WEBVTT - REPETE: Ben Hurley and The Usual Suspects 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.440 Gid A, Peter Helly here Welcome to you Ain't Seen 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.680 Nothing Yet? The Movie Podcast, where our chat to a 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.880 movie lover about a classic or but loved movie they 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.680 haven't quite got around to watching until now. And today's 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:17.680 guests comedian Kiwi mate Ben Hurley. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:24.560 Do you really think you have a chance against us? 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.079 Mister cowboy? 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:43.400 Open the pod bay doors, Hell, I'll have what she's having? 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.319 What ma happening right? 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:48.760 You Ain't seen Nothing Yet? 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.280 I first met Ben Hurley when I traveled across the 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.959 Ditch through a brand new panel show over there called 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.119 seven Days Think Good News Week with Kiwi's or if 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.760 you're English, Mocked the Week with Kiwi's. It was a 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.800 lot of fun and Ben and I headed off immediately. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.000 We bonded over movies, music, comedy, and quite a few beers. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.360 That was back in two thousand and nine and the 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.000 show has been a massive success, winning huge audiences and 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.039 taking in all the awards. Ben is a type of 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.000 bloke who you love to make laugh because Ben loves 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.520 to laugh. Even better than that, Ben's a type of 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.760 mate that makes you laugh even more. I've got the 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.080 perform on the same bill as Ben multiple times for 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.679 New Zealand Comedy Festival Galas out of the famous Auckland 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.920 Comedy Institution the Classic. He can be seen soon on 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.440 Ozzie screens, on SBS's Trans Tasman panel show Patriot Games, 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.280 which is returning for its second season, and also The 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.559 Elephant in the Room. He actually was an original cast 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.400 member of the Project New Zealand but jumped ship to 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.760 TV and zed's seven sharp, No no no grudge here, Ben, 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.320 You're okay by me, mate, Ben. He's a much love 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.080 bigger in New Zealand, both on screen and on stage. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.840 Ben's generous, hilarious, and I love that he looks a 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.200 bit like Dave Grohl, so I'm bloody stoked to be 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.959 hanging with him today. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.040 Good a Kyota, This is Ben Hurley. And my three 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.680 favorite films are Mystery Men. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:31.280 I Believe in My Powers, and I believe Hot Fuzz 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.520 Point Break or bum Boys too? Which one do you 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.239 think I prefer? No, I mean, which one do you 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.160 want to watch first? And Twelve Monkeys may Day Mayney 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.960 Terriss are kicking over the Nacatolic Building Century. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.800 City, And until last night I had never seen the 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.320 usual suspects. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.080 All Right, you all know the drill. When your number 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.680 is called, step forward and repeat the fresh you've been given. 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.919 Understand number one, step. 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:05.160 Forward, Hand me the keys, you fucking cocksucker. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.760 Number two, step forward. 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.919 Give me the fucking keys, you fucking. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:17.080 Knock it off. 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.920 Get back number three, step forward. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:30.640 Hell me the keys, you cat tucker. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:36.560 In English, please excuse me in English, I. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.680 Mean the fucking keys you got taker, What the fuck? 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.640 Number four? Step forward? It was bullshit. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.280 The whole rap was a setup. 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.400 Hand me the keys, you fucking cocksucker. 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.560 It was all the cops fault. You don't put guys 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.080 like that into a room together. Who knows what can happen. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.240 Hand me the keys, you fucking cocksucker. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.320 You know, I get approached a lot by gen Z 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.800 folk asking me, Pete is Chubby check as less twist 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.480 again the greatest twist of all time? And maybe it 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.600 was for a while, but surely nineteen ninety five's The 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:14.080 Usual Suspects is now the reigning King. It paved the 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.839 way for a wave of twists heavy movies from Primal 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.679 Fear in ninety six, The Sixth Sense and Fight Club, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.760 both nineteen ninety nine. Weirdly, it seems the only movie 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.120 in the nineties that didn't have a twist was Twister, 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.719 directed by Wonder King Brian Singer, problematic and we will 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.400 get to that. From a brilliant script by Christopher mcquarie, 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.880 The Usual Suspects takes its cues from classic noir with 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.560 a modern bent. When lone survivor of a boat heist, 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.039 a con man with cereral palsy, Roger verbal Kent, played 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.760 brilliantly by Kevin Spacey in a career turning performance and yes, 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.440 don't worry, we will also get to him soon, is 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.840 questioned by US Customs Dave Couyjong in the messy office 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.240 of one of his counterparts. It sets off quite the 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.640 chain of events. What follows is a story where fact 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.799 and fiction are blurred, beginning with the arrests of five 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.360 criminals who should never have been put into the same 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.200 cell as each other. Dean Keaton, Gabrielle Byrne, a next 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.160 crooked cop trying to go straight, the zero foxgiver Dean Hockney, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:18.239 Kevin Pollack, the barely comprehensible Fenster a career de finding 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.880 Benicio del Toro, and the loose Cannon McManus, Stephen Baldwin 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:26.400 and clearly his best performance. Feeling unjustly inconvenienced by the arrest, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.480 a gang of five take on jobs aimed at giving 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.360 the NYPD a big middle finger. All this takes place 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.520 in the shadows of a mysterious figure, of course, possibly 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.680 an urban legend or a spook story, as verbal says 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:43.760 Turkish crime lord and bona fide Mofo Kaiser SoSE, winner 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.919 of two Academy Awards for Spacey for Supporting Actor and 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.800 the Regional Screenplay Christopher macquarie. The Usual Suspects set the 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:55.920 bar high for twist based final scenes. Ben Hurley, be honest, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:57.520 are you, Kaiser Soso? 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:01.839 I could be. 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.880 I mean, look towards the end of the film, they 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.640 just kind of, you know, keep passing the kaisa. So 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.240 say along like it was at Benton in the Olympics. 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:20.040 Mate, thank you for joining me. It's great to see. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.240 It's been a while since we have been able to 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.120 spend any time together because of various borders and and 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:32.880 just schedules, I imagine. But tell me, why hadn't you 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:37.560 seen this movie? You are a film buff. We often 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.320 speak about movies when we get together. I'm surprised that 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:42.120 this one came. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.039 Up me too. 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.719 Actually, I don't really have a good answer for that, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:52.520 because it's very much in my genre of movies that 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:57.160 I love, you know, nineteen nineties, you know, fast talking, 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:02.240 dialogue driven, you know, with with with a twist. I 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.839 knew there was a twist. I didn't know what the 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.680 twist was. But yeah, the other ones you mentioned, like 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.600 your fight clubs and your your sixth sense, like, you know, 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.720 I love those, you know. I would argue that Twister 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:20.920 did have a twist because no one knew that Helen 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.400 Hunt had been hunted by a Twister. At the end 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:27.360 of that film, she says that it literally hunted her 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.920 and her family. So I didn't see that coming, did you. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.680 Well, no, I didn't see that coming. And I love 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:37.480 the fact they're playing on various levels Helen Hunt been hunted. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.000 Oh yeah, being the twist, I mean, that's just. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.360 There's that great moment at the end. 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.520 I think, I'm sure you know what I'm referring to 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.840 when when I say there's at the end where Helen 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:51.960 Hunt's a great actor, don't get me wrong, but she's 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.640 hysterical and she's The line is you've not seen it. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.960 Miss that's house, and miss that house. 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.840 And come after your and I went, wow, this is 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:02.760 a great film. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:09.080 I remember. There's two things I remember about Twister, and 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.880 I'm happy to cover Twister in this podcast. Somebody's raised Twister. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.400 I think I think an email that came through somebody 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.920 suggested Twister, and in this your reaction was, I'm not 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.200 sure if it's a classic, but you could argue you 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.520 could make the case in the genre of disaster films, 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.720 it has its place. The two things I remember of 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:36.760 Twister is the flying cow Flying Cow, and also I 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.839 know very much so that phil Seymour Hoffman was in 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.559 that film, because for a long time people would say 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.720 to me as much as say after say to you 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.320 Ben like Dave Grohl, to me, they would say, like, 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:54.760 you fat guy off Twister. So it it took until 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.439 he won the Academy Award for Capodi where people actually 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:02.000 knew his name, so as well. On Oscar's Night when 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.320 he won for Capardi, I was like, finally, I'm not 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.240 the fact guy on Twister anymore. I'm Oscar winn A. 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:08.440 Philip Seamore Hoffman. 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:11.760 Yeah, I mean, I think he's got three loans in 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.520 that movie, and and he's one of the greatest actors 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.840 of our generation. And he's got three loans and one 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.560 of them is a Star Wars quote. He says, that's 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.160 done a moon, that's a space station. So I mean, 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:26.200 if there's ever a waiter to waste an amazing actor, 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.160 it's Philip seymore Hoffman and twister. 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.680 He is incredible. Rest in peace, Philip Seymore Hoffman. So 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.920 did you know, lizaid? I don't want to know so 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:36.840 much of what you thought of the film, but I 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.439 mean you must have heard people talk about Kaiser so say, 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.160 and had you like that been it feels like it's 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:44.600 in the pop culture zeitgeist. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:50.240 Yeah, absolutely, I certainly had, but I didn't. I knew 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.720 that there was something to you know, I knew that name, 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:54.920 and I knew that there was a twist, but I 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.880 didn't put the two together. And if I'm honest with you, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.839 I've attempted to watch this film I'm about a dozen 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:02.920 times in my life and got about ten minutes in. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.640 So it took me getting some proper homework with an 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.280 actual deadline from a friend to do their podcast for 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.240 me to force through those first ten to fifteen minutes, 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.560 which are hard work. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.040 That's okay, Well, that's very interesting. We'll leave it there. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.199 We'll come back to that because that is that is 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:28.200 very interesting. I haven't heard that before. But let's let's 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:29.840 let's come back. Let's come back. I want to talk 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:33.840 about your three favorite films. Mystery Men, fantastic superhero parody 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:35.080 I guess yes, or satire. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:36.119 Yeah. Absolutely. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.200 I've not watched this an actual superhero film since Michael 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.959 Keaton was Batman. They don't do anything for me. That 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:49.880 the MCU, the d CU, that is that the alternative. 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.480 I'm not sure if it is other. Yeah, I think 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:57.880 it's just MCU and dc It should be DCU. Why 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:58.640 is it a DCU. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.920 I'm improving it already. Look, yeah, just they don't do 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:08.320 much for me. And I think because I saw a 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.400 mystery Men kind of before it all started. It's just 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.160 a fantastic parody. Yeah, Satire is definitely the word for it. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.480 Set in basically a kind of a Gotham city where 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.640 everybody wants to be a superhero and there is a 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:27.040 superhero played by Greg Kenea called Keptin Amazing, who is 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.280 too good at his job and has locked up all 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.640 the criminals. And because there's sort of rampant capitalism. He 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.400 is sponsored by a thousand different companies, and he's starting 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.600 to lose sponsors because no one's even looking at him anymore, 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.839 because there's really nobody to put away anymore. And then 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:52.480 there's a hampless band of try hard superheroes Jenine Garoffalo 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:59.480 Ben Still, William H. Macy, Paul Rubens. That's right, and 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:04.400 they you know they want they basically look back spoilers. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:05.520 Yeah, there's a spoiler here. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.920 Okay, they accidentally kill Captain Amazing and have to save 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.040 the city. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.280 Is Eddie's art in it as well? 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.720 Yeah? And I love Edie his arts. I'm sure you do. Pete. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:22.160 I'm not sure it's his greatest sort of role, but 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.120 he's definitely in it. He plays one of the Disco Boys, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:31.400 which is a bad gang of guys's and there's a 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.199 great moment actually in it where where he just gets 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.920 a gun out and all the other the mystery men 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.559 that the band of hapless guys, they're like, oh wow, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.280 a gun, that's not a power and he just shoots them, 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.400 like you have to have a power or some sort 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.600 of special skill. They hadn't really sort of put together 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.680 that firearms are quite powerful as well. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.720 It's funny with Eddie's because he was a massive influence 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.720 on me, and I've been able to, you know, meet 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:05.800 him quite a few times now, not to say we're friends, 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:07.720 but we're just like I've been able to, you know, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.880 I've dined in with him once after a show with 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.120 you know, other others around, and a couple of times 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.880 and been backstage. And he's a lovely guy and like 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:20.600 I said, a massive influence on me in the early days. 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.240 And maybe because I have such a connection with him 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.720 live and he's such a strong presence live, I do 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:34.200 have trouble putting that aside. When I see him in 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.079 the feature film. I'm not sure there's one where I've 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.960 completely lost myself in his performance like I have, you know, 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.600 with say Steve Coogan. 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.640 Yeah, I mean, I'm no actor, but I think he's 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.760 definitely got better at acting over the over the years. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.280 And this is definitely at the start of his acting 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.760 career when he yeah, kind of just come out of 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.160 stand up and I don't think he'd done a lot 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:56.880 of it at that point. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:57.440 Yeah. 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.040 Yeah, he's an absolute legend. None of the utheless hot 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:06.080 fuzz of because egger Wright Simon peg is to follow 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:10.040 up to Sean of the Dead, and yeah, there was 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:15.160 some expectations on this. Did you go with the expectations 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.680 that after loving Sean of the Dead or did you 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:18.480 come to this clean? 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.720 I can clean. This is the weird thing. I had 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.840 not seen Sean of the Dead. I'm not anti zombie 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.280 movie or horror movies, but they're just not something I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.520 gravitate towards. So I wasn't as aware of it. Went 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.720 to Hot Fuzz with my now wife, she wasn't my 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.760 girlfriend and Clapham when we lived in London years ago, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.840 and just on a whim, we're like, oh yeah, let's 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.800 give this a go, and just how from start to finish. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.880 I've seen a million different cop shows, as we all 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:54.040 have a million different cop movies, except for usual Suspects obviously, 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.160 But and it's just I think it's it's this has 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.440 a great twist. It's not at the end, it's it's 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.600 sort of you know, at the end of the third act. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:09.720 Probably it's it's just the word perfect comedy gets thrown 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.400 out around a lot. It's it's maybe not perfect, but 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:13.240 it's very close. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.080 Well, I always define a film, any film with his 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.680 comedy or anything else was did they did the director 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:26.400 achieve exactly what he or she or they were trying 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:27.280 to achieve it? 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:28.200 And I. 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:31.880 Probably haven't watched High Fives as much as you, but 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:36.720 my recollection was that absolutely Edgar Wright and that team 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.320 achieved everything they were trying to achieve. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.560 Yeah, definitely, I think that's that's very true. That IgA 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:49.200 write style of you know, really fast cuts and really 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.680 slept kind of you know, in your face movie making. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.240 He doesn't he doesn't shy away from you know, letting 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.280 you know that he's directing the film, which I'm totally 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.480 fine with. Very stylized in just loads and loads of 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:09.080 great eggs, you know, an excellent cast, a huge cast, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.600 ensemble cast, and I just. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:12.400 I just love it. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.480 It's so funny, including our very own Australia's very own 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:20.400 Cate Blanchette in a bit of a masquerade the performance. 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.400 She's one of the when they're I think they're dusting 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.760 for fingerprints or something and they're all wearing those heads 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.720 of toe kind of you know, kind of white ones, 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:35.680 that's right, the masks on it. Yeah, she's she's one 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:40.560 of those twelve monkeys. Terry Gilliam and I saw this 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.640 when it came out in the cinema and loved it. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.400 Brad Pitt, Bruce Willis, and I said. I was in 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.960 community radio at the time, Ben Hurley, and I said 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:57.320 to my co host James Brasher that, and I mentioned 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.160 this every time this kind of this movie comes up, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.600 or this era of Brad Pitt comes up. Specifically, after 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.400 seeing Twelve Monkeys, I said to him, Brad Pitt would 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.840 become one of the finest actors of our generation. And 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.800 he laughed and embarrassed me in front and tried to 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.600 humiliate me in front of our six or seven listeners. 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.000 And I. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:20.280 Have to bring it up now because I have more 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:24.440 than six and seven listeners now, and I want him 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.400 to know that I was right, and also everyone else 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:28.960 to know that I back Brady Early. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.560 Yeah, he's great as the and it's a kind of theatrical, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.359 over the top performance, and it's fine because the whole 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.320 film is theatrical and over the top, kind of got 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:45.040 the acting rock of Bruce Willis. He's kind of the 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.439 one who was an en Medlin Stowe who's fantastic in 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.160 that film as well. I think I'm the same as you. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.919 You're Mes simmer Age Peter and I saw this at 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.240 the movies and I was probably in my late teens, 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:02.439 and I understood it, and that may be feel pretty 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:07.359 special because loads of people, I think, everyone, what the 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:08.240 hell was that about? 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:18.240 It's it's something that only occurring to me recently that 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.520 and I've spoken about it again on this podcast before 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.560 is post the Punstrung Love episode with with my good 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.679 friend Hamies McDonald, who and Hamish didn't quite connect with 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:29.840 that film as much as I do. I think it's 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.040 a it's a perfect film under the criteria that I 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.840 gave before, But there's something very special. Sometimes. I think 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.920 we grow up trying to get people to like all 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.639 the same things we do. Like you become ambassador for 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.359 your the music and the movies that you listen to 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.119 and watch, so you want other people to experience it 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.800 like you do. But this if everybody was experienced it 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.000 the way you do, have the same feeling, it takes 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.520 away the specialness. So sometimes you have to just protect 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.439 that specialness and be okay about other people not liking 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:05.200 or getting what you got. And I can imagine you 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.360 coming out of Twelve Monkeys feeling pretty toughed that you 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.680 saw what Terry Gilliam was trying to achieve. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:12.280 Yeah. 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.240 Absolutely, And I think someone had shown me Brazil, which 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:21.160 is this kind of first big film, and I didn't 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.719 quite get it. But I knew it was good, if 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:29.080 that makes any sense, But I didn't quite understand at all. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.080 And then and then Twelve Monkeys came out, which is 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:37.080 more of a Hollywood film and definitely more accessible, even 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.800 though it's quite challenging and it's great. It's like, I 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.120 love Back to the Future, but this is like back 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:48.240 to the Future for grown ups. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.600 That's a decent way of putting it. I mean, I 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.479 would argue that back to the Future is for all ages, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.439 Ben Hurley, and but I do know what you mean. 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:00.520 It's you know, there is a mental asylum, you know, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.600 a factor going on. So yeah, it's it's it's I 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.920 haven't watched it for a long time, which surprises me. Actually, 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.000 in fact, I reckon I maybe only have seen it twice, 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.320 but I remember loving it. When I gotta watch it again. 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.800 Actually I'm running it down. It's on my list to 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:21.160 watch again. Steri Gillian, Twelve Monkeys, Brad Pitt, brids Reelis 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.720 Medal and Stow. All right, let's talk about the film 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.160 we are here to talk about. I am excited about 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.520 this because I saw this in the cinema and I 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.840 was blown away. And this is not to try to 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:36.000 you know sway. You know you already would have made 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.080 up your mind and you have some thoughts. Always mentioned 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:40.960 on this podcast, we're talking to somebody who has just 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.400 seen a classic film for the first time within usually 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.120 the last twenty four hours. There's probably still some processing 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.680 going on, but I was blown away and this would 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.240 be very high up in my all time favorite films. 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:56.720 We should point out before we get into it a 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.960 little the issue that we had. We were discussing doing 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:05.600 this film in all sincerity and seriousness, there is some 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.360 problems with some of the people, some of the creatives 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:17.760 in this There's been multiple allegations against Kevin Spacey and 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:23.720 also the director Brian Singer. So we had a quick 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:27.960 to and fro about whether we should you know, where 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:31.639 we lie as far as separating art from artists and 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:36.840 and you know, canceling our movies. We're obviously we are proceeding, 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.639 but we should acknowledge we know that there are problems, 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:45.200 because there will be you know, potentially praise for both 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:50.080 those people from a craft and art point of view, 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.560 but we certainly don't condone any of the other actions. 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.800 I believe it's a Weinstein produced film, so it's a 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:01.840 real trifector of monsters involved in this one as well. 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:06.679 So I just thought we say that, yeah, it has 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:10.560 problemtic But the way I would like to think of 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.480 it is there's there's loads of other people involved with 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:17.359 the film who are, for all that we know, good people. 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:21.320 So they shouldn't I guess, miss out having their their 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:26.560 work looked at and critiqued because you know, three people 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:31.320 were incredibly bad people potentially, but definitely. 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.560 Yes, yeah, I think that's absolutely right to be honest, 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.080 I think it's the right way looking at it. You 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:39.720 can't hundreds of people go in, you know, like work. 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.359 We know how hard films are to make, and the 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.679 amount of work that does, the blood, sweat and tears, 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.520 the time away from families, the creative energies, the sacrifice 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:52.240 that go into making films from hundreds, literally hundreds of people, 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:57.520 not just the actors, the set designers, the art department, costume, 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.800 all those people who you know, script out of this 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:06.400 hoses And I think if you were to delete various 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.479 movies from history because of the actions of you know, 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:15.240 a few seemingly really rotten apples. Then then we don't 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:19.359 get to enjoy Christopher mcquarie's brilliant scripts and Bontia A 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.199 Del Toro's you know, and Chas Pedliman series, you know, 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:26.560 wonderful performance. And I think we need to be able 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:28.800 to separate some of these art from the artists sometimes 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:32.640 and celebrate movies because otherwise there's a lot of good 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:34.440 bloody movies. And where do you draw the line as 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:39.520 far as do you you know, is what crime level is? 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.760 Is if we found that? And what where's the hierarchy 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:44.399 as far as the film being made gets in the 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:48.800