 --> 00:01:48,831 Speaker 2: Gadigle Country or the Block. So if you're from Sydney 31 00:01:48,831 --> 00:01:51,831 Speaker 2: and you've been here for a couple of generations, especially 32 00:01:51,871 --> 00:01:56,071 Speaker 2: if you are Corey or mob, the Block is a 33 00:01:56,111 --> 00:01:56,551 Speaker 2: place that. 34 00:01:56,471 --> 00:01:58,111 Speaker 1: I don't even need to tell you where it is. 35 00:01:58,911 --> 00:02:02,711 Speaker 2: I live in Queensland, I live on Kubbycabby Country, the 36 00:02:02,791 --> 00:02:07,271 Speaker 2: Sunshine Coast, anyone being Noosa, Richard or Melulaba, all of 37 00:02:07,311 --> 00:02:12,191 Speaker 2: those beautiful places, and it has never felt like home. 38 00:02:13,111 --> 00:02:16,911 Speaker 2: And for an Aboriginal woman from Redfern, I would say 39 00:02:16,991 --> 00:02:21,391 Speaker 2: that there's no place like Redfern. I don't think. 40 00:02:21,391 --> 00:02:23,351 Speaker 1: I think the closest place now. 41 00:02:23,391 --> 00:02:26,111 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson said this, believe it or not, will be 42 00:02:26,191 --> 00:02:30,071 Speaker 2: Goldberg said this, and so did mc hammer. They said 43 00:02:30,071 --> 00:02:33,791 Speaker 2: that Redfern reminded them of where they grew up. So 44 00:02:33,831 --> 00:02:36,471 Speaker 2: I feel really privileged to say that, born and raised 45 00:02:36,511 --> 00:02:41,511 Speaker 2: on the block, this is my hometown and I literally 46 00:02:41,511 --> 00:02:43,511 Speaker 2: feel this sense of peace. 47 00:02:43,671 --> 00:02:45,511 Speaker 1: We even settled. 48 00:02:45,791 --> 00:02:50,271 Speaker 2: Even after one year after the found referendum. So here 49 00:02:50,311 --> 00:02:54,551 Speaker 2: I am on beautiful Gadiger country and the language that 50 00:02:54,711 --> 00:02:58,831 Speaker 2: was once spoken here and still spoken by a few people, 51 00:02:58,991 --> 00:03:02,431 Speaker 2: the Darug language, we say Worra me so worra me 52 00:03:02,631 --> 00:03:08,071 Speaker 2: wan Gaddi nayo bimbibila, Mandanara naya Gadigo nuda. So what 53 00:03:08,111 --> 00:03:11,751 Speaker 2: I'm saying is I'm here on Gadigl country and my 54 00:03:11,831 --> 00:03:15,831 Speaker 2: name is Mandanara, and I've been trying to learn the 55 00:03:15,911 --> 00:03:21,151 Speaker 2: language that my ancestors once spoke. I have a few 56 00:03:21,751 --> 00:03:23,871 Speaker 2: kind of questions that I want to jump straight into, 57 00:03:23,951 --> 00:03:27,271 Speaker 2: but in Aboriginal culture, who you are is much more 58 00:03:27,271 --> 00:03:30,231 Speaker 2: important than what you do, so human relationships come. 59 00:03:30,071 --> 00:03:33,351 Speaker 1: First and that's kind of the format it. 60 00:03:33,591 --> 00:03:39,351 Speaker 2: My culture has inspired me to do podcasting storytelling, but 61 00:03:39,431 --> 00:03:43,431 Speaker 2: it's inspired me to try and showcase as best as 62 00:03:43,431 --> 00:03:46,191 Speaker 2: I can to mainstream Australia. 63 00:03:46,911 --> 00:03:49,431 Speaker 1: Because this was in Lockdown that we launched this podcast. 64 00:03:49,991 --> 00:03:54,271 Speaker 2: I wanted to showcase black excellence and my brother perfect 65 00:03:54,311 --> 00:03:59,151 Speaker 2: guest for this episode because in everything that you do 66 00:03:59,871 --> 00:04:03,511 Speaker 2: and the music that you write and with we are warriors. 67 00:04:03,911 --> 00:04:05,911 Speaker 2: What I kept picking up when I was doing my 68 00:04:06,031 --> 00:04:09,991 Speaker 2: research was black excellence. This podcast was born out of 69 00:04:10,031 --> 00:04:15,311 Speaker 2: a global pandemic where people felt more isolated than ever before, 70 00:04:15,871 --> 00:04:21,111 Speaker 2: and for black fellows to be isolated, it's an interesting feeling. 71 00:04:21,151 --> 00:04:24,031 Speaker 2: I've never ever felt that I was alone in my 72 00:04:24,111 --> 00:04:29,231 Speaker 2: own country, so spiritually, I've always felt that someone was 73 00:04:29,271 --> 00:04:32,871 Speaker 2: with me. So we have to remember that every day 74 00:04:33,031 --> 00:04:36,991 Speaker 2: we're walking in the footsteps of our ancestors. So I'm 75 00:04:36,991 --> 00:04:39,591 Speaker 2: going to kind of draw on my old people, because 76 00:04:39,591 --> 00:04:43,951 Speaker 2: this is my country, my birthplace to get us through 77 00:04:43,991 --> 00:04:47,751 Speaker 2: this Yarn, and I'm going to try and keep it lighthearted, 78 00:04:47,831 --> 00:04:50,671 Speaker 2: even though we're going to talk about some themes that 79 00:04:50,751 --> 00:04:50,991 Speaker 2: may be. 80 00:04:50,991 --> 00:04:51,751 Speaker 1: A little bit triggering. 81 00:04:51,831 --> 00:04:53,711 Speaker 2: U sort to put it out there for people here 82 00:04:53,751 --> 00:04:54,911 Speaker 2: in the room and for people. 83 00:04:54,711 --> 00:04:55,751 Speaker 1: That are listening as well. 84 00:04:56,191 --> 00:05:00,431 Speaker 2: We've got a national hotline one three Yarn, twenty four hours, 85 00:05:00,431 --> 00:05:02,711 Speaker 2: seven days a week for mob to be able to 86 00:05:02,711 --> 00:05:06,911 Speaker 2: talk to someone hearing our experiences, our lived experiences as 87 00:05:06,951 --> 00:05:11,031 Speaker 2: black fellows. I talk about my life and who we 88 00:05:11,071 --> 00:05:13,151 Speaker 2: are and what we do every day, and I do 89 00:05:13,231 --> 00:05:14,871 Speaker 2: it with a smile on my face. I don't do 90 00:05:14,951 --> 00:05:18,631 Speaker 2: it for people's sympathy. So I'm a proud black woman 91 00:05:18,711 --> 00:05:22,031 Speaker 2: born and raised in Red Fern and everything that I 92 00:05:22,111 --> 00:05:26,351 Speaker 2: do it's kind of strength based and centering Black excellence. 93 00:05:26,391 --> 00:05:31,071 Speaker 2: So don't see us as First Nations peoples as victims. 94 00:05:32,231 --> 00:05:34,671 Speaker 1: We're not victims. We're owners and runners of country. 95 00:05:34,751 --> 00:05:39,311 Speaker 2: So we have to remind ourselves as Australians that it 96 00:05:39,351 --> 00:05:42,111 Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago that we were running an entire country. 97 00:05:43,271 --> 00:05:45,231 Speaker 2: So on that note, what a good way to introduce you, 98 00:05:45,311 --> 00:05:48,471 Speaker 2: my brother. I'm going to end over to my guests 99 00:05:48,511 --> 00:05:50,351 Speaker 2: on the show, and if you've been listening to Black 100 00:05:50,391 --> 00:05:51,271 Speaker 2: Magic Women. 101 00:05:51,471 --> 00:05:53,831 Speaker 4: You would know that I don't introduce. 102 00:05:53,431 --> 00:05:56,711 Speaker 2: My guests, and I think it's probably best that people 103 00:05:56,951 --> 00:05:58,871 Speaker 2: can kind of talk about who they are, where they 104 00:05:58,911 --> 00:06:02,351 Speaker 2: come from, in their own words and also on their 105 00:06:02,391 --> 00:06:07,191 Speaker 2: own terms. So brother, Nookie, the microphone is all yours solid. 106 00:06:07,231 --> 00:06:08,631 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, my name is Nookie. 107 00:06:09,471 --> 00:06:13,111 Speaker 3: I'm a ewn and Dunguttie breed, born and raised down 108 00:06:13,151 --> 00:06:16,471 Speaker 3: in Narra for my South coast family there, I belong 109 00:06:16,511 --> 00:06:20,791 Speaker 3: to the jeering Enge and the wild Bunga mob on 110 00:06:20,871 --> 00:06:22,951 Speaker 3: the youw In side. And yeah, my great grandmother's from 111 00:06:22,991 --> 00:06:28,671 Speaker 3: a little little place just outside Kempsy called Bellbrook Mission. Yeah, 112 00:06:28,711 --> 00:06:31,391 Speaker 3: Bellbrook Mission, Yeah, Yeah, that's where my great grandmother's from. 113 00:06:31,431 --> 00:06:34,711 Speaker 3: Say yeah, half my family from up there too, But yeah, 114 00:06:34,751 --> 00:06:38,151 Speaker 3: born and raised down down now and then you know, hearing. 115 00:06:37,951 --> 00:06:40,671 Speaker 5: You talk about the block, it's yeah, there's a lot of. 116 00:06:40,591 --> 00:06:43,831 Speaker 3: Similarities, you know, that sense of community and family and 117 00:06:43,871 --> 00:06:46,751 Speaker 3: stuff like. And that's one thing I took from you 118 00:06:46,951 --> 00:06:49,631 Speaker 3: from down there. It was like when we grow up 119 00:06:49,671 --> 00:06:51,431 Speaker 3: in a place, like you know, you're always right. 120 00:06:51,431 --> 00:06:51,951 Speaker 5: You know what I mean. 121 00:06:52,071 --> 00:06:54,991 Speaker 3: Everyone else might have this view on the area and 122 00:06:54,991 --> 00:06:57,351 Speaker 3: what it's like, but when you're born there. 123 00:06:57,191 --> 00:07:00,431 Speaker 5: You grow up there like you're right. So yeah, a 124 00:07:00,471 --> 00:07:03,151 Speaker 5: lot a lot of similarities between now and Red Fern's. 125 00:07:03,191 --> 00:07:04,951 Speaker 5: Actually when I got. 126 00:07:04,871 --> 00:07:06,551 Speaker 3: Kicked out of school, so the first place I went to, 127 00:07:06,991 --> 00:07:09,511 Speaker 3: So yeah, seventeen years old, got kicked out of school 128 00:07:09,511 --> 00:07:11,751 Speaker 3: and had an auntie who lived on Little Evely Street 129 00:07:11,791 --> 00:07:13,231 Speaker 3: just up next to the station there. 130 00:07:13,271 --> 00:07:15,311 Speaker 5: So yeah, spent a lot of time there when well 131 00:07:15,351 --> 00:07:15,951 Speaker 5: I left home. 132 00:07:16,191 --> 00:07:19,831 Speaker 2: Yeah, brother, this is one thing that we do as blackfellows, right, 133 00:07:19,871 --> 00:07:24,151 Speaker 2: Like this fella says, I'm from Nawah. My dad and 134 00:07:24,271 --> 00:07:27,951 Speaker 2: my grandmother were in radio and so radio Redfern in 135 00:07:28,031 --> 00:07:33,071 Speaker 2: Cope Street was founded by my late grandmother, Maureen Watson, 136 00:07:33,471 --> 00:07:35,591 Speaker 2: and she'll be on a Google dude or next month. 137 00:07:35,671 --> 00:07:39,031 Speaker 2: I can't anymos I signed an NDA with Google, but 138 00:07:39,751 --> 00:07:43,351 Speaker 2: she literally yeah. In the nineteen seventies started a radio 139 00:07:43,351 --> 00:07:46,271 Speaker 2: station and then my dad went into media as well. 140 00:07:46,311 --> 00:07:48,631 Speaker 2: And one of my dad's best friends that he called 141 00:07:48,631 --> 00:07:52,631 Speaker 2: his brother was the late Uncle Bobby McLeod. So when 142 00:07:52,631 --> 00:07:56,391 Speaker 2: I was fourteen, this is a true story, we got 143 00:07:56,431 --> 00:08:00,991 Speaker 2: our first birth certificates. There are two hundred thousand Aboraginal 144 00:08:01,071 --> 00:08:05,151 Speaker 2: Australians today that do not have a birth certificate, that 145 00:08:05,271 --> 00:08:08,511 Speaker 2: can't open a bank account, that can't get a settling 146 00:08:08,551 --> 00:08:11,511 Speaker 2: payment because they don't have one hundred points ID, will 147 00:08:11,551 --> 00:08:13,231 Speaker 2: never be able to travel the world because they can't 148 00:08:13,271 --> 00:08:16,631 Speaker 2: get a passport, something that a lot of Australians take 149 00:08:16,671 --> 00:08:21,511 Speaker 2: for granted. Anyhow, my mum registered my birth in nineteen 150 00:08:21,631 --> 00:08:25,271 Speaker 2: ninety six as a fourteen year old and we're going 151 00:08:25,311 --> 00:08:28,391 Speaker 2: over to ta Aka, New Zealand. 152 00:08:28,231 --> 00:08:29,511 Speaker 1: With Uncle Bobby McLeod. 153 00:08:30,071 --> 00:08:33,791 Speaker 2: So Uncle Bobby and his whole dance troupe, the Dunwich Dancers, 154 00:08:34,551 --> 00:08:37,151 Speaker 2: invited my sisters and I, as I used to be 155 00:08:37,191 --> 00:08:40,311 Speaker 2: in an all female traditional Abitshal dance group, and we 156 00:08:40,391 --> 00:08:44,311 Speaker 2: used to dance the dancers of the Gumich people from Anahland. 157 00:08:44,351 --> 00:08:48,231 Speaker 2: If you heard of the late Mundaway or Gallery Nipingu, 158 00:08:49,511 --> 00:08:53,511 Speaker 2: these are their dances when we talk about the Gumich dancers. 159 00:08:54,191 --> 00:08:58,671 Speaker 2: So Uncle Bobby invited us to tour Oloa with the 160 00:08:58,711 --> 00:09:04,351 Speaker 2: Dunach dancers for six weeks. We got to actually Bobby McLeod, Young, 161 00:09:04,391 --> 00:09:09,591 Speaker 2: Bobby Lowry, Cecil Andrew, all the boys. And it's interesting 162 00:09:09,751 --> 00:09:12,111 Speaker 2: being I grew up in a family with all girls, 163 00:09:12,311 --> 00:09:15,031 Speaker 2: eight sisters, no brothers, and then we're on tour with 164 00:09:15,071 --> 00:09:19,591 Speaker 2: all men. So that was my introduction into hearing about 165 00:09:19,671 --> 00:09:20,111 Speaker 2: now right. 166 00:09:20,191 --> 00:09:20,511 Speaker 5: Yeah. 167 00:09:20,551 --> 00:09:22,191 Speaker 1: And then when I was reading you by, I'm like 168 00:09:22,311 --> 00:09:24,631 Speaker 1: you fellows, he's related, Yeah, yeah, same mob. 169 00:09:24,751 --> 00:09:27,911 Speaker 3: Yeah, say so uncle Bobby there, I think his mom 170 00:09:28,471 --> 00:09:32,271 Speaker 3: and my great grandfather's first cousins. But yeah, well yeah, 171 00:09:32,311 --> 00:09:34,951 Speaker 3: grew up with all the boys, Uncle Andrew, Uncle Larry 172 00:09:34,991 --> 00:09:37,591 Speaker 3: and them like the older followers, you know, looked after us. 173 00:09:37,591 --> 00:09:38,671 Speaker 5: Taught us all out of dance. 174 00:09:38,711 --> 00:09:43,031 Speaker 3: So Uncle Cecil in particular, like when I was in school, 175 00:09:43,351 --> 00:09:44,711 Speaker 3: it was hard for me, you know, So I used 176 00:09:44,711 --> 00:09:47,471 Speaker 3: to get in trouble a lot and me. 177 00:09:47,631 --> 00:09:47,791 Speaker 2: Mum. 178 00:09:47,951 --> 00:09:50,191 Speaker 3: She kind of recognized that it wasn't working for me. 179 00:09:50,271 --> 00:09:53,391 Speaker 3: It wasn't the sort of environment that I thrived in. 180 00:09:53,471 --> 00:09:56,311 Speaker 3: So she went down to school one day and said, hey, 181 00:09:56,351 --> 00:09:59,391 Speaker 3: you know he's struggling a little bit. You know, things 182 00:09:59,391 --> 00:10:02,431 Speaker 3: ain't working out. Can his uncles come in and be 183 00:10:02,511 --> 00:10:05,871 Speaker 3: like his teacher's support people? And yeah, So I had 184 00:10:05,871 --> 00:10:07,551 Speaker 3: two uncles come in there with me, and it was 185 00:10:07,831 --> 00:10:11,911 Speaker 3: Uncle Richard Moore and Uncle Cecil And whenever I'd be 186 00:10:11,951 --> 00:10:16,351 Speaker 3: feeling angry or was mucking up or whatever, they'd take 187 00:10:16,391 --> 00:10:18,191 Speaker 3: me out of class and take me down at Oval 188 00:10:18,231 --> 00:10:22,151 Speaker 3: and teach me song and dance. And yeah, that that 189 00:10:22,271 --> 00:10:24,831 Speaker 3: was mad. That's kind of what got me through school, 190 00:10:24,911 --> 00:10:27,911 Speaker 3: really really helped. So it informed the bass that i'd 191 00:10:28,071 --> 00:10:31,711 Speaker 3: carry now for for music. It all started with them too, Yeah, 192 00:10:31,831 --> 00:10:34,231 Speaker 3: take me down and show me that, and then started 193 00:10:34,231 --> 00:10:36,791 Speaker 3: off with just me, and then all the other cousin 194 00:10:36,791 --> 00:10:38,431 Speaker 3: I was there, they've seen it, and then they all 195 00:10:38,511 --> 00:10:40,311 Speaker 3: started coming and you know, it was kind of like 196 00:10:40,391 --> 00:10:43,151 Speaker 3: the next generation of Dulage coming up from that. 197 00:10:43,591 --> 00:10:45,751 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, because Uncle Bobby McLoud, if 198 00:10:45,791 --> 00:10:47,711 Speaker 2: you don't know, I've never heard of him. He was 199 00:10:47,751 --> 00:10:54,591 Speaker 2: an amazing musician, amazing musician, and listening to talk about 200 00:10:54,871 --> 00:11:00,271 Speaker 2: rap about not just our struggles, but even those messages, 201 00:11:00,711 --> 00:11:02,991 Speaker 2: I can I can hear it. I was listening to 202 00:11:03,711 --> 00:11:06,591 Speaker 2: I hardly listen to music on planes. I work on 203 00:11:06,631 --> 00:11:10,551 Speaker 2: every plane, and this trip I decided just to listen, 204 00:11:11,231 --> 00:11:13,311 Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, when you're present and 205 00:11:13,351 --> 00:11:17,191 Speaker 2: you can actually really hear what kind of messages have 206 00:11:17,311 --> 00:11:19,191 Speaker 2: been related or spoken to you? 207 00:11:19,231 --> 00:11:20,551 Speaker 1: I felt like you were speaking to me. 208 00:11:20,951 --> 00:11:22,911 Speaker 2: Oh, and I just want to say that you know, 209 00:11:22,951 --> 00:11:27,831 Speaker 2: the music that you've been creating and the hope to 210 00:11:28,271 --> 00:11:32,311 Speaker 2: younger generations, but the hope for blackfellows today in. 211 00:11:32,271 --> 00:11:34,111 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four, I think we need. 212 00:11:33,951 --> 00:11:37,111 Speaker 2: To hear more kind of musicians and just people in 213 00:11:37,151 --> 00:11:42,671 Speaker 2: general spreading words or messages that give people hope in 214 00:11:42,751 --> 00:11:46,831 Speaker 2: a world where it feels like there's it feels like 215 00:11:46,871 --> 00:11:48,911 Speaker 2: there's no kind of light at the end of the tunnel. 216 00:11:49,391 --> 00:11:51,511 Speaker 2: So right now where I am in my life, your 217 00:11:51,591 --> 00:11:54,911 Speaker 2: music spoke to me and it just felt like this 218 00:11:55,071 --> 00:11:56,991 Speaker 2: was the right time to have someone like you on 219 00:11:57,031 --> 00:12:00,551 Speaker 2: the podcast. So can you tell me really quickly in 220 00:12:00,631 --> 00:12:04,311 Speaker 2: terms of music, how did you end up We're first 221 00:12:04,311 --> 00:12:08,071 Speaker 2: getting signed by Sony O. Yeah, how did you end 222 00:12:08,151 --> 00:12:11,231 Speaker 2: up like from Narrah a kid that was in trouble 223 00:12:11,271 --> 00:12:15,991 Speaker 2: at school? Yeah, so then coming to Redfern to now 224 00:12:16,471 --> 00:12:18,951 Speaker 2: how many arias up for three ari Awards? 225 00:12:18,991 --> 00:12:19,231 Speaker 1: Four? 226 00:12:19,911 --> 00:12:33,191 Speaker 4: Four? People tell us like how where? 227 00:12:33,271 --> 00:12:33,351 Speaker 5: What? 228 00:12:34,831 --> 00:12:36,591 Speaker 3: Yes, it's funny. It's a bit of a long yard 229 00:12:36,631 --> 00:12:41,111 Speaker 3: that one. But so how it happened. School was extremely 230 00:12:41,151 --> 00:12:44,511 Speaker 3: hard for me and Narah. Like you might have heard 231 00:12:44,511 --> 00:12:45,951 Speaker 3: from Uncle Bobby back then, it was. 232 00:12:45,951 --> 00:12:50,711 Speaker 5: Like there's a lot of racism. It was. There was 233 00:12:50,751 --> 00:12:51,631 Speaker 5: a lot of shit around. 234 00:12:51,671 --> 00:12:55,671 Speaker 3: Like the mayor of Nara at one time, Yeah, Nadock 235 00:12:55,711 --> 00:12:57,951 Speaker 3: week all weeks. He thought it was a good idea 236 00:12:57,991 --> 00:12:59,951 Speaker 3: to get the black Fallow flag and set it on fire. 237 00:13:01,191 --> 00:13:03,271 Speaker 3: Uncle Bobby wasn't too happy about that. He made him 238 00:13:03,271 --> 00:13:05,231 Speaker 3: apologys always said he was going to burn down the 239 00:13:05,271 --> 00:13:07,311 Speaker 3: council house and Uncle Bobby probably. 240 00:13:07,031 --> 00:13:07,591 Speaker 5: Would have done it. 241 00:13:07,751 --> 00:13:09,151 Speaker 1: Uncle Bob was pretty staunch. 242 00:13:11,431 --> 00:13:15,471 Speaker 5: So yeah, there was, you know, that old racist attitude. 243 00:13:15,511 --> 00:13:18,431 Speaker 3: It kind of you know, I don't know, I don't 244 00:13:18,431 --> 00:13:22,391 Speaker 3: know if it's gone yet, you know, definitely bleeding out slowly. 245 00:13:22,471 --> 00:13:23,631 Speaker 5: What was probably parts of it. 246 00:13:23,671 --> 00:13:25,271 Speaker 3: You know, I live in Sydney now, so I can't 247 00:13:25,271 --> 00:13:27,671 Speaker 3: talk too much on what it's light down there anymore, 248 00:13:27,711 --> 00:13:31,911 Speaker 3: but it was. It was really hard for me, and 249 00:13:32,071 --> 00:13:34,511 Speaker 3: I struggled a lot at school. And I had a 250 00:13:34,591 --> 00:13:37,831 Speaker 3: cousin who lived in Newcastle, right, so he's living in 251 00:13:37,871 --> 00:13:41,911 Speaker 3: the city and was exposed to different things, like different 252 00:13:41,951 --> 00:13:42,951 Speaker 3: opportunities and that. 253 00:13:43,031 --> 00:13:44,431 Speaker 5: And I'd only see his fill. 254 00:13:44,391 --> 00:13:48,111 Speaker 3: For holidays, and he was like the cool big cousin 255 00:13:48,151 --> 00:13:50,271 Speaker 3: I used to try and be like. His name was Selwey, 256 00:13:50,551 --> 00:13:54,511 Speaker 3: and so if he was being good, then I'd be good. 257 00:13:54,711 --> 00:13:56,791 Speaker 3: If he was being bad, I'd be bad. 258 00:13:56,831 --> 00:13:58,311 Speaker 5: And I heard it about. 259 00:13:58,071 --> 00:14:02,631 Speaker 3: Him smashing the window at school dance. So next school 260 00:14:02,631 --> 00:14:06,711 Speaker 3: disco I go to, you know, I smashed it. 261 00:14:07,991 --> 00:14:09,511 Speaker 5: And then so he started rapping. 262 00:14:10,071 --> 00:14:13,391 Speaker 3: And listening to him rap and tell his story, it 263 00:14:13,431 --> 00:14:16,991 Speaker 3: really opened my eyes to what's possible. And I was 264 00:14:17,191 --> 00:14:18,671 Speaker 3: because I didn't know we could do that. And I 265 00:14:18,671 --> 00:14:20,791 Speaker 3: remember hearing him rap for the first time. I said, oh, 266 00:14:20,871 --> 00:14:23,751 Speaker 3: cause we can do that, and he goes yeah. So 267 00:14:24,311 --> 00:14:27,191 Speaker 3: he kind of set me on that journey with music. 268 00:14:27,271 --> 00:14:30,351 Speaker 3: And I was that tormenting little cousin. I always just 269 00:14:30,351 --> 00:14:32,991 Speaker 3: tormenting the rap. And you convinced him to make me 270 00:14:33,031 --> 00:14:35,191 Speaker 3: a little CD with beats on it one time, and 271 00:14:35,271 --> 00:14:38,231 Speaker 3: I used to carry this with me everywhere down always 272 00:14:38,271 --> 00:14:38,831 Speaker 3: listened to it. 273 00:14:39,911 --> 00:14:42,391 Speaker 5: And I'm going through school. 274 00:14:43,071 --> 00:14:44,751 Speaker 3: I would have been the first in my family to 275 00:14:44,751 --> 00:14:46,991 Speaker 3: ever finish school, and that was like a big thing 276 00:14:47,031 --> 00:14:47,231 Speaker 3: for me. 277 00:14:47,271 --> 00:14:47,991 Speaker 5: I wanted to do that. 278 00:14:48,031 --> 00:14:49,991 Speaker 3: I wanted to be the first one to ever finish school. 279 00:14:50,831 --> 00:14:52,311 Speaker 3: I get the year twelve. 280 00:14:52,311 --> 00:14:52,791 Speaker 5: And. 281 00:14:54,711 --> 00:14:58,391 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was rapping a lot, just hanging out at 282 00:14:58,431 --> 00:15:00,591 Speaker 3: the youth center making songs. And I'll get the year 283 00:15:00,591 --> 00:15:04,831 Speaker 3: twelve and for me, hc to old project, right, I was. 284 00:15:04,871 --> 00:15:07,751 Speaker 5: I was at the end. I was almost done. I 285 00:15:07,791 --> 00:15:08,431 Speaker 5: thought for the. 286 00:15:09,911 --> 00:15:14,191 Speaker 3: Me final school project, I'd make a little album and 287 00:15:14,751 --> 00:15:17,951 Speaker 3: submit that. So I made a little CD a couple 288 00:15:17,951 --> 00:15:19,511 Speaker 3: of songs on it, and there was this song on 289 00:15:19,591 --> 00:15:23,231 Speaker 3: there called Subliminal Twist. What I did on this song 290 00:15:23,391 --> 00:15:26,591 Speaker 3: was I named all the redneck teachers in the school 291 00:15:26,591 --> 00:15:27,751 Speaker 3: without naming them. 292 00:15:28,231 --> 00:15:31,391 Speaker 5: Right like, there was a there was a teacher there 293 00:15:31,471 --> 00:15:33,551 Speaker 5: named mister Hunt. 294 00:15:34,031 --> 00:15:35,911 Speaker 3: It's a young black fellow on the Hunt sick of 295 00:15:35,951 --> 00:15:40,431 Speaker 3: men called a little black that there was a price. 296 00:15:40,951 --> 00:15:44,631 Speaker 3: I said, it's the price of education, heartaches, racism, and discrimination. 297 00:15:46,391 --> 00:15:51,231 Speaker 3: So yeah, I ended in this CD and regular day 298 00:15:51,231 --> 00:15:53,471 Speaker 3: at now a high school Corey. 299 00:15:53,191 --> 00:15:54,591 Speaker 5: Webster at the principal's office. 300 00:15:55,111 --> 00:15:57,191 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Tuesday, let's go down. 301 00:15:57,751 --> 00:16:00,911 Speaker 5: Go down. He's just he's read. He's staring at me 302 00:16:00,951 --> 00:16:02,391 Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, well what now? 303 00:16:02,831 --> 00:16:05,751 Speaker 3: And I looked down. He's got my CD on the table, 304 00:16:05,791 --> 00:16:09,031 Speaker 3: slides it like this, and he goes, we refuse to 305 00:16:09,071 --> 00:16:12,151 Speaker 3: mark this. You sign yourself out now, or we're kicking 306 00:16:12,151 --> 00:16:16,071 Speaker 3: you out. I said, well, give me the papers, signed 307 00:16:16,071 --> 00:16:19,071 Speaker 3: myself out that day, had to go home face mum 308 00:16:19,151 --> 00:16:21,871 Speaker 3: and dad. I was a bit scared of that one, 309 00:16:22,591 --> 00:16:26,271 Speaker 3: and it all happened so fast. Kicked out that day, 310 00:16:26,591 --> 00:16:30,511 Speaker 3: go home. I guess what, Mum kicked out of school. 311 00:16:32,711 --> 00:16:34,471 Speaker 3: A couple of weeks after that, I packed my bags 312 00:16:34,471 --> 00:16:37,871 Speaker 3: and I left. I left Narra seventeen years old, went 313 00:16:37,911 --> 00:16:40,071 Speaker 3: to NASDA for a little bit on the Central coast. There, 314 00:16:40,311 --> 00:16:46,511 Speaker 3: I was back and forth between NASA and Redfern. Yeah, 315 00:16:46,951 --> 00:16:49,471 Speaker 3: music became my only option like that for me, I 316 00:16:49,471 --> 00:16:50,471 Speaker 3: didn't know what else to do. 317 00:16:50,911 --> 00:16:53,551 Speaker 5: You know, it happened to get me kicked out of school. 318 00:16:53,311 --> 00:16:55,391 Speaker 3: But it also led me on this journey that I'm 319 00:16:55,431 --> 00:16:59,151 Speaker 3: onto now. So hanging out in Redfern, you know you 320 00:16:59,191 --> 00:17:02,311 Speaker 3: said before and see him. I Whoop Be, Michael Jackson, 321 00:17:02,591 --> 00:17:05,991 Speaker 3: Snoop Dogg and one used to come there. One day, 322 00:17:06,831 --> 00:17:10,111 Speaker 3: I was hanging out at the community center where I'd 323 00:17:10,151 --> 00:17:12,511 Speaker 3: go all the time and just make music, and Black 324 00:17:12,511 --> 00:17:16,351 Speaker 3: Our Peas rocked up one day for a visit. So 325 00:17:16,431 --> 00:17:19,391 Speaker 3: they came in and we ended up having like a 326 00:17:19,391 --> 00:17:22,631 Speaker 3: little freestyle session, and at the end of it, the 327 00:17:23,031 --> 00:17:25,071 Speaker 3: executive producer comes up to me and said, oh, we 328 00:17:25,191 --> 00:17:26,511 Speaker 3: like what you do. How do you like to fly 329 00:17:26,591 --> 00:17:28,631 Speaker 3: to l a work on a song with Taboo? And 330 00:17:28,671 --> 00:17:34,351 Speaker 3: I was like bullshit, but yeah, sure enough. 331 00:17:34,351 --> 00:17:37,471 Speaker 4: It happened, actually happened on the block. 332 00:17:37,871 --> 00:17:42,031 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I owe that place a lot. Yeah yeah, yeah, 333 00:17:42,071 --> 00:17:42,511 Speaker 3: And then. 334 00:17:42,431 --> 00:17:43,711 Speaker 1: I couldn't find that on Google. 335 00:17:45,991 --> 00:17:49,111 Speaker 5: That's on What's what's the old one? The MSN one. 336 00:17:49,671 --> 00:17:51,871 Speaker 3: You've got to go back to those that Yahoo that's him. 337 00:17:54,191 --> 00:17:55,711 Speaker 1: So you went to the States, did you go? 338 00:17:56,031 --> 00:17:56,271 Speaker 5: Yeah? 339 00:17:56,511 --> 00:17:59,911 Speaker 3: Yeah, went out there, recorded a song done like the 340 00:17:59,951 --> 00:18:05,311 Speaker 3: soft launch out there and never officially got east some 341 00:18:05,431 --> 00:18:07,871 Speaker 3: music industry as sometimes albums don't come out, so it 342 00:18:08,031 --> 00:18:09,831 Speaker 3: was going to be one of the first singles, but 343 00:18:09,951 --> 00:18:11,911 Speaker 3: the album it was on didn't end up coming out. 344 00:18:11,991 --> 00:18:15,591 Speaker 3: But we launched a song over there hit it, you know, 345 00:18:16,391 --> 00:18:18,511 Speaker 3: got spoken about on a few lists and stuff with 346 00:18:18,871 --> 00:18:21,791 Speaker 3: Kanye and Lil Wayne. I thought that was sick, but 347 00:18:21,951 --> 00:18:25,551 Speaker 3: never never, you know, eventuated, never came out. But yeah, 348 00:18:25,711 --> 00:18:27,231 Speaker 3: it done a lot for me. When I came home, 349 00:18:28,391 --> 00:18:29,671 Speaker 3: I thought I was going to be famous, so I 350 00:18:29,671 --> 00:18:30,071 Speaker 3: thought it'd be. 351 00:18:30,071 --> 00:18:33,991 Speaker 5: The first kidl Roy, but kitd Ler Roy was the 352 00:18:33,991 --> 00:18:40,471 Speaker 5: first kill nearly got it from yeah, yeah. 353 00:18:39,671 --> 00:18:41,511 Speaker 3: And then yeah, so I just came home, had to 354 00:18:41,511 --> 00:18:44,031 Speaker 3: work hard, you know, doing doing shows and building my 355 00:18:44,071 --> 00:18:47,791 Speaker 3: reputation and my name up. And then was doing that 356 00:18:47,951 --> 00:18:51,391 Speaker 3: for a while, which led to meeting Briggs and signed 357 00:18:51,431 --> 00:18:54,471 Speaker 3: the Bad Apples music there first and was knocking around 358 00:18:54,511 --> 00:18:58,391 Speaker 3: with Briggsy for a while and yeah, done, done all that. 359 00:18:58,511 --> 00:19:01,671 Speaker 3: Then went over to Triple J, started the first Blackfellow 360 00:19:01,671 --> 00:19:04,711 Speaker 3: show they got there, and then kicked off three percent 361 00:19:04,831 --> 00:19:08,231 Speaker 3: and done all that and then yeah, four ARIA Awards now, 362 00:19:08,351 --> 00:19:10,311 Speaker 3: so hopefully get one and a half of them. 363 00:19:10,671 --> 00:19:16,471 Speaker 2: Well it's actually the most in ARIA history of actually 364 00:19:16,511 --> 00:19:20,991 Speaker 2: first Nations nominations this year, big mob like that's. 365 00:19:20,791 --> 00:19:21,791 Speaker 1: Going to be a blackout. 366 00:19:21,951 --> 00:19:22,711 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. 367 00:19:22,791 --> 00:19:24,391 Speaker 1: So when you go to an event and there's a 368 00:19:24,391 --> 00:19:26,991 Speaker 1: lot of Black Fellows and goes man, this is a blackout. Yeah, 369 00:19:27,031 --> 00:19:28,311 Speaker 1: that's your show that you. 370 00:19:28,631 --> 00:19:31,631 Speaker 2: Broadcast called Blackout on Sunday nights. 371 00:19:31,991 --> 00:19:32,991 Speaker 5: Yeah on Triple Jet. 372 00:19:33,071 --> 00:19:34,671 Speaker 3: Yeah it was funny making and what are you going 373 00:19:34,711 --> 00:19:37,351 Speaker 3: to call it? I wouldn't call it blackout as waffle 374 00:19:37,391 --> 00:19:40,191 Speaker 3: as you know, what's that means? Doesn't mean let's our party? 375 00:19:40,191 --> 00:19:41,311 Speaker 5: Now? Is where all you? 376 00:19:41,311 --> 00:19:41,551 Speaker 3: You know? 377 00:19:41,751 --> 00:19:41,871 Speaker 4: So? 378 00:19:42,151 --> 00:19:43,871 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you play black music. 379 00:19:44,111 --> 00:19:44,431 Speaker 5: Yeah. 380 00:19:44,551 --> 00:19:46,751 Speaker 2: The first song that I listened to recently was your 381 00:19:46,831 --> 00:19:51,231 Speaker 2: the Indian. Yeah, it was Treaty, And I started to 382 00:19:51,271 --> 00:19:54,031 Speaker 2: think about this. Feller plays the same music that I 383 00:19:54,071 --> 00:19:58,111 Speaker 2: grew up listening to because my dad was the sea 384 00:19:58,231 --> 00:20:01,791 Speaker 2: of an Aberginal radio station that played Aberginal music. But 385 00:20:01,831 --> 00:20:06,431 Speaker 2: what's interesting is my in Queensland said, how do we 386 00:20:06,471 --> 00:20:10,431 Speaker 2: get into the homes of white fullers? How do we 387 00:20:10,511 --> 00:20:16,351 Speaker 2: get our voices, our stories into and messages into mainstream 388 00:20:16,431 --> 00:20:21,151 Speaker 2: Australian homes. So what he thought about genius idea is 389 00:20:21,191 --> 00:20:25,351 Speaker 2: we'll play country music. We'll play country music and we 390 00:20:25,391 --> 00:20:27,511 Speaker 2: will bring a little bit of Aboriginal. 391 00:20:27,071 --> 00:20:29,031 Speaker 1: Music but more country. 392 00:20:29,391 --> 00:20:31,951 Speaker 2: So copped a bit of slack from the Aboriginal community 393 00:20:31,991 --> 00:20:35,031 Speaker 2: because there's a radio station that was an Aboriginal radio 394 00:20:35,031 --> 00:20:37,631 Speaker 2: station playing majority country music. 395 00:20:37,831 --> 00:20:39,231 Speaker 1: But it actually worked. 396 00:20:39,911 --> 00:20:41,911 Speaker 2: A lot of people that I've met have said that 397 00:20:42,031 --> 00:20:45,191 Speaker 2: their first introduction to abitional culture was through listening to 398 00:20:45,311 --> 00:20:48,991 Speaker 2: my dad on radio. So the power of music, you know, 399 00:20:50,191 --> 00:20:53,111 Speaker 2: I could see now with your journey of coming from 400 00:20:53,191 --> 00:20:56,511 Speaker 2: Naura and then you know, being signed now to Sony, 401 00:20:57,031 --> 00:21:00,311 Speaker 2: being able to work with people like not just Jessica Mowboy, 402 00:21:00,471 --> 00:21:04,911 Speaker 2: who we all love, but even the precinct. Yeah, my 403 00:21:05,111 --> 00:21:08,351 Speaker 2: people can please share. I was is it the first 404 00:21:08,391 --> 00:21:10,551 Speaker 2: time that they've allowed someone to touch their song? 405 00:21:10,751 --> 00:21:13,231 Speaker 3: Yes, And actually I spoke to him on the phone yesterday. 406 00:21:13,231 --> 00:21:20,311 Speaker 3: It was mad, I've got his number, now watchat But yeah, 407 00:21:20,351 --> 00:21:23,511 Speaker 3: it was the first time they've ever let anyone touch 408 00:21:23,831 --> 00:21:26,471 Speaker 3: touch their music, which was sick to do, but for 409 00:21:26,551 --> 00:21:29,271 Speaker 3: me it was It's funny, like I've always been like 410 00:21:29,311 --> 00:21:30,351 Speaker 3: a bit of a dreamer. 411 00:21:30,431 --> 00:21:30,631 Speaker 5: Hey. 412 00:21:30,711 --> 00:21:32,591 Speaker 3: So that song come out when I was a kid 413 00:21:32,751 --> 00:21:34,991 Speaker 3: in Narra and I was just starting to rap at 414 00:21:34,991 --> 00:21:37,431 Speaker 3: this time, and I remember hearing this, and you know, 415 00:21:37,471 --> 00:21:40,351 Speaker 3: a big part of rap music is sampling and stuff, 416 00:21:40,391 --> 00:21:44,151 Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm walking around now listening to this song. 417 00:21:44,231 --> 00:21:46,991 Speaker 3: I'm like, one day I'm going to touch this song. 418 00:21:47,391 --> 00:21:50,111 Speaker 3: And I did attempt it once upon a time, but 419 00:21:50,231 --> 00:21:52,271 Speaker 3: it wasn't the right moment. Didn't try to reach out 420 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:53,511 Speaker 3: to nothing happened with the song. 421 00:21:53,511 --> 00:21:54,911 Speaker 5: I just mucked around with it. 422 00:21:55,391 --> 00:22:01,111 Speaker 3: And then you know, fast forward years on, I was 423 00:22:01,991 --> 00:22:05,591 Speaker 3: doing workshops at a juvie out Western Sydney there and 424 00:22:06,671 --> 00:22:09,551 Speaker 3: you know, it's a revolving door of that place, these 425 00:22:09,631 --> 00:22:13,791 Speaker 3: young more in and out, and this one day in particular, 426 00:22:13,871 --> 00:22:16,511 Speaker 3: it was like a new intake of young colors and 427 00:22:17,231 --> 00:22:22,031 Speaker 3: these lads were young young. I'm like eddies that ten 428 00:22:22,111 --> 00:22:25,311 Speaker 3: year olds were there, and seeing them come in, I 429 00:22:25,351 --> 00:22:27,791 Speaker 3: was like, na, that's not you know, we all know 430 00:22:27,831 --> 00:22:30,231 Speaker 3: what happens, but to be there and see it, it's 431 00:22:30,271 --> 00:22:34,151 Speaker 3: a different thing. And one little fellow I knew and 432 00:22:34,191 --> 00:22:37,391 Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, man, what are you doing in there? 433 00:22:38,831 --> 00:22:42,511 Speaker 5: Yeah? And it was it was. I walked out of 434 00:22:42,551 --> 00:22:44,831 Speaker 5: the spot that day feeling feeling a bit heavy. 435 00:22:46,751 --> 00:22:48,751 Speaker 3: And then so I jump in the Carls cruising home 436 00:22:49,431 --> 00:22:51,151 Speaker 3: and I'll chuck on the radio and all I hear 437 00:22:51,231 --> 00:22:52,631 Speaker 3: is this stuff about Alice Springs. 438 00:22:52,711 --> 00:22:52,911 Speaker 2: Right. 439 00:22:54,431 --> 00:22:56,631 Speaker 3: It added to the way to the point where it's like, 440 00:22:57,151 --> 00:22:59,551 Speaker 3: there's too much with me right now. I can't go 441 00:22:59,591 --> 00:23:02,471 Speaker 3: home because I'm gonna take that bat you home. I'll 442 00:23:02,471 --> 00:23:06,071 Speaker 3: go to the studio. Rang Angus and Dallas happened to 443 00:23:06,071 --> 00:23:09,071 Speaker 3: be in town for something. I was like, Lad's got 444 00:23:09,071 --> 00:23:10,631 Speaker 3: to meet me at the studio. I got a you 445 00:23:10,631 --> 00:23:14,311 Speaker 3: know something I got to say, and so yeah, I 446 00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:17,071 Speaker 3: went to the studio and I had our producer there 447 00:23:17,111 --> 00:23:18,871 Speaker 3: who would usually work with and he goes, what are 448 00:23:18,911 --> 00:23:21,111 Speaker 3: we doing today? I said, Lad, load up the presets, 449 00:23:21,111 --> 00:23:22,831 Speaker 3: so we're going to sample that and turn it into 450 00:23:22,911 --> 00:23:23,751 Speaker 3: our thing. You know. 451 00:23:23,831 --> 00:23:27,391 Speaker 5: That locked up with my people part and we made 452 00:23:27,431 --> 00:23:27,791 Speaker 5: the song. 453 00:23:27,871 --> 00:23:32,311 Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes when you make these songs, it's 454 00:23:32,351 --> 00:23:34,391 Speaker 3: like the old follows are telling you, yeah, that's the one. 455 00:23:34,471 --> 00:23:37,271 Speaker 3: You said what we wanted you to say, which is 456 00:23:37,311 --> 00:23:40,071 Speaker 3: exactly what happened in that moment. Jumped in the car 457 00:23:40,311 --> 00:23:41,791 Speaker 3: said that the boys, I said, this is how we 458 00:23:42,431 --> 00:23:44,911 Speaker 3: start this thing, and yeah, I released it. And then 459 00:23:44,991 --> 00:23:47,471 Speaker 3: they heard the song in the presets and they loved 460 00:23:47,511 --> 00:23:49,231 Speaker 3: what we did with it, and they let us do it. 461 00:23:49,271 --> 00:23:51,431 Speaker 3: And it was again because it is the first time 462 00:23:51,471 --> 00:23:54,591 Speaker 3: they've let anyone sample this stuff. It was a pretty 463 00:23:54,631 --> 00:23:58,271 Speaker 3: big deal in the industry and that so we made 464 00:23:58,311 --> 00:23:58,911 Speaker 3: a bit of noise. 465 00:24:00,351 --> 00:24:04,351 Speaker 5: Are join us next week? For part two of Mandanara's 466 00:24:04,431 --> 00:24:07,311 Speaker 5: Yarn with Nookie. So there was three awards that go out. 467 00:24:07,391 --> 00:24:08,911 Speaker 5: There was four or five of us left. 468 00:24:09,071 --> 00:24:10,991 Speaker 3: Yeah, made it to the final bit by this where 469 00:24:10,991 --> 00:24:14,351 Speaker 3: I get dusted. So it was Pharrell and Rihanna. They 470 00:24:14,631 --> 00:24:17,551 Speaker 3: tied for the gold one, and then there's me and 471 00:24:17,711 --> 00:24:22,431 Speaker 3: Edge here and left and then I ended up getting 472 00:24:22,471 --> 00:24:24,311 Speaker 3: the bronze one and then I have a laugh. That 473 00:24:24,511 --> 00:24:25,191 Speaker 3: is bronze enough. 474 00:24:25,191 --> 00:24:25,671 Speaker 5: He didn't need. 475 00:24:28,551 --> 00:24:31,591 Speaker 2: If you'd like any more info on today's guest, please 476 00:24:31,711 --> 00:24:36,471 Speaker 2: visit our show notes in the episode description. 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